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02 Feb 2005 09:48:44 PM |
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http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced
individual enhancement. While it includes physical modifications
(diamondoid teeth, self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube bones,
lipid metabolizers, polymer muscles), most of the interest in the
technology focuses on the integration of brains and computers容specially
brains and networks. Sample transhumanist apps could include cell phone
implants (which would allow virtual telepathy), memory backups and
augmenters, thought recorders, reflex accelerators, collaborative
consciousness (whiteboarding in the brain), and a very long list of
thought-controlled actuators. Ultimately, the technology could extend to
the uploading and downloading of entire minds in and out of host bodies,
providing a self-consciousness that, theoretically, would have no
definitive nor necessary end. That is, immortality, of a sort.
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Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a God-less
bio-machine...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally
programmed to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by
their God-less programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
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| User: "Ike" |
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03 Feb 2005 12:43:24 AM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:42014ABC.8090003@ak.net...
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced
individual enhancement. While it includes physical modifications
(diamondoid teeth, self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube bones,
lipid metabolizers, polymer muscles), most of the interest in the
technology focuses on the integration of brains and computers容specially
brains and networks. Sample transhumanist apps could include cell phone
implants (which would allow virtual telepathy), memory backups and
augmenters, thought recorders, reflex accelerators, collaborative
consciousness (whiteboarding in the brain), and a very long list of
thought-controlled actuators. Ultimately, the technology could extend to
the uploading and downloading of entire minds in and out of host bodies,
providing a self-consciousness that, theoretically, would have no
definitive nor necessary end. That is, immortality, of a sort.
===
Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a God-less
bio-machine...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally
programmed to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by
their God-less programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
Who do you know in their right mind, much less reading this garbage?
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| User: "Scratch" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:07:01 AM |
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Ike wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:42014ABC.8090003@ak.net...
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced
individual enhancement. While it includes physical modifications
(diamondoid teeth, self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube bones,
lipid metabolizers, polymer muscles), most of the interest in the
technology focuses on the integration of brains and computers容specially
brains and networks. Sample transhumanist apps could include cell phone
implants (which would allow virtual telepathy), memory backups and
augmenters, thought recorders, reflex accelerators, collaborative
consciousness (whiteboarding in the brain), and a very long list of
thought-controlled actuators. Ultimately, the technology could extend to
the uploading and downloading of entire minds in and out of host bodies,
providing a self-consciousness that, theoretically, would have no
definitive nor necessary end. That is, immortality, of a sort.
===
Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a God-less
bio-machine...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally
programmed to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by
their God-less programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
Who do you know in their right mind, much less reading this garbage?
You :)
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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03 Feb 2005 05:51:57 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:42014ABC.8090003@ak.net...
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced individual
enhancement. While it includes physical modifications (diamondoid teeth,
self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube bones, lipid metabolizers,
polymer muscles), most of the interest in the technology focuses on the
integration of brains and computers容specially brains and networks. Sample
transhumanist apps could include cell phone implants (which would allow
virtual telepathy), memory backups and augmenters, thought recorders,
reflex accelerators, collaborative consciousness (whiteboarding in the
brain), and a very long list of thought-controlled actuators. Ultimately,
the technology could extend to the uploading and downloading of entire
minds in and out of host bodies, providing a self-consciousness that,
theoretically, would have no definitive nor necessary end. That is,
immortality, of a sort.
===
Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a God-less
bio-machine...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally programmed
to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by their God-less
programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
Who would willingly terminate life if technology produced a way to eliminate
death? Who would willingly terminate their life and demand it continue in
terminated mode if technology was able to resurrect everyone? If the
subjective experience we have is just a particular sequence of material
events why terminate or extend it?
If the brain is a product of evolution and human
behavior - like the deepest capacities for emotional
response which drive and guide it -
is the circuitous technique
by which human genetic
material has been and will
be kept intact
and morality has no other demonstrable ultimate
function, what is the difference if we teach
ourselves to live for a few billion years mo?
Is your particular subjective experience just a duplicatable "sequence of
events?"
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| User: "John Jones" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:33:05 PM |
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What has evolution got to do with this?
Nothing.
You think that the human is a human that lives forever and has clones?
Can you see reasons against thinking this?
JJ
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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04 Feb 2005 06:42:09 PM |
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"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1107459185.234676.174730@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
What has evolution got to do with this?
Organisms & Technology evolve, in the sense that evolution is a verb, a
predicate.
Nothing.
You think that the human is a human that lives forever and has clones?
Can you see reasons against thinking this?
JJ
No, that I exist and was possible is proof enough for me that I am and
continue to be a possibility.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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02 Feb 2005 10:53:12 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:42014ABC.8090003@ak.net...
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced individual
enhancement. While it includes physical modifications (diamondoid teeth,
self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube bones, lipid metabolizers,
polymer muscles), most of the interest in the technology focuses on the
integration of brains and computers容specially brains and networks. Sample
transhumanist apps could include cell phone implants (which would allow
virtual telepathy), memory backups and augmenters, thought recorders,
reflex accelerators, collaborative consciousness (whiteboarding in the
brain), and a very long list of thought-controlled actuators. Ultimately,
the technology could extend to the uploading and downloading of entire
minds in and out of host bodies, providing a self-consciousness that,
theoretically, would have no definitive nor necessary end. That is,
immortality, of a sort.
Yeah!
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Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a God-less
bio-machine
OH, OH, OH! (Waves hand wildly in the air.)
...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
MORE than human, if you please!
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally programmed
to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by their God-less
programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
OH, OH, OH!!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Feb 2005 11:01:57 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:-JmdnaVngI3Hx5zfRVn-jQ@io.com...
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:42014ABC.8090003@ak.net...
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced individual
enhancement. While it includes physical modifications (diamondoid teeth,
self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube bones, lipid metabolizers,
polymer muscles), most of the interest in the technology focuses on the
integration of brains and computers-especially brains and networks.
Sample transhumanist apps could include cell phone implants (which would
allow virtual telepathy), memory backups and augmenters, thought
recorders, reflex accelerators, collaborative consciousness
(whiteboarding in the brain), and a very long list of thought-controlled
actuators. Ultimately, the technology could extend to the uploading and
downloading of entire minds in and out of host bodies, providing a
self-consciousness that, theoretically, would have no definitive nor
necessary end. That is, immortality, of a sort.
Yeah!
===
Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a God-less
bio-machine
OH, OH, OH! (Waves hand wildly in the air.)
...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
MORE than human, if you please!
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally
programmed to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by their
God-less programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
OH, OH, OH!!
Horseshack? Is that you?!?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "alephnull" |
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02 Feb 2005 11:11:24 PM |
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Is it theroiticaly possible to agument someone to the degree that they
lose whatever makes them human? I guess this is an odd question but ive
alaways considered free conciuos thought to be the most "human" of
human qualties. extensive technologicial augmenation of the human body
would possibly mean an end to people who exist in a brain dead comotose
state or would it? what happens when you have to change the batteries
say could why become so intertwined with technology that we lose your
abality to be humans without it? but yea that sounds realy cool id be
all for getting the internet beemed into my visuial cortex
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| User: "Ike" |
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03 Feb 2005 12:43:23 AM |
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"alephnull" <Phiberoptikii@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1107385884.359468.172450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Is it theroiticaly possible to agument someone to the degree that they
lose whatever makes them human? I guess this is an odd question but ive
alaways considered free conciuos thought to be the most "human" of
human qualties. extensive technologicial augmenation of the human body
would possibly mean an end to people who exist in a brain dead comotose
state or would it? what happens when you have to change the batteries
say could why become so intertwined with technology that we lose your
abality to be humans without it? but yea that sounds realy cool id be
all for getting the internet beemed into my visuial cortex
If you didn't pay yourt ISP bill would you be declared brain-dead?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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03 Feb 2005 01:17:32 AM |
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"alephnull" <Phiberoptikii@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1107385884.359468.172450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Is it theroiticaly possible to agument someone to the degree that they
lose whatever makes them human?
Sure! So what? That's not necessarily a bad thing.
I guess this is an odd question but ive
alaways considered free conciuos thought to be the most "human" of
human qualties.
Granted. No reason to lose that quality, unless there's something better.
extensive technologicial augmenation of the human body
would possibly mean an end to people who exist in a brain dead comotose
state or would it?
Don't see any reason why not. People could be the people they want to be.
what happens when you have to change the batteries
say could why become so intertwined with technology that we lose your
abality to be humans without it?
You want to design a robust infrastructure, that's for sure. But keep in
mind that "being human" is simply what the mindless trial and error
processes of evolution provided us with. It's no more special than a cheeta
"being cheetalike".
but yea that sounds realy cool id be
all for getting the internet beemed into my visuial cortex
Where's my perfect robot body? I want my perfect robot body!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "John Jones" |
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03 Feb 2005 11:44:11 AM |
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Most science idiots have so little experience of life they are unable
to see the consequences of cloning, immortality.. they try to make
themselves happy because they are sad.
Science idiots values are based on the lottery ticket, bad bedroom
habits, fun, Tom and Jerry, and more of, just more of. So your post
gets my support.
JJ
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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03 Feb 2005 02:17:23 PM |
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John Jones wrote:
< snip >
they try to make
themselves happy because they are sad.
What a terrible thing to do!
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "John Jones" |
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02 Feb 2005 10:01:51 PM |
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Not for me mate. If people are afraid or closeted they will go for it.
jJ
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Feb 2005 01:28:11 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:48:44 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Beats the hell out of being a drooling dingleberry like you.
(snip drivel)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "wcb" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:23:11 AM |
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david wrote:
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced
individual enhancement. While it includes physical modifications
(diamondoid teeth, self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube bones,
lipid metabolizers, polymer muscles), most of the interest in the
technology focuses on the integration of brains and computers?especially
brains and networks. Sample transhumanist apps could include cell phone
implants (which would allow virtual telepathy), memory backups and
augmenters, thought recorders, reflex accelerators, collaborative
consciousness (whiteboarding in the brain), and a very long list of
thought-controlled actuators. Ultimately, the technology could extend to
the uploading and downloading of entire minds in and out of host bodies,
providing a self-consciousness that, theoretically, would have no
definitive nor necessary end. That is, immortality, of a sort.
===
Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a God-less
bio-machine...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally
programmed to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by
their God-less programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
Who in their right mind would rely on an ancient and disproven myth for
anything except willful ignorance? There is no god, get over it.
If our deeply stupid ancestors had not wasted time with stupid religion, we
may today be enjoying scientifically achieved immortality.
Instead, we have armies of a[poid xians destroying science.
Science will eventually make mankind superhuman, not less than human
as your amazingly ignorant fear and hate filled rhetoric suggests.
A world where all men and women are healthy, superbly intelligent,
talented, beautiful, and ageless.
You are insane to suggest we throw that away in name of an evil god as
depicted in deeply stupid bronze age tall tales.
Religion is stupid.
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Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Wordsmith" |
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03 Feb 2005 07:50:39 AM |
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wcb wrote:
david wrote:
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/630/
Transhumanism might be described as the technology of advanced
individual enhancement. While it includes physical modifications
(diamondoid teeth, self-styling hair, autocleaning ears, nanotube
bones,
lipid metabolizers, polymer muscles), most of the interest in the
technology focuses on the integration of brains and
computers?especially
brains and networks. Sample transhumanist apps could include cell
phone
implants (which would allow virtual telepathy), memory backups and
augmenters, thought recorders, reflex accelerators, collaborative
consciousness (whiteboarding in the brain), and a very long list of
thought-controlled actuators. Ultimately, the technology could
extend to
the uploading and downloading of entire minds in and out of host
bodies,
providing a self-consciousness that, theoretically, would have no
definitive nor necessary end. That is, immortality, of a sort.
===
Who in their right mind would desire God-less immortality, as a
God-less
bio-machine...engineered as something a whole lot less than human?
Who in their right mind would find it desirable to be eternally
programmed to carry out their God-less 'duties' dictated to them by
their God-less programmers, as a hellbound God-less 'thing'...?
Who in their right mind would rely on an ancient and disproven myth
for
anything except willful ignorance? There is no god, get over it.
If our deeply stupid ancestors had not wasted time with stupid
religion, we
may today be enjoying scientifically achieved immortality.
Instead, we have armies of a[poid xians destroying science.
Science will eventually make mankind superhuman, not less than human
as your amazingly ignorant fear and hate filled rhetoric suggests.
A world where all men and women are healthy, superbly intelligent,
talented, beautiful, and ageless.
You are insane to suggest we throw that away in name of an evil god
as
depicted in deeply stupid bronze age tall tales.
Religion is stupid.
--
Cheerful Charlie
And science treated as religion is stupid as well. How cheerful are
you now,
Charlie?
W : )
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Feb 2005 07:34:51 AM |
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On 2 Feb 2005 23:50:39 -0800, "Wordsmith" <wordsmith@rocketmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
And science treated as religion is stupid as well.
Which is why theists should stop doing that.
--
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "John Nelson" |
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04 Feb 2005 07:04:33 PM |
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On 2 Feb 2005 23:50:39 -0800, "Wordsmith" <wordsmith@rocketmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
And science treated as religion is stupid as well.
It is interesting to note that Sir Francis Bacon, generally regarded as
the "father" of modern scientific method, spent his life trying to
develelop the means to "...eventually disclose and bring into sight all
that is most hidden and secret in the universe...", which was to say
"God's work".
It strikes me that the humble pursuit of understanding our universe and
the way it works just _might_ be a part of what was intended for us. I'm
damn sure that we weren't given the gift of the ability to achieve such
understanding, and then a few thousand years later, given a book with
"all the answers in it".
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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04 Feb 2005 07:21:52 PM |
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"John Nelson" <DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c6d672161ef89fd9896d8@news.comcast.giganews.com...
On 2 Feb 2005 23:50:39 -0800, "Wordsmith" <wordsmith@rocketmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
And science treated as religion is stupid as well.
It is interesting to note that Sir Francis Bacon, generally regarded as
the "father" of modern scientific method, spent his life trying to
develelop the means to "...eventually disclose and bring into sight all
that is most hidden and secret in the universe...", which was to say
"God's work".
It strikes me that the humble pursuit of understanding our universe and
the way it works just _might_ be a part of what was intended for us. I'm
damn sure that we weren't given the gift of the ability to achieve such
understanding, and then a few thousand years later, given a book with
"all the answers in it".
Perhaps approaches to science and religion are influenced by instincts
produced by human nature to converge upon this similarity.
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COMTE - and "The Religion of Humanity"
The Religion of Humanity becomes in the author's intentions the true
Positive religion, the only one capable of replacing Catholicism. Like the
Catholic religion, Positivism will have its cult, its dogmas, its
ceremonies, its "consecrations" or "social sacraments" by which to sanctify
"all present phases of private life, systematically tying them to public
life" (Positive Catechism). Months will take the meaningful names of
Positive religion and the days of the week will be consecrated each to one
of the seven sciences. Lay temples will be built (scientific institutes) and
a Positive pope will exercise his authority on those who will be committed
to the development of industries and to the practical use of discoveries. In
Positive society woman will become the guardian and the source of the
sentimental life of Humanity.
Humanity will be the Great Being, space will be the Great Environment, and
the earth the Great Fetish: this is the trinity of the Positive religion.
These short hints are enough to give a cue about the Positive religious
legislation, which we are not going to describe in detail. We intend instead
to point out the form of "spiritual despotism" that derives from this
Positive religious construction, and leads to totalitarianism. In the
society governed by Positivism priests will owe an absolute obedience to the
Great Priest, Supreme Organ of Humanity, both in action and in thought and
heart. "Faith, that is the disposition to believe spontaneously, without
previous demonstration, in the dogmas proclaimed by a competent authority,
is a fundamental truth, the unchangeable and necessary basis of social
order." (System of Positive politics). On the basis of this sequela the
Positive priests will constitute themselves as the intellectual class, in
charge of thinking on behalf of all the other men: this is what De Lc
defines as "spiritual despotism": the "mistrust in intelligence" of which it
is permeated betrays among other things the ludicrous character of Comte's
idea of science, reduced to the new dogma.
So if the atheist was succesfull would he eliminate religion or like Comte
attempt not to deny or to eliminate the Catholic religion, but to empty it
of its authentic content, and to reduce it to a mere social and moral fact.
This reduction is carried out through the negation of Mystery that manifests
Itself in reality and in the daily circumstances of human life. To replace
the entire structure with Government and social functions. Is this actually
the Christian fear of the board of education that they are already making a
counter religion?
In this way as atheism evolves to replace religion does atheism become a
religion?
The object of Comte's synthesis was to prepare the way for bringing the
science of social phenomena, Sociology, into its final, positive, state and
so lay the foundations of a social and political system proper to the age of
industry. Temporal power was to be vested in a self-perpetuating 駘ite of
industrial chiefs. A separate spiritual authority would be established in
the form of a priesthood with the duty of educating and informing opinion in
the general truths of the positive philosophy and their practical
corollaries, and of administering a formal religion centred on the cult of
Humanity (conceived as a Great Being composed of those men and women, past,
present, and to come, whose lives had been, were, or would be devoted to
human progress or well-being). A preponderant place was to be given in the
organization of religious and social life to the influence of women on the
feelings, in order to foster altruism, the basis of the Comtean morality,
expressed in the motto: 'Live for Others'.
http://www.google.com/search?q=comte+%22religion+of+humanity%22
http://membres.lycos.fr/clotilde/etexts/harrison/religion.htm
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Feb 2005 12:21:04 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:04:33 -0800, John Nelson
<DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> said in alt.atheism:
It strikes me that the humble pursuit of understanding our universe and
the way it works just _might_ be a part of what was intended for us.
Intended by? Oh, assuming a conclusion.
--
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding
the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "John Nelson" |
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05 Feb 2005 12:50:33 AM |
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In article <ma4801dbgq10a6ht0dbhoo470d8dlro6rq@4ax.com>,
rukbat@pern.invalid says...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:04:33 -0800, John Nelson
<DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> said in alt.atheism:
It strikes me that the humble pursuit of understanding our universe and
the way it works just _might_ be a part of what was intended for us.
Intended by? Oh, assuming a conclusion.
Read it again, paying particular attention to the emphasized word.
You assume too much.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Feb 2005 01:49:29 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:50:33 -0800, John Nelson
<DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> said in alt.atheism:
In article <ma4801dbgq10a6ht0dbhoo470d8dlro6rq@4ax.com>,
rukbat@pern.invalid says...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:04:33 -0800, John Nelson
<DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> said in alt.atheism:
It strikes me that the humble pursuit of understanding our universe and
the way it works just _might_ be a part of what was intended for us.
Intended by? Oh, assuming a conclusion.
Read it again, paying particular attention to the emphasized word.
You assume too much.
So by whom _might_ it be intended?
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"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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05 Feb 2005 06:55:37 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:50:33 -0800, John Nelson <DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> wrote:
In article <ma4801dbgq10a6ht0dbhoo470d8dlro6rq@4ax.com>,
rukbat@pern.invalid says...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 11:04:33 -0800, John Nelson
<DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> said in alt.atheism:
It strikes me that the humble pursuit of understanding our universe and
the way it works just _might_ be a part of what was intended for us.
Intended by? Oh, assuming a conclusion.
Read it again, paying particular attention to the emphasized word.
You assume too much.
You still don't answer: " _might_ be a part of what was intended for us." by
what, or by whom?
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| User: "John Jones" |
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04 Feb 2005 12:00:52 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 2 Feb 2005 23:50:39 -0800, "Wordsmith" <wordsmith@rocketmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
And science treated as religion is stupid as well.
Which is why theists should stop doing that.
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Carl Sagan laughed at Newton, surely. Newton was interested in
mysticism, like all the best scientists.
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| User: "Wordsmith" |
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04 Feb 2005 07:12:47 PM |
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Atheists do it too.
W : )
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