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http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
I have been thinking about fellatio. No, no, don't hit the back
button. This is serious stuff. I have issues.
Fellatio is now, I am told, very widespread among young people. In the
stairwell of your local high school, a teenage girl is fellating a
teenage boy at this moment, according to Tom Wolfe. It is apparently
- I am working on hearsay, here, I have no direct contacts with
teenagers - very common for 17-yr-old girls to proudly consider
themselves "virgins" (virginity is "in", e.g. Britney Spears) in spite
of having fellated the entire school football team. The larger social
acceptance of the practice is now total: on Christmas Day 1999 -
Christmas Day! - viewers of British network TV were treated to a
performance of Thomas Ades' fellatio-themed opera Powder Her Face.
There has been some large cultural change here. Until a generation
ago, fellatio was consicered an aberrant activity practiced only by
fringe groups - homosexuals, bohemians and jailbirds. Fellatio was
no part of my own adolescence, in 1960s provincial England. Tentative
enquiries among older male colleagues and friends suggest that it was
not widely practiced by well-brought-up Americans either until the
early 1970s. A friend who grew up in a small midwestern town in the
1940s and 1950s says he heard of the practice in adolescence, but in a
context which assumed that no respectable woman would do it. A
colleague - a smart, worldly & successful married man in his late
50s, reports never having been fellated. Another, aged early 60s: "I
suggested it to the wife once. She said: 'You want me to put what?
where? What have you been reading?'" Fellatio was actually illegal
in many states until the 1970s. I cannot find the word in my complete
1971 Oxford English Dictionary (which includes an updating supplement).
The worldly and depraved Humbert Humbert, in Lolita (1955), thought
the practice so far beyond the pale he would refer to it only at two
removes, via a French euphemism.
Fellatio's first steps towards its current universality may have come
with G.I.s returning from France after WW2. It was a common saying
among these servicemen that "the French f- with their mouths and
fight with their feet," and "French" is to this day
prostitutes' slang for fellatio. (While the longstanding French term
demi-vierge prefigures the attitudes of those football-team
comforters.)
Of people in past times whose sex lives we know with fair reliability,
fellatio hardly seems to have figured, even when it was an obvious
solution to large problems. The 18th-century biographer and diarist
James Boswell, for example, was a compulsive fornicator, helping
himself to street girls on his way home at night in London. This
brought him numerous bouts of venereal disease, a very painful and
inconvenient business in those days, and distressing to his wife, whom
he adored (but who was at home in Scotland). Yet it never seems to
have occurred to him to ask the street girls to fellate him.
Fellatio pops up (look, you can't avoid double-entendres when
discussing this topic, and may as well just give in to them) in erotic
art and literature from past ages, though of course this tells us
nothing about everyday practice. The classic 16th-century Chinese
erotic novel Jin Ping Mei has a character, Golden Lotus, who is
especially adept at it. The term used is pin-xiao, "playing the
flute". However, this expression does not appear in any of my
Chinese-Chinese or Chinese-English dictionaries; and "fellatio"
appears in only one - the bulkiest one - of my half-dozen
English-Chinese dictionaries, where it is translated via a dogged
25-character explanation: "The behavior or action of using the tongue
to rub the male organ for the purpose of stimulating sexual desire or
bringing about ejaculation." It seems, therefore, that there is no
commonplace Chinese term for "fellatio" in current usage, so the
Chinese may be behind the curve here. Or I may just need some more
up-to-date dictionaries.
One friend with whom I discussed this suggests that the recent
popularity of both species of oral sex reflects improvements in indoor
plumbing since 1945 and escalating standards of personal hygiene, from
one bath per week to one shower per day. I am not sure this really
meets the case, though. The French are not best known for dedication
to personal freshness. Contrariwise, upper- and upper-middle-class
English people were taking baths daily by the mid-19th century, yet
fellatio does not seem to have been part of their sexual repertoire.
What does it all mean? I asked Steve Sailer, who is, as Warren G.
Harding said of Herbert Hoover, "the smartest gink I know". Steve:
"It's birth control. See, a girl may really like a boy and want
to keep him, but yet not want to get into the deep-emotional region of
coitus. Before the pill and easy abortion, she could just say: 'Oh,
no, I don't want to get pregnant.' Now she can't plausibly say
that. If she doesn't want to have actual sex with him, she fellates
him as a compromise."
I find Steve's thesis quite persuasive, but it can't be the whole
story. The real conundrum is not: Why is there so much of it about
now, it's: Why was there so little before? Why was such an obvious and
harmless practice neglected for so long? Why didn't James Boswell -
an extremely horny and imaginative man - or the adolescent boys I
hung out with back in Northampton, whose minds could not possibly have
been any filthier than they were, even think about it? The answer must
be obvious, but I can't quite get at it ... it's on the tip of my
tongue ...
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06 Sep 2006 02:52:35 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com>
One has to suspect -- and hardly for the first time -- that
STrumpet doesn't read these cut-n-pastes all the way through
before he commits them. I'll give long odds that STrumpet
did not make it all the way to the last paragraph, where
the ***** is refered to as "an obvious and harmless practice".
-- cary
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
I have been thinking about fellatio. No, no, don't hit the back
button. This is serious stuff. I have issues.
Fellatio is now, I am told, very widespread among young people. In the
stairwell of your local high school, a teenage girl is fellating a
teenage boy at this moment, according to Tom Wolfe. It is apparently
- I am working on hearsay, here, I have no direct contacts with
teenagers - very common for 17-yr-old girls to proudly consider
themselves "virgins" (virginity is "in", e.g. Britney Spears) in spite
of having fellated the entire school football team. The larger social
acceptance of the practice is now total: on Christmas Day 1999 -
Christmas Day! - viewers of British network TV were treated to a
performance of Thomas Ades' fellatio-themed opera Powder Her Face.
There has been some large cultural change here. Until a generation
ago, fellatio was consicered an aberrant activity practiced only by
fringe groups - homosexuals, bohemians and jailbirds. Fellatio was
no part of my own adolescence, in 1960s provincial England. Tentative
enquiries among older male colleagues and friends suggest that it was
not widely practiced by well-brought-up Americans either until the
early 1970s. A friend who grew up in a small midwestern town in the
1940s and 1950s says he heard of the practice in adolescence, but in a
context which assumed that no respectable woman would do it. A
colleague - a smart, worldly & successful married man in his late
50s, reports never having been fellated. Another, aged early 60s: "I
suggested it to the wife once. She said: 'You want me to put what?
where? What have you been reading?'" Fellatio was actually illegal
in many states until the 1970s. I cannot find the word in my complete
1971 Oxford English Dictionary (which includes an updating supplement).
The worldly and depraved Humbert Humbert, in Lolita (1955), thought
the practice so far beyond the pale he would refer to it only at two
removes, via a French euphemism.
Fellatio's first steps towards its current universality may have come
with G.I.s returning from France after WW2. It was a common saying
among these servicemen that "the French f- with their mouths and
fight with their feet," and "French" is to this day
prostitutes' slang for fellatio. (While the longstanding French term
demi-vierge prefigures the attitudes of those football-team
comforters.)
Of people in past times whose sex lives we know with fair reliability,
fellatio hardly seems to have figured, even when it was an obvious
solution to large problems. The 18th-century biographer and diarist
James Boswell, for example, was a compulsive fornicator, helping
himself to street girls on his way home at night in London. This
brought him numerous bouts of venereal disease, a very painful and
inconvenient business in those days, and distressing to his wife, whom
he adored (but who was at home in Scotland). Yet it never seems to
have occurred to him to ask the street girls to fellate him.
Fellatio pops up (look, you can't avoid double-entendres when
discussing this topic, and may as well just give in to them) in erotic
art and literature from past ages, though of course this tells us
nothing about everyday practice. The classic 16th-century Chinese
erotic novel Jin Ping Mei has a character, Golden Lotus, who is
especially adept at it. The term used is pin-xiao, "playing the
flute". However, this expression does not appear in any of my
Chinese-Chinese or Chinese-English dictionaries; and "fellatio"
appears in only one - the bulkiest one - of my half-dozen
English-Chinese dictionaries, where it is translated via a dogged
25-character explanation: "The behavior or action of using the tongue
to rub the male organ for the purpose of stimulating sexual desire or
bringing about ejaculation." It seems, therefore, that there is no
commonplace Chinese term for "fellatio" in current usage, so the
Chinese may be behind the curve here. Or I may just need some more
up-to-date dictionaries.
One friend with whom I discussed this suggests that the recent
popularity of both species of oral sex reflects improvements in indoor
plumbing since 1945 and escalating standards of personal hygiene, from
one bath per week to one shower per day. I am not sure this really
meets the case, though. The French are not best known for dedication
to personal freshness. Contrariwise, upper- and upper-middle-class
English people were taking baths daily by the mid-19th century, yet
fellatio does not seem to have been part of their sexual repertoire.
What does it all mean? I asked Steve Sailer, who is, as Warren G.
Harding said of Herbert Hoover, "the smartest gink I know". Steve:
"It's birth control. See, a girl may really like a boy and want
to keep him, but yet not want to get into the deep-emotional region of
coitus. Before the pill and easy abortion, she could just say: 'Oh,
no, I don't want to get pregnant.' Now she can't plausibly say
that. If she doesn't want to have actual sex with him, she fellates
him as a compromise."
I find Steve's thesis quite persuasive, but it can't be the whole
story. The real conundrum is not: Why is there so much of it about
now, it's: Why was there so little before? Why was such an obvious and
harmless practice neglected for so long? Why didn't James Boswell -
an extremely horny and imaginative man - or the adolescent boys I
hung out with back in Northampton, whose minds could not possibly have
been any filthier than they were, even think about it? The answer must
be obvious, but I can't quite get at it ... it's on the tip of my
tongue ...
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| User: "Linz" |
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07 Sep 2006 06:13:24 AM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com>
One has to suspect -- and hardly for the first time -- that
STrumpet doesn't read these cut-n-pastes all the way through
before he commits them. I'll give long odds that STrumpet
did not make it all the way to the last paragraph, where
the ***** is refered to as "an obvious and harmless practice".
And you re-posted all of his crap for what reason? Oh, let me guess. Because
you're a top-posting idiot, is that it?
--
Posting at the top of an article because that is where your cursor
happened to be is like crapping in your pants because that is
where your arse happened to be.
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| User: "Dan Clore" |
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07 Sep 2006 03:07:05 PM |
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For some reason this thread reminds me of the old line:
"Don't put that in your mouth -- you don't know where it's
been!"
--
Dan Clore
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://amazon.com/o/ASIN/1587154838/ref=nosim/thedanclorenecro
Lord Weÿrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
http://www.geocities.com/clorebeast/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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| User: "Charlie Dont Surf" |
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07 Sep 2006 03:56:36 PM |
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"Dan Clore" <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote in message
"Don't put that in your mouth -- you don't know where it's been!"
I'm not that kind of girl.
I'm a size bigger.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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06 Sep 2006 06:34:10 PM |
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In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote:
I have been thinking about fellatio.
So have I for years. But that's hardly surprising, what with me being
male and all...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "BDK" |
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07 Sep 2006 01:56:32 PM |
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In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
I have been thinking about fellatio. No, no, don't hit the back
button. This is serious stuff. I have issues.
Fellatio is now, I am told, very widespread among young people. In the
stairwell of your local high school, a teenage girl is fellating a
teenage boy at this moment, according to Tom Wolfe. It is apparently
- I am working on hearsay, here, I have no direct contacts with
teenagers - very common for 17-yr-old girls to proudly consider
themselves "virgins" (virginity is "in", e.g. Britney Spears) in spite
of having fellated the entire school football team. The larger social
acceptance of the practice is now total: on Christmas Day 1999 -
Christmas Day! - viewers of British network TV were treated to a
performance of Thomas Ades' fellatio-themed opera Powder Her Face.
There has been some large cultural change here. Until a generation
ago, fellatio was consicered an aberrant activity practiced only by
fringe groups - homosexuals, bohemians and jailbirds. Fellatio was
no part of my own adolescence, in 1960s provincial England. Tentative
enquiries among older male colleagues and friends suggest that it was
not widely practiced by well-brought-up Americans either until the
early 1970s. A friend who grew up in a small midwestern town in the
1940s and 1950s says he heard of the practice in adolescence, but in a
context which assumed that no respectable woman would do it. A
colleague - a smart, worldly & successful married man in his late
50s, reports never having been fellated. Another, aged early 60s: "I
suggested it to the wife once. She said: 'You want me to put what?
where? What have you been reading?'" Fellatio was actually illegal
in many states until the 1970s. I cannot find the word in my complete
1971 Oxford English Dictionary (which includes an updating supplement).
The worldly and depraved Humbert Humbert, in Lolita (1955), thought
the practice so far beyond the pale he would refer to it only at two
removes, via a French euphemism.
Fellatio's first steps towards its current universality may have come
with G.I.s returning from France after WW2. It was a common saying
among these servicemen that "the French f- with their mouths and
fight with their feet," and "French" is to this day
prostitutes' slang for fellatio. (While the longstanding French term
demi-vierge prefigures the attitudes of those football-team
comforters.)
Of people in past times whose sex lives we know with fair reliability,
fellatio hardly seems to have figured, even when it was an obvious
solution to large problems. The 18th-century biographer and diarist
James Boswell, for example, was a compulsive fornicator, helping
himself to street girls on his way home at night in London. This
brought him numerous bouts of venereal disease, a very painful and
inconvenient business in those days, and distressing to his wife, whom
he adored (but who was at home in Scotland). Yet it never seems to
have occurred to him to ask the street girls to fellate him.
Fellatio pops up (look, you can't avoid double-entendres when
discussing this topic, and may as well just give in to them) in erotic
art and literature from past ages, though of course this tells us
nothing about everyday practice. The classic 16th-century Chinese
erotic novel Jin Ping Mei has a character, Golden Lotus, who is
especially adept at it. The term used is pin-xiao, "playing the
flute". However, this expression does not appear in any of my
Chinese-Chinese or Chinese-English dictionaries; and "fellatio"
appears in only one - the bulkiest one - of my half-dozen
English-Chinese dictionaries, where it is translated via a dogged
25-character explanation: "The behavior or action of using the tongue
to rub the male organ for the purpose of stimulating sexual desire or
bringing about ejaculation." It seems, therefore, that there is no
commonplace Chinese term for "fellatio" in current usage, so the
Chinese may be behind the curve here. Or I may just need some more
up-to-date dictionaries.
One friend with whom I discussed this suggests that the recent
popularity of both species of oral sex reflects improvements in indoor
plumbing since 1945 and escalating standards of personal hygiene, from
one bath per week to one shower per day. I am not sure this really
meets the case, though. The French are not best known for dedication
to personal freshness. Contrariwise, upper- and upper-middle-class
English people were taking baths daily by the mid-19th century, yet
fellatio does not seem to have been part of their sexual repertoire.
What does it all mean? I asked Steve Sailer, who is, as Warren G.
Harding said of Herbert Hoover, "the smartest gink I know". Steve:
"It's birth control. See, a girl may really like a boy and want
to keep him, but yet not want to get into the deep-emotional region of
coitus. Before the pill and easy abortion, she could just say: 'Oh,
no, I don't want to get pregnant.' Now she can't plausibly say
that. If she doesn't want to have actual sex with him, she fellates
him as a compromise."
I find Steve's thesis quite persuasive, but it can't be the whole
story. The real conundrum is not: Why is there so much of it about
now, it's: Why was there so little before? Why was such an obvious and
harmless practice neglected for so long? Why didn't James Boswell -
an extremely horny and imaginative man - or the adolescent boys I
hung out with back in Northampton, whose minds could not possibly have
been any filthier than they were, even think about it? The answer must
be obvious, but I can't quite get at it ... it's on the tip of my
tongue ...
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
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08 Sep 2006 12:05:34 AM |
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BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f6a356fe4e5cfe598a261@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
I have been thinking about fellatio. No, no, don't hit the back
button. This is serious stuff. I have issues.
<snipped for brevity>
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
Nope, same age as your good self and back then I can assure you that
blow-jobs were popular pastimes in the UK as well.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
Well, the world changes, now the definition of a ' nice' girl is related to
whether she 'spits or swallows'....
BDK
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| User: "BDK" |
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08 Sep 2006 01:06:47 PM |
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In article <1157691855.26872.0@demeter.uk.clara.net>,
briquenoir@freeuk.c0m says...
BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f6a356fe4e5cfe598a261@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
I have been thinking about fellatio. No, no, don't hit the back
button. This is serious stuff. I have issues.
<snipped for brevity>
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
Nope, same age as your good self and back then I can assure you that
blow-jobs were popular pastimes in the UK as well.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
Well, the world changes, now the definition of a ' nice' girl is related to
whether she 'spits or swallows'....
BDK
That seems to be correct..at least for the younger ones..
BDK
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| User: "droth" |
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08 Sep 2006 12:31:34 AM |
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brique wrote:
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
Well, the world changes, now the definition of a ' nice' girl is related to
whether she 'spits or swallows'....
I thought it had something to do with vomiting?
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| User: "mikejames" |
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07 Sep 2006 07:08:37 PM |
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BDK wrote:
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
I have been thinking about fellatio. No, no, don't hit the back
button. This is serious stuff. I have issues.
Fellatio is now, I am told, very widespread among young people. In the
stairwell of your local high school, a teenage girl is fellating a
teenage boy at this moment, according to Tom Wolfe. It is apparently
- I am working on hearsay, here, I have no direct contacts with
teenagers - very common for 17-yr-old girls to proudly consider
themselves "virgins" (virginity is "in", e.g. Britney Spears) in spite
of having fellated the entire school football team. The larger social
acceptance of the practice is now total: on Christmas Day 1999 -
Christmas Day! - viewers of British network TV were treated to a
performance of Thomas Ades' fellatio-themed opera Powder Her Face.
There has been some large cultural change here. Until a generation
ago, fellatio was consicered an aberrant activity practiced only by
fringe groups - homosexuals, bohemians and jailbirds. Fellatio was
no part of my own adolescence, in 1960s provincial England. Tentative
enquiries among older male colleagues and friends suggest that it was
not widely practiced by well-brought-up Americans either until the
early 1970s. A friend who grew up in a small midwestern town in the
1940s and 1950s says he heard of the practice in adolescence, but in a
context which assumed that no respectable woman would do it. A
colleague - a smart, worldly & successful married man in his late
50s, reports never having been fellated. Another, aged early 60s: "I
suggested it to the wife once. She said: 'You want me to put what?
where? What have you been reading?'" Fellatio was actually illegal
in many states until the 1970s. I cannot find the word in my complete
1971 Oxford English Dictionary (which includes an updating supplement).
The worldly and depraved Humbert Humbert, in Lolita (1955), thought
the practice so far beyond the pale he would refer to it only at two
removes, via a French euphemism.
Fellatio's first steps towards its current universality may have come
with G.I.s returning from France after WW2. It was a common saying
among these servicemen that "the French f- with their mouths and
fight with their feet," and "French" is to this day
prostitutes' slang for fellatio. (While the longstanding French term
demi-vierge prefigures the attitudes of those football-team
comforters.)
Of people in past times whose sex lives we know with fair reliability,
fellatio hardly seems to have figured, even when it was an obvious
solution to large problems. The 18th-century biographer and diarist
James Boswell, for example, was a compulsive fornicator, helping
himself to street girls on his way home at night in London. This
brought him numerous bouts of venereal disease, a very painful and
inconvenient business in those days, and distressing to his wife, whom
he adored (but who was at home in Scotland). Yet it never seems to
have occurred to him to ask the street girls to fellate him.
Fellatio pops up (look, you can't avoid double-entendres when
discussing this topic, and may as well just give in to them) in erotic
art and literature from past ages, though of course this tells us
nothing about everyday practice. The classic 16th-century Chinese
erotic novel Jin Ping Mei has a character, Golden Lotus, who is
especially adept at it. The term used is pin-xiao, "playing the
flute". However, this expression does not appear in any of my
Chinese-Chinese or Chinese-English dictionaries; and "fellatio"
appears in only one - the bulkiest one - of my half-dozen
English-Chinese dictionaries, where it is translated via a dogged
25-character explanation: "The behavior or action of using the tongue
to rub the male organ for the purpose of stimulating sexual desire or
bringing about ejaculation." It seems, therefore, that there is no
commonplace Chinese term for "fellatio" in current usage, so the
Chinese may be behind the curve here. Or I may just need some more
up-to-date dictionaries.
One friend with whom I discussed this suggests that the recent
popularity of both species of oral sex reflects improvements in indoor
plumbing since 1945 and escalating standards of personal hygiene, from
one bath per week to one shower per day. I am not sure this really
meets the case, though. The French are not best known for dedication
to personal freshness. Contrariwise, upper- and upper-middle-class
English people were taking baths daily by the mid-19th century, yet
fellatio does not seem to have been part of their sexual repertoire.
What does it all mean? I asked Steve Sailer, who is, as Warren G.
Harding said of Herbert Hoover, "the smartest gink I know". Steve:
"It's birth control. See, a girl may really like a boy and want
to keep him, but yet not want to get into the deep-emotional region of
coitus. Before the pill and easy abortion, she could just say: 'Oh,
no, I don't want to get pregnant.' Now she can't plausibly say
that. If she doesn't want to have actual sex with him, she fellates
him as a compromise."
I find Steve's thesis quite persuasive, but it can't be the whole
story. The real conundrum is not: Why is there so much of it about
now, it's: Why was there so little before? Why was such an obvious and
harmless practice neglected for so long? Why didn't James Boswell -
an extremely horny and imaginative man - or the adolescent boys I
hung out with back in Northampton, whose minds could not possibly have
been any filthier than they were, even think about it? The answer must
be obvious, but I can't quite get at it ... it's on the tip of my
tongue ...
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/kama-sutra-fellatio.htm
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08 Sep 2006 01:05:46 PM |
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In article <aw2Mg.16709$g75.214777@weber.videotron.net>,
says...
BDK wrote:
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
I have been thinking about fellatio. No, no, don't hit the back
button. This is serious stuff. I have issues.
Fellatio is now, I am told, very widespread among young people. In the
stairwell of your local high school, a teenage girl is fellating a
teenage boy at this moment, according to Tom Wolfe. It is apparently
- I am working on hearsay, here, I have no direct contacts with
teenagers - very common for 17-yr-old girls to proudly consider
themselves "virgins" (virginity is "in", e.g. Britney Spears) in spite
of having fellated the entire school football team. The larger social
acceptance of the practice is now total: on Christmas Day 1999 -
Christmas Day! - viewers of British network TV were treated to a
performance of Thomas Ades' fellatio-themed opera Powder Her Face.
There has been some large cultural change here. Until a generation
ago, fellatio was consicered an aberrant activity practiced only by
fringe groups - homosexuals, bohemians and jailbirds. Fellatio was
no part of my own adolescence, in 1960s provincial England. Tentative
enquiries among older male colleagues and friends suggest that it was
not widely practiced by well-brought-up Americans either until the
early 1970s. A friend who grew up in a small midwestern town in the
1940s and 1950s says he heard of the practice in adolescence, but in a
context which assumed that no respectable woman would do it. A
colleague - a smart, worldly & successful married man in his late
50s, reports never having been fellated. Another, aged early 60s: "I
suggested it to the wife once. She said: 'You want me to put what?
where? What have you been reading?'" Fellatio was actually illegal
in many states until the 1970s. I cannot find the word in my complete
1971 Oxford English Dictionary (which includes an updating supplement).
The worldly and depraved Humbert Humbert, in Lolita (1955), thought
the practice so far beyond the pale he would refer to it only at two
removes, via a French euphemism.
Fellatio's first steps towards its current universality may have come
with G.I.s returning from France after WW2. It was a common saying
among these servicemen that "the French f- with their mouths and
fight with their feet," and "French" is to this day
prostitutes' slang for fellatio. (While the longstanding French term
demi-vierge prefigures the attitudes of those football-team
comforters.)
Of people in past times whose sex lives we know with fair reliability,
fellatio hardly seems to have figured, even when it was an obvious
solution to large problems. The 18th-century biographer and diarist
James Boswell, for example, was a compulsive fornicator, helping
himself to street girls on his way home at night in London. This
brought him numerous bouts of venereal disease, a very painful and
inconvenient business in those days, and distressing to his wife, whom
he adored (but who was at home in Scotland). Yet it never seems to
have occurred to him to ask the street girls to fellate him.
Fellatio pops up (look, you can't avoid double-entendres when
discussing this topic, and may as well just give in to them) in erotic
art and literature from past ages, though of course this tells us
nothing about everyday practice. The classic 16th-century Chinese
erotic novel Jin Ping Mei has a character, Golden Lotus, who is
especially adept at it. The term used is pin-xiao, "playing the
flute". However, this expression does not appear in any of my
Chinese-Chinese or Chinese-English dictionaries; and "fellatio"
appears in only one - the bulkiest one - of my half-dozen
English-Chinese dictionaries, where it is translated via a dogged
25-character explanation: "The behavior or action of using the tongue
to rub the male organ for the purpose of stimulating sexual desire or
bringing about ejaculation." It seems, therefore, that there is no
commonplace Chinese term for "fellatio" in current usage, so the
Chinese may be behind the curve here. Or I may just need some more
up-to-date dictionaries.
One friend with whom I discussed this suggests that the recent
popularity of both species of oral sex reflects improvements in indoor
plumbing since 1945 and escalating standards of personal hygiene, from
one bath per week to one shower per day. I am not sure this really
meets the case, though. The French are not best known for dedication
to personal freshness. Contrariwise, upper- and upper-middle-class
English people were taking baths daily by the mid-19th century, yet
fellatio does not seem to have been part of their sexual repertoire.
What does it all mean? I asked Steve Sailer, who is, as Warren G.
Harding said of Herbert Hoover, "the smartest gink I know". Steve:
"It's birth control. See, a girl may really like a boy and want
to keep him, but yet not want to get into the deep-emotional region of
coitus. Before the pill and easy abortion, she could just say: 'Oh,
no, I don't want to get pregnant.' Now she can't plausibly say
that. If she doesn't want to have actual sex with him, she fellates
him as a compromise."
I find Steve's thesis quite persuasive, but it can't be the whole
story. The real conundrum is not: Why is there so much of it about
now, it's: Why was there so little before? Why was such an obvious and
harmless practice neglected for so long? Why didn't James Boswell -
an extremely horny and imaginative man - or the adolescent boys I
hung out with back in Northampton, whose minds could not possibly have
been any filthier than they were, even think about it? The answer must
be obvious, but I can't quite get at it ... it's on the tip of my
tongue ...
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/kama-sutra-fellatio.htm
All right...keep your hands to your sides while I back out of the room
slowly..
BDK...Feet don't fail me now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07 Sep 2006 02:38:14 PM |
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
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07 Sep 2006 03:39:00 PM |
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"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
LOL!! What?!?!? :)
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Sep 2006 03:53:21 PM |
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In article <4mbe3uF5ggpeU1@individual.net> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
LOL!! What?!?!? :)
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
Like saying "No thanks, I think I'd rather have a hot dog instead",
for example?
-- cary
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08 Sep 2006 08:15:26 AM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:edq0s1$fj$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <4mbe3uF5ggpeU1@individual.net> "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
LOL!! What?!?!? :)
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
Like saying "No thanks, I think I'd rather have a hot dog instead",
for example?
Nope, not getting that one either ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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08 Sep 2006 06:00:23 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:15:26 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4md8g8F5j3tiU1@individual.net>
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:edq0s1$fj$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <4mbe3uF5ggpeU1@individual.net> "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
LOL!! What?!?!? :)
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
Like saying "No thanks, I think I'd rather have a hot dog instead",
for example?
Nope, not getting that one either ;)
Could it have something to do with buns?
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07 Sep 2006 03:38:58 PM |
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:39:00 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
LOL!! What?!?!? :)
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
Try using bread and butter.
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07 Sep 2006 04:00:17 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:mp01g298emuia9ted5rfce0r9m96go41um@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:39:00 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
LOL!! What?!?!? :)
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
Try using bread and butter.
Hmmm, sounds messy :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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07 Sep 2006 03:54:10 PM |
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In article <mp01g298emuia9ted5rfce0r9m96go41um@4ax.com> Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> writes:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:39:00 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
LOL!! What?!?!? :)
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
Try using bread and butter.
Well, a friend once told me that her learning to give blowjobs
hd involved peanut butter and chocolate chips...
-- cary
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08 Sep 2006 11:07:28 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
You don't wrap your mind, silly, you wrap your mouth.
<G>
Jenny
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08 Sep 2006 12:56:45 PM |
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In alt.atheism Jenny6833A shared this wisdom:
Robibnikoff wrote:
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
You don't wrap your mind, silly, you wrap your mouth.
<G>
Jenny
<attempts to bite tongue: tongue fails to get out of the way in time>
OUCH! ***** phad hurd. :)
"Son of Discord"
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
" . . The bible is crap, people who believe it
are idiots, and blasphemy is a victimless
crime because the whole fetid pile of
christianic mythology is a ficticious crock of *****."
-Stix, undefeated former Warlord of the BAAWA
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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08 Sep 2006 06:01:00 PM |
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On 8 Sep 2006 09:07:28 -0700, "Jenny6833A" <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1157731648.037145.254650@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>
Robibnikoff wrote:
Sorry, but I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of treating a penis
like a cucumber sandwich :)
You don't wrap your mind, silly, you wrap your mouth.
She might practise Tantric sex, silly.
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| User: "BDK" |
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08 Sep 2006 01:02:36 PM |
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In article <hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com>,
see_website@mindprod.com.invalid says...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
I don't know about the sandwich part, but the first girls I got them
from sure as hell didn't treat it at all like it was fragile, the
opposite was true, to the point of yelling, "Hey, take it easy!"
BDK
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07 Sep 2006 07:29:06 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:38:14 GMT, Roedy Green
<see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
- Refer: <hts0g213brs9aeo3g0ge2hgpf2g1pgh3v6@4ax.com>
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
What? Cut it into quarters and put it on a plate?
Been hanging out with Lorraine Bobbit?
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| User: "droth" |
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08 Sep 2006 12:17:33 AM |
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Roedy Green wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
The key to giving a terrible ***** is to imagine the penis is
something dirty. Any sort of reticence or ickiness is a turn off.
This is one reason gay males have a great head start over women in
giving them. They don't have delicacy hangups. Women tend to approach
a penis as if it is easily breakable. That is definitely not true for
circumcised males. An inexperienced female is apt to treat a penis
like a cucumber sandwich.
Oh crap. Remind me to never f*ck your wife! :)
(Sorry about that.)
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07 Sep 2006 02:41:53 PM |
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
<sniparoo>
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
I don't know.
The rich nice girls I knew called them "shiners" and was about all
they would do. This was back in the early 70's.
mr_antone
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| User: "BDK" |
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| Title: Re: Thinking About Oral Sex: How Rare French Perversion Became Widespread British And American Practice? |
08 Sep 2006 01:03:26 PM |
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In article <k9t0g29t720fa4i0f0adr4gtfons2m95p5@4ax.com>, mr_antone
<mr_antone@> says...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
<sniparoo>
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
I don't know.
The rich nice girls I knew called them "shiners" and was about all
they would do. This was back in the early 70's.
mr_antone
Shiners?? Never heard that term..
BDK
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Thinking About Oral Sex: How Rare French Perversion Became Widespread British And American Practice? |
08 Sep 2006 06:01:57 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:03:26 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <MPG.1f6b7a79a73490b098a27f@news.buckeye-express.com>
In article <k9t0g29t720fa4i0f0adr4gtfons2m95p5@4ax.com>, mr_antone
<mr_antone@> says...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
<sniparoo>
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
I don't know.
The rich nice girls I knew called them "shiners" and was about all
they would do. This was back in the early 70's.
mr_antone
Shiners?? Never heard that term..
BDK
The lower class girlies called them knob polishers.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Thinking About Oral Sex: How Rare French Perversion Became Widespread British And American Practice? |
08 Sep 2006 03:33:26 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:03:26 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
In article <k9t0g29t720fa4i0f0adr4gtfons2m95p5@4ax.com>, mr_antone
<mr_antone@> says...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
<sniparoo>
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
I don't know.
The rich nice girls I knew called them "shiners" and was about all
they would do. This was back in the early 70's.
mr_antone
Shiners?? Never heard that term..
"knob polisher" in other jurisdictions. So they tell me...
--
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "mr_antone mr_antone@" |
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| Title: Re: Thinking About Oral Sex: How Rare French Perversion Became Widespread British And American Practice? |
08 Sep 2006 01:48:07 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:03:26 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
In article <k9t0g29t720fa4i0f0adr4gtfons2m95p5@4ax.com>, mr_antone
<mr_antone@> says...
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:56:32 -0400, BDK <BDK@twilight-express.com>
wrote:
In article <1157537383.074011.148780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com says...
http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Fellatio.htm
Playing the Flute
<sniparoo>
I kind of feel sorry for you. Must be hell to worry about what other
people do with each other in, well, mostly, private.
How old are you? I'm fifty, and "blow jobs", "head", "going down on"
were VERY popular subjects with us pre-teens and up. But maybe the
midwest US was further ahead than the UK was back then.
One thing was true, most "nice" girls wouldn't do it back then. It
changed around the early 80's.
BDK
I don't know.
The rich nice girls I knew called them "shiners" and was about all
they would do. This was back in the early 70's.
mr_antone
Shiners?? Never heard that term..
Only the rich girls used the term.
Here's an interesting link. Worth a look. A classic...
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/74748/ketchup/
Good advice for Sound of Trumpet, too.
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mr_antone
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