Religions > Atheism > TOBS: what took homosapien so long tom build a house, and cook food?
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21 Oct 2003 09:13:07 PM |
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TOBS: what took homosapien so long tom build a house, and cook food? |
Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge and use complex languages, appear suddenly in
the fossil record. Gould, in his book The Mismeasure of Man, notes:
"We have no evidence for biological change in brain size or structure
since Homo sapiens appeared in the fossil record some fifty thousand
years ago." Thus, the book The Universe Within asks: "What caused
evolution . . . to produce, as if overnight, modern humankind with its
highly special brain?" Evolution is unable to answer.
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| User: "Zachriel" |
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22 Oct 2003 06:52:08 AM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge and use complex languages, appear suddenly in
the fossil record. Gould, in his book The Mismeasure of Man, notes:
"We have no evidence for biological change in brain size or structure
since Homo sapiens appeared in the fossil record some fifty thousand
years ago." Thus, the book The Universe Within asks: "What caused
evolution . . . to produce, as if overnight, modern humankind with its
highly special brain?" Evolution is unable to answer.
If you looked at humans 50,000 years ago, you wouldn't be impressed.
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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| Title: Re: what took homosapien so long tom build a house, and cook food? |
22 Oct 2003 01:07:50 PM |
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"Zachriel" <angel@zachriel.com> wrote in message news:<2culb.1019$JR3.374796337@twister2.starband.net>...
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0310211813.6c6c9ca6@posting.google.com...
Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge and use complex languages, appear suddenly in
the fossil record. Gould, in his book The Mismeasure of Man, notes:
"We have no evidence for biological change in brain size or structure
since Homo sapiens appeared in the fossil record some fifty thousand
years ago." Thus, the book The Universe Within asks: "What caused
evolution . . . to produce, as if overnight, modern humankind with its
highly special brain?" Evolution is unable to answer.
If you looked at humans 50,000 years ago, you wouldn't be impressed.
per the fossil record, what would be a major difference ?
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: what took homosapien so long to build a house, and cook food? |
22 Oct 2003 05:31:21 PM |
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"mlw" <mlw@nospam.no> wrote in message news:ATBlb.55$mZ5.225@attbi_s54...
Frank Reichenbacher wrote:
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
Man could have been dropped here many thousands of years ago, coming from
a
more advanced civilization, but without technology, it would only take a
few generations to forget all that was known and focus on food, survival,
and sex.
interesting.. man was drop off.. this is an alternative not taught in
school.. why?
So, why did it take man so long? Because in the beginning, there was no
foundation, there may have been great thinking, but much of it was lost at
the time of death. Real progress didn't start to happen before language.
Humans are "improve-ers," we see an idea and build on it. We are not at
our
best with an empty page.
this kind of contradict your statement, of man comming from elsewhere. what
do you need to forget, to then improve?
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| User: "Budikka" |
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22 Oct 2003 09:16:20 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@bluegender.org> wrote in message news:<ZyDlb.335513$Pk.51895@news.easynews.com>
Who cares what he wrote? This incompetent, hypocritical, uneducated,
illiterate imbecile is a master at asking insane questions of others,
but failing 100% to respond adequately (or even at all) to the serious
challenges he gets in return. He ought to have gone into politics
instead of spending his worthless life posting ***** and lies on
the Internet.
1. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that regardless of what it is
classed as and regardless of whether it was or was not in the line to
birds, the archaeopteryx had pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of
reptile/dino and bird features and therefore represented an example of
a potential intermediate stage.
2. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the okapi is pretty much
what a transitional giraffe would have looked like.
3. I am *still waiting* for him to explain why something akin to a
mouse, could not change 300 genes over 60 million years to become
either human or a modern mouse.
4. I am *still waiting* for him to acknowledge that no evolutionist
has ever claimed that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles and
that argument from incredulity addressing this non-issue, no matter
how ancient it is, does not constitute a "colossal hole" in the Theory
of Evolution.
5. I am *still waiting* for him to acknowledge that creationist
letters published as a courtesy (or maybe as a source of amusement) in
_New Scientist_ are *not* the equivalent of peer-reviewed science
papers, no matter how ancient and misguided they are.
6. I am *still waiting* for him to post a **LIST** of these "colossal
holes" in the Theory of Evolution that he has been lying about since
August.
7. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the informally
peer-reviewed talk.origins archive is a valid reference, especially
when the articles to which I have repeatedly refered him are
themselves replete with references, many of which are to peer-reviewed
material.
8. I am *still waiting* for him to realize what a pathetic hypocrite
he is to demand peer-reviewed material of others when he has never
offered a single peer-reviewed reference himself - in fact, all he
essentially does offer is unreferenced and plagiarized argument from
incredulity.
9. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the article he offered
as a reference for his claim that 75% or human DNA is the same as that
of the banana actually stated that *up to* 30% *may be* similar.
10. I am *still waiting* for him to offer even one useful reference
for his subsequent and previous claims that we are 90% identical to a
banana in our DNA, 60% identical to a banana in our DNA, 50% identical
to a banana in our DNA.
Any response from Jabriol that does not respond competently (note,
snipping or running away are not considered to be adequate, or even
intelligent responses) to these questions will be a direct and open
admission by him to the world that he cannot answer them and that each
of the threads he started in which these and many other questions
*still* remain unanswered boil down to nothing but putrid hot air.
Since we all know where such air comes from it ought to be crystal
clear to everyone by now which part of his anatomy it is that Jabriol
is talking out of.
Budikka
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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| Title: Re: what took homosapien so long to build a house, and cook food? |
23 Oct 2003 06:25:40 AM |
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(Budikka) wrote in message news:<e1e30450.0310221816.5dc342d2@posting.google.com>...
"jabriol" <jabriol@bluegender.org> wrote in message news:<ZyDlb.335513$Pk.51895@news.easynews.com>
Who cares what he wrote?
I do
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| User: "Budikka" |
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02 Nov 2003 12:13:10 AM |
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In a separate thread, the Internationally renowned liar and Hypocrite
known as
"jabriol" <jabriol@bluegender.org> charged (in message
news:<KQhnb.6912680$cI2.984570@news.easynews.com>) someone with
"misdirection and failure to answer the question."
In doing this he has proven himself to be a hypocrite because he has
been running away form answering essentially every challenge or
question I have put to him since August (and he'll prove it right here
by running away from them again):
1. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that regardless of what it is
classed as and regardless of whether it was or was not in the line to
birds, the archaeopteryx had pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of
reptile/dino and bird features and therefore represented an example of
a potential intermediate stage.
2. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the okapi is pretty much
what a transitional giraffe would have looked like.
3. I am *still waiting* for him to explain why something akin to a
mouse could not change 300 genes over 60 million years to become
either human or a modern mouse.
4. I am *still waiting* for him to acknowledge that no evolutionist
has ever claimed that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles and
that argument from incredulity addressing this non-issue, no matter
how ancient it is, does not constitute a "colossal hole" in the Theory
of Evolution.
5. I am *still waiting* for him to acknowledge that creationist
letters published as a courtesy (or maybe as a source of amusement) in
_New Scientist_ are *not* the equivalent of peer-reviewed science
papers, no matter how ancient and misguided they are.
6. I am *still waiting* for him to post a **LIST** of these "colossal
holes" in the Theory of Evolution that he has been lying about since
August.
7. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the informally
peer-reviewed talk.origins archive is a valid reference, especially
when the articles to which I have repeatedly refered him are
themselves replete with references, many of which are to peer-reviewed
material.
8. I am *still waiting* for him to realize what a pathetic hypocrite
he is to demand peer-reviewed material of others when he has never
offered a single peer-reviewed reference himself - in fact, all he
essentially does offer is unreferenced and plagiarized argument from
incredulity.
9. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the article he offered
as a reference for his claim that 75% or human DNA is the same as that
of the banana actually stated that *up to* 30% *may be* similar.
10. I am *still waiting* for him to offer even one useful reference
for his subsequent and previous claims that we are 90% identical to a
banana in our DNA, 60% identical to a banana in our DNA, 50% identical
to a banana in our DNA.
Any reply from Jabriol that does not respond competently (note,
snipping or running away are not considered to be adequate, or even
intelligent responses) to these questions will be a direct and open
admission by him to the world that he cannot answer them and that each
of the threads he started in which these and many other questions
*still* remain unanswered boil down to nothing but putrid hot air.
Budikka
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| User: "Linda" |
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04 Nov 2003 04:51:15 AM |
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Is this the place to quote someone said "Man is 98% Chimp"?
And If I believed that I'd be 100% CHUMP?
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0311012213.61c74b41@posting.google.com...
In a separate thread, the Internationally renowned liar and Hypocrite
known as
"jabriol" <jabriol@bluegender.org> charged (in message
news:<KQhnb.6912680$cI2.984570@news.easynews.com>) someone with
"misdirection and failure to answer the question."
In doing this he has proven himself to be a hypocrite because he has
been running away form answering essentially every challenge or
question I have put to him since August (and he'll prove it right here
by running away from them again):
1. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that regardless of what it is
classed as and regardless of whether it was or was not in the line to
birds, the archaeopteryx had pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of
reptile/dino and bird features and therefore represented an example of
a potential intermediate stage.
2. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the okapi is pretty much
what a transitional giraffe would have looked like.
3. I am *still waiting* for him to explain why something akin to a
mouse could not change 300 genes over 60 million years to become
either human or a modern mouse.
4. I am *still waiting* for him to acknowledge that no evolutionist
has ever claimed that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles and
that argument from incredulity addressing this non-issue, no matter
how ancient it is, does not constitute a "colossal hole" in the Theory
of Evolution.
5. I am *still waiting* for him to acknowledge that creationist
letters published as a courtesy (or maybe as a source of amusement) in
_New Scientist_ are *not* the equivalent of peer-reviewed science
papers, no matter how ancient and misguided they are.
6. I am *still waiting* for him to post a **LIST** of these "colossal
holes" in the Theory of Evolution that he has been lying about since
August.
7. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the informally
peer-reviewed talk.origins archive is a valid reference, especially
when the articles to which I have repeatedly refered him are
themselves replete with references, many of which are to peer-reviewed
material.
8. I am *still waiting* for him to realize what a pathetic hypocrite
he is to demand peer-reviewed material of others when he has never
offered a single peer-reviewed reference himself - in fact, all he
essentially does offer is unreferenced and plagiarized argument from
incredulity.
9. I am *still waiting* for him to admit that the article he offered
as a reference for his claim that 75% or human DNA is the same as that
of the banana actually stated that *up to* 30% *may be* similar.
10. I am *still waiting* for him to offer even one useful reference
for his subsequent and previous claims that we are 90% identical to a
banana in our DNA, 60% identical to a banana in our DNA, 50% identical
to a banana in our DNA.
Any reply from Jabriol that does not respond competently (note,
snipping or running away are not considered to be adequate, or even
intelligent responses) to these questions will be a direct and open
admission by him to the world that he cannot answer them and that each
of the threads he started in which these and many other questions
*still* remain unanswered boil down to nothing but putrid hot air.
Budikka
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| User: "~ 0 YIKES 0 ~" |
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| Title: Re: what took homosapien so long to build a house, and cook food? |
04 Nov 2003 04:51:21 PM |
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"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:1067942899.253146@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au...
Is this the place to quote someone said "Man is 98% Chimp"?
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So tell us how much of our DNA your Watchtower Bible claims we share with
the chimps. Please provide the scripture covering human DNA. Also explain
how they hid this knowledge for thousands of years.
Anna......
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Linda" |
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06 Nov 2003 05:00:18 AM |
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"~ 0 YIKES 0 ~" <PureVOMIT@theWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
news:3fa82d6a@news.heartoftn.net...
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:1067942899.253146@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au...
Is this the place to quote someone said "Man is 98% Chimp"?
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So tell us how much of our DNA your Watchtower Bible claims we share with
the chimps. Please provide the scripture covering human DNA. Also
explain
how they hid this knowledge for thousands of years.
Anna......
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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Well for starters Asimov was a communist and they are all Atheists, only now
they don't have communism either.
Second , what you need is to 'Zero in' with the Hubble at ->
Latitude
39° 42' N
Longitude
44° 18' E
Now focus in at sea level + Elevation:16,945 ft
, what do you see??
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| User: "Durango Boron" |
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06 Nov 2003 07:53:33 PM |
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"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:1068116237.575181@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au...
Well for starters Asimov was a communist and they are all Atheists, only
now
they don't have communism either.
$$ That's even better isn't it? :^)
--
Koketta..........
"Welcome to the WT God's Organization. Here
is the list of correct personal decisions. You may deviate
from them if you wish, but you'll be branded as spiritually
weak, and if we don't like you we'll do (disfellowship) you for not having
the right attitude. Enjoy your freedom." (Kirll)
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| User: "Alfredo" |
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| Title: Re: what took homosapien so long to build a house, and cook food? |
04 Nov 2003 10:14:38 PM |
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That 2 % means millions of differences, so it is not a little thing to
consider. Go to Evolution at your web browser and despair, ye Creationists!
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| User: "jabriol" |
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06 Nov 2003 05:07:02 PM |
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"Alfredo" <juillet@angelfire.com> wrote in message
news:PJ%pb.149223$%Y6.426785@maule...
That 2 % means millions of differences, so it is not a little thing to
consider. Go to Evolution at your web browser and despair, ye
Creationists!
and they are?
and I am not a creationist..
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| User: "Whiskey Breath" |
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07 Nov 2003 02:17:32 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@bluegender.org> wrote in message
news:puAqb.424798$Id.60851@news.easynews.com...
[snip]
: and I am not a creationist..
ok, that's _one_ thing you "aren't".....I just keep wondering just
what you _are_.......(besides a raving loony)
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| User: "Budikka" |
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08 Nov 2003 03:08:53 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@bluegender.org> wrote in message news:<puAqb.424798$Id.60851@news.easynews.com>...
and they are?
and I am not a creationist..
What you are is a demonstrated liar. You are a creationist who spends
an inordinate amount of time trying (unsuccessfully) to trash the
Theory of Evolution.
You are a creationist who started a thread in
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21 this year in which you state:
"On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is factual, then
the fossil record would not show one type of life turning into
another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each different
type of living thing would reproduce only "according to its kind."
(Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into being
by an act of creation, there would be no partial, unfinished bones or
organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be complete and highly
complex, as living things are today." (http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled, by you, "TOBS: The Fossil record support's
Genesis". Now what is that, if it is not a semi-illiterate post by a
creationist?
You are a creationist who dare not admit that regardless of what it is
classed as and regardless of whether it was or was not in the line to
birds, the archaeopteryx had pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of
reptile/dino and bird features and therefore represented an example of
a potential intermediate stage.
You are a creationist who dare not admit that the okapi, an animal
alive and well today, is pretty much what a transitional giraffe would
have looked like.
You are a creationist who dare not admit that this URL:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
which summarises discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils
contains over 70 references, many of which are to papers published in
peer-reviewed science journals. This single article alone refutes
every usenet thread you have ever started that was born of your
chronic illiteracy with regard to transitional fossils.
You also lied about transitionals in http://tinyurl.com/u63g, a thread
titled: "Re: TOBS- The BudiKKKa Hole series: Transitional Fossils"
that you started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sep 12 this year and
cross-posted to six other news groups.
In fact, you have been lying about this supposed lack of transitionals
since at least 1998 when you posted this thread, overly optimistically
and somewhat ingrammatically titled, "If evolution was true":
http://tinyurl.com/u63n in alt.religion.christian on Mar 14 of that
year and cross-posted to two other news groups.
Then over a year later, you posted almost exactly the same thing in a
thread overly optimistically titled "The Gulf":
http://tinyurl.com/u643 in k12.ed.science on Jun 15 1999 and
crossposted to three other news groups.
In each of these threads you were told the same things, had evolution
explained to you yet again, were given examples which refute your
assinine claims and still you have not learned your lesson.
You are a creationist who cannot explain why something akin to a mouse
could not change 300 genes over 60 million years to become either
human or a modern mouse. Your inability, and the inability of every
other creationist to define "kind" and then explain what the mechanism
is which prevents one "kind" from "varying" into another "kind" is the
death knell for young-Earth creationism.
You are a creationist who dare not acknowledge that you lied in your
implication that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles
(http://tinyurl.com/u64o, titled: "Talk.Origin.Banned.subject\The
BudiKKKa Hole Series:\ Reptile and Bird; Hole II " opened Sep 18
opened in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and cross-posted to four other
newsgroups) and that argument from incredulity addressing this
non-issue, no matter how ancient it is, does not constitute a
"colossal hole" in the Theory of Evolution.
You are a creationist who dare not acknowledge that creationist
letters published as a courtesy (or maybe as a source of amusement) in
_New Scientist_ are *not* the equivalent of peer-reviewed science
papers, no matter how ancient and misguided they are.
You are a creationist who has failed comprehensively to post a
**LIST** containing even *one* of these supposed "colossal holes" in
the Theory of Evolution that you have been lying about since you
posted a plagiarised article: http://tinyurl.com/r3qz in a thread you
started titled; "TOBS: Evolutionists disagreements\ Christopher
Booker" on Aug 15 this year, cross-posted to three other news groups.
The article was stolen from:
http://home.texoma.net/~linesden/cem/diss/diss3.htm
but neither they nor you have been able to list a single hole. In
fact, I wrote the newspaper about this article and they were unable to
supply me with a copy of it. So was it ever published? Anywhere?
And what if it was? Not even the supposed writer of this article,
Christopher Booker, was able to list any of these "colossal holes".
You are a creationist who dare not admit that the informally
peer-reviewed talk.origins archive is a valid reference, especially
when the articles to which I have repeatedly refered you are
themselves replete with references, many of which are to peer-reviewed
material, as was the case with the "Observed Instances of Speciation"
article:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
and its follow-up:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
You are a creationist who does not realize what a pathetic hypocrite
he is to demand peer-reviewed material of others when he has never
offered a single peer-reviewed reference himself - in fact, all you
essentially do offer is unreferenced and plagiarized argument from
incredulity.
You are a creationist who dare not admit that the article you offered
(as a reference for your claim that 75% of human DNA is the same as
that of the banana) actually stated that *up to* 30% *may be* similar.
You are a creationist who cannot offer even one useful reference for
your subsequent and previous claims that we are 90% identical to a
banana in our DNA, 60% identical to a banana in our DNA, or 50%
identical to a banana in our DNA.
Any reply from you that doesn't respond competently (note, snipping or
running away are not considered to be adequate, or even intelligent
responses) to these questions will be a direct and open admission to
the world that you cannot answer them and that each of the well over
20 threads you started in which these and many other questions *still*
remain unanswered boil down to nothing but putrid hot air.
Here's the snip you will need to indulge yourself in out of cowardice,
since running away from the truth is what you do best:
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Budikka
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| User: "Linda" |
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06 Nov 2003 05:02:26 AM |
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"Alfredo" <juillet@angelfire.com> wrote in message
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That 2 % means millions of differences, so it is not a little thing to
consider. Go to Evolution at your web browser and despair, ye
Creationists!
Now that's what I call "100% CHUMP"! Congratulations, you're a winner.
Bananas all round!
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| User: "Budikka" |
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| Title: Re: what took homosapien so long to build a house, and cook food? |
08 Nov 2003 02:23:50 AM |
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"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<1067942899.253146@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au>...
Is this the place to quote someone said "Man is 98% Chimp"?
And If I believed that I'd be 100% CHUMP?
No, you would only be 100% chump if you accepted anything that Jabriol
so cluelessly blathers.
It depends on what you look at in DNA, but some reports have the match
between humans and chimpanzees at 99.4%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3042781.stm
or nearly 99%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/891580.stm
While others put it at 95%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2278733.stm
We will not know the true match until all of both our DNA and the
chimpanzee DNA has been sequenced completely and accurately. Then you
would have to decide which parts of DNA you wanted to consider - do
you consider all of it, including the huge amount that is generally
labeled "junk DNA" or do you consider only the functional DNA - those
genes generally recognized as making proteins. Depending on what you
compare, the percentage match can vary.
The fact is that we do share errors in DNA with chimpanzees:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/
You cannot explain this with creation.
However, it is a fact that chimpanzees are genetically closer to us,
from DNA studies so far, than they are to other great apes. From what
I have read, chimpanzees are closer to humans than the African
elephant is to the indian elephant, than the red-eyed vireo bird is to
the white-eyed vireo, than two species of camel are 9depending on
which assessment you adopt:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1156212.stm
You cannot explain this with creation.
Budikka
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| User: "Linda" |
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11 Nov 2003 04:50:59 AM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0311080023.50c6f2ca@posting.google.com...
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:<1067942899.253146@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au>...
Is this the place to quote someone said "Man is 98% Chimp"?
And If I believed that I'd be 100% CHUMP?
No, you would only be 100% chump if you accepted anything that Jabriol
so cluelessly blathers.
It depends on what you look at in DNA, but some reports have the match
between humans and chimpanzees at 99.4%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3042781.stm
or nearly 99%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/891580.stm
While others put it at 95%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2278733.stm
We will not know the true match until all of both our DNA and the
chimpanzee DNA has been sequenced completely and accurately. Then you
would have to decide which parts of DNA you wanted to consider - do
you consider all of it, including the huge amount that is generally
labeled "junk DNA" or do you consider only the functional DNA - those
genes generally recognized as making proteins. Depending on what you
compare, the percentage match can vary.
The fact is that we do share errors in DNA with chimpanzees:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/
You cannot explain this with creation.
However, it is a fact that chimpanzees are genetically closer to us,
from DNA studies so far, than they are to other great apes. From what
I have read, chimpanzees are closer to humans than the African
elephant is to the indian elephant, than the red-eyed vireo bird is to
the white-eyed vireo, than two species of camel are 9depending on
which assessment you adopt:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1156212.stm
You cannot explain this with creation.
Budikka
Well I suppose with all that data that makes you a "Monkeys Uncle " then
hey? Bananas anyone?
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| User: "Ugly Bob" |
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12 Nov 2003 08:27:55 PM |
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"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:1068547722.59517@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au...
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0311080023.50c6f2ca@posting.google.com...
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:<1067942899.253146@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au>...
Is this the place to quote someone said "Man is 98% Chimp"?
And If I believed that I'd be 100% CHUMP?
No, you would only be 100% chump if you accepted anything that Jabriol
so cluelessly blathers.
It depends on what you look at in DNA, but some reports have the match
between humans and chimpanzees at 99.4%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3042781.stm
or nearly 99%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/891580.stm
While others put it at 95%:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2278733.stm
We will not know the true match until all of both our DNA and the
chimpanzee DNA has been sequenced completely and accurately. Then you
would have to decide which parts of DNA you wanted to consider - do
you consider all of it, including the huge amount that is generally
labeled "junk DNA" or do you consider only the functional DNA - those
genes generally recognized as making proteins. Depending on what you
compare, the percentage match can vary.
The fact is that we do share errors in DNA with chimpanzees:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/
You cannot explain this with creation.
However, it is a fact that chimpanzees are genetically closer to us,
from DNA studies so far, than they are to other great apes. From what
I have read, chimpanzees are closer to humans than the African
elephant is to the indian elephant, than the red-eyed vireo bird is to
the white-eyed vireo, than two species of camel are 9depending on
which assessment you adopt:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1156212.stm
You cannot explain this with creation.
Budikka
Well I suppose with all that data that makes you a "Monkeys Uncle " then
hey? Bananas anyone?
Perhaps a monkeys nephew. I'll have those bananas!
-Mugly Bob
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| User: "Budikka" |
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16 Nov 2003 08:00:46 PM |
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"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<1068547722.59517@kangaroo.ozonline.com.au>.
If the only response you have is to throw out clueless wisecracks, it
means you have lost your panties. Do the Internet a favor and go back
to the kiddie pool - you are way out of your depth here.
Budikka
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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22 Oct 2003 01:55:17 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge and use complex languages, appear suddenly in
the fossil record. Gould, in his book The Mismeasure of Man, notes:
"We have no evidence for biological change in brain size or structure
since Homo sapiens appeared in the fossil record some fifty thousand
years ago." Thus, the book The Universe Within asks: "What caused
evolution . . . to produce, as if overnight, modern humankind with its
highly special brain?" Evolution is unable to answer.
What took "homosapien" so long to make A1 steaksauce?
What took "homosapien" so long to make a really dry martini?
What took "homosapien" so long to make thong bathing suits?
What took "homosapien" so long to make movable type?
What took "homosapien" so long to make spaceships?
What took "homosapien" so long to make nanotubes?
What took "homosapien" so long to make Clap-on lights?
What took "homosapien" so long to make rock and roll?
What took "homosapien" so long to make Cheezits?
What took "homosapien" so long to make pet resorts?
What took "homosapien" so long to make this computer?
Here is your problem:
Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge
When modern man appeared, there was no "previous knowledge".
Frank
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| User: "mlw" |
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22 Oct 2003 03:36:48 PM |
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Frank Reichenbacher wrote:
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0310211813.6c6c9ca6@posting.google.com...
Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge and use complex languages, appear suddenly in
the fossil record. Gould, in his book The Mismeasure of Man, notes:
"We have no evidence for biological change in brain size or structure
since Homo sapiens appeared in the fossil record some fifty thousand
years ago." Thus, the book The Universe Within asks: "What caused
evolution . . . to produce, as if overnight, modern humankind with its
highly special brain?" Evolution is unable to answer.
What took "homosapien" so long to make A1 steaksauce?
What took "homosapien" so long to make a really dry martini?
What took "homosapien" so long to make thong bathing suits?
What took "homosapien" so long to make movable type?
What took "homosapien" so long to make spaceships?
What took "homosapien" so long to make nanotubes?
What took "homosapien" so long to make Clap-on lights?
What took "homosapien" so long to make rock and roll?
What took "homosapien" so long to make Cheezits?
What took "homosapien" so long to make pet resorts?
What took "homosapien" so long to make this computer?
Here is your problem:
Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge
When modern man appeared, there was no "previous knowledge".
Indeed, the notion of "invention" is usually linking of disparate concepts.
When the only concepts you have are food and reproduction, it takes time.
I look around my house, I know how everything works. From the automobile to
the zylophone, lol, seriously, atomic reactors, lasers, computers,
batteries, cars and engines, solar power, all of it. This isn't bragging,
it is what anyone else can do if they just pay attention.
Much of our current technology could not be produced without all the
technology before it. If all of our technology was wiped out and all that
remained was knowledge, it would take hundreds if not thousands of years to
re-gain our current state. Without technology, we would be unable to pass
down all our knowledge and much would be lost.
Man could have been dropped here many thousands of years ago, coming from a
more advanced civilization, but without technology, it would only take a
few generations to forget all that was known and focus on food, survival,
and sex.
So, why did it take man so long? Because in the beginning, there was no
foundation, there may have been great thinking, but much of it was lost at
the time of death. Real progress didn't start to happen before language.
Humans are "improve-ers," we see an idea and build on it. We are not at our
best with an empty page.
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| User: "Pastor Salt" |
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21 Oct 2003 10:20:55 PM |
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What took them so long to build a bike... or a plane..or a PC ?? why didnt
it all get invented in the first couple of weeks ??
Re Gould quote : so what .. 50k years isnt so long...
i like the "thus" implying there is some kind of logical link between to
two quotes... which there isnt..
And evolution is unable to answer ?? .. u have a better explaination ?
Oh right...some magical being did it...giving us all a reason to live (or
die) and making some kind of cosmic sense of it all....
--
Steve
The are no stupid questions.... but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: what took homosapien so long to build a house, and cook food? |
22 Oct 2003 06:08:34 AM |
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a typo... the pain of epilepsy :-)
Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in message news:<d222de3e.0310211813.6c6c9ca6@posting.google.com>...
Modern-type humans, with the capacity to reason, plan, invent, build
on previous knowledge and use complex languages, appear suddenly in
the fossil record. Gould, in his book The Mismeasure of Man, notes:
"We have no evidence for biological change in brain size or structure
since Homo sapiens appeared in the fossil record some fifty thousand
years ago." Thus, the book The Universe Within asks: "What caused
evolution . . . to produce, as if overnight, modern humankind with its
highly special brain?" Evolution is unable to answer.
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