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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"david" |
| Date: |
13 Jan 2005 11:55:42 PM |
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thoughts...? |
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in
barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the
advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech
and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the
highest aspiration of all people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse,
as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that
human rights should be protected by the rule of freedom for the common good,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations
between communities,
Whereas the peoples of the world have in the Charter reaffirmed their
faith in fundamental human and individual rights, in the dignity and
worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women
worldwidee and have determined to promote social progress and better
standards of life in larger freedom for the good of all,
Whereas Members of the human race have pledged themselves to achieve, in
co-operation with any and all other human beings, the promotion of
universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental
freedoms for all,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the
greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, Therefore THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS proclaim as a
common standard of achievement for all peoples worldwide, to the end
that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this
Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education
to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive
measures, national and international, to secure universal and effective
recognition and observance, both among the peoples of the world,
themselves, and among all other peoples worldwide, the right to live
free and peacefully based on personal responsibility and prosperity for
the good of all.
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights as set
forth by Creator. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should
act towards one another in a spirit of cooperative peace, prosperity,
and growth for the good all instead of for the growth of a select few
at the expense of any/all others.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this
Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex,
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social
origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction
shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or
international status of any country, community or territory to which a
person chooses to belong, whether it be independent, trust,
non-self-governing, self-governing, or under any other
limitation/self-identification of sovereignty as defined by the
residents of any said sovereign, collective, community, village, and/or
residence. Individual rights are held as the most sovereign of all.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty, freedom and security of person.
Thereofore it is established in this Declaration that anything that
threatens life, liberty, freedom, and security shall be disempowered
and/or abolished for the good of all.
Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave
trade shall be prohibited in all their forms, including monetary and
financial slavery.
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading
treatment or punishment. Any person or group of persons subjecting
torture on an individual shall be marked and banished for a length of
time set forth by those victimized by torture as determined by the peers
chosen by the individual that has experience said torture.
Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a sovereign,
independent, free person regardless of laws set down by others in other
locations and belief structures.
Article 7.
All are equal when placed before any and all laws created by other
communities, states, nations, and are entitled without any
discrimination to equal protection from the laws set down by others
residing in said communities, states and nations. All are entitled to
equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this
Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by a competent community
tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him/her by
the constitutions or by laws set in motion by others.
Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an
independent and impartial tribunal composed of his/her peers of his/her
choice, in the determination of his/her rights and obligations, and of
any criminal charge against him/her.
Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offense as defined by others, has the
right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty by peers chosen by
the person charged with said crimes according to the laws set down in
this Declaration, in a public trial at which he/she has had all the
guarantees necessary for his/her defense provided at no cost.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any
act or omission which did not constitute a penal offense, under the laws
set forth under this Declaration. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed
than the ones that were applicable at the time the penal offense was
committed based on the laws/edicts of the time that said crimes were
committed .
Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his/her
privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his/her
honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of their
human rights to not be tampered with in any way shape or form.
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within
the borders of each state, country, principality, community, nation, or
any designation thereof unless convicted of heinous crimes against
others to include murder without provocation, torture, child
molestation, genocide, crimes against humanity or any other crime
against the personal sovereignty of any individual no matter their age
or status.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and
to return to his/her country without penalty unless convicted of a
heinous crime of his/her peers.
Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries
asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely
arising from non political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes
and principles of freedom for the good of all our relations set forth in
this Declaration.
Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality, or a lack of nationality if
so chosen. In addition, everyone has a right to choose to reclaim said
nationality without penalty if one so desires.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his/her nationality nor
denied the right to change his/her nationality. In addition, no one
shall have nationality forced upon them for any reason.
Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
nationality, religion or belief have the right to marry and to found a
family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent
of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and
is entitled to protection by society in order to ensure the health of
the people inhabiting said society.
Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to acquire ones own property alone as well as
in association with others who would share in said property for the life
of the owners heretofore defined as his/her spouse. Upon death of the
spousal union, said property then becomes the property of a community
based trust staffed by community members that are tasked to be caretaker
of said property until said property can be utilized by another
individual or spousal unit choosing to utilize said property for the
good of all in the community.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property without full
disclosure of reasons for deprivation of said property.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion and
belief; this right includes freedom to change his/her religion or
belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in
public or private, to manifest his/her religion or belief in teaching,
practice, worship and observance that does no harm to the community at
large.
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek,
receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and peaceful
association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his
community, directly or through freely chosen representatives. Those
representatives are not free however, to enact laws that do benefit them
at the expense of others.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of their
community; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine
elections which shall be by universal edict proclaimed to strive for
equality and freedom for all to grow and prosper inside and outside
community life.
Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and
is entitled to realization, through individual and collective effort and
international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and
resources of each community, of the economic, social and cultural rights
indispensable for his/her dignity and the free development and
expression of his/her personality and beliefs.
Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work or to not work, to free choice of
employment, to just and favorable conditions of work and to protection
against risks to health derived from ones chosen work.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for
equal work if one chooses to work for pay.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favorable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human
dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social
protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the
protection of his/her interests, personal growth, and well-being.
Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable
limitation of working hours as determined by the worker as well as
periodic holidays with pay also to be determined by the worker who
chooses to work for pay.
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living that is more than
adequate for the health and well-being of himself/herself and of his/her
family, including food, clothing, housing, medical care and necessary
social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment,
sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in
circumstances beyond his/her control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and
assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy
the same social protection.
Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be in all cases
free, no matter the location. Elementary education choices shall be left
to the parent/child relationship and, as the child grows, to be chosen
by the child in order to benefit the child. Technical and professional
education shall be made freely and widely available for all and higher
education shall be equally accessible to all for free with no cost
associated with education.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
fundamental individual freedoms. It shall promote understanding,
tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups,
and shall further the maintenance of peace, freedom, prosperity, and
growth for the individual as well as for the good growth of all.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that
shall be given to their children until the child gains the age of
consent to be determined by the child as the child reaches maturity.
Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of
the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement
and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the personal and
material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic
production of which he/she is the author.
Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the
rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and
full development of his/her personality is possible within said community.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be
subject only to such limitations as are determined by the individual
solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the
rights and freedoms of the individual and of others and of meeting the
just requirements of public good, public order and the general welfare
in a society built along tenets of freedom for the individual as
outlined in the Declaration.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to
the purposes and principles of freedom for the individual.
Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any
State, nation, community, group or person any right to engage in any
activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the
rights and freedoms of any other individual as set forth herein.
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| User: "Tom Accuosti" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
14 Jan 2005 04:49:09 AM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E70A7E.20607@ak.net
| Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
| inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
| foundation
| of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
[...]
| Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any
| State, nation, community, group or person any right to engage in any
| activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the
| rights and freedoms of any other individual as set forth herein.
"A is A."
- Ayn Rand
Hey, that was a lot shorter!
--
Tom Accuosti
Grand Sovereign Pontiff and Secret Exposuer
Ambassador to Zeta-Reticula
Over-the-Counter Intelligence Agent
Jack-Booted Civil Rights Porn Thug
Usenet Masonic Enforcer Goon
Lesser Masonic Shadow
Fundamentalist Fanatical Extremist Zealot
Crop Circle Planning & Zoning Commissioner
Aluminum Foil Beanie Fitting and Training Consultant
Team Osiris Obelisk Siting and Surveying
Manager, Dulces/Denver Airport Massage & Day Spa
Cydonia Vacation Resort Concierge
Friendship #33.3 AM&FM
Area 51, Atlantis
This post contains the minimum daily requirements of Argumentative
Ignorance, Intellectual Laziness, and Bad Attitude.
Some contents may have settled during transmission.
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| User: "Publius" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
16 Jan 2005 06:01:12 AM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E70A7E.20607@ak.net...
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living that is more than
adequate for the health and well-being of himself/herself and of
his/her family, including food, clothing, housing, medical care and
necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of
unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack
of livelihood in circumstances beyond his/her control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and
assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall
enjoy the same social protection.
This and other articles of the UN declaration assume a definition of "a
right" that has no historical basis, is morally indefensible, and which
renders the document as a whole incoherent. No one can have a "right" to
goods or services produced by others, since that would imply that one may
have "rights" to others' time and efforts --- that one may make others
one's slaves.
For a defensible notion of human rights, see "It All Depends on Rights,"
here:
http://209.126.173.140
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| User: "David Lentz" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
16 Jan 2005 02:25:39 PM |
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"Publius" <m.publius@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qqydnQ44GN2HnnfcRVn-2g@comcast.com...
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E70A7E.20607@ak.net...
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living that is more than
adequate for the health and well-being of himself/herself and of
his/her family, including food, clothing, housing, medical care and
necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of
unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack
of livelihood in circumstances beyond his/her control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and
assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall
enjoy the same social protection.
This and other articles of the UN declaration assume a definition of "a
right" that has no historical basis, is morally indefensible, and which
renders the document as a whole incoherent. No one can have a "right" to
goods or services produced by others, since that would imply that one may
have "rights" to others' time and efforts --- that one may make others
one's slaves.
For a defensible notion of human rights, see "It All Depends on Rights,"
here:
Ah somebody else who reads and understands Thomas Sowell. The United
Nations definition of "rights'' amounts to slavery.
David
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| User: "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
16 Jan 2005 04:33:09 PM |
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Publius wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E70A7E.20607@ak.net...
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living that is more than
adequate for the health and well-being of himself/herself and of
his/her family, including food, clothing, housing, medical care and
necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of
unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack
of livelihood in circumstances beyond his/her control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and
assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall
enjoy the same social protection.
This and other articles of the UN declaration assume a definition of "a
right" that has no historical basis, is morally indefensible, and which
renders the document as a whole incoherent. No one can have a "right" to
goods or services produced by others, since that would imply that one may
have "rights" to others' time and efforts --- that one may make others
one's slaves.
For a defensible notion of human rights, see "It All Depends on Rights,"
here:
http://209.126.173.140
Hmmmm. If the surnames 'Jay, Madison and Hamilton' should suddenly
appear, I'll know I've gone back in time! "Publius" -- haven't seen that
one since "Cato", "Brutus", "Cincinnatus" and my own favorite, "A
Continental Farmer" did their collective newspaper thing. Wayyyyyy back
when.
Cutting to the chase... good reference....good piece [by G.E. Morton]
and, at least for me, the nub of the piece neatly cited and summed up by
the Wittgenstein reference blurb, to wit, "Say what you choose, as long
as it does not prevent you from seeing the facts." Amen!
Doc Tony
;-)
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| User: "Uncle Festivus" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
13 Jan 2005 11:57:19 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E70A7E.20607@ak.net...
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of
freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous
acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a
world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and
freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration
of all people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse,
as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human
rights should be protected by the rule of freedom for the common good,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations
between communities,
Whereas the peoples of the world have in the Charter reaffirmed their
faith in fundamental human and individual rights, in the dignity and worth
of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women worldwidee
and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of
life in larger freedom for the good of all,
Whereas Members of the human race have pledged themselves to achieve, in
co-operation with any and all other human beings, the promotion of
universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental
freedoms for all,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the
greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, Therefore THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS proclaim as a
common standard of achievement for all peoples worldwide, to the end that
every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration
constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote
respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures,
national and international, to secure universal and effective recognition
and observance, both among the peoples of the world, themselves, and among
all other peoples worldwide, the right to live free and peacefully based
on personal responsibility and prosperity for the good of all.
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights as set
forth by Creator. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should
act towards one another in a spirit of cooperative peace, prosperity, and
growth for the good all instead of for the growth of a select few at the
expense of any/all others.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this
Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex,
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin,
property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made
on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of
any country, community or territory to which a person chooses to belong,
whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing, self-governing, or
under any other limitation/self-identification of sovereignty as defined
by the residents of any said sovereign, collective, community, village,
and/or residence. Individual rights are held as the most sovereign of all.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty, freedom and security of person.
Thereofore it is established in this Declaration that anything that
threatens life, liberty, freedom, and security shall be disempowered
and/or abolished for the good of all.
Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade
shall be prohibited in all their forms, including monetary and financial
slavery.
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading
treatment or punishment. Any person or group of persons subjecting torture
on an individual shall be marked and banished for a length of time set
forth by those victimized by torture as determined by the peers chosen by
the individual that has experience said torture.
Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a sovereign,
independent, free person regardless of laws set down by others in other
locations and belief structures.
Article 7.
All are equal when placed before any and all laws created by other
communities, states, nations, and are entitled without any discrimination
to equal protection from the laws set down by others residing in said
communities, states and nations. All are entitled to equal protection
against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against
any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by a competent community
tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him/her by the
constitutions or by laws set in motion by others.
Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an
independent and impartial tribunal composed of his/her peers of his/her
choice, in the determination of his/her rights and obligations, and of any
criminal charge against him/her.
Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offense as defined by others, has the
right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty by peers chosen by the
person charged with said crimes according to the laws set down in this
Declaration, in a public trial at which he/she has had all the guarantees
necessary for his/her defense provided at no cost.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act
or omission which did not constitute a penal offense, under the laws set
forth under this Declaration. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than
the ones that were applicable at the time the penal offense was committed
based on the laws/edicts of the time that said crimes were committed .
Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his/her privacy,
family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his/her honor and
reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of their human rights
to not be tampered with in any way shape or form.
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the
borders of each state, country, principality, community, nation, or any
designation thereof unless convicted of heinous crimes against others to
include murder without provocation, torture, child molestation, genocide,
crimes against humanity or any other crime against the personal
sovereignty of any individual no matter their age or status.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to
return to his/her country without penalty unless convicted of a heinous
crime of his/her peers.
Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum
from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely
arising from non political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes
and principles of freedom for the good of all our relations set forth in
this Declaration.
Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality, or a lack of nationality if
so chosen. In addition, everyone has a right to choose to reclaim said
nationality without penalty if one so desires.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his/her nationality nor denied
the right to change his/her nationality. In addition, no one shall have
nationality forced upon them for any reason.
Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
nationality, religion or belief have the right to marry and to found a
family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage
and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
entitled to protection by society in order to ensure the health of the
people inhabiting said society.
Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to acquire ones own property alone as well as
in association with others who would share in said property for the life
of the owners heretofore defined as his/her spouse. Upon death of the
spousal union, said property then becomes the property of a community
based trust staffed by community members that are tasked to be caretaker
of said property until said property can be utilized by another
individual or spousal unit choosing to utilize said property for the good
of all in the community.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property without full
disclosure of reasons for deprivation of said property.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion and
belief; this right includes freedom to change his/her religion or belief,
and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or
private, to manifest his/her religion or belief in teaching, practice,
worship and observance that does no harm to the community at large.
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek,
receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless
of frontiers.
Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and peaceful
association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his
community, directly or through freely chosen representatives. Those
representatives are not free however, to enact laws that do benefit them
at the expense of others.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his
country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of their
community; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections
which shall be by universal edict proclaimed to strive for equality and
freedom for all to grow and prosper inside and outside community life.
Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is
entitled to realization, through individual and collective effort and
international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and
resources of each community, of the economic, social and cultural rights
indispensable for his/her dignity and the free development and expression
of his/her personality and beliefs.
Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work or to not work, to free choice of
employment, to just and favorable conditions of work and to protection
against risks to health derived from ones chosen work.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for
equal work if one chooses to work for pay.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favorable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity,
and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the
protection of his/her interests, personal growth, and well-being.
Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable
limitation of working hours as determined by the worker as well as
periodic holidays with pay also to be determined by the worker who chooses
to work for pay.
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living that is more than
adequate for the health and well-being of himself/herself and of his/her
family, including food, clothing, housing, medical care and necessary
social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment,
sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in
circumstances beyond his/her control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance.
All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same
social protection.
Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be in all cases
free, no matter the location. Elementary education choices shall be left
to the parent/child relationship and, as the child grows, to be chosen by
the child in order to benefit the child. Technical and professional
education shall be made freely and widely available for all and higher
education shall be equally accessible to all for free with no cost
associated with education.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
fundamental individual freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance
and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
further the maintenance of peace, freedom, prosperity, and growth for the
individual as well as for the good growth of all.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall
be given to their children until the child gains the age of consent to be
determined by the child as the child reaches maturity.
Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of
the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement
and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the personal and material
interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production
of which he/she is the author.
Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the
rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full
development of his/her personality is possible within said community.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject
only to such limitations as are determined by the individual solely for
the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and
freedoms of the individual and of others and of meeting the just
requirements of public good, public order and the general welfare in a
society built along tenets of freedom for the individual as outlined in
the Declaration.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the
purposes and principles of freedom for the individual.
Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State,
nation, community, group or person any right to engage in any activity or
to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and
freedoms of any other individual as set forth herein.
What about the oil?
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Uncle Festivus wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E70A7E.20607@ak.net...
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of
freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous
acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a
world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and
freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration
of all people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse,
as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human
rights should be protected by the rule of freedom for the common good,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations
between communities,
Whereas the peoples of the world have in the Charter reaffirmed their
faith in fundamental human and individual rights, in the dignity and worth
of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women worldwidee
and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of
life in larger freedom for the good of all,
Whereas Members of the human race have pledged themselves to achieve, in
co-operation with any and all other human beings, the promotion of
universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental
freedoms for all,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the
greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, Therefore THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS proclaim as a
common standard of achievement for all peoples worldwide, to the end that
every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration
constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote
respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures,
national and international, to secure universal and effective recognition
and observance, both among the peoples of the world, themselves, and among
all other peoples worldwide, the right to live free and peacefully based
on personal responsibility and prosperity for the good of all.
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights as set
forth by Creator. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should
act towards one another in a spirit of cooperative peace, prosperity, and
growth for the good all instead of for the growth of a select few at the
expense of any/all others.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this
Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex,
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin,
property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made
on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of
any country, community or territory to which a person chooses to belong,
whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing, self-governing, or
under any other limitation/self-identification of sovereignty as defined
by the residents of any said sovereign, collective, community, village,
and/or residence. Individual rights are held as the most sovereign of all.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty, freedom and security of person.
Thereofore it is established in this Declaration that anything that
threatens life, liberty, freedom, and security shall be disempowered
and/or abolished for the good of all.
Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade
shall be prohibited in all their forms, including monetary and financial
slavery.
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading
treatment or punishment. Any person or group of persons subjecting torture
on an individual shall be marked and banished for a length of time set
forth by those victimized by torture as determined by the peers chosen by
the individual that has experience said torture.
Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a sovereign,
independent, free person regardless of laws set down by others in other
locations and belief structures.
Article 7.
All are equal when placed before any and all laws created by other
communities, states, nations, and are entitled without any discrimination
to equal protection from the laws set down by others residing in said
communities, states and nations. All are entitled to equal protection
against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against
any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by a competent community
tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him/her by the
constitutions or by laws set in motion by others.
Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an
independent and impartial tribunal composed of his/her peers of his/her
choice, in the determination of his/her rights and obligations, and of any
criminal charge against him/her.
Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offense as defined by others, has the
right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty by peers chosen by the
person charged with said crimes according to the laws set down in this
Declaration, in a public trial at which he/she has had all the guarantees
necessary for his/her defense provided at no cost.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act
or omission which did not constitute a penal offense, under the laws set
forth under this Declaration. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than
the ones that were applicable at the time the penal offense was committed
based on the laws/edicts of the time that said crimes were committed .
Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his/her privacy,
family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his/her honor and
reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of their human rights
to not be tampered with in any way shape or form.
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the
borders of each state, country, principality, community, nation, or any
designation thereof unless convicted of heinous crimes against others to
include murder without provocation, torture, child molestation, genocide,
crimes against humanity or any other crime against the personal
sovereignty of any individual no matter their age or status.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to
return to his/her country without penalty unless convicted of a heinous
crime of his/her peers.
Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum
from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely
arising from non political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes
and principles of freedom for the good of all our relations set forth in
this Declaration.
Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality, or a lack of nationality if
so chosen. In addition, everyone has a right to choose to reclaim said
nationality without penalty if one so desires.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his/her nationality nor denied
the right to change his/her nationality. In addition, no one shall have
nationality forced upon them for any reason.
Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
nationality, religion or belief have the right to marry and to found a
family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage
and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
entitled to protection by society in order to ensure the health of the
people inhabiting said society.
Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to acquire ones own property alone as well as
in association with others who would share in said property for the life
of the owners heretofore defined as his/her spouse. Upon death of the
spousal union, said property then becomes the property of a community
based trust staffed by community members that are tasked to be caretaker
of said property until said property can be utilized by another
individual or spousal unit choosing to utilize said property for the good
of all in the community.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property without full
disclosure of reasons for deprivation of said property.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion and
belief; this right includes freedom to change his/her religion or belief,
and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or
private, to manifest his/her religion or belief in teaching, practice,
worship and observance that does no harm to the community at large.
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek,
receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless
of frontiers.
Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and peaceful
association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his
community, directly or through freely chosen representatives. Those
representatives are not free however, to enact laws that do benefit them
at the expense of others.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his
country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of their
community; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections
which shall be by universal edict proclaimed to strive for equality and
freedom for all to grow and prosper inside and outside community life.
Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is
entitled to realization, through individual and collective effort and
international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and
resources of each community, of the economic, social and cultural rights
indispensable for his/her dignity and the free development and expression
of his/her personality and beliefs.
Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work or to not work, to free choice of
employment, to just and favorable conditions of work and to protection
against risks to health derived from ones chosen work.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for
equal work if one chooses to work for pay.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favorable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity,
and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the
protection of his/her interests, personal growth, and well-being.
Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable
limitation of working hours as determined by the worker as well as
periodic holidays with pay also to be determined by the worker who chooses
to work for pay.
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living that is more than
adequate for the health and well-being of himself/herself and of his/her
family, including food, clothing, housing, medical care and necessary
social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment,
sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in
circumstances beyond his/her control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance.
All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same
social protection.
Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be in all cases
free, no matter the location. Elementary education choices shall be left
to the parent/child relationship and, as the child grows, to be chosen by
the child in order to benefit the child. Technical and professional
education shall be made freely and widely available for all and higher
education shall be equally accessible to all for free with no cost
associated with education.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
fundamental individual freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance
and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
further the maintenance of peace, freedom, prosperity, and growth for the
individual as well as for the good growth of all.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall
be given to their children until the child gains the age of consent to be
determined by the child as the child reaches maturity.
Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of
the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement
and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the personal and material
interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production
of which he/she is the author.
Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the
rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full
development of his/her personality is possible within said community.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject
only to such limitations as are determined by the individual solely for
the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and
freedoms of the individual and of others and of meeting the just
requirements of public good, public order and the general welfare in a
society built along tenets of freedom for the individual as outlined in
the Declaration.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the
purposes and principles of freedom for the individual.
Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State,
nation, community, group or person any right to engage in any activity or
to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and
freedoms of any other individual as set forth herein.
What about the oil?
You want specifics. Ok. Oil is an in-common need of all. Without oil,
the present economies of the world will collapse. Therefore, clearly,
oil is an in-common vital need for the health and well being of all at
present.
By the tenets set forth in the Declaration, materials that are held in
trust that ensure the health and well-being of all become community
property. Simply put, the eCONomics of oil shall be abolished.
Oil cartel'ists/eCONomists have long held the world hostage. It is time
the oil cartel'ists/eCONomists put aside their greed-based ways and
contribute to the health and well being of the entire world instead of
for the interests of other oil cartelists/eCONomists.
One way to get there from here is to abolish usury debt for all worldwide.
Life is all about personal responsibility, individual freedom and
sharing my friend.
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14 Jan 2005 12:35:42 PM |
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In article <41E70FB3.6020800@ak.net>, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
What about the oil?
You want specifics. Ok. Oil is an in-common need of all. Without oil,
the present economies of the world will collapse. Therefore, clearly,
oil is an in-common vital need for the health and well being of all at
present.
By the tenets set forth in the Declaration, materials that are held in
trust that ensure the health and well-being of all become community
property. Simply put, the eCONomics of oil shall be abolished.
Oil cartel'ists/eCONomists have long held the world hostage. It is time
the oil cartel'ists/eCONomists put aside their greed-based ways and
contribute to the health and well being of the entire world instead of
for the interests of other oil cartelists/eCONomists.
One way to get there from here is to abolish usury debt for all worldwide.
Life is all about personal responsibility, individual freedom and
sharing my friend.
I can see the conflicts now. Vast arguments over who really "needs"
what.
Because without oil the western economies would have to change (not
collapse) you have decided that their need outweighs the Oil cartel's
needs. The so called oil cartel has never held the world hostage. The
western nations willingly ceded their independence to the cartel and now
they grumble about it.
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15 Jan 2005 08:18:34 PM |
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Daniel T. wrote:
In article <41E70FB3.6020800@ak.net>, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
What about the oil?
You want specifics. Ok. Oil is an in-common need of all. Without oil,
the present economies of the world will collapse. Therefore, clearly,
oil is an in-common vital need for the health and well being of all at
present.
By the tenets set forth in the Declaration, materials that are held in
trust that ensure the health and well-being of all become community
property. Simply put, the eCONomics of oil shall be abolished.
Oil cartel'ists/eCONomists have long held the world hostage. It is time
the oil cartel'ists/eCONomists put aside their greed-based ways and
contribute to the health and well being of the entire world instead of
for the interests of other oil cartelists/eCONomists.
One way to get there from here is to abolish usury debt for all worldwide.
Life is all about personal responsibility, individual freedom and
sharing my friend.
I can see the conflicts now. Vast arguments over who really "needs"
what.
Because without oil the western economies would have to change (not
collapse) you have decided that their need outweighs the Oil cartel's
needs. The so called oil cartel has never held the world hostage. The
western nations willingly ceded their independence to the cartel and now
they grumble about it.
Why would you, or anyone else for that matter, want to defend the health
of a corporate entity at the expense of the health of humanity?
Are you by chance a capitalist? An atheist? A fraternalist? A nihilist?
If you are either/or/any of these, that would explain much.
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14 Jan 2005 09:08:25 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
<snip rest of pretty words>
atheist@home#1554
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15 Jan 2005 08:17:05 PM |
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wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
<snip rest of pretty words>
atheist@home#1554
Sorry, but criticism from atheists tend to lack credibility.
Atheists, or so it seems to me, hate everything and everybody as a
byproduct of being nihilists. Nihilism I've found, is not so much a life
style as a death style.
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| User: "Richard Dell" |
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15 Jan 2005 08:38:41 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E97A41.7010805@ak.net...
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| Sorry, but criticism from atheists tend to lack credibility.
Because they have investigated many faiths and found them wanting?
| Atheists, or so it seems to me, hate everything and everybody as a
| byproduct of being nihilists. Nihilism I've found, is not so much a life
| style as a death style.
Why do you equate atheism with nihilism? The worst nihilists today are the
Jihadis - they are the ones who want to destroy everything. You, sir, are
ignorant.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/
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15 Jan 2005 09:14:13 PM |
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Richard Dell wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E97A41.7010805@ak.net...
| wrote:
| Sorry, but criticism from atheists tend to lack credibility.
Because they have investigated many faiths and found them wanting?
| Atheists, or so it seems to me, hate everything and everybody as a
| byproduct of being nihilists. Nihilism I've found, is not so much a life
| style as a death style.
Why do you equate atheism with nihilism? The worst nihilists today are the
Jihadis - they are the ones who want to destroy everything. You, sir, are
ignorant.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/
Atheists, by virtue of their actions and inactions, create jihad'ists,
in order to exploit war/hate/death/disease/poverty/crime/etc for
financial gain.
Atheists are, by and large, lovers of money.
Money, by and large, is the atheists god.
There is no such thing as a positive atheist. A belief in non-belief is
nihilistic to the core...
Read the Holy Koran for insight.
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15 Jan 2005 09:22:06 PM |
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In article <41E987A5.1070500@ak.net>, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Richard Dell wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E97A41.7010805@ak.net...
| wrote:
| Sorry, but criticism from atheists tend to lack credibility.
Because they have investigated many faiths and found them wanting?
| Atheists, or so it seems to me, hate everything and everybody as a
| byproduct of being nihilists. Nihilism I've found, is not so much a life
| style as a death style.
Why do you equate atheism with nihilism? The worst nihilists today are the
Jihadis - they are the ones who want to destroy everything. You, sir, are
ignorant.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/
Atheists, by virtue of their actions and inactions, create jihad'ists,
in order to exploit war/hate/death/disease/poverty/crime/etc for
financial gain.
Atheists are, by and large, lovers of money.
Money, by and large, is the atheists god.
There is no such thing as a positive atheist. A belief in non-belief is
nihilistic to the core...
Read the Holy Koran for insight.
The "Holy" Koran is blasphemy to Christians, and the "Holy" Bible is
equally blasphemous to Moslems.
Atheists just disbelieve in one more god than monotheists.
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16 Jan 2005 12:17:30 AM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-866040.14220615012005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
| > Atheists, by virtue of their actions and inactions, create jihad'ists,
| > in order to exploit war/hate/death/disease/poverty/crime/etc for
| > financial gain.
| > Atheists are, by and large, lovers of money.
| > Money, by and large, is the atheists god.
| >
| > There is no such thing as a positive atheist. A belief in non-belief is
| > nihilistic to the core...
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| > Read the Holy Koran for insight.
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| The "Holy" Koran is blasphemy to Christians, and the "Holy" Bible is
| equally blasphemous to Moslems.
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| Atheists just disbelieve in one more god than monotheists.
Not content with telling everyone to believe what *you* believe and what
"God says", you (i.e. Virgil and David) are now telling atheists what *they*
believe. The sheer unmitigated gall of it. Have you ever tried asking one?
How about asking God what He *really* says instead of making it up for Him
all the time. Next time you pray, try listening instead of talking.
Enlightenment awaits you.
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
16 Jan 2005 09:14:24 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:22:06 -0700, Virgil
<ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> typed furiously:
In article <41E987A5.1070500@ak.net>, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Richard Dell wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41E97A41.7010805@ak.net...
| wrote:
| Sorry, but criticism from atheists tend to lack credibility.
Because they have investigated many faiths and found them wanting?
| Atheists, or so it seems to me, hate everything and everybody as a
| byproduct of being nihilists. Nihilism I've found, is not so much a life
| style as a death style.
Why do you equate atheism with nihilism? The worst nihilists today are the
Jihadis - they are the ones who want to destroy everything. You, sir, are
ignorant.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/
Atheists, by virtue of their actions and inactions, create jihad'ists,
in order to exploit war/hate/death/disease/poverty/crime/etc for
financial gain.
Atheists are, by and large, lovers of money.
Money, by and large, is the atheists god.
There is no such thing as a positive atheist. A belief in non-belief is
nihilistic to the core...
Read the Holy Koran for insight.
The "Holy" Koran is blasphemy to Christians, and the "Holy" Bible is
equally blasphemous to Moslems.
Do not show your ignorance. Muslims believe in the Old Testament and
in the prophecies of Jesus. They just don't believe he was anything
more than a prophet. It is only ignorant Christians that use the word
"blasphemy" in regards to the Koran.
Atheists just disbelieve in one more god than monotheists.
True, and in three less than Trinitarians.
--
Regards
David Simpson (Remove "farook" to reply)
(Unattached MM)
Bad manners should not be a capital crime ...
for a first offence.
Paraphrasing Robert Heinlein,
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18 Jan 2005 01:22:38 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:17:05 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
<snip rest of pretty words>
atheist@home#1554
Sorry, but criticism from theists tend to lack credibility.
I'm sorry but you put an extra letter before the word theist.
I'll correct it for you. You're welcome.
Atheists, or so it seems to me, hate everything and everybody as a
byproduct of being nihilists. Nihilism I've found, is not so much a life
style as a death style.
Congradulations on demonstrating your terminal dearth of education.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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17 Jan 2005 01:58:35 PM |
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david wrote:
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but
considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
<snip rest of pretty words>
atheist@home#1554
Sorry, but criticism from atheists tend to lack credibility.
Atheists, or so it seems to me, hate everything and everybody as a
byproduct of being nihilists.
Then perhaps you need to check your sampling.
Else my friend you're speaking to has fooled me with his friendly,
generous, and loving ways for a long, long time.
Sunny
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
14 Jan 2005 12:28:49 PM |
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wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
Have you noticed that the definition of "members of the human family"
has been slipping over the years? Back in the late 1700's it didn't
include women or African natives, (and possibly others.) Now it is in
the process of morphing to something that includes even dogs and chimps.
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| User: "snakehawk" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
14 Jan 2005 07:06:18 PM |
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Daniel T. wrote:
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but
considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
Have you noticed that the definition of "members of the human family"
has been slipping over the years? Back in the late 1700's it didn't
include women or African natives, (and possibly others.) Now it is in
the process of morphing to something that includes even dogs and
chimps.
Wanna bet it doesn't include Palestinians? The great enforcer of
humanitarian rights in the world, the mighty U.S. military, might
defend the rights of dogs and chimps, but Palestinians must give up
their rights, their water, their land, and their lives in favor of the
foreign Jews who have taken over the West coast of Palestine and are
not working on seizing the interior.
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
15 Jan 2005 09:50:31 PM |
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Daniel T. wrote:
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
Have you noticed that the definition of "members of the human family"
has been slipping over the years? Back in the late 1700's it didn't
include women or African natives, (and possibly others.) Now it is in
the process of morphing to something that includes even dogs and chimps.
Dogs and chimps are not human beings. However, both would benefit when
human beings learn to love each other mo better.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
15 Jan 2005 01:26:03 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:28:49 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@earthlink.net> wrote:
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
Have you noticed that the definition of "members of the human family"
has been slipping over the years? Back in the late 1700's it didn't
include women or African natives, (and possibly others.) Now it is in
the process of morphing to something that includes even dogs and chimps.
I've read a couple of things suggesting that chimps and other higher
primates be granted certain rights which isn't as silly as I first
thought it was.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
17 Jan 2005 01:09:23 PM |
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wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:28:49 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@earthlink.net> wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but
considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
Have you noticed that the definition of "members of the human
family"
has been slipping over the years? Back in the late 1700's it didn't
include women or African natives, (and possibly others.) Now it is
in
the process of morphing to something that includes even dogs and
chimps.
I've read a couple of things suggesting that chimps and other higher
primates be granted certain rights which isn't as silly as I first
thought it was.
Yes, it is.
<beating long dead horse>
Rights, by definition <per our history>, are not granted, but
pre-exist.
If they are granted, they are not rights but privileges.
If they are privileges, the implication is "favor from a higher
authority".
Thus, they may be revoked without recourse to any foundational law; for
if a higher authority has the power to grant rights, certainly it has
the power to revoke them. Among other things.
That is not to say that other species do not deserve legal protections,
not only for their benefit, but for our own. But naming "rights" to
species who are not able to effectively understand the meaning, nor
work to safeguard them themselves, is not only meaningless, but it
dilutes the power of the idea to protect *us* against the excesses and
abuses of government.
Sunny
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| User: "Chadwick Stone©" |
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| Title: Re: thoughts...? |
15 Jan 2005 01:57:38 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:28:49 GMT, "Daniel T."
<postmaster@earthlink.net> wrote:
atheist@home.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the
foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Eloquent words and not the least bit unique in concept but considering
the source and their refusal to back them up they are pretty much
meaningless.
Have you noticed that the definition of "members of the human family"
has been slipping over the years? Back in the late 1700's it didn't
include women or African natives, (and possibly others.) Now it is in
the process of morphing to something that includes even dogs and chimps.
I've read a couple of things suggesting that chimps and other higher
primates be granted certain rights which isn't as silly as I first
thought it was.
It would be nice to upgrade my dog and cat to "dependent" for tax purposes.
--
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