Jason...without having to use word magic, I thought I'd use a little
bit of my time to teach you (in a very easy to understand way) where
the first fatal flaw in the christian belief lies. The flaw lies at
the root of the christian beliefs. Please read on if you're interested
and please feel free to say something if you want. But let me also say
that the fatal flaw in the christian belief is so obvious that any
truly logical child would be able to understand the following.... (ie
doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the obvious fatal flaw
in the christian teachings).

[Jason...my words to you from the other thread.....]

Jason...let me save you a lot of time by explaining to you how the
christian beliefs rips itself apart.

First...you should already know that you've been taught that your god
is all-knowing. You've also been taught that your god is a perfect
planner and perfect designer.

So....before god's product (the universe) was created...the universe
did not yet exist. This is completely obvious. Now....when the
universe was not yet in existence, your god was actually hanging
around by him/her/itself.

If nothing but god was around, and then god decided to choose to make
'something'....then it should be obvious to you that your god would
know every single future 'mechanical' action and movement of god's
future product. Why would god know every single future mechanical
action/movement of the product? It's because god is supposed to be
all-knowing, and god was the only one around that could have chosen
'those' mechanical actions by 'perfect planning and perfect design'.
The product wasn't even around to make any decisions....because it
wasn't even in existence. Thus the future actions of the product are
actually god's own 'actions'. The product would be nothing more than
an extension of god....since an all-knowing, perfect planning and
perfect designing god can NEVER make a product that would behave
differently than what god had perfectly planned in terms of mechanical
actions/movement....in advance of the product's creation. I'm sure you
understand this much so far.

Now...since every mechanical action/movement in god's product
(ie...the universe containing people, devil, etc etc) was already
chosen by god in advance of the product's creation, then NONE of god's
products can have free-will (call this Condition A).

But christians believe that people have free will (call this Condition
B). Condition B clashes with Condition A....and this actually shows
that the christian belief is fatally flawed.... ie the fatal flaw is
the belief that the following two conditions can co-exist.....the
first condition being that god is supposed to be all-knowing, perfect
planning and perfect designing.....the second condition is the belief
that people have free will. But unfortunately...an all-knowing,
perfect planning/designing entity (ie your 'god') knows every single
future mechanical action for the product before the product is
created. And the reason for knowing those future mechanical actions is
because the creator chose those future mechanical actions.....because
the product was not even there to have those 'known' future mechanical
actions determined. So the only THING that could have determined the
future mechanical actions in god's product was god
him/her/itself.......because as I already said....the product was not
part of the planning process (because it wasn't even around when god
was writing the script, and doing the choreography, and
directing/filming/producing the 'movie').

So....if you understand the fatal flaw in your christian belief, then
you should know that an all-knowing, perfect planning, and perfect
designing god can't make a product with free-will...since all the
mechanical actions have already been chosen in advance by god. And
such an entity (ie god) could never be upset or angry or sad about the
behaviour of the product...because all the mechanical actions were
known to god in advance of the product's creation (because god chose
those actions). In such such a universe created by an all-knowing,
perfect planning and perfect designing god, there is no 'right' and
'wrong', 'good', 'bad', and 'evil' etc....since the product's actions
are perfectly executed. And if such a 'god' decided to create anything
physically.....then god's observation of the product would be nothing
more than to watch a movie re-run....where the movie was
script-written, directed, filmed, and produced by god in advance. Thus
you can see that words like 'punishment', 'judgement day', 'sin' etc
all become irrelevant in such a world created by an all-knowing,
perfect planner/designer. Nothing the product does in terms of
mechanical actions would 'surprise' or 'upset' such a creator.

But if you believe that the product 'could' upset the creator...then
you're obviously thinking of a creator that has something
lacking.....such as lacking knowledge of some degree. But
unfortunately....this clashes with your belief that your god is
all-knowing.

Kenny