Religions > Atheism > TOBS: Carol witkowski Says Human are not apes per evolution\a supermommy thread.
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"Finzen Funne" <FreeTheJWS@this.NG> wrote in message news:<P9qdnZEn4csHrVDdRVn-jA@heartoftn.net>...
"SuperMommy" <flsupermommy@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:40ccec88$1_2@127.0.0.1...> Also, for people who think that
scientists don't believe in creationism or solely believe that man
came from apes,
$$ No one ever claimed we came from apes. Please learn a little about
evolution before posting.
Carol's highschool education, or better yet, lack of education, cause
her to brainfart once again.
Scince claims that all humans are apes.
Please learn a little aboutevolution before posting.
or better yet, get off the net and service your husband, and leave
this subject who know about, to discuss it.
hey suppermommy,
if a women fail marriage once, get dumped by her "second" husband in
Tenn, lose custody of her son, and become a love pillow to a third
biker gangster.
who is at fault for her failure with men?
God?
Men?
or the woman?
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14 Jun 2004 03:44:23 PM |
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<jabriol@hotmail.com> A KNOWN RACIST and SOCIOPATH wrote in message
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"Finzen Funne" <FreeTheJWS@this.NG> wrote in message
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"SuperMommy" <flsupermommy@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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news:40ccec88$1_2@127.0.0.1...> Also, for people who think that
scientists don't believe in creationism or solely believe that man
came from apes,
$$ No one ever claimed we came from apes. Please learn a little about
evolution before posting.
Jabriol's gradeschool education, or better yet, lack of education, cause
him to brainfart once again.
Scince claims that all humans are apes.
Please learn a little aboutevolution before posting.
## No one claimed we came FROM the apes. We came from the same same branch
they did. You creationists claim we're a special creation - unrelated to
anything else on earth.
Better yet, get off the net and service your wife like a good Jehovah's
Witness husband on the dole. Leave
this subject to those who know about evolution to discuss it.
hey suppermommy,
if a man fail marriage once, get dumped by the "second" wife in
NJ, lose custody of his raped daughter, and become a love pillow to a
third
jehovahs witness.
who is at fault for his failure with women?
God?
Men?
or the me jabriol?
--
Finzy.........
Jehovah God Himself.....
And the Lord God of Israel spoke to the man Santana, "Ye be steeped in
iniquity, and ye revel in sinfulness, and every form of perversion is
a thing of delight to thee. Thou shall be allowed your allotted time,
and then I shall smite thee grievously, and cast thee into the lake of
fire together with thine Master, Lucifer, where ye shall find eternal
damnation together."
But the man Santana known as Jabriol was one of Jehovah's Witnesses,
and so did not fear God, and worshiped demons, and continued in his
wicked ways.
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15 Jun 2004 04:55:32 AM |
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"Finzedem" <ExpozeTheWTS@this.place> wrote in message news:<AYadnRryifa0k1PdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net>...
<jabriol@hotmail.com> A KNOWN RACIST and SOCIOPATH wrote in message
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"Finzen Funne" <FreeTheJWS@this.NG> wrote in message
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"SuperMommy" <flsupermommy@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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news:40ccec88$1_2@127.0.0.1...> Also, for people who think that
scientists don't believe in creationism or solely believe that man
came from apes,
$$ No one ever claimed we came from apes. Please learn a little about
evolution before posting.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
what a moron, now get off the net, and service your husband. evolution
demands it.
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| User: "Finza Flyin" |
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15 Jun 2004 10:16:17 AM |
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<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Finzedem" <ExpozeTheWTS@this.place> wrote in message
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<jabriol@hotmail.com> A KNOWN RACIST and SOCIOPATH wrote in message
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"Finzen Funne" <FreeTheJWS@this.NG> wrote in message
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"SuperMommy" <flsupermommy@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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news:40ccec88$1_2@127.0.0.1...> Also, for people who think that
scientists don't believe in creationism or solely believe that man
came from apes,
$$ No one ever claimed we came from apes. Please learn a little
about
evolution before posting.
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ohhh humans comes from birds... got it,
## Got what? The right time? A new WTS magazine?
I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
## Yep,... us and the apes came from the same genetic line. But the JWs
such as yourself, told me that's not true since we're created in god's image
and god wasn't an ape. Has the WTS changed those beliefs now? If you want
to believe birds or clams were also in this family "tree" have at it. ;-)
what a moron, now get off the net, and service your husband. evolution
demands it.
## Explain how a JW wife "services" her husband. Does he pay her now? How
much? How often does your wife try to "service" you? LOL!!!!
--
Jehovah God Himself.....
And the Lord God of Israel spoke to the man Santana, "Ye be steeped in
iniquity, and ye revel in sinfulness, and every form of perversion is
a thing of delight to thee. Thou shall be allowed your allotted time,
and then I shall smite thee grievously, and cast thee into the lake of
fire together with thine Master, Lucifer, where ye shall find eternal
damnation together."
But the man Santana known as Jabriol was one of Jehovah's Witnesses,
and so did not fear God, and worshiped demons, and continued in his
wicked ways.
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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15 Jun 2004 12:20:26 PM |
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wrote in message news:<e4bcbc36.0406150155.5a911f44@posting.google.com>...
"Finzedem" <ExpozeTheWTS@this.place> wrote in message news:<AYadnRryifa0k1PdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net>...
< > A KNOWN RACIST and SOCIOPATH wrote in message
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"Finzen Funne" <FreeTheJWS@this.NG> wrote in message
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"SuperMommy" <flsupermommy@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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news:40ccec88$1_2@127.0.0.1...> Also, for people who think that
scientists don't believe in creationism or solely believe that man
came from apes,
$$ No one ever claimed we came from apes. Please learn a little about
evolution before posting.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
what a moron, now get off the net, and service your husband. evolution
demands it.
jabriol, you are a bitter little man, aren't you. By stating that man
didn't evolve from apes is not equal to saying man evolved from birds.
Man evolved ALONG SIDE apes from a common ancestor. As Carol stated,
learn a little about the evolutionary process before posting your
childish drivel. I'd suggest a course at your local community college.
That is if you have the guts to actually learn something.
Roger
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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15 Jun 2004 12:38:09 PM |
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
Go service drunks for a quarter.. my sense of humor demands it.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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16 Jun 2004 06:16:10 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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16 Jun 2004 01:39:01 PM |
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wrote in message news:<e4bcbc36.0406160316.1fbb0e9f@posting.google.com>...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
Great Lord , braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
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| User: "Finzy Galore" |
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16 Jun 2004 03:55:29 PM |
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"Roger Andrews" <crazybeast@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those
evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
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Jabriol, a creationist and Jehovah's Witness, believes and teaches that man
is a special creation - unrelated to any animals on earth. This is
necessary in order to believe all the other nonsense these people teach as
fact, such as the magical CREATION of man in the Garden of Eden etc. You
can't reason with a religious fanatic.
--
Finzy...
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people
and
guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
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16 Jun 2004 05:04:27 PM |
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(Roger Andrews) wrote in message news:<cda5d73a.0406161039.48790a92@posting.google.com>...
jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message news:<e4bcbc36.0406160316.1fbb0e9f@posting.google.com>...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
Carol Witkowski claims we are not apes. evolution theory say that we
are.
human are apes per evolution, that evolves from other homonid apes.
Are you stating this is not accurate?
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| User: "Finzio" |
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17 Jun 2004 12:57:42 AM |
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<jabriol@hotmail.com> A KNOWN RACIST and SOCIOPATH wrote in message
news:e4bcbc36.0406161404.2bd5ac8e@posting.google.com...
crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews) wrote in message
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jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those
evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
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Carol Witkowski claims we are not apes. evolution theory say that we
are.
human are apes per evolution, that evolves from other homonid apes.
Are you stating this is not accurate?
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A few classes in remedial reading/English will help you comprehend what
people actually say. Surely there are low-cost classes available in your
area of Camden NJ. ;-)
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Finzio...
Jabriol (Antonio J Santana) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those JW quotes
about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (credit to Campbell)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Jun 2004 08:18:45 AM |
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In article <HcOdnWdISMxBr0zdRVn-sA@heartoftn.net>, Finzio says...
<jabriol@hotmail.com> A KNOWN RACIST and SOCIOPATH wrote in message
news:e4bcbc36.0406161404.2bd5ac8e@posting.google.com...
crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews) wrote in message
news:<cda5d73a.0406161039.48790a92@posting.google.com>...
jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those
evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
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Carol Witkowski claims we are not apes. evolution theory say that we
are.
human are apes per evolution, that evolves from other homonid apes.
Are you stating this is not accurate?
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A few classes in remedial reading/English will help you comprehend what
people actually say. Surely there are low-cost classes available in your
area of Camden NJ. ;-)
Uck, I was in Camden about two years ago. What a f'ing dump ;p
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Finzio" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol (Antonio J Santana) say human evolved from birds |
17 Jun 2004 01:47:52 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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In article <HcOdnWdISMxBr0zdRVn-sA@heartoftn.net>, Finzio says to
Jabriol...
A few classes in remedial reading/English will help you comprehend what
people actually say. Surely there are low-cost classes available in your
area of Camden NJ. ;-)
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Uck, I was in Camden about two years ago. What a f'ing dump ;p
Yes, it's a really bad place to have to live as Jabriol has told us in the
past. He claims his neighborhood consists of nothing but drug dealers,
addicts and welfare mothers. He lives in a small tenement apartment.
Instead of being jealous of where others live you would think he would MOVE
to a better area. He claims to have some kind of degree in computers - so
why does he live in a low-income inner city slum? I believe another poster
who claims Jabber's was little more than a shelf stocker (perhaps at
CompUSA) until he went on SSD.
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Finzy Onne...
Jabriol should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those JW quotes
about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (credit to Campbell)
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17 Jun 2004 07:45:10 PM |
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"Finzio" <Finz@this.NG> wrote in message news:<vvmdna4KztCPdEzdRVn-gg@heartoftn.net>...
"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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In article <HcOdnWdISMxBr0zdRVn-sA@heartoftn.net>, Finzio says to
Jabriol...
A few classes in remedial reading/English will help you comprehend what
people actually say. Surely there are low-cost classes available in your
area of Camden NJ. ;-)
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Uck, I was in Camden about two years ago. What a f'ing dump ;p
Yes, it's a really bad place to have to live as Jabriol has told us in the
past. He claims his neighborhood consists of nothing but drug dealers,
addicts and welfare mothers. He lives in a small tenement apartment.
do I now?
Instead of being jealous of where others live you would think he would MOVE
to a better area.
what makes you think I have not done so?
He claims to have some kind of degree in computers - so
why does he live in a low-income inner city slum?
is the city a low-income slum?
I believe another poster
who claims Jabber's was little more than a shelf stocker (perhaps at
CompUSA) until he went on SSD.
sure... now we create imaginary poster claiming imaginary things.
By the by.. you were proven wron yet again, per science, Human are
apes.
I see you selectively drop the subject once you were proven wrong, and
started on your boring ad hom attack.
oh and the fictious det gibson sends his greetings, and is aware of
your opinion on the city. so by all means give him another call
because, he can then have nashville police arrest your sorry rear end
for false police reports.
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| User: "Finzio" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol (aka Carol Witkowski & Cynthia Dubose)say human evolved from birds |
17 Jun 2004 09:36:51 PM |
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<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Finzio" <Finz@this.NG> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:VSgAc.6150$H4.327@www.newsranger.com...
In article <HcOdnWdISMxBr0zdRVn-sA@heartoftn.net>, Finzio says to
--
Carol....
"Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a
conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers
for your recovery."
You laugh because I'm different, I laugh because you're all the same.
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
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Jabriol...
A few classes in remedial reading/English will help you comprehend
what
people actually say. Surely there are low-cost classes available in
your
area of Camden NJ. ;-)
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Uck, I was in Camden about two years ago. What a f'ing dump ;p
Yes, it's a really bad place to have to live as Jabriol has told us in
the
past. He claims his neighborhood consists of nothing but drug dealers,
addicts and welfare mothers. He lives in a small tenement apartment.
do I now?
## That's what you claimed. Are you changing your story?
Instead of being jealous of where others live you would think he would
MOVE
to a better area.
what makes you think I have not done so?
## Why should anyone think you "done so?"
He claims to have some kind of degree in computers - so
why does he live in a low-income inner city slum?
is the city a low-income slum?
## The inner city slums are not high-rent places. Middle and upper-income
people do not live in slum areas as you described your neighborhood..
I believe another poster
who claims Jabber's was little more than a shelf stocker (perhaps at
CompUSA) until he went on SSD.
sure... now we create imaginary poster claiming imaginary things.
## That's your job! We've all heard about your fantasies......
By the by.. you were proven wron yet again, per science, Human are
apes.
## OK, so we're in the ape family. I never said we weren't. I said we did
not COME from apes which everyone understood but YOU. But that's not too
surprising.
I see you selectively drop the subject once you were proven wrong, and
started on your boring ad hom attack.
## Same old blah, blah, blah from you - I never said we weren't. I said we
did not COME from apes which everyone understood but YOU. But that's not
too surprising.
oh and the fictious det gibson sends his greetings, and is aware of
your opinion on the city.
## Det. Gibson takes all treats made by net-kooks such as yourself
seriously. Are you claiming he's derelict in his duty? Yes, you would
claim that wouldn't you? Again, not surprising as it comes under the WTS's
"theocratic warfare" clause.
so by all means give him another call
because, he can then have nashville police arrest your sorry rear end
for false police reports.
## I had the PROOF that you threatened me, so if anyone gets arrested it's
YOU!
--
Finzy...
Jabriol should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those JW quotes
about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (credit to Campbell)
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| User: "Roger Andrews" |
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16 Jun 2004 05:22:09 PM |
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(Roger Andrews) wrote in message news:<cda5d73a.0406161039.48790a92@posting.google.com>...
jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message news:<e4bcbc36.0406160316.1fbb0e9f@posting.google.com>...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
I correct myself, we are not apes we are primates, and we are related to apes.
Roger
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17 Jun 2004 11:28:52 AM |
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(Roger Andrews) wrote in message news:<cda5d73a.0406161422.7b9ea9d2@posting.google.com>...
I correct myself, we are not apes we are primates, and we are related to apes.
One could argue that we are apes. If you put chimps and gorillas in
the same group, then humans would have to be included too since chimps
are more closely related to humans than they are to gorillas.
Ken Denny
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17 Jun 2004 09:47:39 PM |
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(Ken Denny) wrote in message news:<ba944bc3.0406170828.24b7a6c8@posting.google.com>...
crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews) wrote in message news:<cda5d73a.0406161422.7b9ea9d2@posting.google.com>...
I correct myself, we are not apes we are primates, and we are related to apes.
One could argue that we are apes. If you put chimps and gorillas in
the same group, then humans would have to be included too since chimps
are more closely related to humans than they are to gorillas.
Ken Denny
ever heard of the manpanzee?
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17 Jun 2004 06:16:34 AM |
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(Roger Andrews) wrote in message news:<cda5d73a.0406161422.7b9ea9d2@posting.google.com>...
(Roger Andrews) wrote in message news:<cda5d73a.0406161039.48790a92@posting.google.com>...
jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message news:<e4bcbc36.0406160316.1fbb0e9f@posting.google.com>...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
I correct myself, we are not apes we are primates, and we are related to apes.
Roger
so this defintion is wrong:
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/a/ap/ape.html
Modern scientific usage includes as apes the families Hylobatidae (6
species of gibbons and the siamang), which are known as lesser apes,
and the family Pongidae or great apes, consisting of Gorillas (Gorilla
gorilla), Chimpanzees (common chimpanzees, Pan troglodytes and
bonobos, Pan paniscus), humans (Homo sapiens), and Orangutans (Pongo
pygmaeus).
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| User: "Zachriel http://www.zachriel.com/mutagenation/" |
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17 Jun 2004 06:24:24 AM |
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<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews) wrote in message
news:<cda5d73a.0406161422.7b9ea9d2@posting.google.com>...
crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews) wrote in message
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jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled
the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those
evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
I correct myself, we are not apes we are primates, and we are related to
apes.
Roger
so this defintion is wrong:
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/a/ap/ape.html
Modern scientific usage includes as apes the families Hylobatidae (6
species of gibbons and the siamang), which are known as lesser apes,
and the family Pongidae or great apes, consisting of Gorillas (Gorilla
gorilla), Chimpanzees (common chimpanzees, Pan troglodytes and
bonobos, Pan paniscus), humans (Homo sapiens), and Orangutans (Pongo
pygmaeus).
This type of semantic confusion is exactly why scientists avoid common names
and rely on the Latin. People often use the word "ape" to refer to
specifically to "non-human apes". I usually write "non-human ape", or
otherwise avoid the term. From your own reference:
"Ape is a common, yet rather *imprecise*, name for some animals of the order
Primates."
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17 Jun 2004 01:50:41 PM |
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"Zachriel" <http://www.zachriel.com/mutagenation/> wrote in message news:<xv-dnVHTD5P-4kzdRVn-sA@adelphia.com>...
<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4bcbc36.0406170316.546df258@posting.google.com...
crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews) wrote in message
news:<cda5d73a.0406161422.7b9ea9d2@posting.google.com>...
crazybeast@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews) wrote in message
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jabriol@hotmail.com wrote in message
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled
the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ohhh humans comes from birds... got it, I guess all those
evolutionary
anthropologists are wrong.
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
I repeat, take a course in evolution at your local community college,
better take one in basic biology too while you're at it. Of course we
are apes, however, we didn't evolve from them.
Roger
I correct myself, we are not apes we are primates, and we are related to
apes.
Roger
so this defintion is wrong:
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/a/ap/ape.html
Modern scientific usage includes as apes the families Hylobatidae (6
species of gibbons and the siamang), which are known as lesser apes,
and the family Pongidae or great apes, consisting of Gorillas (Gorilla
gorilla), Chimpanzees (common chimpanzees, Pan troglodytes and
bonobos, Pan paniscus), humans (Homo sapiens), and Orangutans (Pongo
pygmaeus).
This type of semantic confusion is exactly why scientists avoid common names
and rely on the Latin. People often use the word "ape" to refer to
specifically to "non-human apes". I usually write "non-human ape", or
otherwise avoid the term. From your own reference:
"Ape is a common, yet rather *imprecise*, name for some animals of the order
Primates."
ok, so we have non-human apes, and human-apes. Therefore per science,
humans are human apes, which means they are still clasiffied as apes.
It is interesting then to see, that evolutionist do not like to think
of man as an animal. people have a need to clasify humans as totally
diferrent creature...
why do you belive that is so???
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| User: "Zachriel http://www.zachriel.com/mutagenation/" |
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17 Jun 2004 06:45:30 PM |
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<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4bcbc36.0406171050.4ad55ec4@posting.google.com...
"Zachriel" <http://www.zachriel.com/mutagenation/> wrote in message
news:<xv-dnVHTD5P-4kzdRVn-sA@adelphia.com>...
<jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e4bcbc36.0406170316.546df258@posting.google.com...
<snip>
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/a/ap/ape.html
Modern scientific usage includes as apes the families Hylobatidae (6
species of gibbons and the siamang), which are known as lesser apes,
and the family Pongidae or great apes, consisting of Gorillas (Gorilla
gorilla), Chimpanzees (common chimpanzees, Pan troglodytes and
bonobos, Pan paniscus), humans (Homo sapiens), and Orangutans (Pongo
pygmaeus).
This type of semantic confusion is exactly why scientists avoid common
names
and rely on the Latin. People often use the word "ape" to refer to
specifically to "non-human apes". I usually write "non-human ape", or
otherwise avoid the term. From your own reference:
"Ape is a common, yet rather *imprecise*, name for some animals of the
order
Primates."
ok, so we have non-human apes, and human-apes. Therefore per science,
humans are human apes, which means they are still clasiffied as apes.
It is interesting then to see, that evolutionist do not like to think
of man as an animal. people have a need to clasify humans as totally
diferrent creature...
why do you belive that is so???
We are obviously animals.
First, let us note that humans are members of the animal kingdom, that is,
like amoeba, we ingest food for energy and for protein, the building blocks
of their structure. In addition, we have an alimentary canal, where food
passes from one end, the mouth, to the other, just like earthworms. We are
also vertebrates, that is, like fish, we have a bony spine which protects a
nerve cord, and a head at one end which has an array of sense organs. We
have four limbs like frogs and iguanas. We are mammals. Like mice, we nurse
our young with a proteinous secretion produced by special glands. We are
placentals, and bear our young live.
Indeed, we ARE animals, specifically mammals. We ingest, digest, defecate,
copulate, nurse. We love and we hate. We are prideful and compassionate. We
have hair, eyes, three ear-bones and two gonads. We are composed of blood
and bones, livers and brains, synapses and cell-membranes. These are all
features of life found in many other animals.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Jun 2004 02:35:05 PM |
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 17 Jun 2004 11:50:41 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ok, so we have non-human apes, and human-apes. Therefore per science,
humans are human apes, which means they are still clasiffied as apes.
It is interesting then to see, that evolutionist do not like to think
of man as an animal. people have a need to clasify humans as totally
diferrent creature...
why do you belive that is so???
Because we are of the genus homo, which split off from the other
primates about five million years ago. We are characterized by large
forebrains, an upright stance, and (in later species) very fine body
hair. As you pointed out yourself, we are all part of the family
Pongidae.
We are apes. But in common usage, ape refers to something different.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2004 09:44:29 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<5gs3d0t7ppmlkemaotmeh37ekc0pst4sqi@4ax.com>...
Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 17 Jun 2004 11:50:41 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
ok, so we have non-human apes, and human-apes. Therefore per science,
humans are human apes, which means they are still clasiffied as apes.
It is interesting then to see, that evolutionist do not like to think
of man as an animal. people have a need to clasify humans as totally
diferrent creature...
why do you belive that is so???
Because we are of the genus homo, which split off from the other
primates about five million years ago. We are characterized by large
forebrains, an upright stance, and (in later species) very fine body
hair. As you pointed out yourself, we are all part of the family
Pongidae.
We are apes. But in common usage, ape refers to something different.
Which was the point I was trying to make at the start of the thread.
however human are not pongidae, they are Homonide, and per science the
only specie, unlike the chimp and the bonobo.
so per evolutionary Science Carol was Wrong and I was right.
EOD
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Jun 2004 01:19:11 AM |
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 17 Jun 2004 19:44:29 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Which was the point I was trying to make at the start of the thread.
however human are not pongidae, they are Homonide, and per science the
only specie, unlike the chimp and the bonobo.
True, but we are both order Primate. We're cousins.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Jun 2004 12:22:36 PM |
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 16 Jun 2004 04:16:10 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so, you admit that Humans are not apes? better tell that to the guy
who coined "homosapiens"
No, we are related to apes. and it's Homo sapiens. Two words, with
the genus capitalized. Our closest relative is the chimpanzee (Pan
troglodytes). There's a movement to reclassify the chimp into Homo
(H. troglodytes) since we share about 98% of our DNA.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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16 Jun 2004 05:09:03 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<jb01d053j2pi8mure26tpvfqjftgaetdoi@4ax.com>...
Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 16 Jun 2004 04:16:10 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so humans are not apes. Can I quote you on this?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Jun 2004 05:19:06 AM |
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Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 16 Jun 2004 15:09:03 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<jb01d053j2pi8mure26tpvfqjftgaetdoi@4ax.com>...
Great Lord jabriol@hotmail.com, braving the raging storm, scaled the
mighty crag called alt.atheism on 16 Jun 2004 04:16:10 -0700 and
screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<b1duc01eppu1ul4aspducb7vgn5nno0gde@4ax.com>...
No, we and the apes come from a common ancestor.
so humans are not apes. Can I quote you on this?
Go ahead. We are related to the apes, in that we are both primates
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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15 Jun 2004 02:20:18 PM |
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On 15 Jun 2004 02:55:32 -0700, wrote:
ohhh humans comes from birds...
My mate does.
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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14 Jun 2004 10:59:12 PM |
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wrote in message news:<e4bcbc36.0406141018.2df2445d@posting.google.com>
{Latest lies and ***** snipped]
1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon).
True or false?
2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic.
True or false?
3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure. True/false?
4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?
5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?
6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the
desert leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we
are in trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?
7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life
turning into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that
each different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to
its kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came
into being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?
8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it
was or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx
had pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features
and therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?
9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, is pretty much what a
transitional giraffe could have looked like.
True or false?
10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over
60 million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?
12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?
13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents
one "kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?
14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?
15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?
19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in
these news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal
holes in the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence
from others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?
24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer with at least one competent and
intelligent reference that does not refer to a non-existent article in
_New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation, and is not merely a
headline from an article that has nothing otherwise to do with the
topic.
You can hide all you want like the cowardly liar that you are, but the
questions will always be out here, very public, very unanswered, very
embarrassing.
Budikka
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14 Jun 2004 06:03:05 PM |
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wrote in message news:<e4bcbc36.0406141018.2df2445d@posting.google.com>...
"Finzen Funne" <FreeTheJWS@this.NG> wrote in message news:<P9qdnZEn4csHrVDdRVn-jA@heartoftn.net>...
"SuperMommy" <flsupermommy@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:40ccec88$1_2@127.0.0.1...> Also, for people who think that
scientists don't believe in creationism or solely believe that man
came from apes,
$$ No one ever claimed we came from apes. Please learn a little about
evolution before posting.
Carol's highschool education, or better yet, lack of education, cause
her to brainfart once again.
Scince claims that all humans are apes.
Please learn a little aboutevolution before posting.
or better yet, get off the net and service your husband, and leave
this subject who know about, to discuss it.
hey suppermommy,
if a women fail marriage once, get dumped by her "second" husband in
Tenn, lose custody of her son, and become a love pillow to a third
biker gangster.
who is at fault for her failure with men?
God?
Men?
or the woman?
Wow. Hey Jabs, you really need to see some counseling for the anger
issues there before you eat a hole in your stomach.
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