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31 Oct 2004 06:31:57 PM |
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TOBS: Demi Human |
(chris h fleming) wrote in message news:<8dd8e508.0410310530.141e4c9c@posting.google.com>...
Has it ever been attempted to breed a human with a bonobo (or chimp)?
the question of the ages. If evolution is a fact, this should not be a problem.
If not, is anyone ever going to try?
nope. many claim that ethics are involved.
The anxiety is killing me. I have wanted to know this for years, but
the only information I can ever find is about that shaved chimp that
was raised as a human.
manpanzee will never see the light of day.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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31 Oct 2004 09:53:23 PM |
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On 31 Oct 2004 16:31:57 -0800, (JaBrIoLeGit) said
in alt.atheism:
chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com (chris h fleming) wrote in message news:<8dd8e508.0410310530.141e4c9c@posting.google.com>...
Has it ever been attempted to breed a human with a bonobo (or chimp)?
the question of the ages. If evolution is a fact, this should not be a problem.
Since one of the definitions of speciation specify that breeding can't
occur between species, this is almost a non-issue.
If not, is anyone ever going to try?
nope. many claim that ethics are involved.
Nothing wrong with sex between 2 consenting adults - even if they
aren't of the same species. The only trouble is that, so far, no one
of any species other than human seems to be interested.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Firelock" |
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01 Nov 2004 10:19:16 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<4mcbo0dqptpb91dgt4vdbao9juf36noevj@4ax.com>...
Nothing wrong with sex between 2 consenting adults - even if they
aren't of the same species. The only trouble is that, so far, no one
of any species other than human seems to be interested.
While consent is difficult to establish, there are a plethora
of data points on the web (many on usenet) showing that interested
enough humans can get species other than human interested.
Leviticus has the fundies all bothered about the results, though.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Nov 2004 10:36:21 PM |
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On 1 Nov 2004 08:19:16 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<4mcbo0dqptpb91dgt4vdbao9juf36noevj@4ax.com>...
Nothing wrong with sex between 2 consenting adults - even if they
aren't of the same species. The only trouble is that, so far, no one
of any species other than human seems to be interested.
While consent is difficult to establish
Only among those unable to communicate, and gorillas and chimpanzees,
at least, aren't numbered among those.
there are a plethora
of data points on the web (many on usenet) showing that interested
enough humans can get species other than human interested.
But not to the point that they can give informed consent.
Leviticus has the fundies all bothered about the results, though.
Then the fundies can ship out, since it's plain that they'll never be
able to shape up.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Firelock" |
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02 Nov 2004 08:23:00 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<ni3eo05ak0hbcg288pm6g2kbc6iitcfsn2@4ax.com>...
On 1 Nov 2004 08:19:16 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<4mcbo0dqptpb91dgt4vdbao9juf36noevj@4ax.com>...
Nothing wrong with sex between 2 consenting adults - even if they
aren't of the same species. The only trouble is that, so far, no one
of any species other than human seems to be interested.
While consent is difficult to establish
Only among those unable to communicate, and gorillas and chimpanzees,
at least, aren't numbered among those.
There is still controversy about whether goriallas and
chimpanzees can give consent in the same way humans
can - a common stance is that "animals" (for whatever
value we give the term "animal") have at best the
mentality of children, and thus cannot give meaningful
consent to anything. The fact that animals are not
children seems to escape people who hold such a stance.
there are a plethora
of data points on the web (many on usenet) showing that interested
enough humans can get species other than human interested.
But not to the point that they can give informed consent.
As I said.
Leviticus has the fundies all bothered about the results, though.
Then the fundies can ship out, since it's plain that they'll never be
able to shape up.
Ship them out to where?
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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02 Nov 2004 10:45:01 PM |
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On 2 Nov 2004 06:23:00 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<ni3eo05ak0hbcg288pm6g2kbc6iitcfsn2@4ax.com>...
On 1 Nov 2004 08:19:16 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<4mcbo0dqptpb91dgt4vdbao9juf36noevj@4ax.com>...
Nothing wrong with sex between 2 consenting adults - even if they
aren't of the same species. The only trouble is that, so far, no one
of any species other than human seems to be interested.
While consent is difficult to establish
Only among those unable to communicate, and gorillas and chimpanzees,
at least, aren't numbered among those.
There is still controversy about whether goriallas and
chimpanzees can give consent in the same way humans
can
Koko has made it abundantly clear that she has NO interest in having
sex with a human being.
- a common stance is that "animals" (for whatever
value we give the term "animal") have at best the
mentality of children, and thus cannot give meaningful
consent to anything.
The fact that we make the claim doesn't mean that the claim is true.
(Anyone who would ponder the pros and cons of having a pet for weeks
is less a child than most human adults.)
Leviticus has the fundies all bothered about the results, though.
Then the fundies can ship out, since it's plain that they'll never be
able to shape up.
Ship them out to where?
Where their god lives.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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03 Nov 2004 01:29:58 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<ndogo0t8n2fi77ldgc5lsdmg3do32v7p2t@4ax.com>...
On 2 Nov 2004 06:23:00 -0800, (Firelock) said
Koko has made it abundantly clear that she has NO interest in having
sex with a human being.
did you try flowers?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Nov 2004 10:17:35 PM |
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On 3 Nov 2004 11:29:58 -0800, (Jabriol) said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<ndogo0t8n2fi77ldgc5lsdmg3do32v7p2t@4ax.com>...
On 2 Nov 2004 06:23:00 -0800, (Firelock) said
Koko has made it abundantly clear that she has NO interest in having
sex with a human being.
did you try flowers?
You'd just eat them. (Koko is far more intelligent than you are.)
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Firelock" |
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03 Nov 2004 08:00:56 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<ndogo0t8n2fi77ldgc5lsdmg3do32v7p2t@4ax.com>...
On 2 Nov 2004 06:23:00 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
- a common stance is that "animals" (for whatever
value we give the term "animal") have at best the
mentality of children, and thus cannot give meaningful
consent to anything.
The fact that we make the claim doesn't mean that the claim is true.
The part of my paragraph that you snipped out said exactly this.
You are selectively snipping my post to create the appearance
of an argument. How bizarre.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Nov 2004 10:16:52 PM |
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On 3 Nov 2004 06:00:56 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<ndogo0t8n2fi77ldgc5lsdmg3do32v7p2t@4ax.com>...
On 2 Nov 2004 06:23:00 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
- a common stance is that "animals" (for whatever
value we give the term "animal") have at best the
mentality of children, and thus cannot give meaningful
consent to anything.
The fact that we make the claim doesn't mean that the claim is true.
The part of my paragraph that you snipped out said exactly this.
You are selectively snipping my post to create the appearance
of an argument. How bizarre.
You don't get to decide which parts of your posts I address. I do.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Firelock" |
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04 Nov 2004 08:02:36 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<c8bjo0hf5vnpvpbdtnqr831poim39u8r58@4ax.com>...
On 3 Nov 2004 06:00:56 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
The part of my paragraph that you snipped out said exactly this.
You are selectively snipping my post to create the appearance
of an argument. How bizarre.
You don't get to decide which parts of your posts I address. I do.
It's as if I write, "I think A is interesting, but don't forget
about B", and you quote back "Firelock said 'I think A is
interesting...', but he forgot all about B!"
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Nov 2004 09:31:16 PM |
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On 4 Nov 2004 06:02:36 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<c8bjo0hf5vnpvpbdtnqr831poim39u8r58@4ax.com>...
On 3 Nov 2004 06:00:56 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
The part of my paragraph that you snipped out said exactly this.
You are selectively snipping my post to create the appearance
of an argument. How bizarre.
You don't get to decide which parts of your posts I address. I do.
It's as if I write, "I think A is interesting, but don't forget
about B", and you quote back "Firelock said 'I think A is
interesting...', but he forgot all about B!"
Ignoring something you said and claiming that you said the opposite of
what you said aren't the same thing.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Firelock" |
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08 Nov 2004 08:43:46 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<cahoo0p72rg6iqhpf2dcgh65ct62aokngt@4ax.com>...
On 4 Nov 2004 06:02:36 -0800, (Firelock) said
in alt.atheism:
It's as if I write, "I think A is interesting, but don't forget
about B", and you quote back "Firelock said 'I think A is
interesting...', but he forgot all about B!"
Ignoring something you said and claiming that you said the opposite of
what you said aren't the same thing.
They can be, and in this case they are.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Steven J." |
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31 Oct 2004 10:14:29 PM |
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Out of idle curiousity, how can this be a "talk.origins banned subject"
when the post to which you are replying appeared on talk.origins, and
posters to talk.origins specifically referred the original poster to
you for an answer? Your very title to your post is a lie.
JaBrIoLeGit wrote:
chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com (chris h fleming) wrote in message
news:<8dd8e508.0410310530.141e4c9c@posting.google.com>...
Has it ever been attempted to breed a human with a bonobo (or
chimp)?
the question of the ages. If evolution is a fact, this should not be
a problem.
Why so? Humans and chimps share a common ancestor. Humans and rhesus
monkeys share a rather more remote common ancestor. Humans (and other
mammals, like dogs) and chickens (and other birds) share a far more
remote common ancestor. If common ancestry implies a continued ability
to interbreed, then you ought to demand dog-chicken hybrids be produced
("dickens").
Conversely there are known examples (actually observed cases are in
plants, but a few cases are strongly inferred for animals) of
speciation by polyploidy (one species has double the number of
chromosomes as the parent species). Although obviously very closely
related, such species pairs are quite intersterile. So even very brief
periods of separate evolution can, in principle, alter sibling species
to be incapable of breeding with each other.
So your insistence that if humans and chimps shared a common ancestor
some six million years ago, they ought still to be capable of
interbreeding, is clearly mistaken (in which respect, of course, it is
not unlike your notion of what constitutes a "TOBS").
If not, is anyone ever going to try?
nope. many claim that ethics are involved.
I realize that the concepts of ethics is alien to you.
The anxiety is killing me. I have wanted to know this for years,
but
the only information I can ever find is about that shaved chimp
that
was raised as a human.
manpanzee will never see the light of day.
-- Steven J.
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| User: "JaBrIoLeGit" |
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01 Nov 2004 04:16:11 PM |
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"Steven J." <steven_j@altavista.com> wrote in message news:<1099282469.552741.137200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
Out of idle curiousity, how can this be a "talk.origins banned subject"
when the post to which you are replying appeared on talk.origins, and
posters to talk.origins specifically referred the original poster to
you for an answer? Your very title to your post is a lie.
JaBrIoLeGit wrote:
chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com (chris h fleming) wrote in message
news:<8dd8e508.0410310530.141e4c9c@posting.google.com>...
Has it ever been attempted to breed a human with a bonobo (or
chimp)?
the question of the ages. If evolution is a fact, this should not be
a problem.
Why so? Humans and chimps share a common ancestor. Humans and rhesus
monkeys share a rather more remote common ancestor. Humans (and other
mammals, like dogs) and chickens (and other birds) share a far more
remote common ancestor. If common ancestry implies a continued ability
to interbreed, then you ought to demand dog-chicken hybrids be produced
("dickens").
Humans and a banana share over 50% of genetic material. does that make
people
half vegetatation? maybe somebody ancestor was a cucumber. Every
living thing share gentics. this could be done by a designer. Even a
child can build many things with Legos.
Conversely there are known examples (actually observed cases are in
plants, but a few cases are strongly inferred for animals) of
speciation by polyploidy (one species has double the number of
chromosomes as the parent species).
been thru this argument before.
Although obviously very closely
related, such species pairs are quite intersterile. So even very brief
periods of separate evolution can, in principle, alter sibling species
to be incapable of breeding with each other.
So your insistence that if humans and chimps shared a common ancestor
some six million years ago, they ought still to be capable of
interbreeding, is clearly mistaken (in which respect, of course, it is
not unlike your notion of what constitutes a "TOBS").
there is no evidence, that human or anything else share ancestry withy
anything.
it is assumed. That is not science. that is guess work and faith. This
is the same reason the Manpanzee would never be.
If not, is anyone ever going to try?
nope. many claim that ethics are involved.
I realize that the concepts of ethics is alien to you.
Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.. ask Cristopher Reeves widow.
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02 Nov 2004 12:49:55 AM |
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On 1 Nov 2004 14:16:11 -0800, (JaBrIoLeGit) said
in alt.atheism:
Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.. ask Cristopher Reeves widow.
Yes. Idiots like you banned stem cell research because of ethics, so
your ethics caused a man to die.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "Daes N. Nites" |
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02 Nov 2004 02:19:42 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:febeo0h8vjqs294mrm6b5899693doabhms@4ax.com...
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They
slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any
sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of
its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins
over to its
side."
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This is the TRUTH. Just visit a few religious NGs and it quickly becomes
apparent....
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DNN.......
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org./2004.htm
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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02 Nov 2004 07:00:41 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<febeo0h8vjqs294mrm6b5899693doabhms@4ax.com>...
On 1 Nov 2004 14:16:11 -0800, (JaBrIoLeGit) said
in alt.atheism:
Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.. ask Cristopher Reeves widow.
Yes. Idiots like you banned stem cell research because of ethics, so
your ethics caused a man to die.
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Moi.. ethics? I did not banned a thing. Chritopher Reeves died,
because he fell off a horse... not my fault, if the horse got ticked
off and threw him...
let me ask you this oh master of Ethics...
is the war in Irak ethical?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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02 Nov 2004 10:42:29 PM |
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On 2 Nov 2004 05:00:41 -0800, (Jabriol) said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<febeo0h8vjqs294mrm6b5899693doabhms@4ax.com>...
On 1 Nov 2004 14:16:11 -0800, (JaBrIoLeGit) said
in alt.atheism:
Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.. ask Cristopher Reeves widow.
Yes. Idiots like you banned stem cell research because of ethics, so
your ethics caused a man to die.
Moi.. ethics? I did not banned a thing.
But you just proved that you're an idiot. I said "Idiots like you".
is the war in Irak ethical?
You mean "should the American terrorists be brought back home, and the
Iraqi patriots left alone?"
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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02 Nov 2004 11:34:24 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 2 Nov 2004 05:00:41 -0800, (Jabriol) said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<febeo0h8vjqs294mrm6b5899693doabhms@4ax.com>...
On 1 Nov 2004 14:16:11 -0800, (JaBrIoLeGit) said
in alt.atheism:
Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.. ask Cristopher Reeves widow.
Yes. Idiots like you banned stem cell research because of ethics, so
your ethics caused a man to die.
Moi.. ethics? I did not banned a thing.
But you just proved that you're an idiot. I said "Idiots like you".
## Jabriol (a Jehovah's Witness) is a masochist. He gets off when someone
humiliates him.
is the war in Irak ethical?
You mean "should the American terrorists be brought back home, and the
Iraqi patriots left alone?"
## Yes, Jabriol was taught by the Watchtower Society that Christians should
not defend themselves from criminals, terrorists or murderers. They believe
their Jehovah gave the Iraqis "free will" to come and kill every American,
and take our country. They believe this would please Jehovah. They are to
stand there and allow such people to slaughter them, their loved ones and
everyone they know. We are standing in the way of the terrorists "free
will: by stopping them, or defending ourselves. It's a dangerous cult who
enjoy their freedoms because someone did go fight a war while they peddled
the Watchtower's magazines and books.....
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IO.....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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03 Nov 2004 06:58:42 AM |
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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:34:24 -0600, "Anointed One"
<Recover_Here@This.exJW.NG> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:maogo054ajdcnhe19m1ji2g9lbsv9sfhq8@4ax.com...
## Jabriol (a Jehovah's Witness) is a masochist. He gets off when someone
humiliates him.
I've known Jabbers for years.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human - Jabriol is a Jehovah's Witness - Iraquis can kill us |
04 Nov 2004 03:42:05 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:34:24 -0600, "Anointed One"
<Recover_Here@This.exJW.NG> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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## Jabriol (a Jehovah's Witness)
The final conclusion of my trip back east is this. This Antonio person who
used to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses fell away many years ago. He may
never have been disfellowshipped but he disassociated himself in the 90s.
He may still believe that he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses because he has
never officially been disfellowshipped but his harsh, un-Christian manner
of speech betrays the fact that he is no longer acting like one of Jehovah's
Witnesses and as far as I can tell, he is a rogue. All of the Camden
congregations are quite loving and even though Camden is certainly no
Beverly Hills, it is Disneyland compared to the 'hood I grew up in NYC!
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| User: "-= Saint Karril =-" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human - Jabriol is a Jehovah's Witness - L Perez proven liar |
04 Nov 2004 02:50:16 PM |
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"L Perez" a KNOWN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:UsKdnTzzxejxZBTcRVn-rg@comcast.com...
The final conclusion of my trip back east is this. This Antonio person who
used to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses fell away many years ago.
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This is utter bullmanure as you never went to Camden NJ. Jabriol is indeed
a Jehovah's Witness, and has been for years.
WT DDT....
Well, then, have I become YOUR enemy because I tell YOU the truth (about
Jabriol)?
Galatians 4:16 NWT
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human - Jabriol is a Jehovah's Witness - L Perez proven liar |
11 Nov 2004 01:16:39 PM |
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"-= Saint Karril =-" <Get_Recover_Here@This.exJW.NG> wrote in message
news:6cadnbXVPraWCxfcRVn-2g@heartoftn.net...
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: "L Perez" a KNOWN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote
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: message news:UsKdnTzzxejxZBTcRVn-rg@comcast.com...
: >
: > The final conclusion of my trip back east is this. This Antonio
person who
: > used to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses fell away many years ago.
: =====================
: This is utter bullmanure as you never went to Camden NJ. Jabriol is
indeed
: a Jehovah's Witness, and has been for years.
Spellcheck! It's "witless", not "witness".....
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human - Jabriol is a Jehovah's Witness - L Perez proven liar |
11 Nov 2004 05:26:32 PM |
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"Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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"-= Saint Karril =-" <Get_Recover_Here@This.exJW.NG> wrote in message
news:6cadnbXVPraWCxfcRVn-2g@heartoftn.net...
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: "L Perez" a KNOWN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote
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: message news:UsKdnTzzxejxZBTcRVn-rg@comcast.com...
: >
: > The final conclusion of my trip back east is this. This Antonio
person who
: > used to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses fell away many years ago.
: =====================
: This is utter bullmanure as you never went to Camden NJ. Jabriol is
indeed
: a Jehovah's Witness, and has been for years.
Spellcheck! It's "witless", not "witness".....
You keep tripping over Jabriol's strings but still don't seem to get it...
Jabriol is nothing more than an online version of "Chuckie" (as in the
wooden doll that comes to "life" in that horror movie Child's Play) animated
by its puppeteer for the sole purpose of making Jehovah's Witnesses look
just plain bad. Why would anyone ignore all those strings above Jabriol
every time he dances, even when they so often get tangled? Because some
people just don't want to know the truth about other religions, instead
opting to waddle like penguins with the crowd. They're unwilling to attend a
meeting (open to the general public) at their local Kingdom Hall of
Jehovah's Witnesses, and check them out firsthand, simply because they're
afraid they might think afterwards, "I wonder if this Jabriol character is a
real JW? After meeting these nice people and finding out more about what
they believe, I'm starting to doubt that Jabriol is real..." I think people
who are close minded to what other religions believe are prime candidates
for having the wool pulled over their eyes in the staged opera of usenet.
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human - Jabriol is a Jehovah's Witness - L Perez proven liar |
12 Nov 2004 05:55:18 AM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message news:<4193f580_1@Usenet.com>...
"Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:cn0dqn$onh$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"-= Saint Karril =-" <Get_Recover_Here@This.exJW.NG> wrote in message
news:6cadnbXVPraWCxfcRVn-2g@heartoftn.net...
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: "L Perez" a KNOWN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote
in
: message news:UsKdnTzzxejxZBTcRVn-rg@comcast.com...
: >
: > The final conclusion of my trip back east is this. This Antonio
person who
: > used to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses fell away many years ago.
: =====================
: This is utter bullmanure as you never went to Camden NJ. Jabriol is
indeed
: a Jehovah's Witness, and has been for years.
Spellcheck! It's "witless", not "witness".....
You keep tripping over Jabriol's strings but still don't seem to get it...
Jabriol is nothing more than an online version of "Chuckie" (as in the
wooden doll that comes to "life" in that horror movie Child's Play) animated
by its puppeteer for the sole purpose of making Jehovah's Witnesses look
just plain bad.
a JW, watching chuckie???? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "Jack Selman" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human - Jabriol is a Jehovah's Witness - L Perez proven liar |
12 Nov 2004 08:42:40 AM |
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On 12 Nov 2004 03:55:18 -0800, (Jabriol) wrote:
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message news:<4193f580_1@Usenet.com>...
"Ghod" <ghod@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:cn0dqn$onh$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"-= Saint Karril =-" <Get_Recover_Here@This.exJW.NG> wrote in message
news:6cadnbXVPraWCxfcRVn-2g@heartoftn.net...
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: "L Perez" a KNOWN PATHOLOGICAL LIAR <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote
in
: message news:UsKdnTzzxejxZBTcRVn-rg@comcast.com...
: >
: > The final conclusion of my trip back east is this. This Antonio
person who
: > used to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses fell away many years ago.
: =====================
: This is utter bullmanure as you never went to Camden NJ. Jabriol is
indeed
: a Jehovah's Witness, and has been for years.
Spellcheck! It's "witless", not "witness".....
You keep tripping over Jabriol's strings but still don't seem to get it...
Jabriol is nothing more than an online version of "Chuckie" (as in the
wooden doll that comes to "life" in that horror movie Child's Play) animated
by its puppeteer for the sole purpose of making Jehovah's Witnesses look
just plain bad.
a JW, watching chuckie???? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL, indeed! We all know Precise Barbara is a faux joho.
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I will kill file Vero right now so I never have to
here another depraved word utter forth from her filthy mouth and stone cold
heart again. - in Message-ID: <4143b24c_4@Usenet.com>
They need to do more than put that hot scalding cup of coffee down. Someone
needs to splash it in their face. - in Message-ID: <411e32f9_2@Usenet.com>
Nothing is worth the pain and humiliation this newsgroup has caused me
in the past month.- in Message-ID: <413267fd_1@Usenet.com>
LET THIS NEWSGROUP DIE for it is not only controlled by a racist who hates
Jehovah's Witnesses, but I genuinely believe that my mistake of having
posted here has placed myself, family and local friends in possible danger.- in Message-ID: <413267fd_1@Usenet.com>
Thank you for listening and helping during these depressing times! It would
be easier to just stop posting altogether but wouldn't that essentially mean
these "cyber-terrorists" win? - in Message-ID: <4119d989_2@Usenet.com>
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human - Jabriol is a Jehovah's Witness - Iraquis can kill us |
04 Nov 2004 08:50:11 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 02:42:05 -0700, "L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
He may still believe that he is one of Jehovah's Witnesses because he has
never officially been disfellowshipped but his harsh, un-Christian manner
of speech
This is different from the unChristian *ACTS* of those who run the
Witchtower, how? In a) being less offensive because b) Jabbers isn't
mentally competent?
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human |
03 Nov 2004 08:31:53 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<maogo054ajdcnhe19m1ji2g9lbsv9sfhq8@4ax.com>...
On 2 Nov 2004 05:00:41 -0800, (Jabriol) said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<febeo0h8vjqs294mrm6b5899693doabhms@4ax.com>...
On 1 Nov 2004 14:16:11 -0800, (JaBrIoLeGit) said
in alt.atheism:
Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.. ask Cristopher Reeves widow.
Yes. Idiots like you banned stem cell research because of ethics, so
your ethics caused a man to die.
Moi.. ethics? I did not banned a thing.
But you just proved that you're an idiot. I said "Idiots like you".
actually, the idiot is you, I don't care about stem cell research one
way or another. Atheist like you have a tendency to throw every one in
the same bag.
classic mistake of the unthinking ignorants of atheism such as
yourself..
is the war in Irak ethical?
You mean "should the American terrorists be brought back home, and the
Iraqi patriots left alone?"
No; I mean, is the war in Irak is ethical?
My english is bad, but not that much bad... or you are much of a moron
and your comprehension level is that of third graderes with down
syndrome.
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| User: "Anointed One" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human _ Jabriol will soon claim this is a forged post. |
03 Nov 2004 11:27:54 AM |
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"Jabriol" <> wrote in message
news:9e9431eb.0411030631.462ae081@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 2 Nov 2004 05:00:41 -0800, (Jabriol) said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<febeo0h8vjqs294mrm6b5899693doabhms@4ax.com>...
On 1 Nov 2004 14:16:11 -0800, (JaBrIoLeGit) said
in alt.atheism:
Ethics is in the eye of the beholder.. ask Cristopher Reeves widow.
Yes. Idiots like you banned stem cell research because of ethics, so
your ethics caused a man to die.
Moi.. ethics? I did not banned a thing.
But you just proved that you're an idiot. I said "Idiots like you".
actually, the idiot is you, I don't care about stem cell research one
way or another. Atheist like you have a tendency to throw every one in
the same bag.
classic mistake of the unthinking ignorants of atheism such as
yourself..
is the war in Irak ethical?
You mean "should the American terrorists be brought back home, and the
Iraqi patriots left alone?"
No; I mean, is the war in Irak is ethical?
My english is bad, but not that much bad... or you are much of a moron
and your comprehension level is that of third graderes with down
syndrome.
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Jabriol, a fine example of a Jehovah's Witness and CREATIONIST, claims all
posts such as this are forgeries. Maybe Jabriol can tell us if this is a
forged post or not - before L Perez heads for Camden NJ again to track him
down for disfellowshipping.
AO....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Demi Human _ Jabriol will soon claim this is a forged post. |
04 Nov 2004 10:47:14 AM |
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"Anointed One" <Recover_Here@This.exJW.NG> wrote in message
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Jabriol, a fine example of a Jehovah's Witness and CREATIONIST, claims all
posts such as this are forgeries. Maybe Jabriol can tell us if this is a
forged post or not - before L Perez heads for Camden NJ again to track him
down for disfellowshipping.
nope not forged.. a few typos...
one thing however.. JW's are not creationist...
now go feed your grandson a banana and comb his face...
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