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| User: |
"Wayne Clark" |
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31 Mar 2004 10:14:14 PM |
| Object: |
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
02 Apr 2004 01:44:16 AM |
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"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Mrs.Kerry was married to the now deceased John Heinz. He was the
one with the connections to the Heinz Company and whatever it did/
does. You can't blame John Kerry for what his wife's former husband
may or may not have done. Ignoramuses like you are unbelieveable.
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| User: "Leland Milton Goldblatt PhD" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
02 Apr 2004 08:58:25 PM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<EoidncDN7slWhPDdRVn-hA@comcast.com>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Mrs.Kerry was married to the now deceased John Heinz. He was the
one with the connections to the Heinz Company and whatever it did/
does. You can't blame John Kerry for what his wife's former husband
may or may not have done. Ignoramuses like you are unbelieveable.
One only has to look at the history of the last 100 years to see just
how dangerous men in postitions of power like him are, has anyone
heard of the riechstag fire, it was hitlers little terror stunt to
crack down on opponents of his party and to secure his grip on power,
gee sounds like what bush did to get the patriot act passed. Now
patriot act 2 has been passed who's going to be the next victim
nation, syria, venezeula, iran maybe even oil rich nigeria. And like
hitlers terrorists attacked us pretext for the invasion of poland in
1939 the world will know its bogus but no one nation will have the
balls to stand up and say for *****'s sake this is bu(ll)***** and were
taking you down. But like the american war of independence to rid
america of british expolitation you must stand up and have a
revolution that's exactly why americans have the right to bear arms so
they can't be manipulated by the elite. As many of you here already
know there are empty prison camps all over america waiting for the
next stage of the "war of terror" when they round up the freedom
lovers the protesters and the people who get whats going the time to
revolt is now not when the terror alert goes code red and you can't
leave your home. Stand up it worked for vietnam (took awhile though)
its land of the free for all not just the wealthy elites who want to
***** it all up and realise their dreams of a new world order.
George W. a murdering psychopath who lied about why we went to war,
and is an unelected drunk who should be in jail. Hitler was elected,
but Bush was appointed by the United States Supreme Court. Republicans
want to starve kids, kick old people out on the street, make poor
people have to eat dog food to survive, poison the air, land and water
and kill millions of American kids with your imperialist wars.
Shalom,
---Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
http://www.prof.faithweb.com
http://drgoldblatt.blogspot.com/
(773) 731-1100
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
01 Apr 2004 12:21:04 AM |
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"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products in
Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market if
Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product to
Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant in
Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling a
competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This profit is
returned to the USA where it is invested in the local economy, partially in
the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
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| User: "Al" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
01 Apr 2004 02:07:50 PM |
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"Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote in message news:<c4gcf8$2ivm2m$1@ID-216353.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products in
Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market if
Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product to
Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant in
Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling a
competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This profit is
returned to the USA where it is invested in the local economy, partially in
the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business from
there, instead of closing it's doors?
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| User: "Liberals_HATE America!!" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
01 Apr 2004 02:11:33 PM |
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"Al" <caddyshack_al@my-deja.com> wrote in message
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products in
Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market if
Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product to
Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant in
Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling a
competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This profit is
returned to the USA where it is invested in the local economy, partially
in
the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business from
there, instead of closing it's doors?
BINGO! You just nailed the America-hating leftist Sara Bum who makes an
excuse for Kerry's corporation doing exactly what the radical left condemns
every other corporation for doing.
--
Liberals HATE America but they just can't seem to find a better country to
live in.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
01 Apr 2004 04:03:19 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:07:50 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404011207.7292062e@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote in message
news:<c4gcf8$2ivm2m$1@ID-216353.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products in
Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market if
Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product to
Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant in
Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling a
competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This profit is
returned to the USA where it is invested in the local economy, partially
in the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business from
there, instead of closing it's doors?
One of the big problems being that we don't tax the profits if they don't
bring the money back here. Which means they have incentive to move
*everything they can out of the US and leave nothing but a holding
corporation here...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Al" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
02 Apr 2004 07:17:47 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.04.01.22.03.18.930325@hoo.com-amikchi>...
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:07:50 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404011207.7292062e@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote in message
news:<c4gcf8$2ivm2m$1@ID-216353.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products in
Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market if
Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product to
Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant in
Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling a
competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This profit is
returned to the USA where it is invested in the local economy, partially
in the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business from
there, instead of closing it's doors?
One of the big problems being that we don't tax the profits if they don't
bring the money back here. Which means they have incentive to move
*everything they can out of the US and leave nothing but a holding
corporation here...
Which is exactly what companies will do - move their entire companies
overseas - if we punish them for trying to be profitable as Kerry
suggests.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Apr 2004 07:35:41 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:17:47 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404021717.4c06a937@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.04.01.22.03.18.930325@hoo.com-amikchi>...
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:07:50 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404011207.7292062e@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote in message
news:<c4gcf8$2ivm2m$1@ID-216353.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are
overseas. FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS
while keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten
bootie. And of course this entire time John Kerry is making his
millions off of shipping jobs out of America to those overseas
Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products
in Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market
if Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product
to Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant
in Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling
a competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This
profit is returned to the USA where it is invested in the local
economy, partially in the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business from
there, instead of closing it's doors?
One of the big problems being that we don't tax the profits if they
don't bring the money back here. Which means they have incentive to move
*everything they can out of the US and leave nothing but a holding
corporation here...
Which is exactly what companies will do - move their entire companies
overseas - if we punish them for trying to be profitable as Kerry
suggests.
Wait. We should continue to give them incentives to leave the US so they
won't leave the US?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Each Hero Sues Ookie" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
03 Apr 2004 11:44:58 AM |
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On 4/2/04 5:35 PM, in article
pan.2004.04.03.01.35.37.952782@hoo.com-amikchi, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:17:47 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404021717.4c06a937@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.04.01.22.03.18.930325@hoo.com-amikchi>...
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:07:50 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404011207.7292062e@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote in message
news:<c4gcf8$2ivm2m$1@ID-216353.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are
overseas. FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS
while keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten
bootie. And of course this entire time John Kerry is making his
millions off of shipping jobs out of America to those overseas
Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products
in Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market
if Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product
to Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant
in Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling
a competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This
profit is returned to the USA where it is invested in the local
economy, partially in the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business from
there, instead of closing it's doors?
One of the big problems being that we don't tax the profits if they
don't bring the money back here. Which means they have incentive to move
*everything they can out of the US and leave nothing but a holding
corporation here...
Which is exactly what companies will do - move their entire companies
overseas - if we punish them for trying to be profitable as Kerry
suggests.
Wait. We should continue to give them incentives to leave the US so they
won't leave the US?
We aren't giving them incentives. They are outsourcing because labor is
cheaper overseas. If we punish them for doing that, they will move the rest
of their operations as well.
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| User: "Jack Stewart" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
03 Apr 2004 05:54:24 PM |
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In article <BC94381A.4AAD%EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com>,
EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com says...
On 4/2/04 5:35 PM, in article
pan.2004.04.03.01.35.37.952782@hoo.com-amikchi, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
We aren't giving them incentives. They are outsourcing because labor is
cheaper overseas. If we punish them for doing that, they will move the rest
of their operations as well.
To me politics is just like Heinz and Hunt. Both political
paries are Corporate Catchup. Here is what a semi-independent
and semi-Democratic economist has to say about Kerry's job/tax
plan.
Dean Baker is an economist who critiques the economic reporting of
The Washington Post and The New York Times. I thought that some of
you might be interested in his comments about Kerry's tax/job
plan.
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The Race On Pace
by Dean Baker co-director of the
Center for Economic and Policy Research
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10163
TOPIC: Kerry's Job Plan
ARTICLE #1
Kerry to Offer Cut in Corporate Taxes
by Jim VandeHei
The Washington Post, March 26, 2004
ARTICLE #2
Kerry to Propose Eliminating a Tax Break
on U.S. Companies' Overseas Profits
by Edmund L. Andrews and Jodi Wilgoren
The New York Times, March 26, 2004
These articles report on a proposal from presumptive Democratic
presidential nominee John Kerry that would provide special tax
breaks to firms that create "new" jobs. As a practical matter, it is
virtually impossible to determine when a job is a new job. For
example, a corporation can create a new subsidiary and then transfer
many of its current employees to this subsidiary. Under Mr. Kerry's
proposal, these firms would likely be highly rewarded for this sort
of tax gaming, as would the accountants who design such mechanisms.
This is the reason that virtually all economists oppose this sort of
tax incentives.
The Post article also includes a reference to economic projections
that the U.S. economy will grow by 4.1 percent this year. It is
worth noting that the consensus forecast among the "Blue Chip"
forecasters for 2001 was 3.5 percent, with not a single forecaster
projecting a recession for the year. Actual growth for the year was
zero.
MY PERSONAL SUGGESTION WOULD BE
Let's Destroy the Two Party System.
If I was a boss who needed to hire
employees for my business, I would
certainly want the greatest level of
competition possible. I am not
a boss, but I still want the greatest
degree of competition possible for
my vote.
Therefore, I want to -
END THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system
No employer would stand for a system that,
whenever you tried to hire the most qualified
individual, you would tend to end up employing
your worst nightmare!
I am not an employer, but I still wish to
elect the candidate of my choice, rather than
the "lesser of two evils."
Therefore, I want to
END THE SPOILER EFFECT.
http://www.fairvote.org/spoiler/
Most U.S. citizens don't hire employees, all they have is
democracy! Americans citizens need political parties
and candidates that aren't afraid of competition!
FOR MORE INFO
Center for Voting and Democracy
Proportional Representation
http://www.fairvote.org/pr/index.html
Instant Runoff Voting
http://www.fairvote.org/irv/index.html
IRV Poll
Elect A Muppet CEO for Henson productions
http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=jjs666
END "LEGISLATIVE REAPPORTIONMENT"
AKA GERRYMANDERING.
Gerrymandering
Definition
http://www.fairvote.org/redistricting/gerrymandering.htm
Solution
http://www.fairvote.org/op_eds/mattersofprop.htm
Jack
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Apr 2004 04:19:53 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:44:58 -0800 in episode
<BC94381A.4AAD%EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com> we saw our hero Each Hero
Sues Ookie <EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com>:
On 4/2/04 5:35 PM, in article
pan.2004.04.03.01.35.37.952782@hoo.com-amikchi, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:17:47 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404021717.4c06a937@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.04.01.22.03.18.930325@hoo.com-amikchi>...
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:07:50 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404011207.7292062e@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote in message
news:<c4gcf8$2ivm2m$1@ID-216353.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are
overseas. FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS
while keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten
bootie. And of course this entire time John Kerry is making his
millions off of shipping jobs out of America to those overseas
Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their
products in Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import
duties make it impossible to compete against local Australian
products in the market if Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and
ship the finished product to Australia, so instead of abandoning the
market they set up a plant in Australia, using local raw materials
and local labour, and selling a competitive end product to the local
market at a profit. This profit is returned to the USA where it is
invested in the local economy, partially in the form of five homes
worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business
from there, instead of closing it's doors?
One of the big problems being that we don't tax the profits if they
don't bring the money back here. Which means they have incentive to
move *everything they can out of the US and leave nothing but a
holding corporation here...
Which is exactly what companies will do - move their entire companies
overseas - if we punish them for trying to be profitable as Kerry
suggests.
Wait. We should continue to give them incentives to leave the US so they
won't leave the US?
We aren't giving them incentives. They are outsourcing because labor is
cheaper overseas. If we punish them for doing that, they will move the
rest of their operations as well.
We don't tax profits made outside the US by US corporations so long as
they do NOT bring the money into the country. So why bring profits back to
invest *here? Better to start moving everything you can off shore and
avoid as much tax as possible.
Especially given that if you move a major operation to a developing
country, they're more likely to be flexible on taxes and you might end up
with totally tax free profits.
By the way, you're still saying that we can't do anything about them
leaving because they'll leave...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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03 Apr 2004 05:55:06 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.04.03.22.19.50.743490@hoo.com-amikchi>,
y@hoo.com-amikchi says...
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:44:58 -0800 in episode
<BC94381A.4AAD%EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com> we saw our hero Each Hero
Sues Ookie <EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com>:
We don't tax profits made outside the US by US corporations so long as
they do NOT bring the money into the country. So why bring profits back to
invest *here? Better to start moving everything you can off shore and
avoid as much tax as possible.
Especially given that if you move a major operation to a developing
country, they're more likely to be flexible on taxes and you might end up
with totally tax free profits.
By the way, you're still saying that we can't do anything about them
leaving because they'll leave...
To me politics is just like Heinz and Hunt. Both are Corporate
Catchup. Here is what a semi-independent and semi-Democratic
economist has to say about Kerry's job/tax plan.
Dean Baker is an economist who critiques the economic reporting of
The Washington Post and The New York Times. I thought that some of
you might be interested in his comments about Kerry's tax/job
plan.
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The Race On Pace
by Dean Baker co-director of the
Center for Economic and Policy Research
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10163
TOPIC: Kerry's Job Plan
ARTICLE #1
Kerry to Offer Cut in Corporate Taxes
by Jim VandeHei
The Washington Post, March 26, 2004
ARTICLE #2
Kerry to Propose Eliminating a Tax Break
on U.S. Companies' Overseas Profits
by Edmund L. Andrews and Jodi Wilgoren
The New York Times, March 26, 2004
These articles report on a proposal from presumptive Democratic
presidential nominee John Kerry that would provide special tax
breaks to firms that create "new" jobs. As a practical matter, it is
virtually impossible to determine when a job is a new job. For
example, a corporation can create a new subsidiary and then transfer
many of its current employees to this subsidiary. Under Mr. Kerry's
proposal, these firms would likely be highly rewarded for this sort
of tax gaming, as would the accountants who design such mechanisms.
This is the reason that virtually all economists oppose this sort of
tax incentives.
The Post article also includes a reference to economic projections
that the U.S. economy will grow by 4.1 percent this year. It is
worth noting that the consensus forecast among the "Blue Chip"
forecasters for 2001 was 3.5 percent, with not a single forecaster
projecting a recession for the year. Actual growth for the year was
zero.
MY PERSONAL SUGGESTION WOULD BE:
Let's Destroy the Two Party System.
If I was a boss who needed to hire
employees for my business, I would
certainly want the greatest level of
competition possible. I am not
a boss, but I still want the greatest
degree of competition possible for
my vote.
Therefore, I want to -
END THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system
No employer would stand for a system that,
whenever you tried to hire the most qualified
individual, you would tend to end up employing
your worst nightmare!
I am not an employer, but I still wish to
elect the candidate of my choice, rather than
the "lesser of two evils."
Therefore, I want to
END THE SPOILER EFFECT.
http://www.fairvote.org/spoiler/
Most U.S. citizens don't hire employees, all they have is
democracy! Americans citizens need political parties
and candidates that aren't afraid of competition!
FOR MORE INFO
Center for Voting and Democracy
Proportional Representation
http://www.fairvote.org/pr/index.html
Instant Runoff Voting
http://www.fairvote.org/irv/index.html
IRV Poll
Elect A Muppet CEO for Henson productions
http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=jjs666
END "LEGISLATIVE REAPPORTIONMENT"
AKA GERRYMANDERING.
Gerrymandering
Definition
http://www.fairvote.org/redistricting/gerrymandering.htm
Solution
http://www.fairvote.org/op_eds/mattersofprop.htm
Jack
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04 Apr 2004 10:14:37 PM |
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On 4/3/04 3:19 PM, in article
pan.2004.04.03.22.19.50.743490@hoo.com-amikchi, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:44:58 -0800 in episode
<BC94381A.4AAD%EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com> we saw our hero Each Hero
Sues Ookie <EachHeroSuesOokie@hotmail.com>:
On 4/2/04 5:35 PM, in article
pan.2004.04.03.01.35.37.952782@hoo.com-amikchi, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:17:47 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404021717.4c06a937@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.04.01.22.03.18.930325@hoo.com-amikchi>...
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:07:50 -0800 in episode
<3965eb5d.0404011207.7292062e@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
caddyshack_al@my-deja.com (Al):
"Sara Brum" <sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote in message
news:<c4gcf8$2ivm2m$1@ID-216353.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are
overseas. FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS
while keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten
bootie. And of course this entire time John Kerry is making his
millions off of shipping jobs out of America to those overseas
Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their
products in Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import
duties make it impossible to compete against local Australian
products in the market if Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and
ship the finished product to Australia, so instead of abandoning the
market they set up a plant in Australia, using local raw materials
and local labour, and selling a competitive end product to the local
market at a profit. This profit is returned to the USA where it is
invested in the local economy, partially in the form of five homes
worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
How is this different than an American textile manufacturer that
outsources to Malaysia, because it's cheaper there to do business
from there, instead of closing it's doors?
One of the big problems being that we don't tax the profits if they
don't bring the money back here. Which means they have incentive to
move *everything they can out of the US and leave nothing but a
holding corporation here...
Which is exactly what companies will do - move their entire companies
overseas - if we punish them for trying to be profitable as Kerry
suggests.
Wait. We should continue to give them incentives to leave the US so they
won't leave the US?
We aren't giving them incentives. They are outsourcing because labor is
cheaper overseas. If we punish them for doing that, they will move the
rest of their operations as well.
We don't tax profits made outside the US by US corporations so long as
they do NOT bring the money into the country. So why bring profits back to
invest *here? Better to start moving everything you can off shore and
avoid as much tax as possible.
There are still things in the US that can't be done, or can't be done as
well overseas. Like engineering. Circuit boards are designed in the US,
fabricated in China and imported back into the US.
Especially given that if you move a major operation to a developing
country, they're more likely to be flexible on taxes and you might end up
with totally tax free profits.
You don't have SS, pensions, etc. It's a great deal to use labor overseas.
By the way, you're still saying that we can't do anything about them
leaving because they'll leave...
We can't keep them here. But like all the jobs lost because of automation
and because of computers, these cost saving measures give our corporations
more money and more opportunity to try something new. Ergo our employment
rate is still rather high relative to history.
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03 Apr 2004 07:32:05 PM |
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Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HALLIBURTON!
Oh, we can't. They don't MAKE anything.
Except DEATH.
--
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
"Bubba got a *****, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
George "The AWOL President" Bush: http://www.awolbush.com/
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
VOTE HIM OUT! November 4, 2004
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| User: "Obwon" |
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01 Apr 2004 01:28:08 PM |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:21:04 +1000, "Sara Brum"
<sarabrum@medulla.com> wrote:
"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Ok, so Heinz market research says there's a market for their products in
Australia, for example. Shipping costs, and import duties make it
impossible to compete against local Australian products in the market if
Heinz were to manufacture in the USA and ship the finished product to
Australia, so instead of abandoning the market they set up a plant in
Australia, using local raw materials and local labour, and selling a
competitive end product to the local market at a profit. This profit is
returned to the USA where it is invested in the local economy, partially in
the form of five homes worth $33 million.
Where's the problem?
The problem is that he won't start more wars for oil, he
probably won't help the fat cats make billions by keeping the
budget busting tax cut bandwagon going. He probably won't even
start wars with weaker nations with valuable raw materials we can
use and heaven-forefend, he may even start paying down the
deficit... again!
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| User: "Jez" |
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01 Apr 2004 05:07:32 AM |
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"Wayne Clark" <wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK> wrote in message
news:ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com...
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies
"Benedict Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his
billionaire wife have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while
keeping FIVE homes worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And
of course this entire time John Kerry is making his millions off of
shipping jobs out of America to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
What 'Left-wing media'? The USA doesn't have any !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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31 Mar 2004 11:12:04 PM |
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BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the
Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final
passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted
on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would
clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever
being settled. He preferred to support the existing
international claims tribunals. Since passing the
law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into
effect because the Bush administration, and the
Clinton administration before it has blocked it
from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which
favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time,
called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial,
Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]
http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/archives/week_2004_03_14.html
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| User: "E.E.Bud Keith" |
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01 Apr 2004 01:11:07 AM |
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"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7Kqdnem1v-o9PvbdRVn-vw@comcast.com...
BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the
Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final
passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted
on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would
clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever
being settled. He preferred to support the existing
international claims tribunals. Since passing the
law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into
effect because the Bush administration, and the
Clinton administration before it has blocked it
from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which
favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time,
called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial,
Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]
It does not matter how many times he voted for a bill prior to the final
vote In this case he voted against the bill on the final vote, which is the
only vote that counts. Regardless of his reasons for doing so the FACT is he
voted against the bill. And it does not matter what the Miami Hearald says
about the bill, JOHN KERRY VOTED AGAINST IT. And no amount of preverse logic
can change that FACT.
You dim wits are draging us back to the same kind of stupid debate where
Clinton argued Blow Jobs were not sex ILLOGICAL
http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/archives/week_2004_03_14.html
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Apr 2004 07:32:19 AM |
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"E.E.Bud Keith" <budk101@comcast.net> wrote
Regardless of his reasons for doing so the FACT
is he voted against the bill.
Nobody holds themselves to that standard, not even you.
If I want to a new tv, but don't like the price, that doesn't
mean I'm against a new tv. Heck, it doesn't even mean I'm
against the particular tv I was looking at. It means I'm
against the price.
If a bill does something popular or (we hope) necessary,
and it's defeated because of any number of nasty provisions
or riders, the bill will be reintroduced without those nasty
provisions and/or riders.
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| User: "Marguerita" |
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02 Apr 2004 08:14:54 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:11:07 -0600, "E.E.Bud Keith"
<budk101@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7Kqdnem1v-o9PvbdRVn-vw@comcast.com...
BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the
Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final
passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted
on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would
clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever
being settled. He preferred to support the existing
international claims tribunals. Since passing the
law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into
effect because the Bush administration, and the
Clinton administration before it has blocked it
from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which
favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time,
called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial,
Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]
It does not matter how many times he voted for a bill prior to the final
vote In this case he voted against the bill on the final vote, which is the
only vote that counts. Regardless of his reasons for doing so the FACT is he
voted against the bill. And it does not matter what the Miami Hearald says
about the bill, JOHN KERRY VOTED AGAINST IT. And no amount of preverse logic
can change that FACT.
The reasons why he voted against it are important, unless you consider
voting in a piece of fundamentally flawed legislation a good thing.
People often vote against legislation because it does not go far
enough... that doesn't mean they have changed their minds, just that
they want the legislation to be altered before they are prepared to
support it.
M
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| User: "GOP in 2004" |
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02 Apr 2004 08:01:13 AM |
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"Marguerita" <marguerita@hottermail.co.uk> wrote
The reasons why he voted against it are important,
unless you consider voting in a piece of
fundamentally flawed legislation a good thing.
It is, if you're a Republican.
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| User: "Shel Scott WellDone" |
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01 Apr 2004 11:57:32 PM |
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"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
Fact is, Kerry voted against the bill.
FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the
Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final
passage in 1996
<period>
Ergo, Kerry voted against the bill.
Quite straight forward, really. You Democrats are all wet.
Thanks for playing.
--
): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :(
(: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :)
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| User: "JTEM" |
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02 Apr 2004 04:25:42 AM |
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"Shel Scott" <WellDone> wrote
"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
Fact is, Kerry voted against the bill.
Actually, he voted against the bill AS AMENDED.
He supported the bill before the house Republicans
AMENDED it to include a really stupid plan that both
Clinton & Bush have refused to impliment.
Ergo, Kerry voted against the bill.
Actually, he voted against the AMENDED version.
If the AMENDED version had died it would have been
re-introduced without the AMENDMENT, and the
American tax payers would not have been asked to settle
for "Second-best."
Quite straight forward, really.
Exactly. People like you think the American people should
accept whatever the Republicans shove down their throat.
You think the American people have to accept bad legislation.
You Democrats are all wet.
Thanks for playing.
--
): "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" :(
(: Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net :)
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| User: "Bill Bonde Not the man who knows everything, just the man who knowsthe important things " |
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01 Apr 2004 02:53:43 PM |
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Bush 2004 wrote:
BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the
Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final
passage in 1996
Isn't that typical of Kerry. He votes for and against every piece of
legislation then he can claim both sides later.
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| User: "Steven Litvintchouk" |
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01 Apr 2004 02:19:30 PM |
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Bush 2004 wrote:
BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the
Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final
passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted
on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would
clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever
being settled. He preferred to support the existing
international claims tribunals. Since passing the
law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into
effect because the Bush administration, and the
Clinton administration before it has blocked it
from taking effect.
Then Kerry should have voted for the law, since the lawsuit provision he
objected too has never gone into effect, meaning that his concerns about
it were unwarranted.
In fact, Clinton could have told Kerry that was going to happen, if
Kerry was willing to listen.
-- Steven L.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Apr 2004 06:22:42 PM |
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"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote
Then Kerry should have voted for the law, since the lawsuit
provision he objected too has never gone into effect,
He should have voted for the law because of something that
did not happen yet, and there was no way of foreseeing it?
That makes sense to you?
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| User: "Arizona Bushwhacker" |
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31 Mar 2004 11:12:42 PM |
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Speaking of Cuba, when does that idiot in the White
House plan to invade??? I hear Cuba will drill for oil
in the Caribbean. You know Bush will want that oil at
any cost as long as it isn't his kids paying the price.
Just everyone else's kids.
"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7Kqdnem1v-o9PvbdRVn-vw@comcast.com...
BUSH FICTION: John Kerry misstated his own
position on Cuba, saying that he voted for Helms
Burton when he didn't.
FACT: In 1995 John Kerry voted twice for the
Helms Burton law; but voted against it on final
passage in 1996 when House Republicans insisted
on an unworkable lawsuit provision that would
clog our courts and prevent some claims from ever
being settled. He preferred to support the existing
international claims tribunals. Since passing the
law, the lawsuit provision has never gone into
effect because the Bush administration, and the
Clinton administration before it has blocked it
from taking effect. The Miami Herald, which
favored passage of Cuban sanctions at the time,
called the lawsuit provisions "perverse." [Editorial,
Miami Herald, 10/20/1995]
http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/archives/week_2004_03_14.html
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| User: "M C" |
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01 Apr 2004 01:20:35 AM |
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"Arizona Bushwhacker" <azbushwhacher@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7xNac.18507$Q45.1688@fed1read02...
Speaking of Cuba, when does that idiot in the White
House plan to invade??? I hear Cuba will drill for oil
in the Caribbean. You know Bush will want that oil at
any cost as long as it isn't his kids paying the price.
Just everyone else's kids.
Illegal as it would be, it would be the best thing for Cuba if we just
removed their cigar chomping dictator from power. I guess he serves as a
good example of how socialism fucks it's people.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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31 Mar 2004 11:36:19 PM |
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"M C" <mcunix@swbell.net> wrote
Illegal as it would be, it would be the best thing
for Cuba if we just removed their cigar chomping
dictator from power. I guess he serves as a good
example of how socialism fucks it's people.
Unfortunately, you're wrong. Cuba demonstrates the
failure of U.S. policy, not socialism.
As bad as things are in Cuba -- and, let's face it, they
are bad -- the average Cuban is better off than they
were under the corrupt & brutal regime that Castro
replaced.
U.S. foreign policy *Never* once sought to offer the
Cuban people a better alternative to Castro, hence his
rather lengthy & steady rule. What our government in
it's infinite wisdom had sought was a return to the very
same form of government that the Cuban people had
over-thrown.
Castro came to power in a POPULARLY SUPPORTED
revolution. Instead of concentrating on Castro's failures,
what our foreign policy needed to do was concentrate on
why Castro had that support in the first place.
Castro was never that good, you're right, but he didn't have
to be. All that he had to do in order to maintain his grip
on power was to stay (at least) one better than the people
he replaced, the people the U.S. sought to re-install.
That wasn't difficult, or so all these decades have shown.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: CUBA! |
01 Apr 2004 12:11:47 AM |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:20:35 -0800 the ET form known as M
C<mcunix@swbell.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of
deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <azbushwhacher@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7xNac.18507$Q45.1688@fed1read02...
Speaking of Cuba, when does that idiot in the White
House plan to invade??? I hear Cuba will drill for oil
in the Caribbean. You know Bush will want that oil at
any cost as long as it isn't his kids paying the price.
Just everyone else's kids.
Illegal as it would be, it would be the best thing for Cuba if we just
removed their cigar chomping dictator from power. I guess he serves as a
good example of how socialism fucks it's people.
You're mad!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS! |
01 Apr 2004 04:01:52 PM |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:14:14 -0500 in episode
<ck5n605ts3h3aspu5mhl83ns8httencm1u@4ax.com> we saw our hero Wayne Clark
<wlclark@N0T.N1T.W1T.0RK>:
TIME TO BOYCOTT HEINZ CATCHUP AND RELATED PRODUCTS!
Kerry Shipping Jobs Overseas!
Well it seems that out of 79 Heinz factories, 57 of them are overseas.
FIFTY-SEVEN!!!!!!
Kerry the lying liberal, America-hater calls American companies "Benedict
Arnold" companies who have jobs overseas, yet he and his billionaire wife
have sent more than 2/3 of their jobs OVERSEAS while keeping FIVE homes
worth $33 million on their ill gotten bootie. And of course this entire
time John Kerry is making his millions off of shipping jobs out of America
to those overseas Heinz factories!
Have you heard about this from the left-wing media? Yea, right.
Having plants overseas doesn't mean a company has been shipping jobs
overseas. You need more to back up your claim than this...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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