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"Fred Stone" |
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13 Jun 2007 06:22:38 AM |
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Time for another round of Who Said It? |
September 23, 2002: “Now, back in 1991, I was one of a handful of Democrats
in the United States Senate to vote in favor of the resolution endorsing
the Persian Gulf War. And I felt betrayed by the first Bush
administration’s hasty departure from the battlefield, even as Saddam began
to renew his persecution of the Shiites and Kurds, groups that we had after
all encouraged to rise up against Saddam . . . . Now, a mere two years
later, after we abandoned Afghanistan that first time, Saddam Hussein
launched his invasion of Kuwait. And our decision, following a brilliant
military campaign, to abandon the effort prematurely to destroy Saddam’s
military allowed him to remain in power. Now, this needs to be debated and
discussed by the Congress. You know, what this tells me is that the
Congress should require as part of any resolution that it considers some
explicit guarantees on whether or not we’re proposing to simply abandon the
Iraqi people in the aftermath of a military victory there, or whether or
not we’re going to demand as a nation that this doctrine of ‘wash your
hands and walk away’ be changed so that we can engage in some nation
building again and build the kind of peace for the future that our people
have a right to expect.”
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that seemed
like posturing."
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Time for another round of Who Said It? |
13 Jun 2007 01:13:32 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in message
news:466fd24b$0$11263$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
Here's one for you Fredo:
"I think that the proposition of going to Baghdad is also fallacious. I
think if we were going to remove Saddam Hussein we would have had to go all
the way to Baghdad, we would have to commit a lot of force because I do not
believe he would wait in the Presidential Palace for us to arrive. I think
we'd have had to hunt him down. And once we'd done that and we'd gotten rid
of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another
government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni
government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or a Ba'athist
regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists?
How long would we have had to stay in Baghdad to keep that government in
place? What would happen to the government once U.S. forces withdrew? How
many casualties should the United States accept in that effort to try to
create clarity and stability in a situation that is inherently unstable? I
think it is vitally important for a president to know when to use military
force. I think it is also very importatnt for him to know when not to commit
U.S. military force. And it's my view that the President got it right both
times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the
quagmire inside Iraq."
- ***** Cheney, the Washington Institute's Soref Symposium, April 29, 1991
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Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "GreyHairedFart throwaway1833.hotmail.com" |
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| Title: Re: Time for another round of Who Said It? |
13 Jun 2007 12:53:35 PM |
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Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> wrote in
news:466fd24b$0$11263$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
September 23, 2002: <snip>
Since you like the past so much, here is some more originally posted by
DanielSan
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:26:02 -0800
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From FAIR.org
"Iraq Is All but Won; Now What?"
(Los Angeles Times headline, 4/10/03)
"Now that the combat phase of the war in Iraq is officially over, what
begins is a debate throughout the entire U.S. government over America's
unrivaled power and how best to use it."
(CBS reporter Joie Chen, 5/4/03)
"Congress returns to Washington this week to a world very different
from the one members left two weeks ago. The war in Iraq is
essentially over and domestic issues are regaining attention."
(NPR's Bob Edwards, 4/28/03)
"Tommy Franks and the coalition forces have demonstrated the old axiom
that boldness on the battlefield produces swift and relatively
bloodless victory. The three-week swing through Iraq has utterly
shattered skeptics' complaints."
(Fox News Channel's Tony Snow, 4/13/03)
"The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside
liberals, and a few people here in Washington."
(Charles Krauthammer, Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)
"We had controversial wars that divided the country. This war united
the country and brought the military back."
(Newsweek's Howard Fineman--MSNBC, 5/7/03)
"We're all neo-cons now."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)
"The war was the hard part. The hard part was putting together a
coalition, getting 300,000 troops over there and all their equipment
and winning. And it gets easier. I mean, setting up a democracy is
hard, but it is not as hard as winning a war."
(Fox News Channel's Fred Barnes, 4/10/03)
"Oh, it was breathtaking. I mean I was almost starting to think that
we had become inured to everything that we'd seen of this war over the
past three weeks; all this sort of saturation. And finally, when we
saw that it was such a just true, genuine expression. It was
reminiscent, I think, of the fall of the Berlin Wall. And just sort of
that pure emotional expression, not choreographed, not stage-managed,
the way so many things these days seem to be. Really breathtaking."
(Washington Post reporter Ceci Connolly, appearing on Fox News
Channel on 4/9/03, discussing the pulling down of a Saddam Hussein
statue in Baghdad, an event later revealed to have been a U.S.
military PSYOPS operation--Los Angeles Times, 7/3/04)
And so it goes....
--
The modern theist:
If it's good; God caused it
If it's bad; Man caused it.
The modern environmentalist:
If it's good; Mother Nature caused it
If it's bad; Man caused it.
Draw your own conclusions
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: Time for another round of Who Said It? |
13 Jun 2007 08:18:56 AM |
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On Jun 13, 7:22 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
September 23, 2002: "Now, back in 1991, I was one of a handful of Democrats
Is this really a can of worms you want to open? Do you really want all
of the Republican ***** tossed out in here? Considering some of the
idiotic things Bush has said in the past 6 years...I just thought you
were smarter than this, Fred.
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| User: "Andres64" |
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| Title: Re: Time for another round of Who Said It? |
13 Jun 2007 08:24:38 AM |
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On Jun 13, 9:18 am, Sasha <KTBpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:22 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
September 23, 2002: "Now, back in 1991, I was one of a handful of Democrats
Is this really a can of worms you want to open? Do you really want all
of the Republican ***** tossed out in here? Considering some of the
idiotic things Bush has said in the past 6 years...I just thought you
were smarter than this, Fred.
He's not.
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| User: "GODEATER" |
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| Title: Re: Time for another round of Who Said It? |
13 Jun 2007 12:06:03 PM |
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"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1181741078.831390.193000@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 13, 9:18 am, Sasha <KTBpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:22 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
September 23, 2002: "Now, back in 1991, I was one of a handful of
Democrats
Is this really a can of worms you want to open? Do you really want all
of the Republican ***** tossed out in here? Considering some of the
idiotic things Bush has said in the past 6 years...I just thought you
were smarter than this, Fred.
He's not.
any one who thinks bush is a good president is a moron of the highest order.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Jun 2007 09:02:39 AM |
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Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1181741078.831390.193000@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 13, 9:18 am, Sasha <KTBpy...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 13, 7:22 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
September 23, 2002: "Now, back in 1991, I was one of a handful of
Democrats
Is this really a can of worms you want to open? Do you really want
all of the Republican ***** tossed out in here? Considering some
of the idiotic things Bush has said in the past 6 years...I just
thought you were smarter than this, Fred.
He's not.
Is that the best you guys can do? Threaten me with a deluge of
Republican ***** when I diss one of your Democrat deities?
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: Time for another round of Who Said It? |
13 Jun 2007 11:19:42 AM |
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On Jun 13, 10:02 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Is that the best you guys can do? Threaten me with a deluge of
Republican ***** when I diss one of your Democrat deities?
It isn't a threat - just a statement of fact. For every one
"questionable" thing a Democrat says, there's a dictionary full of
idiotic Republican banter.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Time for another round of Who Said It? |
13 Jun 2007 10:26:07 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:22:38 -0400, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<Nunya@Biznez.net> in <466fd24b$0$11263$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>
wrote:
September 23, 2002: Now, back in 1991, I was one of a handful of Democrats
in the United States Senate to vote in favor of the resolution endorsing
the Persian Gulf War. And I felt betrayed by the first Bush
administrations hasty departure from the battlefield, even as Saddam began
to renew his persecution of the Shiites and Kurds, groups that we had after
all encouraged to rise up against Saddam . . . . Now, a mere two years
later, after we abandoned Afghanistan that first time, Saddam Hussein
launched his invasion of Kuwait. And our decision, following a brilliant
military campaign, to abandon the effort prematurely to destroy Saddams
military allowed him to remain in power. Now, this needs to be debated and
discussed by the Congress. You know, what this tells me is that the
Congress should require as part of any resolution that it considers some
explicit guarantees on whether or not were proposing to simply abandon the
Iraqi people in the aftermath of a military victory there, or whether or
not were going to demand as a nation that this doctrine of wash your
hands and walk away be changed so that we can engage in some nation
building again and build the kind of peace for the future that our people
have a right to expect.
Yes, Fred. Bush I screwed things up and Bush II screwed them up even
more. Given that we had already gone to war with Saddam we should have
actually supported the southern Shiites instead of telling them to
revolt and then abandoning them. Since we had humiliated the Iraqi
army we probably should have demanded that Saddam be removed from
power and some other government put in place. And then left quickly.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
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http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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