Religions > Atheism > This is rank stupidity in Greater Manchester UK [pic on site]
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This is rank stupidity in Greater Manchester UK [pic on site] |
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+and+safety+madness+as+firefighters+face+disciplinary+action+for+sleeping+on+floor/article.do?ito=newsnow&
Firemen feel the heat for sleeping on the floor
31.05.07
On a 15-hour night shift, firemen are allotted time to rest between
emergencies and running through their training drills.
They are allowed to put their head down for up to three hours - but they
are not supposed to nod off.
Indeed, the men and women of the Greater Manchester fire service have
been told they can only rest in prescribed reclining chairs - and only
after they have been trained to use them.
Now, however, three experienced firemen are facing disciplinary action
over "involvement in the use of unauthorised rest facilities".
Fire chiefs are looking into claims that they defied their orders to
rest only on the £400 reclining chairs, which were installed as a
replacements for beds in Greater Manchester's 41 fire stations last
year.
They are accused of breaking regulations by deciding it was more
comfortable to use their own sleeping bags and bed down on the floor.
Officials say this could cause accidents when they and their colleagues
scramble to respond to 999 calls.
Unions have described the policy as ridiculous, saying their members are
being treated like children.
The Daily Mail told last year how the Greater Manchester service spent
£130,000 on the airline-style chairs then banned staff from sitting on
them until they had been trained to use them safely.
The service said getting rid of beds was part of a modernisation process
to ensure crews spent time when they were not responding to emergencies
training or doing fire safety work.
The chairs were installed as a compromise. But firemen are only allowed
to rest on them, not fall asleep, and they can only use specially-issued
blankets, not their own bedding.
The three experienced firemen based in Bury - one of them a watch
commander - have been told they face a disciplinary hearing later this
month after 6.30am spot-checks apparently found sleeping bags in their
lockers.
Kevin Brown, of the Fire Brigades' Union, said: "Firefighters make
life-ordeath decisions every day, but they appear to be being treated as
fools.
"A number of members have complained about these chairs and that the
facilities being provided are causing more problems than they are
solving."
Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service says officers will not be
disciplined if they nod off on the recliners.
"Risk-assessed facilities have been provided for rest only, not sleep,"
said director of human resources Anita Wainwright.
"However, if a firefighter were to doze off on the rest facilities
provided, a common sense approach is adopted."
Some firemen claim the chairs are simply not comfortable enough for
proper rest.
"This is bureaucracy gone barmy," said one. "We cannot use pillows on
the chairs and we cannot use our own blankets. Airline blankets have
been issued instead.
"We do not mind being assessed on performance, but being spied on like
this leaves a nasty taste."
Crews in Greater Manchester generally work two 6pm-9am night shifts a
week and two eight-hour day shifts.
The accused trio, watch commander Steve Wilcock and colleagues Dave
Adamson and Keith Hadley, are to due to face a disciplinary hearing on
June 14
Many fire stations have already been transformed by health and safety
rules with the disappearance of the traditional fireman's pole, deemed
too dangerous to use.
Firemen are now expected to use the stairs, with bosses claiming the
extra seconds this takes are outweighed by the reduction in injuries
caused by sliding down poles.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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01 Jun 2007 07:58:40 AM |
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stoney responded :
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+and+safety+madness+as+firefighters+face+disciplinary+action+for+sleeping+on+floor/article.do?ito=newsnow&
Firemen feel the heat for sleeping on the floor
31.05.07
On a 15-hour night shift, firemen are allotted time to rest between
emergencies and running through their training drills.
They are allowed to put their head down for up to three hours - but they
are not supposed to nod off.
Indeed, the men and women of the Greater Manchester fire service have
been told they can only rest in prescribed reclining chairs - and only
after they have been trained to use them.
Trained to use a chair? Hrmmmmm...
Now, however, three experienced firemen are facing disciplinary action
over "involvement in the use of unauthorised rest facilities".
Fire chiefs are looking into claims that they defied their orders to
rest only on the £400 reclining chairs, which were installed as a
replacements for beds in Greater Manchester's 41 fire stations last
year.
They are accused of breaking regulations by deciding it was more
comfortable to use their own sleeping bags and bed down on the floor.
Officials say this could cause accidents when they and their colleagues
scramble to respond to 999 calls.
Unions have described the policy as ridiculous, saying their members are
being treated like children.
My assessment exactly! I think this is an example of Management
bullying.
The Daily Mail told last year how the Greater Manchester service spent
£130,000 on the airline-style chairs then banned staff from sitting on
them until they had been trained to use them safely.
The service said getting rid of beds was part of a modernisation process
to ensure crews spent time when they were not responding to emergencies
training or doing fire safety work.
After reading this three times, it doesn't quite make sense .... do I
need more caffeine?
The chairs were installed as a compromise. But firemen are only allowed
to rest on them, not fall asleep, and they can only use specially-issued
blankets, not their own bedding.
The three experienced firemen based in Bury - one of them a watch
commander - have been told they face a disciplinary hearing later this
month after 6.30am spot-checks apparently found sleeping bags in their
lockers.
Kevin Brown, of the Fire Brigades' Union, said: "Firefighters make
life-ordeath decisions every day, but they appear to be being treated as
fools.
Management bullying!
"A number of members have complained about these chairs and that the
facilities being provided are causing more problems than they are
solving."
Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service says officers will not be
disciplined if they nod off on the recliners.
"Risk-assessed facilities have been provided for rest only, not sleep,"
said director of human resources Anita Wainwright.
"However, if a firefighter were to doze off on the rest facilities
provided, a common sense approach is adopted."
Some firemen claim the chairs are simply not comfortable enough for
proper rest.
"This is bureaucracy gone barmy," said one. "We cannot use pillows on
the chairs and we cannot use our own blankets. Airline blankets have
been issued instead.
"We do not mind being assessed on performance, but being spied on like
this leaves a nasty taste."
Yep!
Crews in Greater Manchester generally work two 6pm-9am night shifts a
week and two eight-hour day shifts.
The accused trio, watch commander Steve Wilcock and colleagues Dave
Adamson and Keith Hadley, are to due to face a disciplinary hearing on
June 14
Many fire stations have already been transformed by health and safety
rules with the disappearance of the traditional fireman's pole, deemed
too dangerous to use.
Firemen are now expected to use the stairs, with bosses claiming the
extra seconds this takes are outweighed by the reduction in injuries
caused by sliding down poles.
Seems to falling down stairs - possibly taking several other firepeople
with the faller - is more dangerous than a pole.
Pang
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De inimico non loquaris sed cogites.
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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01 Jun 2007 07:26:25 PM |
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<snip>
Seems to falling down stairs - possibly taking several other firepeople
with the faller - is more dangerous than a pole.
Pang
The pole having been invented to allow them to safely get down a floor
quickly...it's insane.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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01 Jun 2007 10:08:59 PM |
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Lucifer proclaimed:
<snip>
Seems to falling down stairs - possibly taking several other firepeople
with the faller - is more dangerous than a pole.
Pang
The pole having been invented to allow them to safely get down a floor
quickly...it's insane.
Yup! I also wonder who in the Fire Dept has a relative who sells those
chairs?
Pang
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I not only keep grudges; I feed and breed 'em!
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Jun 2007 10:38:43 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:26:25 -0700, Lucifer <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
Seems to falling down stairs - possibly taking several other firepeople
with the faller - is more dangerous than a pole.
Pang
The pole having been invented to allow them to safely get down a floor
quickly...it's insane.
Very much insanity.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Jun 2007 11:25:05 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:58:40 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney responded :
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+and+safety+madness+as+firefighters+face+disciplinary+action+for+sleeping+on+floor/article.do?ito=newsnow&
Firemen feel the heat for sleeping on the floor
31.05.07
On a 15-hour night shift, firemen are allotted time to rest between
emergencies and running through their training drills.
They are allowed to put their head down for up to three hours - but they
are not supposed to nod off.
Indeed, the men and women of the Greater Manchester fire service have
been told they can only rest in prescribed reclining chairs - and only
after they have been trained to use them.
Trained to use a chair? Hrmmmmm...
Exactly.
Now, however, three experienced firemen are facing disciplinary action
over "involvement in the use of unauthorised rest facilities".
Fire chiefs are looking into claims that they defied their orders to
rest only on the £400 reclining chairs, which were installed as a
replacements for beds in Greater Manchester's 41 fire stations last
year.
They are accused of breaking regulations by deciding it was more
comfortable to use their own sleeping bags and bed down on the floor.
Officials say this could cause accidents when they and their colleagues
scramble to respond to 999 calls.
Unions have described the policy as ridiculous, saying their members are
being treated like children.
My assessment exactly! I think this is an example of Management
bullying.
Monumental stupidity, yes.
The Daily Mail told last year how the Greater Manchester service spent
£130,000 on the airline-style chairs then banned staff from sitting on
them until they had been trained to use them safely.
The service said getting rid of beds was part of a modernisation process
to ensure crews spent time when they were not responding to emergencies
training or doing fire safety work.
After reading this three times, it doesn't quite make sense .... do I
need more caffeine?
No. I don't think any amount of caffeine would help, but a tab of acid
might.
The chairs were installed as a compromise. But firemen are only allowed
to rest on them, not fall asleep, and they can only use specially-issued
blankets, not their own bedding.
The three experienced firemen based in Bury - one of them a watch
commander - have been told they face a disciplinary hearing later this
month after 6.30am spot-checks apparently found sleeping bags in their
lockers.
Kevin Brown, of the Fire Brigades' Union, said: "Firefighters make
life-ordeath decisions every day, but they appear to be being treated as
fools.
Management bullying!
Ego mania.
"A number of members have complained about these chairs and that the
facilities being provided are causing more problems than they are
solving."
Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service says officers will not be
disciplined if they nod off on the recliners.
"Risk-assessed facilities have been provided for rest only, not sleep,"
said director of human resources Anita Wainwright.
"However, if a firefighter were to doze off on the rest facilities
provided, a common sense approach is adopted."
Some firemen claim the chairs are simply not comfortable enough for
proper rest.
"This is bureaucracy gone barmy," said one. "We cannot use pillows on
the chairs and we cannot use our own blankets. Airline blankets have
been issued instead.
"We do not mind being assessed on performance, but being spied on like
this leaves a nasty taste."
Yep!
They've got a hefty management problem which is easy to solve via
redundantcy.
Crews in Greater Manchester generally work two 6pm-9am night shifts a
week and two eight-hour day shifts.
The accused trio, watch commander Steve Wilcock and colleagues Dave
Adamson and Keith Hadley, are to due to face a disciplinary hearing on
June 14
Many fire stations have already been transformed by health and safety
rules with the disappearance of the traditional fireman's pole, deemed
too dangerous to use.
Firemen are now expected to use the stairs, with bosses claiming the
extra seconds this takes are outweighed by the reduction in injuries
caused by sliding down poles.
Seems to falling down stairs - possibly taking several other firepeople
with the faller - is more dangerous than a pole.
It is, but those who issued the directives are unable to think.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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01 Jun 2007 04:00:02 PM |
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[snips]
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:58:40 -0600, Pangur Ban wrote:
Indeed, the men and women of the Greater Manchester fire service have
been told they can only rest in prescribed reclining chairs - and only
after they have been trained to use them.
Trained to use a chair? Hrmmmmm...
I would tend to think that if you _need_ to be trained to use a chair,
then either the chair is so poorly designed it should be chucked, or
you're sufficiently retarded you simply cannot qualify to be a firefighter.
Either way, the whole thing is ridiculous.
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Welcome to our Star System. Now Go Home.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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01 Jun 2007 05:34:51 PM |
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Kelsey Bjarnason expressed precisely :
[snips]
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:58:40 -0600, Pangur Ban wrote:
Indeed, the men and women of the Greater Manchester fire service have
been told they can only rest in prescribed reclining chairs - and only
after they have been trained to use them.
Trained to use a chair? Hrmmmmm...
I would tend to think that if you _need_ to be trained to use a chair,
then either the chair is so poorly designed it should be chucked, or
you're sufficiently retarded you simply cannot qualify to be a firefighter.
Either way, the whole thing is ridiculous.
Agree with all three points!
Pang - pondering petty policies
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I not only keep grudges; I feed and breed 'em!
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Jun 2007 10:37:57 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:34:51 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote in alt.atheism
Kelsey Bjarnason expressed precisely :
[snips]
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:58:40 -0600, Pangur Ban wrote:
Indeed, the men and women of the Greater Manchester fire service have
been told they can only rest in prescribed reclining chairs - and only
after they have been trained to use them.
Trained to use a chair? Hrmmmmm...
I would tend to think that if you _need_ to be trained to use a chair,
then either the chair is so poorly designed it should be chucked, or
you're sufficiently retarded you simply cannot qualify to be a firefighter.
Either way, the whole thing is ridiculous.
Agree with all three points!
Pang - pondering petty policies
Petty policies come from petty people.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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31 May 2007 04:28:28 PM |
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On May 31, 10:18 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+an...
<snip>
And people wonder why they went on strike...
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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31 May 2007 07:25:53 PM |
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:18:19 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qjeu53tkgcj31h19tk8pd04l3amn0otb8i@4ax.com>
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+and+safety+madness+as+firefighters+face+disciplinary+action+for+sleeping+on+floor/article.do?ito=newsnow&
Firemen feel the heat for sleeping on the floor
:
Officials say this could cause accidents when they and their colleagues
scramble to respond to 999 calls.
Yeah, we wouldn't to put firefighters into unsafe workplaces now,
would we?
Sheesh!
Who is running the joint? A retired Kindergarten Teacher?
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Jun 2007 11:04:57 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:55:53 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:18:19 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qjeu53tkgcj31h19tk8pd04l3amn0otb8i@4ax.com>
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+and+safety+madness+as+firefighters+face+disciplinary+action+for+sleeping+on+floor/article.do?ito=newsnow&
Firemen feel the heat for sleeping on the floor
:
Officials say this could cause accidents when they and their colleagues
scramble to respond to 999 calls.
Yeah, we wouldn't to put firefighters into unsafe workplaces now,
would we?
Sheesh!
Who is running the joint? A retired Kindergarten Teacher?
A Bush crony.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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04 Jun 2007 12:52:04 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:04:57 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qjp563dhd7o00hlh3nh0f50ji36jfh4rls@4ax.com>
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:55:53 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:18:19 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qjeu53tkgcj31h19tk8pd04l3amn0otb8i@4ax.com>
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+and+safety+madness+as+firefighters+face+disciplinary+action+for+sleeping+on+floor/article.do?ito=newsnow&
Firemen feel the heat for sleeping on the floor
:
Officials say this could cause accidents when they and their colleagues
scramble to respond to 999 calls.
Yeah, we wouldn't to put firefighters into unsafe workplaces now,
would we?
Sheesh!
Who is running the joint? A retired Kindergarten Teacher?
A Bush crony.
An old woman with no teeth?
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Jun 2007 10:36:57 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:22:04 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:04:57 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qjp563dhd7o00hlh3nh0f50ji36jfh4rls@4ax.com>
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:55:53 +0930, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:18:19 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qjeu53tkgcj31h19tk8pd04l3amn0otb8i@4ax.com>
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398835-details/Health+and+safety+madness+as+firefighters+face+disciplinary+action+for+sleeping+on+floor/article.do?ito=newsnow&
Firemen feel the heat for sleeping on the floor
:
Officials say this could cause accidents when they and their colleagues
scramble to respond to 999 calls.
Yeah, we wouldn't to put firefighters into unsafe workplaces now,
would we?
Sheesh!
Who is running the joint? A retired Kindergarten Teacher?
A Bush crony.
An old woman with no teeth?
Could be. I understand shifts are on a rotating basis.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
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