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"J Young" |
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29 Dec 2005 12:20:17 AM |
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Thomas Jefferson Was a Neo-Con |
Thomas Jefferson Was a Neo-Con
By Cliff Kincaid
New York Times columnist Frank Rich has written about a neo-con group in the
Bush Administration being behind the war in Iraq. Rich may not mean neo-con
to be Jewish. But if that is the case, his use of the term lacks
significance. If neo-con is supposed to mean a desire to extend U.S.-style
democracy around the world, then this is a philosophy that dates back to the
time of America's founding fathers.
Thomas Jefferson was a firm believer in an American "empire of liberty." He
envisioned the young nation expanding into the entire continent of North
America. He also declared that if America were able to "include the north
[Canada] in our confederacy," then "we should have such an empire for
liberty as she has never surveyed since the creation: & I am persuaded no
constitution was ever before so well calculated as ours for extensive empire
& self-government." Wouldn't it be nice to have Canada in the American
orbit?
So was Thomas Jefferson a neo-con? The founders clearly wanted to avoid
involvement in European affairs because France and England were formidable
powers. But they also saw the American experiment as something to be
promoted and spread around the world. From that perspective, why is it
self-evidently stupid or crazy to want to see the democratic experiment work
in Iraq? It may fail, but it holds enormous promise and hope for the world.
Rather than say outright that he believes the Iraqis are incapable of
self-government, Frank Rich prefers to fault the administration for pursuing
this noble cause.
As the AIM film, Confronting Iraq, demonstrates, the Bush Administration's
decision to invade Iraq can be viewed as a logical reaction to the events of
9/11. It was not only designed to eliminate a potential threat but to build
a society which did not pose a threat to America in the future and could
serve as an example to the rest of the region. People can have different
opinions about the policy. But what separates Frank Rich from the thoughtful
critics is his apparent belief that some kind of mysterious neo-con group is
orchestrating the policy behind the scenes and that it was crafted as a lie
from start to finish.
If Frank Rich had been alive during America's founding and early years, he
would have denounced Thomas Jefferson as a neo-con.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Neo-Con |
29 Dec 2005 09:19:15 PM |
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Especially in knocking up his slave girl....
Paul
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Another Terrorist - who murdered innocent Red coats who were only trying to keep the peace! |
29 Dec 2005 03:21:55 PM |
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"J Young"
Such a twit !
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Another Terrorist - who murdered innocentRed coats who were only trying to keep the peace! |
29 Dec 2005 07:36:36 PM |
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Goodness Godless wrote:
"J Young"
Such a twit !
You ARE too kind :)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Another Terrorist - who murdered innocent Red coats who were only trying to keep the peace! |
30 Dec 2005 09:47:11 AM |
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In <dp1k1n$p6a$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless" <cla@cwcom.net>
wrote:
Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Another Terrorist - who murdered innocent Red
coats who were only trying to keep the peace!
Thomas Jefferson was a member of the insurgency against the legal and
legitimate government!
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Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Another Terrorist - who murdered innocent Red coats who were only trying to keep the peace! |
31 Dec 2005 10:07:25 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:IsednQfaAo0dyyjeRVn-gQ@megapath.net...
In <dp1k1n$p6a$1@usenet.otenet.gr>, "Goodness Godless" <cla@cwcom.net>
wrote:
Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Another Terrorist - who murdered innocent Red
coats who were only trying to keep the peace!
Thomas Jefferson was a member of the insurgency against the legal and
legitimate government!
Fortunately, for this planet, (I somtimes think), you Terrorists
(insugents) won!
But still think the world owes more to the 'snotty nosed' French
than they are ever given credit for. But we are biased English speaking
poeple!
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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29 Dec 2005 12:44:40 AM |
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*As the AIM film, Confronting Iraq, demonstrates, the Bush
Administration's
*decision to invade Iraq can be viewed as a logical reaction to the
events of
*9/11.
Care to explain the connection between 9/11 and Iraq?
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| User: "George" |
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| Title: Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Neo-Con |
29 Dec 2005 12:56:01 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135838680.337320.82790@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
*As the AIM film, Confronting Iraq, demonstrates, the Bush
Administration's
*decision to invade Iraq can be viewed as a logical reaction to the
events of
*9/11.
Care to explain the connection between 9/11 and Iraq?
Or how Iraq and 9/11 relate to the lame claim that Jefferson was a neocon?
George
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 Dec 2005 10:01:41 PM |
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In <U4qdnSsq_YOOHS7enZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Thomas Jefferson was a firm believer in an American "empire of liberty."
He envisioned the young nation expanding into the entire continent of
North America.
You know that expansion required around a century of genocidal warfare
right?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Thomas Jefferson Was a Neo-Con |
29 Dec 2005 10:14:53 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Thomas Jefferson Was a Neo-Con
By Cliff Kincaid
You and Kincaid are idiots.
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: J Young is a Neo-Moron |
29 Dec 2005 08:20:06 AM |
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Trolling again, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:U4qdnSsq_YOOHS7enZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
Thomas Jefferson Was a Neo-Con
By Cliff Kincaid
"Kincaid has served as aide to former White House National Security Council
staffer Oliver North."
LC~ 'nuff said.
"Your ("J Young") mindless cut and paste trolling is getting old. Try
something else for a change. Like thinking for yourself, perhaps."
Message-ID: <5dl4i11e0fbhae9mr0e3snck3tgims89l7@4ax.com>
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