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"Robert Schneider" |
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13 Jul 2004 12:09:56 PM |
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This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
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| User: "DianaC" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
13 Jul 2004 12:29:44 PM |
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"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:EMUIc.2004$Qu5.741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Well, perhaps not...at least his method of removing himself from the gene
pool left him alive...>
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
13 Jul 2004 12:35:26 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in
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"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/
20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other
of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Well, perhaps not...at least his method of removing himself from the
gene pool left him alive...>
He does, indeed, qualify if he is unable to breed.
--
Terry Austin
www.hyperbooks.com
Campaign Cartographer now available
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| User: "Christopher Denney" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:48:54 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in
news:b3VIc.318$G9.301@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:EMUIc.2004$Qu5.741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/
20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other
of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Well, perhaps not...at least his method of removing himself from the
gene pool left him alive...>
OK it says:
"...when he went home to get his sawed-off shotgun, which he jammed into
his trousers. ...as he walked back to the pub, the gun went off, blasting
pellets into his testicles."
He must have them trousers hiked up pretty high to give the muzzle of the
shotgun access to his nuts.
I suppose if he sawed off the whole barrel, that might work.
Certainly deserves a "Dagerously Stupid" tattoo.
(on the forehead, in red)
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-- Cd -- Christopher Denney
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
15 Jul 2004 04:58:34 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:48:54 +0000, Christopher Denney wrote:
"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in
news:b3VIc.318$G9.301@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:EMUIc.2004$Qu5.741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/
20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe. -William
Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Well, perhaps not...at least his method of removing himself from the
gene pool left him alive...>
OK it says:
"...when he went home to get his sawed-off shotgun, which he jammed into
his trousers. ...as he walked back to the pub, the gun went off, blasting
pellets into his testicles."
He must have them trousers hiked up pretty high to give the muzzle of the
shotgun access to his nuts.
I suppose if he sawed off the whole barrel, that might work. Certainly
deserves a "Dagerously Stupid" tattoo. (on the forehead, in red)
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-- Cd -- Christopher Denney
Probably shoved the shotgun in barrel-up. Which only makes him seem like
_more_ of a moron....
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Finding a scientific theory of creation is a bit like parsing /dev/null.
--Daniel Harper
(change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
13 Jul 2004 12:33:30 PM |
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"DianaC" <dianaiad@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:b3VIc.318$G9.301@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:EMUIc.2004$Qu5.741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Well, perhaps not...at least his method of removing himself from the gene
pool left him alive...>
As long as he hasn't had kids already, and he's truly and completely
self-sterilized, then he is eligible for a richly deserved Darwin Award.
I'm quite sure he's sterile now, don't know about the kids though.
Raptor514--------------a.a.#1855
Alt.Atheism Veteran-----------#16
"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in
horror. 'But what shall we substitute in its place?' you say.
What? A ferocious animal has sucked the blood of my relatives. I tell you to
rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" --- Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Jul 2004 07:37:51 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:29:44 +0000, DianaC wrote:
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:EMUIc.2004$Qu5.741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
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I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of
the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
AA #2149
Well, perhaps not...at least his method of removing himself from the gene
pool left him alive...>
But he won't enjoy it. Hmmm...wonder if he gets a sex change.
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| User: "johac" |
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15 Jul 2004 01:02:45 AM |
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In article <EMUIc.2004$Qu5.741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Robert Schneider" <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/2004071
3/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
Ouch! That must have smarted!
In any event, he won't be passing his genes into the next generation.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Jul 2004 07:37:52 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:09:56 +0000, Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
At least he won't reproduce.
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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13 Jul 2004 12:56:06 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
It is not true, according to snopes. I haven't seen evidence that snopes
has been wrong.
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the
postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
-William Howard Taft, U.S. President
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| User: "steve_h" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:02:57 PM |
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Apologies in advance, if case this turns up twice.
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
It is not true, according to snopes. I haven't seen evidence that snopes
has been wrong.
It is current news according to the BBC, CBS News, Reuters, Torygraph
I can't find the snopes version. Do you have a link handy?
Steve
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| User: "Robert Schneider" |
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13 Jul 2004 06:20:22 PM |
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"steve_h" <steve.howarth@bigfoot.co.m> wrote in message
news:2liq92FddstpU1@uni-berlin.de...
Apologies in advance, if case this turns up twice.
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/200
40713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
It is not true, according to snopes. I haven't seen evidence that
snopes
has been wrong.
It is current news according to the BBC, CBS News, Reuters, Torygraph
I can't find the snopes version. Do you have a link handy?
Steve
Snopes has no link to the story so far. There is nothing on the "What's
New" nor did anything come up using their search engine.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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13 Jul 2004 09:17:33 PM |
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Robert Schneider <rss1174@SPAMMENOTearthlink.net> wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/2
0040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
And to add to the story, he is now pre-adapted to prison life...
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Eric Root" |
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14 Jul 2004 07:52:27 AM |
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Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
That's outrageous! in our U.S. of A., with our 2nd Amendment, he would only have
gotten a month or two,(probably suspended) for having an illegally-short
firearm, and maybe a modest fine, for discharging it inside the city limits.
(And if I was his insurance company, I wouldn't cover the surgery.) <8^)
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| User: "Klaus Hellnick" |
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15 Jul 2004 12:00:37 AM |
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"Eric Root" <eroot@swva.net> wrote in message
news:40F52DCD.9040207@swva.net...
Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
That's outrageous! in our U.S. of A., with our 2nd Amendment, he would
only have
gotten a month or two,(probably suspended) for having an illegally-short
firearm, and maybe a modest fine, for discharging it inside the city
limits.
(And if I was his insurance company, I wouldn't cover the surgery.) <8^)
In the US, he would have gotten a federal FELONY conviction at the very
least.
Klaus
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| User: "jwk" |
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15 Jul 2004 08:23:11 AM |
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"Klaus Hellnick" <khellnicknospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<2hoJc.54806$W6.13709@fe2.texas.rr.com>...
"Eric Root" <eroot@swva.net> wrote in message
news:40F52DCD.9040207@swva.net...
Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
That's outrageous! in our U.S. of A., with our 2nd Amendment, he would
only have
gotten a month or two,(probably suspended) for having an illegally-short
firearm, and maybe a modest fine, for discharging it inside the city
limits.
(And if I was his insurance company, I wouldn't cover the surgery.) <8^)
In the US, he would have gotten a federal FELONY conviction at the very
least.
Klaus
Unless his last name was Bush or Lay or he could prove that his
wealthy daddy had made large contributions to the Republican party.
Then he'd get "counseling" for his "disease" of alcohol abuse and a
pat on the head.
jwk
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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15 Jul 2004 12:39:14 AM |
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Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"Eric Root" <eroot@swva.net> wrote in message
news:40F52DCD.9040207@swva.net...
Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040
713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
That's outrageous! in our U.S. of A., with our 2nd Amendment, he
would only have gotten a month or two,(probably suspended) for
having an illegally-short firearm, and maybe a modest fine, for
discharging it inside the city limits. (And if I was his insurance
company, I wouldn't cover the surgery.) <8^)
In the US, he would have gotten a federal FELONY conviction at the
very least.
Klaus
Same in many states.
For the people outside the USA. I don't know why we have this gun thing
either.
I used to argue for gun control with a friend of mine. He was adamantly
against it, having read only part of the amendment.
Then one day on a federal road that somebody believed belonged to them he
got his front tires shot out and was held at gunpoint until the cops arrived
and arrested the other guy.
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| User: "Klaus Hellnick" |
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15 Jul 2004 07:11:20 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EPoJc.20458$r45.3982@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"Eric Root" <eroot@swva.net> wrote in message
news:40F52DCD.9040207@swva.net...
Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040
713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
That's outrageous! in our U.S. of A., with our 2nd Amendment, he
would only have gotten a month or two,(probably suspended) for
having an illegally-short firearm, and maybe a modest fine, for
discharging it inside the city limits. (And if I was his insurance
company, I wouldn't cover the surgery.) <8^)
In the US, he would have gotten a federal FELONY conviction at the
very least.
Klaus
Same in many states.
For the people outside the USA. I don't know why we have this gun thing
either.
I used to argue for gun control with a friend of mine. He was adamantly
against it, having read only part of the amendment.
Then one day on a federal road that somebody believed belonged to them he
got his front tires shot out and was held at gunpoint until the cops
arrived
and arrested the other guy.
So, you are saying that existing laws are, at least, adequate, if enforced.
Klaus
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| User: "syvanen" |
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15 Jul 2004 04:36:36 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<EPoJc.20458$r45.3982@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>...
Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"Eric Root" <eroot@swva.net> wrote in message
news:40F52DCD.9040207@swva.net...
Robert Schneider wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040
713/od_nm/odd_testicles_dc
That's outrageous! in our U.S. of A., with our 2nd Amendment, he
would only have gotten a month or two,(probably suspended) for
having an illegally-short firearm, and maybe a modest fine, for
discharging it inside the city limits. (And if I was his insurance
company, I wouldn't cover the surgery.) <8^)
In the US, he would have gotten a federal FELONY conviction at the
very least.
Klaus
Same in many states.
For the people outside the USA. I don't know why we have this gun thing
either.
I used to argue for gun control with a friend of mine. He was adamantly
against it, having read only part of the amendment.
Then one day on a federal road that somebody believed belonged to them he
got his front tires shot out and was held at gunpoint until the cops arrived
and arrested the other guy.
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation. (Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Mike Syvanen
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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15 Jul 2004 05:29:16 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do in order to understand.
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| User: "syvanen" |
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16 Jul 2004 02:41:08 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <matts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<vh1ef0d7k7s2b2mld83l1jgtlip4n037ul@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
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| User: "Klaus Hellnick" |
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16 Jul 2004 07:26:04 AM |
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"syvanen" <> wrote in message
news:fc3e7e23.0407152345.2a019451@posting.google.com...
Matt Silberstein <matts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:<vh1ef0d7k7s2b2mld83l1jgtlip4n037ul@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
He had no illegal automatic weapons.
Automatic weapons are still legal to own in the US, if you don't mind
forking over large amounts of cash, give up some rights, and file personal
information with about 6 governnment agencies, plus comply with local
restrictions.
Klaus
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| User: "Jez" |
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17 Jul 2004 09:16:13 AM |
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Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"syvanen" <syvanen@ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
news:fc3e7e23.0407152345.2a019451@posting.google.com...
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
He had no illegal automatic weapons.
Automatic weapons are still legal to own in the US,
But he was in the UK.
No guns allowed here man.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Klaus Hellnick" |
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17 Jul 2004 11:45:01 AM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:40f9301b$0$6450$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"syvanen" <syvanen@ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
news:fc3e7e23.0407152345.2a019451@posting.google.com...
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
He had no illegal automatic weapons.
Automatic weapons are still legal to own in the US,
But he was in the UK.
No guns allowed here man.
ONCE AGAIN, this was in reference to Randy Weaver.
YOU snipped Weaver from the post!
Klaus
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Jez" |
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17 Jul 2004 02:30:17 PM |
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Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"syvanen" <syvanen@ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
He had no illegal automatic weapons.
Automatic weapons are still legal to own in the US,
But he was in the UK.
No guns allowed here man.
ONCE AGAIN, this was in reference to Randy Weaver.
YOU snipped Weaver from the post!
Oops ! Indeed I did....sry.
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Klaus Hellnick" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
17 Jul 2004 04:21:59 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Klaus Hellnick wrote:
"syvanen" <syvanen@ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
news:fc3e7e23.0407152345.2a019451@posting.google.com...
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
He had no illegal automatic weapons.
Automatic weapons are still legal to own in the US,
But he was in the UK.
No guns allowed here man.
ONCE AGAIN, this was in reference to Randy Weaver.
YOU snipped Weaver from the post!
Oops ! Indeed I did....sry.
Well, perhaps I am a bit to sensitive about the Weaver thing. I am sure
people outside the US are not very familiar with the whole affair. To
summarize:
The US Bureau of Alcohal, Tobacco, and Firearms (primarily a tax collection
agency) was in danger of being reduced or abolished altogether because they
were obsolete. To gain support, they tried to create a new public image of
being some kind of special forces protecting the US from heavily armed
anarchists. To this end, they staged a daring raid, with several cameras and
reporters, against a gunsmith and firearms collector, using a warrant
obtained with falsified evidence. They also illegally bypassed the local law
enforcement agency. They went in guns blazing. Weaver knew the raid was
illegal and did not trust the agents, especially after they killed his dog,
and retreated into his cabin with his family. This started a standoff with
two groups of armed individuals. The BATF called in the FBI and provided
them false information about the raid and identity of the persons in the
cabin , as well as what weapons they had. Weaver tried to send his wife and
youngest child to safety. Is wife was shot in the head by an FBI sniper
after she exited the cabin through the front door, WHILE CARRYING AN INFANT,
in plain view. After the whole thing was over, Weaver was crippled (shot in
the back), and his wife, a son, and his dog were dead. Weaver was later
found innocent of the illegal weapons charge that the BATF used as an
excuse. Later, the BATF did EXACTLY THE SAME THING in Waco Texas, but about
80 people died there.
Klaus
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
16 Jul 2004 08:19:19 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:41:08 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
Matt Silberstein <matts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<vh1ef0d7k7s2b2mld83l1jgtlip4n037ul@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
I notice you have no comment about this at all.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
--
Matt Silberstein
Do in order to understand.
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| User: "syvanen" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
16 Jul 2004 02:56:29 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <matts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<vh1ef0d7k7s2b2mld83l1jgtlip4n037ul@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
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| User: "syvanen" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
16 Jul 2004 03:05:29 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <matts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<vh1ef0d7k7s2b2mld83l1jgtlip4n037ul@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
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| User: "syvanen" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
16 Jul 2004 03:05:43 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <matts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<vh1ef0d7k7s2b2mld83l1jgtlip4n037ul@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
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| User: "syvanen" |
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| Title: Re: This guy truly deserves the Darwin award! |
16 Jul 2004 03:05:44 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <matts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<vh1ef0d7k7s2b2mld83l1jgtlip4n037ul@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC),
(syvanen) wrote:
[snip]
Five years for possessing a sawed off shotgun is an outrageously
excessive sentence. For a first time offender in the US without
undesirable politcal affiliations, the offense would likely result in
fines and probation.
Sawed off shotguns are intended as concealed man-killers. They are
designed to be able to be snuck into places (like banks, which is why
there are laws against them) and then to kill anyone standing close.
(Of course, Weaver was charged with possessing a
sawed off shotgun and they killed his wife, kid and dog).
Are you really going to claim that was the only reason they were
interested in him?
He was a nut case but left alone quite harmless. Possessing a
sawed-off shot gun or even some of the other automatic weapons he
collected were no threat to rest of society. This was clearly a case
where the government created the problem. I grew up in the Pacific
N.W. and saw many illegal weapons. I believe that social pressure
would eventually supress this problem without outside intervention.
Mike Syvanen
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