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Religions > Atheism |
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"ZilentNoise" |
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13 Jun 2007 08:51:26 AM |
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TOBS disagreements among scientists on evolution |
When a special centennial edition of Darwin’s Origin of Species was
to be published, W. R. Thompson, then director of the Commonwealth
Institute of Biological Control, in Ottawa, Canada, was invited to write
its introduction. In it he said: “As we know, there is a great
divergence of opinion among biologists, not only about the causes of
evolution but even about the actual process. This divergence exists
because the evidence is unsatisfactory and does not permit any certain
conclusion. It is therefore right and proper to draw the attention of
the non-scientific public to the disagreements about evolution.
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| User: "ZilentPanzer" |
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| Title: Re: ape-men? -Richard Leakey- |
19 Jun 2007 05:04:26 PM |
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William Wingstedt wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:28:45 GMT, Kathy <Kathy9045@boomail.com> wrote:
From all the stories that appear in newspapers, magazines and books,
and from museum displays, it would seem that the evidence is abundant to
show that modern man evolved from apelike creatures. That is what the
unwary public generally believe. But is this really the case?
Not really. Modern man *is an apelike creature. In fact, they are so
apelike that they may actually be apes. What's wrong with being an
ape? It seems like a fine thing to be. What would you rather be?
Another participant in this thread, answered a bit different than you.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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| Title: Re: ape-men? -Richard Leakey- |
20 Jun 2007 11:46:52 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:04:26 GMT, ZilentPanzer
<ZilentPanzer@mailinator.com> wrote:
William Wingstedt wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:28:45 GMT, Kathy <Kathy9045@boomail.com> wrote:
From all the stories that appear in newspapers, magazines and books,
and from museum displays, it would seem that the evidence is abundant to
show that modern man evolved from apelike creatures. That is what the
unwary public generally believe. But is this really the case?
Not really. Modern man *is an apelike creature. In fact, they are so
apelike that they may actually be apes. What's wrong with being an
ape? It seems like a fine thing to be. What would you rather be?
Another participant in this thread, answered a bit different than you.
I can't quite divine what you mean from the rather interesting yet odd
collection of words you have assembled. You are another participant in
this thread. I might take it to mean that you wish to be some other
participant in this thread, and to have received an answer from me
that is different from one I have provided. I might parse this, trying
to keep the same flavor of your response as:
A different participant in this thread, answered to differently.
Then again, perhaps you wish to remain as yourself and be another
participant in this thread, somehow making your previous participation
as if it never was, and answered to differently by either me or
somebody else. The difficulty there is that I have not knowingly
responded to you, in which case I could not answer differently.
I hope you can see that I'm having some trouble with your sentence
construction. It really makes no sense. If I remove the comma, it
seems to be trying to be a statement informing me that another
participant in this thread answered differently than I did. Please
clarify and I'll see what I can do.
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| User: "Mennia" |
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| Title: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 06:19:09 AM |
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“There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved.”—Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
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| User: "=?Windows-1252?B?fiBT5GJs6yB+?=" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 01:36:14 PM |
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"Mennia" Impersonated by jabriol<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:NYOdi.2823$Zh6.862@trnddc04...
“There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the remarkable
change from reptile to bird was achieved.”—Biology and Comparative
Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
How old is this material Antonio-jabbers?
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SA....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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| User: "Wombat" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 10:12:53 AM |
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On 19 Jun, 13:19, Mennia <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved."-Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
What is the date of that book. Was it written in 1960, well before
the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in China, EXCLUDING the well
known hoax, in case your hands start waving.
btw, any cite should include a date, much has happened since 1960.
One is almost tempted to wonder if the dates are intentionally left
out - na, you wouldn't do that, would you?
Wombat
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| User: "Mennia" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 01:39:22 PM |
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"Wombat" <trigby@multiweb.nl> wrote in message
news:1182265973.865507.298440@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 19 Jun, 13:19, Mennia impersonated by sociopath JABRIOL
<inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved."-Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
What is the date of that book. Was it written in 1960, well before
the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in China, EXCLUDING the well
known hoax, in case your hands start waving.
btw, any cite should include a date, much has happened since 1960.
One is almost tempted to wonder if the dates are intentionally left
out - na, you wouldn't do that, would you?
Sure he would! Has jabbers every been honest? LOL!!!!!!! But then, what
can we expect from a "creationist" desperate to sway people to his way of
thinking. ;-)
Wombat
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 02:21:31 PM |
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"Mennia" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:f597qq$l4g$1@stable.tornevall.net...
"Wombat" <trigby@multiweb.nl> wrote in message
news:1182265973.865507.298440@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 19 Jun, 13:19, Mennia impersonated by sociopath JABRIOL
<inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved."-Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
What is the date of that book. Was it written in 1960, well before
the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in China, EXCLUDING the well
known hoax, in case your hands start waving.
btw, any cite should include a date, much has happened since 1960.
One is almost tempted to wonder if the dates are intentionally left
out - na, you wouldn't do that, would you?
Sure he would! Has jabbers every been honest? LOL!!!!!!! But then, what
can we expect from a "creationist" desperate to sway people to his way of
thinking. ;-)
And get people murdered............. your point?
Wombat
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 11:04:46 AM |
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I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight
Wombat <trigby@multiweb.nl> , from the slab, began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
On 19 Jun, 13:19, Mennia <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved."-Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
What is the date of that book. Was it written in 1960, well before
the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in China, EXCLUDING the well
known hoax, in case your hands start waving.
btw, any cite should include a date, much has happened since 1960.
One is almost tempted to wonder if the dates are intentionally left
out - na, you wouldn't do that, would you?
Wombat
Mennia is Jabriol, a Jehovah's Witness. How honest do you think they are?
Hazard a guess.
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 01:41:44 PM |
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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.Org.uk> wrote
in message news:1jd4avx58qc2i.1bji23uj7fy65.dlg@40tude.net...
Mennia is Jabriol, a Jehovah's Witness. How honest do you think they are?
Hazard a guess.
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 02:20:47 PM |
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"Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4678236b$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com...
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.Org.uk> wrote
in message news:1jd4avx58qc2i.1bji23uj7fy65.dlg@40tude.net...
Mennia is Jabriol, a Jehovah's Witness. How honest do you think they are?
Hazard a guess.
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
How else to get reponce?
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| User: "ZilentPanzer" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 05:08:58 PM |
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Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are supposed
to be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 07:36:45 PM |
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"ZilentPanzer" <ZilentPanzer@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:_tYdi.2879$Zh6.2035@trnddc04...
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are supposed to
be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Take a little too much medication again Antonio? You have over 140 socks
plus all those you impersonate... so yeah, I would say you suffer from not
only brain seizures but MPD, borderline personality disorder and
narcissism.
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| User: "§ñühw¤£f" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
20 Jun 2007 09:29:35 AM |
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Kathy <Kathy9045@gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile
of<467876a0$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>:
"ZilentPanzer" <ZilentPanzer@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:_tYdi.2879$Zh6.2035@trnddc04...
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol
is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are
supposed to
be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Take a little too much medication again Antonio? You have over 140
socks
plus all those you impersonate... so yeah, I would say you suffer from
not
only brain seizures but MPD, borderline personality disorder and
narcissism.
What makes you think he's "suffering"?
Seems pretty happy about it to me...
--
www.smirkingchimp.com
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
20 Jun 2007 03:45:56 PM |
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"§ñühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:467939ce$0$97253$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
Kathy <Kathy9045@gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile
of<467876a0$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>:
"ZilentPanzer" <ZilentPanzer@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:_tYdi.2879$Zh6.2035@trnddc04...
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol
is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are
supposed to
be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Take a little too much medication again Antonio? You have over 140
socks
plus all those you impersonate... so yeah, I would say you suffer from
not
only brain seizures but MPD, borderline personality disorder and
narcissism.
What makes you think he's "suffering"?
Seems pretty happy about it to me...
On second thought...... :-)))
--
www.smirkingchimp.com
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| User: "§ñühw¤£f" |
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21 Jun 2007 09:10:08 AM |
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Kathy <Kathy9045@gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile
of<4679920c$0$1344$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>:
"§ñühw¤£f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:467939ce$0$97253$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
Kathy <Kathy9045@gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile
of<467876a0$0$1349$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>:
"ZilentPanzer" <ZilentPanzer@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:_tYdi.2879$Zh6.2035@trnddc04...
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness
Jabriol
is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are
supposed to
be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Take a little too much medication again Antonio? You have over 140
socks
plus all those you impersonate... so yeah, I would say you suffer
from
not
only brain seizures but MPD, borderline personality disorder and
narcissism.
What makes you think he's "suffering"?
Seems pretty happy about it to me...
On second thought...... :-)))
Jabbers has been xposting to alt.free.newsservers and spouting rubbish
for years.
Hes a well known k00k.
--
www.smirkingchimp.com
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Jabriol Undergoing Serious Breakdown - Posting as "ZilentNoise", "ZilentPanzer" and "ZilentNight" and "Jabriol" all in the Same Thread! |
20 Jun 2007 04:06:02 PM |
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On Jun 19, 5:08 pm, ZilentPanzer <ZilentPan...@mailinator.com> wrote:
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are supposed
to be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Still waiting on you supply the positive scientific evidence
supporting your position.
Do you have the intellectual integrity to admit that you actually have
none - never had, never will?
Budikka
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| User: "ZilentKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol Undergoing Serious Breakdown - Posting as "ZilentNoise","ZilentPanzer" and "ZilentNight" and "Jabriol" all in the Same Thread! |
20 Jun 2007 04:42:10 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
On Jun 19, 5:08 pm, ZilentPanzer <ZilentPan...@mailinator.com> wrote:
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are supposed
to be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Still waiting on you supply the positive scientific evidence
supporting your position.
You first.
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol Undergoing Serious Breakdown - Posting as "ZilentNoise", "ZilentPanzer" and "ZilentNight" and "Jabriol" all in the Same Thread! |
21 Jun 2007 05:26:26 PM |
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On Jun 20, 4:42 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni...@marionettespieger.net>
wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
On Jun 19, 5:08 pm, ZilentPanzer <ZilentPan...@mailinator.com> wrote:
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are supposed
to be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Still waiting on you supply the positive scientific evidence
supporting your position.
You first.
I've been doing it for years only to see you run away, but here goes
one more time.
http://tinyurl.com/26u5cj
That's a search I just did at www.pnas.org for papers with the word
"Evolution" in the title. The result? 1,077 papers listed.
Go there and try the same search for "Intelligent Design" and see what
you get.
So exactly which part of "There's 150-years-worth of it in peer-
reviewed science journals the world over, published by people of all
faiths" is it that's beyond your present reading grade?
The evolution scientists have done their work. For 150 years. And
they're not done yet. The work continues every day.
Now once again, where is *your* evidence? Or is it the case that the
only "work" your side can manage is that of coming up with endless
excuses why you cannot present any science supporting your claims?
Budikka
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| User: "ZilentKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol Undergoing Serious Breakdown - Posting as "ZilentNoise","ZilentPanzer" and "ZilentNight" and "Jabriol" all in the Same Thread! |
21 Jun 2007 06:01:55 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
On Jun 20, 4:42 pm, ZilentKnight <ZilentKni...@marionettespieger.net>
wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
On Jun 19, 5:08 pm, ZilentPanzer <ZilentPan...@mailinator.com> wrote:
Kathy wrote:
The unsavory, dishonest, habitually lying Jehovah's Witness Jabriol is
impersonating several people across many NGs.
SO you admit to multiple personality disorder. Beside you are supposed
to be dead. I've killed you last night remember? Now stay Dead!!!!
Still waiting on you supply the positive scientific evidence
supporting your position.
You first.
I've been doing it for years only to see you run away, but here goes
one more time.
all you been doing is posting urls and you don't even have an idea of
what they contain.
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| User: "Wombat" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 01:01:33 PM |
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On 19 Jun, 18:04, "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"
<use...@heathens.Org.uk> wrote:
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sightWombat<tri...@multiweb.nl> , from the slab, began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
On 19 Jun, 13:19, Mennia <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved."-Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
What is the date of that book. Was it written in 1960, well before
the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in China, EXCLUDING the well
known hoax, in case your hands start waving.
btw, any cite should include a date, much has happened since 1960.
One is almost tempted to wonder if the dates are intentionally left
out - na, you wouldn't do that, would you?
Wombat
Mennia is Jabriol, a Jehovah's Witness. How honest do you think they are?
Hazard a guess.
I know, the utter idiots sometimes knock on my door. At least three
duos PROMISED to come back with answers to the questions I asked.
<crickets whistling>
Wombat
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 11:12:38 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , Wombat
<trigby@multiweb.nl> in
<1182265973.865507.298440@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 19 Jun, 13:19, Mennia <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved."-Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
What is the date of that book. Was it written in 1960, well before
the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in China, EXCLUDING the well
known hoax, in case your hands start waving.
btw, any cite should include a date, much has happened since 1960.
One is almost tempted to wonder if the dates are intentionally left
out - na, you wouldn't do that, would you?
You hit the nail on the head: it was 1960:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/pdfs/0104.pdf
And the title of the book is actually _Biology and Comparative
Physiology of Birds".
But leaving off the date was understandable since most of the
creationist mis-uses of this quote leave off the date.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "ZilentPanzer" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 05:03:13 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:12:53 -0700, in alt.atheism , Wombat
<trigby@multiweb.nl> in
<1182265973.865507.298440@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 19 Jun, 13:19, Mennia <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the
remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved."-Biology and
Comparative Physiology, W. E. Swinton, Vol. 1, p.
What is the date of that book. Was it written in 1960, well before
the discovery of feathered dinosaurs in China, EXCLUDING the well
known hoax, in case your hands start waving.
btw, any cite should include a date, much has happened since 1960.
One is almost tempted to wonder if the dates are intentionally left
out - na, you wouldn't do that, would you?
You hit the nail on the head: it was 1960:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/pdfs/0104.pdf
And the title of the book is actually _Biology and Comparative
Physiology of Birds".
But leaving off the date was understandable since most of the
creationist mis-uses of this quote leave off the date.
creationists? where?
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: On reptiles becoming birds |
19 Jun 2007 07:39:02 PM |
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"ZilentPanzer" <ZilentPanzer@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:BoYdi.2875$Zh6.780@trnddc04...
creationists? where?
Oh... . tell us about terraforming jabbers. How does what you claim to
believe omit the need for a ID?
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: natural selection or........ |
19 Jun 2007 09:01:03 PM |
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Consider the implications of the facts. If highly trained
scientists are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing
and selecting favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent
process would do a better job? If research shows that mutations cannot
transform an original species into an entirely new one, then how,
exactly, was macroevolution supposed to have taken place?
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: natural selection or........ |
20 Jun 2007 01:32:24 AM |
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"Apostate" <durondae_@_hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:zT%di.3094$Zh6.846@trnddc04...
Consider the implications of the facts. If highly trained scientists
are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and selecting
favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would do a
better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an original
species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was macroevolution
supposed to have taken place?
That has not been proven .. simply prematurely concluded by fundamentalist
ID promoters
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| User: "ZilentKnight" |
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| Title: Re: natural selection or........ |
20 Jun 2007 04:26:26 AM |
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Jeckyl wrote:
"Apostate" <durondae_@_hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:zT%di.3094$Zh6.846@trnddc04...
Consider the implications of the facts. If highly trained scientists
are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and selecting
favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would do a
better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an original
species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was macroevolution
supposed to have taken place?
That has not been proven .. simply prematurely concluded by fundamentalist
ID promoters
Darwin believed that what he called natural selection would favor
those life-forms best suited to the environment, while less suitable
life-forms would eventually die off. Modern evolutionists teach that as
species spread and became isolated, natural selection chose those whose
gene mutations made them most fit for their new environment. As a
result, evolutionists postulate, these isolated groups eventually
developed into totally new species.
As previously noted, the evidence from research strongly indicates that
mutations cannot produce entirely new kinds of plants or animals.
Nevertheless, what proof do evolutionists provide to support the claim
that natural selection chooses beneficial mutations to produce new
species? A brochure published in 1999 by the National Academy of
Sciences (NAS) in the United States says: “A particularly compelling
example of speciation [the evolution of new species] involves the 13
species of finches studied by Darwin on the Galápagos Islands, now known
as Darwin’s finches.”
In the 1970’s, a research group led by Peter and Rosemary Grant began
studying these finches and discovered that after a year of drought,
finches that had slightly bigger beaks survived more readily than those
with smaller beaks. Since the size and shape of the beaks is one of the
primary ways of determining the 13 species of finches, these findings
were assumed to be significant. “The Grants have estimated,” continues
the brochure, “that if droughts occur about once every 10 years on the
islands, a new species of finch might arise in only about 200 years.”
However, the NAS brochure neglects to mention some significant but
awkward facts. In the years following the drought, finches with smaller
beaks again dominated the population. Thus, Peter Grant and graduate
student Lisle Gibbs wrote in the science journal Nature in 1987 that
they had seen “a reversal in the direction of selection.” In 1991, Grant
wrote that “the population, subjected to natural selection, is
oscillating back and forth” each time the climate changes. The
researchers also noticed that some of the different “species” of finches
were interbreeding and producing offspring that survived better than the
parents. Peter and Rosemary Grant concluded that if the interbreeding
continued, it could result in the fusion of two “species” into just one
within 200 years.
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| Title: Re: natural selection or........ |
20 Jun 2007 08:39:47 AM |
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"ZilentKnight" <ZilentKnight@marionettespieger.net> wrote in message
news:6p6ei.3339$Zh6.641@trnddc04...
Jeckyl wrote:
"Apostate" <durondae_@_hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:zT%di.3094$Zh6.846@trnddc04...
Consider the implications of the facts. If highly trained scientists
are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and selecting
favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would do
a better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an
original species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was
macroevolution supposed to have taken place?
That has not been proven .. simply prematurely concluded by
fundamentalist ID promoters
Darwin believed that what he called natural selection would favor those
life-forms best suited to the environment, while less suitable life-forms
would eventually die off. Modern evolutionists teach that as species
spread and became isolated, natural selection chose those whose gene
mutations made them most fit for their new environment. As a result,
evolutionists postulate, these isolated groups eventually developed into
totally new species.
As previously noted, the evidence from research strongly indicates that
mutations cannot produce entirely new kinds of plants or animals.
Nevertheless, what proof do evolutionists provide to support the claim
that natural selection chooses beneficial mutations to produce new
species? A brochure published in 1999 by the National Academy of Sciences
(NAS) in the United States says: “A particularly compelling example of
speciation [the evolution of new species] involves the 13 species of
finches studied by Darwin on the Galápagos Islands, now known as Darwin’s
finches.”
In the 1970’s, a research group led by Peter and Rosemary Grant began
studying these finches and discovered that after a year of drought,
finches that had slightly bigger beaks survived more readily than those
with smaller beaks. Since the size and shape of the beaks is one of the
primary ways of determining the 13 species of finches, these findings were
assumed to be significant. “The Grants have estimated,” continues the
brochure, “that if droughts occur about once every 10 years on the
islands, a new species of finch might arise in only about 200 years.”
However, the NAS brochure neglects to mention some significant but awkward
facts. In the years following the drought, finches with smaller beaks
again dominated the population. Thus, Peter Grant and graduate student
Lisle Gibbs wrote in the science journal Nature in 1987 that they had seen
“a reversal in the direction of selection.” In 1991, Grant wrote that “the
population, subjected to natural selection, is oscillating back and forth”
each time the climate changes. The researchers also noticed that some of
the different “species” of finches were interbreeding and producing
offspring that survived better than the parents. Peter and Rosemary Grant
concluded that if the interbreeding continued, it could result in the
fusion of two “species” into just one within 200 years.
Sounds like evolution at work.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: natural selection or........ |
20 Jun 2007 07:01:11 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:26:26 GMT, ZilentKnight
<ZilentKnight@marionettespieger.net> wrote:
- Refer: <6p6ei.3339$Zh6.641@trnddc04>
Jeckyl wrote:
"Apostate" <durondae_@_hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:zT%di.3094$Zh6.846@trnddc04...
Consider the implications of the facts. If highly trained scientists
are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and selecting
favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would do a
better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an original
species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was macroevolution
supposed to have taken place?
That has not been proven .. simply prematurely concluded by fundamentalist
ID promoters
Darwin believed that what he called natural selection would favor
those life-forms best suited to the environment, while less suitable
:
Why are you passing off this obviously plagiarized text as your own?
Are you a JW, and therefore inherently and deliberately viciously
dishonest?
Or is there another explanation?
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?fiBT5GJs6yB+?=" |
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| Title: Re: natural selection or........ |
20 Jun 2007 04:11:47 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:sj5i73ds9gjg6gkt6m8epg5io6mueims98@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:26:26 GMT, ZilentKnight
<ZilentKnight@marionettespieger.net> wrote:
- Refer: <6p6ei.3339$Zh6.641@trnddc04>
Jeckyl wrote:
"Apostate" <durondae_@_hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:zT%di.3094$Zh6.846@trnddc04...
Consider the implications of the facts. If highly trained
scientists
are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and
selecting
favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would
do a
better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an
original
species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was macroevolution
supposed to have taken place?
That has not been proven .. simply prematurely concluded by
fundamentalist
ID promoters
Darwin believed that what he called natural selection would favor
those life-forms best suited to the environment, while less suitable
:
Why are you passing off this obviously plagiarized text as your own?
He does it to ***** people off and harass them in to replying. Notice he's
using other people's names and email addresses again as well.
Are you a JW, and therefore inherently and deliberately viciously
dishonest?
Or is there another explanation?
I think we all know by now this kind of negative behavior gets him replies.
When he knows he pisses someone off or frustrates them - that's his reward.
That's were his sick warped gratification comes in. He hasn't learned one
thing in the 16 years he's been at this. Why? Because a JWs mind is CLOSED
to everything but what they read in the Watchtower literature, pro creation
sites and their bibles.
BTW... he *IS* a creationist. I checked a few days ago and the WTS is still
teaching the creation account as found in Genesis. The only difference is
they believe it took 7,000 years instead of 7 days.
--
SA..........
All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.jehovahs-witn/msg/a566a727e31d5be2
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: natural selection or........ |
20 Jun 2007 06:53:59 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:11:47 -0500, ~ Säblë ~ <Sable666@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <46799816$0$1351$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:sj5i73ds9gjg6gkt6m8epg5io6mueims98@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:26:26 GMT, ZilentKnight
<ZilentKnight@marionettespieger.net> wrote:
- Refer: <6p6ei.3339$Zh6.641@trnddc04>
Jeckyl wrote:
"Apostate" <durondae_@_hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:zT%di.3094$Zh6.846@trnddc04...
Consider the implications of the facts. If highly trained
scientists
are unable to produce new species by artificially inducing and
selecting
favorable mutations, is it likely that an unintelligent process would
do a
better job? If research shows that mutations cannot transform an
original
species into an entirely new one, then how, exactly, was macroevolution
supposed to have taken place?
That has not been proven .. simply prematurely concluded by
fundamentalist
ID promoters
Darwin believed that what he called natural selection would favor
those life-forms best suited to the environment, while less suitable
:
Why are you passing off this obviously plagiarized text as your own?
He does it to ***** people off and harass them in to replying. Notice he's
using other people's names and email addresses again as well.
Are you a JW, and therefore inherently and deliberately viciously
dishonest?
Or is there another explanation?
I think we all know by now this kind of negative behavior gets him replies.
When he knows he pisses someone off or frustrates them - that's his reward.
That's were his sick warped gratification comes in. He hasn't learned one
thing in the 16 years he's been at this. Why? Because a JWs mind is CLOSED
to everything but what they read in the Watchtower literature, pro creation
sites and their bibles.
BTW... he *IS* a creationist. I checked a few days ago and the WTS is still
teaching the creation account as found in Genesis. The only difference is
they believe it took 7,000 years instead of 7 days.
There are not many folk who I wish could be obliterated utterly, but
that jabriol psychomaniac is one of them.
--
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