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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bob Dog" |
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30 Jan 2005 08:25:11 AM |
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They said disease would follow the tsunami... |
Here are a few news links currently available on how disgusting
xians truly are, preying on victims at the time they need help.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-
8&q=christians+proselytizing+tsunami&btnG=Search+News
Some of the titles are listed below, followed by this editorial:
http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2005/01/24/62879
On xianity, he says:
"[...cretinous, Bronze Age desert morality of the most
genocidal book ever written...]".
I like the guy already.
Bob Dog
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Is the US thumping the Bible?
Axis of Logic, MA - Jan 28, 2005
.... than humanitarian aide to victims of the tsunami. ...
Proselytizing, especially during such times of need, will not only
backfire against the Christians from Sri ...
Tempering evangelism: Tsunami missionaries should put aid first
Fort Wayne News Sentinel, IN - Jan 26, 2005
.... Church, which sent a relief team into tsunami-stricken Sri ...
have outraged Sri Lankan Christians and non-Christians by
aggressively proselytizing among the ...
Mixing of Humanitarian Aid, Evangelism Continues to Stir ...
Christian Post, CA - Jan 27, 2005
.... which sent a relief team into tsunami-stricken Sri ... that
the such attempts at proselytizing could provoke a violent backlash
against Christians in the ...
Critics say some Christians spread aid and Gospel
Chicago Tribune (subscription), IL - Jan 22, 2005
.... 26 tsunami killed more than 157,000 people and left millions
homeless, relief groups have ... Most shun proselytizing and make
little reference to what they believe ...
In tsunami area, anger at evangelists
International Herald Tribune, France - Jan 23, 2005
.... Christian leaders say proselytizing could reverse the grass-
roots interfaith cooperation that has emerged since the tsunami and
endanger Christians, who make ...
Sri Lankans complain of Texas Christians
Washington Times, DC - Jan 22, 2005
.... of a fundamentalist Christian group from Texas are raising
hackles in tsunami-ravaged Sri ... an evangelical church based in
Waco, has been proselytizing in the ...
Islam Online
British Muslims Counter Tsunami Proselytizing
Islam Online, UK - Jan 14, 2005
.... Virginia-based WorldHelp has raised money among evangelical
Christians by presenting ... government had refused permission to
move 300 tsunami orphans from ...
Fulton County funds continue to arrive at local Red Cross office
Canton Daily Ledger, IL - Jan 22, 2005
.... The tsunami disaster, however, has given a high-profile ...
response to any Christian visitor accused of proselytizing. ... As
Christians, we are called to help others ...
Religion Today Summaries - January 25, 2005
Crosswalk.com - Jan 24, 2005
.... Church in Waco have been proselytizing in the ... of 12
countries in southern Asia devastated by the tsunami. ... provoke
a violent backlash against Christians in Sri ...
Missionary Group Abandons Plan to Raise Muslim Tsunami Orphans
CharismaNews.com - Jan 17, 2005
.... its plans to place 300 Muslim tsunami orphans in ... children's
home after it triggered proselytizing concerns. ... it was working
with Indonesian Christians who want ...
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The time is now to lose your faith
How can one believe in an omniscient, omnipotent and
omnibenevolent deity in the face of unimaginable destruction
and loss such as December’s tsunami?
Whenever I’m feeling lazy or uninspired and I have to write a
column, it’s always a struggle to resist the temptation to attack
intellectual "soft targets." And, of course, there is no softer
target than the religious right.
After all, criticizing a worldview centered on the cretinous,
Bronze Age desert morality of the most genocidal book ever
written is like bumper bowling for the mind. Picking on premodern
creatures such as Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and James Dobson
is fun but not very challenging, because they’re constantly
outdumbing themselves.
Last week, Dobson got himself in a tizzy because the cartoon
character SpongeBob SquarePants appears in a video for young
children that dares to suggest that gay people possess some sort
of inherent human dignity.
On Saturday, The New York Times ran an article about evangelical
Christian groups proselytizing while they distributed aid to
victims of last month’s tsunami in Asia. Not only is this a
flagrant violation of standards established by the Red Cross, but
it has dismayed the native Christians who fear reprisals from
offended Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists.
Look, there I go again ... No, I’ve got to cast my net a little
wider - not just toward the Christian right, but against anyone
who believes in God at all.
With the death toll from the recent tsunami increasing daily,
almost certain to climb past 250,000, there has never been a better
time for people who believe in God to re- examine their faith in the
Almighty. Nor has there been a better time for us nonbelievers to
do a little evangelizing on our own and effectively deploy one of the
best weapons in our vast intellectual arsenal: the Argument from
Natural Evil.
The Argument from Natural Evil goes like this: For any superior
being to be worthy of worship by humankind - a "basic deity" -
it must have at least three attributes. God must be smart, he must
be powerful and he must be good, or he is not God.
Keep in mind that this is a pretty low threshold. Most believers
claim to have a "three o’s deity": A God who is omniscient,
omnipotent and omnibenevolent. This, of course, only makes the
Argument from Natural Evil more powerful. The more concerned your
deity is with day-to-day world affairs, the more answering he has
to do from the Argument from Natural Evil.
Having established the minimal criteria for a being to be worthy
of humankind’s worship, we turn to whether a smart, powerful, good
being would allow the natural world - with its horrific tsunamis,
earthquakes, mudslides, volcano eruptions, etc. - to work in the
way it does.
Take the tsunami for instance. There is no doubt that much of the
suffering we’ve seen on television could have been avoided under
a radically different political and economic system. (Perversely,
despite the tsunami’s nearly incomprehensible devastation, world
stock markets have hardly taken a notice: Aceh’s oil and gas
fields remain intact and because few of the victims could afford
insurance of any kind, insurance companies are resting easy.)
Nevertheless, the immediate cause of the tsunami disaster was
natural; it was totally out of human hands. Would a smart,
powerful and good being have allowed the tsunami to happen in the
way that it did? The answer, which has to be admitted by anyone
with a shred of honesty, is "no."
A smart being would have known beforehand that, unless something
was done, a tsunami was going to occur Dec. 26 and kill hundreds
of thousands of people (including blameless infants and children)
and lay waste to a huge swath of the Earth.
A powerful being would have been able to prevent the disaster
somehow. Perhaps the being is so powerful that it could simply
will the earthquake that produced the tsunami never to have
happened - but even if he wasn’t terribly powerful, couldn’t he
have at least warned the world ahead of time about this disaster?
A good being would have wanted to prevent, or at least alleviate,
the disaster. It would abhor needless suffering. Even if this
being had some mysterious, inscrutable "plan," surely it would
have chosen a more constructive way to accomplish it.
In light of the Argument from Natural Evil, the only conclusion
we can come to is that, in the extremely unlikely event that a
supernatural being of any kind exists, it lacks one or two of
the qualities a basic deity has to have. Even if there is a
superior being of some kind, events like the tsunami demonstrate
that it has to be either not smart, not powerful or not good.
There might be, for example, a supernatural being that is both
smart and powerful but not good: Something like the wrathful,
genocidal war criminal Yahweh of the Old Testament - who ordered
the massacre of the Canaanites, Midianites, the people of Jericho
and many others. That might be the kind of God the folks at Focus
on the Family are into, but not for most people.
Likewise, there might be a supernatural being who is smart and
good but impotent: A being that knew about the tsunami and wanted
to do something about it but was powerless to intervene in a
meaningful way. But what’s the point of worshiping a weak
supernatural being?
And so on ... The point is that, if you think of yourself as a
thoughtful but faithful person, and you believe that your deity is
basically pretty decent, you have a very serious problem on your
hands. The Argument from Natural Evil ought to be eroding and
testing your faith.
You may count yourself among the faithless and you think, as I do,
that religion of any kind is a social malady that ought to be
eradicated, like racism. In that case, the weeks and months after
the tsunami - when all of this horrific news footage is fresh in
the world’s collective consciousness - are the perfect time to
swell our ranks by invoking the Argument from Natural Evil.
Nick Woomer welcomes comments at nwoomer@mndaily.com.
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: They said disease would follow the tsunami... |
30 Jan 2005 03:18:40 PM |
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(Bob Dog) wrote in
news:Xns95EE822E7F71Cbg12345apexmailcom@203.233.108.173:
http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2005/01/24/62879
On xianity, he says:
"[...cretinous, Bronze Age desert morality of the most
genocidal book ever written...]".
I like the guy already.
Bob Dog
I like him as well for he is stating the truth. Finding the truth these days
is getting harder due to everyone being afraid to "offend" others.
rj
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Feb 2005 03:33:39 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:18:40 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:
bg12345@apexmail.com (Bob Dog) wrote in
news:Xns95EE822E7F71Cbg12345apexmailcom@203.233.108.173:
http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2005/01/24/62879
On xianity, he says:
"[...cretinous, Bronze Age desert morality of the most
genocidal book ever written...]".
I like the guy already.
Bob Dog
I like him as well for he is stating the truth. Finding the truth these days
is getting harder due to everyone being afraid to "offend" others.
*****'em.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: They said disease would follow the tsunami... |
30 Jan 2005 03:13:05 PM |
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(Bob Dog) wrote in
news:Xns95EE822E7F71Cbg12345apexmailcom@203.233.108.173:
Here are a few news links currently available on how disgusting
xians truly are, preying on victims at the time they need help.
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying simple pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one would
expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now imagine this same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted ***** with a
desire to prolong excruciating pain. What the hell was wrong with her? More
importantly, what was wrong with those in authority over her? Even those in
a position of authority saw this happening and did nothing to stop it.
Xtians...what hypocricy! What cruelty! I would not treat an insect like
that let alone an animal and yet she did it to a human.
rj
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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31 Jan 2005 06:56:52 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying simple pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one would
expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now imagine this same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted ***** with a
desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Randy Story" |
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31 Jan 2005 06:30:05 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one would
expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted ***** with a
desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage. Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and
intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the reality
of God.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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31 Jan 2005 06:53:17 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:10vsuctdjf9t56d@corp.supernews.com:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now
imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted *****
with a desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that
the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism is the lack of human concern and without any standard for
such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet
it is more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no
ultimate standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at
the head as all sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world
filled with the reality of God.
Lies from the beginning to the end. Why do you lie about us to our
faces? Do you think that will make us more willing to convert to your
lying creed?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "Sam" |
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31 Jan 2005 08:50:16 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:10vsuctdjf9t56d@corp.supernews.com:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now
imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted *****
with a desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that
the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism is the lack of human concern and without any standard for
such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet
it is more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no
ultimate standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at
the head as all sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world
filled with the reality of God.
Lies from the beginning to the end. Why do you lie about us to our
faces? Do you think that will make us more willing to convert to your
lying creed?
maybe he's a taoist recruiter
--
Sam
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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01 Feb 2005 01:45:11 AM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:10vsuctdjf9t56d@corp.supernews.com:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now
imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted *****
with a desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that
the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism is the lack of human concern and without any standard for
such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet
it is more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no
ultimate standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at
the head as all sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world
filled with the reality of God.
You're an idiot, son.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: They said disease would follow the tsunami... |
02 Feb 2005 03:33:04 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:45:11 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:10vsuctdjf9t56d@corp.supernews.com:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now
imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted *****
with a desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that
the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism is the lack of human concern and without any standard for
such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet
it is more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no
ultimate standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at
the head as all sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world
filled with the reality of God.
You're an idiot, son.
The ***** weed isn't that advanced.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: They said disease would follow the tsunami... |
02 Feb 2005 04:34:51 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:2fi001tbsfu8u32q5j3ai0ogu35a1c791j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:45:11 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:10vsuctdjf9t56d@corp.supernews.com:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now
imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted *****
with a desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that
the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism is the lack of human concern and without any standard for
such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet
it is more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no
ultimate standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at
the head as all sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world
filled with the reality of God.
You're an idiot, son.
The ***** weed isn't that advanced.
I sit corrected; I shoulda said "You're an aspiring idiot, son."
I'll go without my customary evening Sunkist for my lapse ;)
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: They said disease would follow the tsunami... |
02 Feb 2005 08:24:46 PM |
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:34:51 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:2fi001tbsfu8u32q5j3ai0ogu35a1c791j@4ax.com:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:45:11 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:10vsuctdjf9t56d@corp.supernews.com:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now
imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted *****
with a desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that
the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism is the lack of human concern and without any standard for
such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet
it is more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no
ultimate standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at
the head as all sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world
filled with the reality of God.
You're an idiot, son.
The ***** weed isn't that advanced.
I sit corrected; I shoulda said "You're an aspiring idiot, son."
I'll go without my customary evening Sunkist for my lapse ;)
For two evenings!
(I'm such a hard *****).... :)))
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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stoney wrote:
< snip >
(I'm such a hard *****).... :)))
Mmmm. Hard *****....
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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04 Feb 2005 09:15:19 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:36:29 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
< snip >
(I'm such a hard *****).... :)))
Mmmm. Hard *****....
Uh-oh......
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:36:29 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
< snip >
(I'm such a hard *****).... :)))
Mmmm. Hard *****....
Uh-oh......
D'oh! Wow, you can bounce a quarter offa that puppy! :)
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Resident Witchypoo
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:21:46 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:36:29 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
< snip >
(I'm such a hard *****).... :)))
Mmmm. Hard *****....
Uh-oh......
D'oh! Wow, you can bounce a quarter offa that puppy! :)
(chuckling)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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In a message sent 'round the world, Randy Story poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
....
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage. Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and
intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the reality
of God.
< chuckle! >
It's time to get a life, Randy.
< chuckle! >
Regards,
Josef
They deem him their worst enemy who tells them the truth.
-- Plato
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01 Feb 2005 01:21:52 AM |
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"Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c689846e5078059899ce@206.172.150.13...
In a message sent 'round the world, Randy Story poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
...
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and
intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it
is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as
all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the
reality
of God.
< chuckle! >
It's time to get a life, Randy.
< chuckle! >
Regards,
Josef
Josef, I was responding to Al Klein's quote at the bottom of all his posts.
LOL
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01 Feb 2005 01:49:22 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Randy Story poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
....
< chuckle! >
It's time to get a life, Randy.
< chuckle! >
....
Josef, I was responding to Al Klein's quote at the bottom of all his posts.
LOL
So what?
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01 Feb 2005 08:39:39 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:21:52 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> said in alt.atheism:
Josef, I was responding to Al Klein's quote at the bottom of all his posts.
You have no better 'argument' than to 'respond to' a
randomly-generated sig?
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"Creationists are the best evidence we have that there is no intelligent design."
-Josef Balluch
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01 Feb 2005 10:13:02 PM |
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Randy Story wrote:
< snip >
Josef, I was responding to Al Klein's quote at the bottom of all his posts.
Then learn how to trim, dumbass.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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02 Feb 2005 03:32:33 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:32:58 -0500, Josef Balluch
<josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote:
In a message sent 'round the world, Randy Story poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage. Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and
intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the reality
of God.
< chuckle! >
It's time to get a life, Randy.
< chuckle! >
Ain't no way in hell the butt muncher's got the gonads to.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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01 Feb 2005 01:34:32 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:30:05 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> said in alt.atheism:
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage. Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the reality
of God.
Atheism is merely lacking belief in one more god than you lack belief
in. Does your lack of belief in Zeus cause you to have any of the
traits you list? No? Then why should lack of belief in Yahweh cause
any of them?
--
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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01 Feb 2005 10:14:39 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:30:05 -0800, "Randy Story"
<rstorynw@olypen.com> said in alt.atheism:
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage. Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the reality
of God.
Atheism is merely lacking belief in one more god than you lack belief
in. Does your lack of belief in Zeus cause you to have any of the
traits you list? No? Then why should lack of belief in Yahweh cause
any of them?
Because *Randy's* god is *real*. <rolls eyes>
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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02 Feb 2005 12:28:40 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:14:39 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
Atheism is merely lacking belief in one more god than you lack belief
in. Does your lack of belief in Zeus cause you to have any of the
traits you list? No? Then why should lack of belief in Yahweh cause
any of them?
Because *Randy's* god is *real*. <rolls eyes>
Real absent. Real nonexistent. Real subjective.
--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise
as false, and by the rulers as useful."
- Seneca the Younger
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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01 Feb 2005 10:03:37 PM |
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Randy Story wrote:
< snip >
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage. Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such,
Blah blah blah. Even if any of this were true, it has nothing to do
with the topic under discussion.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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31 Jan 2005 08:49:51 PM |
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Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one would
expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted ***** with a
desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage. Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and
intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the reality
of God.
you god types really think we atheists are just wanton creatures of
evil, dont you? cant imagine us being good people, raising good kids,
obeying the law and being nice to people? and self-deification? i
guess some folks just dont grok...
--
Sam
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31 Jan 2005 09:44:58 PM |
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"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:PRwLd.9556$8Z1.7472@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would
expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now imagine this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted ***** with
a
desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism
is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and
intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend. Yet it
is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no ultimate
standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at the head as
all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the
reality
of God.
you god types really think we atheists are just wanton creatures of
evil, dont you? cant imagine us being good people, raising good kids,
obeying the law and being nice to people? and self-deification? i
guess some folks just dont grok...
--
Sam
Not at all Sam. but think of it, even if you do good and I suspect most do,
it is only an acknowledgement of your own so called goodness. Just think if
there is an ultimately good God that we only get to participate in its
goodness. To claim our own acts as from our own goodness would be the worst
of all offenses. It would like receiving a million dollars as a gift from
someone and then saying that somehow you earned it. To not acknowledge the
giver is pride manifest.
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31 Jan 2005 11:01:58 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:10vt9qaqmhq3n84@corp.supernews.com:
"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:PRwLd.9556$8Z1.7472@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Randy Story wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:jklrv0h3vgfahbbtvnkj198hahf33cnfb8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:05 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Mother Theresa was bad enough, thanks. Imagine denying the dying
simple
pain
meds such as aspirin let alone cheap heavy duty pain meds that one
would
expect to be administered to those dying of cancer. Now imagine
this
same
person stating "It is good to suffer". What a cold hearted *****
with
a
desire to prolong excruciating pain.
Yet she never turned down the most sophisticated hospital care for
herself.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism
is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious
mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism
is not
an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is
not,
and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
To Al.
Atheism is the world of illusion, it is irrational, it is bondage.
Atheism
is the lack of human concern and without any standard for such, and
intellectual
dishonesty to a degree that the theistic mind can not comprehend.
Yet it
is
more. it is a religion of self deification & arrogance with no
ultimate standard for judgement. It is an old religion with self at
the head as
all
sin is shown to be. Atheism is insanity in a world filled with the
reality
of God.
you god types really think we atheists are just wanton creatures of
evil, dont you? cant imagine us being good people, raising good
kids, obeying the law and being nice to people? and
self-deification? i guess some folks just dont grok...
--
Sam
Not at all Sam. but think of it, even if you do good and I suspect
most do, it is only an acknowledgement of your own so called goodness.
Just think if there is an ultimately good God that we only get to
participate in its goodness.
Thus eliminating human motivation from any action. From that basis,
anything any person does is "participating in God's goodness" even if it
involves what we mere humans think is ultimate evil.
To claim our own acts as from our own
goodness would be the worst of all offenses. It would like receiving a
million dollars as a gift from someone and then saying that somehow
you earned it. To not acknowledge the giver is pride manifest.
Our own actions and motivations are not a "gift" from anywhere. We *did*
earn them, *all* of them.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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01 Feb 2005 01:18:34 AM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Randy Story poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
....
Not at all Sam. but think of it, even if you do good and I suspect most do,
it is only an acknowledgement of your own so called goodness. Just think if
there is an ultimately good God that we only get to participate in its
goodness. To claim our own acts as from our own goodness would be the worst
of all offenses. It would like receiving a million dollars as a gift from
someone and then saying that somehow you earned it. To not acknowledge the
giver is pride manifest.
Nonsense, Randy. Your "perfect" deity cannot have any needs or wants,
for there is nothing that is lacking in a perfect existence. There is no
way to improve upon your deity's perfect existence, so nothing that we
could do would be of any significance.
Regards,
Josef
The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.
-- James A. Garfield
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01 Feb 2005 02:54:22 AM |
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Randy Story poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
...
Not at all Sam. but think of it, even if you do good and I suspect most do,
it is only an acknowledgement of your own so called goodness. Just think if
there is an ultimately good God that we only get to participate in its
goodness. To claim our own acts as from our own goodness would be the worst
of all offenses. It would like receiving a million dollars as a gift from
someone and then saying that somehow you earned it. To not acknowledge the
giver is pride manifest.
notice how he calmly used my name? if he was here he'd try to hug me or
touch my shoulder lightly to 'pray for me'. i had some dude at a
coffeeshop ask me if he could pray for me, i said sure, assuming he'd be
doing it elsewhere. i was wrong he grabbed my shoulder and proceeded to
have a tete a tete with his lord until i finally told him i had to
finish setting up the amp or i wouldnt get paid. very creepy...wait!
<whisper> i think hes outside...
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Sam
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