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"Truth Hunter" |
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07 Nov 2004 08:04:23 AM |
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To believe Jesus is God |
To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
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DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
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07 Nov 2004 08:13:18 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
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DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
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| User: "kathryn" |
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07 Nov 2004 09:13:58 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411070604.63769a2a@posting.google.com...
To believe Jesus is God
You need to of been sucked in to believing christianity?
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07 Nov 2004 11:36:12 AM |
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:13:58 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411070604.63769a2a@posting.google.com...
To believe Jesus is God
You need to of been sucked in to believing christianity?
Are you a Muslim?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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08 Nov 2004 04:08:47 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:13:58 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411070604.63769a2a@posting.google.com...
To believe Jesus is God
You need to of been sucked in to believing christianity?
Are you a Muslim?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
This is what he wrote way back..... is he a moslem..... You bet.....
From: Truth Hunter (hunter77099@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Explosives in Shoes - CIA Movie
View: Complete Thread (76 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.security.terrorism, alt.current-events.wtc-explosion,
alt.politics.economics, alt.prophecies.nostradamus, alt.religion.islam
Date: 2001-12-25 05:20:00 PST
Power Of Islam
THE DRAW OF ISLAM
http://www.iiie.net/Articles/DrawOfIslam.html
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Mercy
Quran3.31 Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you
and forgive you
your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Quran4.110 If any one does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards
seeks Allah's
forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran4.112. But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to
one that is
innocent, he carries (on himself) (both) a falsehood and a flagrant
sin.
Quran4.152 To those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make
no distinction
between any of the messengers, we shall soon give their (due) rewards:
for
Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran5.74 Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For
Allah is Oft-
forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran6.165 It is He Who hath made you the inheritors of the earth: He
hath raised
you in ranks, some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He
hath given
you: for thy Lord is quick in punishment: yet He is indeed
Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.
(This is our theological position as to why some people are born
disadvantaged)
Quran7.153 But those who do wrong but repent thereafter and (truly)
believe,- verily
thy Lord is thereafter Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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There are hundreds of similar verses. The whole essence of Islam is
mercy and
forgivness, indeed, He (swt) states that it is better to forgive a
murderer
than punish him and satisfy you lust for revenge. The whole of Islam
is summed
up by a hadith :
Hadith Qudsi 34:
On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I
heard the
Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Allah the Almighty said:
O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall
forgive you
for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your
sins to
reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of
Me, I would
forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as
great as
the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I
would
bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The world is green and beautiful, and
Allah has appointed you as His stewards over it. He sees how you
acquit yourselves."
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07 Nov 2004 04:13:03 PM |
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"maroc" <maroc@gib.com> wrote in message
news:2v761uF2hchreU1@uni-berlin.de...
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:13:58 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411070604.63769a2a@posting.google.com...
To believe Jesus is God
You need to of been sucked in to believing christianity?
Are you a Muslim?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
This is what he wrote way back..... is he a moslem..... You bet.....
From: Truth Hunter (hunter77099@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Explosives in Shoes - CIA Movie
View: Complete Thread (76 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.security.terrorism, alt.current-events.wtc-explosion,
alt.politics.economics, alt.prophecies.nostradamus, alt.religion.islam
Date: 2001-12-25 05:20:00 PST
Power Of Islam
THE DRAW OF ISLAM
http://www.iiie.net/Articles/DrawOfIslam.html
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Mercy
Quran3.31 Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you
and forgive you
your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Quran4.110 If any one does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards
seeks Allah's
forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran4.112. But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to
one that is
innocent, he carries (on himself) (both) a falsehood and a flagrant
sin.
Quran4.152 To those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make
no distinction
between any of the messengers, we shall soon give their (due) rewards:
for
Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran5.74 Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For
Allah is Oft-
forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran6.165 It is He Who hath made you the inheritors of the earth: He
hath raised
you in ranks, some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He
hath given
you: for thy Lord is quick in punishment: yet He is indeed
Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.
(This is our theological position as to why some people are born
disadvantaged)
Quran7.153 But those who do wrong but repent thereafter and (truly)
believe,- verily
thy Lord is thereafter Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
==================================================================
There are hundreds of similar verses. The whole essence of Islam is
mercy and
forgivness, indeed, He (swt) states that it is better to forgive a
murderer
than punish him and satisfy you lust for revenge. The whole of Islam
is summed
up by a hadith :
Hadith Qudsi 34:
On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I
heard the
Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Allah the Almighty said:
O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall
forgive you
for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your
sins to
reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of
Me, I would
forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as
great as
the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I
would
bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The world is green and beautiful, and
Allah has appointed you as His stewards over it. He sees how you
acquit yourselves."
I've always heard that Jesus is God who walked amoung men.
Trey
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09 Nov 2004 01:00:57 PM |
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Bob Winslow wrote:
"maroc" <maroc@gib.com> wrote in message
news:2v761uF2hchreU1@uni-berlin.de...
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The world is green and beautiful, and
Allah has appointed you as His stewards over it. He sees how you
acquit yourselves."
I've always heard that Jesus is God who walked amoung men.
I've always heard that Donald Duck lives in Duckburg.
RS
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09 Nov 2004 05:30:07 PM |
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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The world is green and beautiful, and Allah
has appointed you as His stewards over it. He sees how you acquit
yourselves."
I've always heard that Jesus is God who walked amoung men.
Richard Smol wrote:
I've always heard that Donald Duck lives in Duckburg.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
What's that gummy stuff running out of your head? I bet you can't hear
anything. Yuck.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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07 Nov 2004 05:53:32 PM |
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:08:47 -0800, "maroc" <maroc@gib.com> wrote:
Are you a Muslim?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
This is what he wrote way back..... is he a moslem..... You bet.....
He names himself Katherine?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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08 Nov 2004 12:42:42 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:13:58 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0411070604.63769a2a@posting.google.com...
To believe Jesus is God
You need to of been sucked in to believing christianity?
Are you a Muslim?
More to the point......are you a human ?
'Cos you sure as ***** don't sound like one.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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07 Nov 2004 08:58:53 AM |
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In article <e164e783.0411070604.63769a2a@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com says...
To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
*============================================================================*
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
*============================================================================*
God has no birth no death. Jesus has birth and death. Jesus could never be
god. Why God will come down to earth in human form to forgive human sins when
he can do everything without being seen. Did he need a helper in the form of an
Assistant God (God Forgive). Why would he need an Assistant God, 2004 years ago
when, according to scientists, the earth is here for the last 2.6 billion years
and human beings are here for many million years. This is just putting God in a
box saying he can not do certain thing without coming to earth in a human form.
That is what Hindus believe, Rama and Krishna are gods in human form
Jesus was Mighty Messenger or Prophet of God. He was created by God without
father from his mother Virgin Mary. He performed miracles by the power of God
the same way as Moses performed miracles. He was bodily raised to heaven and he
lives there and will return to earth one day.
God does not worship God nor God prays to God but Jesus worshipped God and
prayed to his God.
Jesus asked for God's help.Jesus said when put on cross: "Eli, Eli, Lama
Sabachthani ?" which means, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me ?"
Matthew 27:46.
Jesus worshipped God and prayed to God because God was his God and he was not
himself God. If Jesus was indeed God, He would speak loudly and clearly the way
God spoke to Moses "I am God".......There is not a single verse in the Holy
Bible saying that Jesus (peace on him) said "I am God" or "Worship me".
Not all Christians regard Jesus as God. Hear what Rev. Phipps, the Moderator of
United Church said:
'I don't believe Jesus was God'
United Church's new moderator rejects Bible as history book........Rev Bill
Phipps.
Visit the following site for full details:
http://www.igs.net/~tonyc/mod1.html
The following verses clearly proves God is one, not multiple:
ISAIAH
"Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I,
am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isaiah 43:10-11).
"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isaiah
44:6).
"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" (Isaiah 44:8).
"I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24).
"There is none beside me. I am the LORD and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:6).
"There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside
me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and
there is none else" (Isaiah 45:21-22).
"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am
God, and there is none like me" (Isaiah 46:9).
"I will not give my glory unto another" (Isaiah 48:11; see also Isaiah 42:8).
"O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art
the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made
heaven and earth" (Isaiah 37:16).
"O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art
the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made
heaven and earth" (Isaiah 37:16).
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08 Nov 2004 12:42:06 PM |
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internetpal wrote:
In article <e164e783.0411070604.63769a2a@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com says...
To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
*============================================================================*
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
*============================================================================*
God has no birth no death.
No such creature exists.
Jesus has birth and death. Jesus could never be
god. Why God will come down to earth in human form to forgive human sins when
Bollocks.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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07 Nov 2004 12:01:23 PM |
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No one made by the eternal breath of God can die. We will all live
eternal in heaven or hell. Christ suffered physical death, even as we
all do. We all will live again eternally. Christ is the first born of
this resurrection.
K.C.
http://providential-plan.com/providence.html
Truth Hunter wrote:
To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
*============================================================================*
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
*============================================================================*
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07 Nov 2004 01:32:05 PM |
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"K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1099850483.534772.180090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
No one made by the eternal breath of God can die. We will all live
eternal in heaven or hell. Christ suffered physical death, even as we
all do. We all will live again eternally. Christ is the first born of
this resurrection.
Are you a sinner?
Are you suggesting we should listen to a sinner and believe what they say?
What are you suggesting?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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08 Nov 2004 09:57:59 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1099850483.534772.180090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
No one made by the eternal breath of God can die. We will all live
eternal in heaven or hell. Christ suffered physical death, even as
we
all do. We all will live again eternally. Christ is the first
born of
this resurrection.
Are you a sinner?
Are you suggesting we should listen to a sinner and believe what they
say?
What are you suggesting?
"If you will not hear the truth, no one can tell you." - Pilate's wife
in Passion of the Christ.
K.C.
http://providential-plan.com/providence.html
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08 Nov 2004 11:24:58 AM |
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"K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1099929479.205125.229320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Denis Loubet wrote:
"K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1099850483.534772.180090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
No one made by the eternal breath of God can die. We will all live
eternal in heaven or hell. Christ suffered physical death, even as
we
all do. We all will live again eternally. Christ is the first
born of
this resurrection.
Are you a sinner?
Are you suggesting we should listen to a sinner and believe what they
say?
What are you suggesting?
"If you will not hear the truth,
How could I possibly know the truth even if I heard it?
Do you have an objective test I can perform that will establish
unambiguously that what you are saying is the truth, and not a lie from the
supposed devil?
no one can tell you." - Pilate's wife
in Passion of the Christ.
Then stop talking.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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07 Nov 2004 03:27:43 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2004 10:01:23 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
No one made by the eternal breath of God can die. We will all live
eternal in heaven or hell. Christ suffered physical death, even as we
all do. We all will live again eternally. Christ is the first born of
this resurrection.
Only in the deluded fantasies of in-your-face morons like you.
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16 Nov 2004 07:56:18 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2004 06:04:23 -0800, (Truth Hunter)
wrote:
To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Bumper Sticker
*============================================================================*
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
*============================================================================*
who looks after heaven why God is upon the earth?
www.jaimz.ca
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07 Nov 2004 11:34:47 AM |
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On 7 Nov 2004 06:04:23 -0800, (Truth Hunter) wrote:
To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
God can't die, but he can elect to become fully man. That he did in the person of Jesus
Christ.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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07 Nov 2004 11:41:37 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:q3nso0tmktti8fkv166dk36i7c43eo8sbf@4ax.com...
On 7 Nov 2004 06:04:23 -0800, (Truth Hunter) wrote:
To believe Jesus is God
In order to believe that Jesus is God, rather than One with God,you
diminish God by implying He could die, or that He would live with us
as an equal instead of as our sovereign.
God can't die, but he can elect to become fully man. That he did in the
person of Jesus
Christ.
So he's dead.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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07 Nov 2004 12:42:23 PM |
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So he's dead.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
not according to the bible.....it states that 3 days later he resurrected
from the dead but one would have to believe the bible to be true I do but
that doesn't mean you do.
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07 Nov 2004 01:30:35 PM |
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"Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:j0ujd.173040$Np3.7019462@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
So he's dead.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
not according to the bible.....it states that 3 days later he resurrected
from the dead but one would have to believe the bible to be true I do but
that doesn't mean you do.
I don't, and I'm trying to show why others shouldn't.
So, the Jesus character was NOT fully human. Humans don't rise from the
dead.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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08 Nov 2004 12:02:52 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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So he's dead.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
not according to the bible.....it states that 3 days later he
resurrected
from the dead but one would have to believe the bible to be true I do
but
that doesn't mean you do.
I don't, and I'm trying to show why others shouldn't.
So, the Jesus character was NOT fully human. Humans don't rise from the
dead.
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well according the Bible Lazarus was risen from the dead by Jesus and
Christians firmly believe that when we die coporially we are resurected
spiritually. You may not follow the teachings of Jesus but Jesus did exist
in history and it is documented outside of the bible that he performed
miracles and if he was such a nice guy why would he try to be a deceiver in
claiming that the only way to heaven was through him?
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| User: "Dave Lister" |
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| Title: Re: To believe Jesus is God |
08 Nov 2004 10:38:26 PM |
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"Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in
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well according the Bible Lazarus was risen from the dead by Jesus and
Christians firmly believe that when we die coporially we are
resurected spiritually. You may not follow the teachings of Jesus but
Jesus did exist in history and it is documented outside of the bible
that he performed miracles and if he was such a nice guy why would he
try to be a deceiver in claiming that the only way to heaven was
through him?
He didn't. The men trying to control the Roman Empire made that crap up to
use him.
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Bush is not my President.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: To believe Jesus is God |
08 Nov 2004 01:35:42 AM |
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"Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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So he's dead.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
not according to the bible.....it states that 3 days later he
resurrected
from the dead but one would have to believe the bible to be true I do
but
that doesn't mean you do.
I don't, and I'm trying to show why others shouldn't.
So, the Jesus character was NOT fully human. Humans don't rise from the
dead.
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well according the Bible Lazarus was risen from the dead by Jesus
Yes, supposedly. That was something done TO him.
and
Christians firmly believe that when we die coporially we are resurected
spiritually.
That's irrelevant to physically.
You may not follow the teachings of Jesus but Jesus did exist
in history and it is documented outside of the bible that he performed
miracles
Well, that's a big lie, unless you can point us to these documents.
and if he was such a nice guy why would he try to be a deceiver in
claiming that the only way to heaven was through him?
Let's establish that he exists first before trying to second guess his
motives, shall we?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Jerric" |
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| Title: Re: To believe Jesus is God |
08 Nov 2004 12:30:27 PM |
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Let's establish that he exists first before trying to second guess his
motives, shall we?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Ask any intelligent historian and they will tell you the man Jesus of
Nazareth existed....I'm not a historian so I can't quote the books there's
been countless shows on Discovery and millions of books on the subject. Are
all those people writing and talking about a fictional character?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: To believe Jesus is God |
08 Nov 2004 03:13:32 PM |
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"Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Let's establish that he exists first before trying to second guess his
motives, shall we?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Ask any intelligent historian and they will tell you the man Jesus of
Nazareth existed....
Why? There's one, and only one source, the bible. And it's second hand.
There are no contemporary mentions of Jesus in any archeological document.
There are mentions of Christians, but no one disputes the existence of
Christians.
I'm not a historian so I can't quote the books there's
been countless shows on Discovery and millions of books on the subject.
Are
all those people writing and talking about a fictional character?
Yes. The shows and books are all playing with the single secondhand source,
and trying to rationalize and mold it into a coherent story and message to
justify their beliefs.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Jerric" |
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08 Nov 2004 11:10:49 PM |
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Yes. The shows and books are all playing with the single secondhand
source,
and trying to rationalize and mold it into a coherent story and message to
justify their beliefs.
so you're saying that there are no artifactual evidence of an existence of
Jesus?
and someone writing about knowing someone (actually having several writers
saying the same thing) means that they are lieing (sp?) unless there is
archeological evidence to back up their words?
Wow
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: To believe Jesus is God |
09 Nov 2004 01:24:01 AM |
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"Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Yes. The shows and books are all playing with the single secondhand
source,
and trying to rationalize and mold it into a coherent story and message
to
justify their beliefs.
so you're saying that there are no artifactual evidence of an existence of
Jesus?
That too.
and someone writing about knowing someone (actually having several writers
saying the same thing) means that they are lieing (sp?) unless there is
archeological evidence to back up their words?
Since the stories we have were not written until generations had passed
since the purported events, by authors unknown, and don't corroborate each
other, then yeah, I'd kinda like some hard evidence.
Wow
I know, the gullibility of some people. It's amazing, isn't it.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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08 Nov 2004 04:43:51 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:30:27 GMT, "Jerric"
<jerric@nb.sympatico.ca> let us all know that:
Let's establish that he exists first before trying to second guess his
motives, shall we?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Ask any intelligent historian and they will tell you the man Jesus of
Nazareth existed
Ask any intelligent historian and they will tell you that
Nazareth didn't exist until 150ce.
Don
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Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: To believe Jesus is God |
08 Nov 2004 12:37:09 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:30:27 GMT, "Jerric" <jerric@nb.sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Let's establish that he exists first before trying to second guess his
motives, shall we?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
Ask any intelligent historian and they will tell you the man Jesus of
Nazareth existed....I'm not a historian so I can't quote the books there's
been countless shows on Discovery and millions of books on the subject. Are
all those people writing and talking about a fictional character?
In spite of the total lack of evidence that he did?
Is your definition of an intelligent historian, a gullible Christian?
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