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"JaBrIoL" |
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02 Dec 2003 08:16:28 AM |
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TOBS: From nothing? |
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Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
singularity—where and when it all began—still remains the most
intractable problem of modern cosmology."
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
hesitate, thinking, ‘That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
facts are worth considering because they affect us.
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| User: "Ixpoza DeWitchtower" |
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| Title: Re: From nothing? - Sounds like more nonsence from the WTS.... |
02 Dec 2003 02:23:34 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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: All
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: Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
: uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
: intelligence,
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This sounds exactly like something from the Watchtower magazines. I
notice you don't mention where this came from.
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Us.......
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "R Brown" |
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02 Dec 2003 08:22:07 AM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation?
<snip>
That's the creationist prayer folks.
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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02 Dec 2003 09:30:14 AM |
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"R Brown" <brown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation?
<snip>
That's the creationist prayer folks.
Not necessarily. If current research directions are fruitless, then by all
means proceed apace down another path.
But not the path to Jabber's.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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02 Dec 2003 07:01:30 PM |
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"R Brown" <brown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation?
<snip>
That's the creationist prayer folks.
me not creationist.ugh ugh.. try again.
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| User: "Ixpoza DeWitchtower" |
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| Title: Re: From nothing? - Jabriol LIES - ALL Jehovah's Witnesses are creationists!!! |
02 Dec 2003 09:48:34 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: me not creationist.ugh ugh.. try again.
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*ALL* Jehovah's Witnesses are creationists. Why do you lie? Is this what
the Watchtower considers "theocratic warfare"... where lying is ok and
approved by Jehovah?
BTW... Jabriol's brother JWs AGREE with everything he does here on Usenet.
They believe Jehovah, will reward him for lying, torturing non-JWs on
support groups, encouraging non-JWs to commit suicide, and worse.....
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Real information on this dangerous cult:
THE LIST OF AMAZING JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' CLAIMS,
BELIEFS & PREDICTIONS........
http://jwfiles.com
http://uspdr.com/ <--their property!
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
http://localsonly.wilmington.net/jmalik/TheList.zip
http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm
http://www.silentlambs.org/ <--their perverts.
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| User: "Jeff Jones" |
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02 Dec 2003 02:43:19 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0312020616.7e7f70f2@posting.google.com...
All
Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
singularity-where and when it all began-still remains the most
intractable problem of modern cosmology."
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
hesitate, thinking, 'That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
facts are worth considering because they affect us.
Because we don't know EVERYTHING god exists? Nice try bozo.
Jeff Jones
Austin, Texas
aa #2044
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| User: "Doogie Hoosier" |
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04 Dec 2003 03:13:30 PM |
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(JaBrIoL) wrote in message news:<d222de3e.0312020616.7e7f70f2@posting.google.com>...
All
Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
singularity?where and when it all began?still remains the most
intractable problem of modern cosmology."
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
hesitate, thinking, ?That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
facts are worth considering because they affect us.
After all is said, *something* either had to (a) come from nothing, or
(b) "always" have existed.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
04 Dec 2003 04:49:38 PM |
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"Doogie Hoosier" <dooghooz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in message
news:<d222de3e.0312020616.7e7f70f2@posting.google.com>...
All
Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
singularity?where and when it all began?still remains the most
intractable problem of modern cosmology."
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
hesitate, thinking, ?That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
facts are worth considering because they affect us.
After all is said, *something* either had to (a) come from nothing, or
(b) "always" have existed.
well is it said that energy can not be created nor destroyed, just
transformered?
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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04 Dec 2003 05:04:52 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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"Doogie Hoosier" <dooghooz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in message
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Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing.
No one with a knowledge of physics says it "created itself out
of nothing." and means it the way you understand it....
Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
singularity?where and when it all began?still remains the most
intractable problem of modern cosmology."
Note the use of the term "singularity" Thats not nothing...
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
hesitate, thinking, ?That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
facts are worth considering because they affect us.
After all is said, *something* either had to (a) come from nothing, or
(b) "always" have existed.
Then you must define "always" and *something*...
Always IMHO "always" can only go back to time 0+
before that time as we preceive it is non existant so
"always" is not quite as long as you might think....
well is it said that energy can not be created nor destroyed, just
transformered?
Yup.. it is said...
Paul R. Mays
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Some where within the Quantum State
Http://Paul.Mays.Com/story.html
http://paul.mays.com/mayday.html
http://paul.mays.com/rainy.html
"The skeptic will say, 'It may well be true
that this system of equations is reasonable
from a logical standpoint, but this does not
prove that it corresponds to nature.' You
are right, dear skeptic. Experience alone
can decide on truth. "
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Doogie Hoosier" |
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07 Dec 2003 04:20:50 AM |
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"Paul R. Mays" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message news:<9vCdnRg3itwAIFKiRVn-vg@giganews.com>...
Then you must define "always" and *something*...
The standard definitions will do.
Always IMHO "always" can only go back to time 0+
before that time as we preceive it is non existant so
"always" is not quite as long as you might think....
I am not the one saying *anything* "always" existed. I merely state,
correctly, that *something* (God, for instance) must have "always"
existed, or came from nothing.
Is it is correct to refer to *before* 0+ as "before"?
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| User: "tadchem" |
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07 Dec 2003 06:40:17 PM |
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"Doogie Hoosier" <dooghooz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am not the one saying *anything* "always" existed. I merely state,
correctly, that *something* (God, for instance) must have "always"
existed, or came from nothing.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
Given the negative energy density of the vacuum, the total mass-energy
content of the universe appears to be just about zero.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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07 Dec 2003 05:24:06 PM |
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tadchem wrote:
"Doogie Hoosier" <dooghooz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
I am not the one saying *anything* "always" existed. I merely state,
correctly, that *something* (God, for instance) must have "always"
existed, or came from nothing.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
Given the negative energy density of the vacuum, the total mass-energy
content of the universe appears to be just about zero.
The usual equation is that the negative contribution of the net
gravitational potential is equal and opposite to the positive
contribution of the total mass-energy.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Paul R. Mays" |
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07 Dec 2003 04:41:19 AM |
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"Doogie Hoosier" <dooghooz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Paul R. Mays" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
news:<9vCdnRg3itwAIFKiRVn-vg@giganews.com>...
Then you must define "always" and *something*...
The standard definitions will do.
Always IMHO "always" can only go back to time 0+
before that time as we preceive it is non existant so
"always" is not quite as long as you might think....
I am not the one saying *anything* "always" existed. I merely state,
correctly, that *something* (God, for instance) must have "always"
existed, or came from nothing.
Is it is correct to refer to *before* 0+ as "before"?
All the little flowers are cute...
Its impossible to know because we are Inside the
event and we can only attempt validate the inside of
the box we exist within ... And speculate on what
maybe on the outside of the box.
I have a layman's speculation based on a layman
engineers knowledge base. I postulate that the
nature of the Quantum Point that was the source
of the BB that all matter was converted out of is
of a Yet to be defined unified energy form and it
exists with the possibility of any number to exist
and convert the energy into matter/anti-matter
of a finite amount ...or not... Only two laws apply
to this construct... Probability and Uncertainty..
In our case a Quantum of Yet to be Defined Unified
Energy Form (Quantum Point [Mays], Ciaos Point
[Williams], Singularity construct......) converted
a portion of its Unified energy into a finite amount
of matter and anti-matter which toasted most of
each other ...Leaving US and what's left as residue
from the furnace
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| User: "Doogie Hoosier" |
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07 Dec 2003 04:49:59 PM |
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"Paul R. Mays" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message news:<wuadnZHFDq5Nnk6i4p2dnA@giganews.com>...
"Doogie Hoosier" <dooghooz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3043ac.0312070220.7b95f378@posting.google.com...
"Paul R. Mays" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
news:<9vCdnRg3itwAIFKiRVn-vg@giganews.com>...
Then you must define "always" and *something*...
The standard definitions will do.
Always IMHO "always" can only go back to time 0+
before that time as we preceive it is non existant so
"always" is not quite as long as you might think....
I am not the one saying *anything* "always" existed. I merely state,
correctly, that *something* (God, for instance) must have "always"
existed, or came from nothing.
Is it is correct to refer to *before* 0+ as "before"?
All the little flowers are cute...
Its impossible to know because we are Inside the
event and we can only attempt validate the inside of
the box we exist within ... And speculate on what
maybe on the outside of the box.
I have a layman's speculation based on a layman
engineers knowledge base. I postulate that the
nature of the Quantum Point that was the source
of the BB that all matter was converted out of is
of a Yet to be defined unified energy form and it
exists with the possibility of any number to exist
and convert the energy into matter/anti-matter
of a finite amount ...or not... Only two laws apply
to this construct... Probability and Uncertainty..
In our case a Quantum of Yet to be Defined Unified
Energy Form (Quantum Point [Mays], Ciaos Point
[Williams], Singularity construct......) converted
a portion of its Unified energy into a finite amount
of matter and anti-matter which toasted most of
each other ...Leaving US and what's left as residue
from the furnace
I always had a picture in my mind that if you could get to the "end"
of the Universe, there'd be a "wall" to stop any further travel. Not
a wall made out of matter, just a solid-like "surface" to smack into.
Still, I'd want to bring along a carbide drill...
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| User: "georgann" |
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04 Dec 2003 03:53:28 PM |
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Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
singularity?where and when it all began?still remains the most
intractable problem of modern cosmology."
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
hesitate, thinking, ?That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
facts are worth considering because they affect us.
"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
After all is said, *something* either had to (a) come from nothing, or
(b) "always" have existed.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
False. Something had to either come from nothing, from something or have
always existed. You forgot the from something part.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Doogie Hoosier" |
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05 Dec 2003 01:23:22 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BBF51706.3534F9C6%chenault@mindspring.com>...
Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
singularity?where and when it all began?still remains the most
intractable problem of modern cosmology."
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
hesitate, thinking, ?That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
facts are worth considering because they affect us.
"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
After all is said, *something* either had to (a) come from nothing, or
(b) "always" have existed.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
False. Something had to either come from nothing, from something or have
always existed. You forgot the from something part.
And that "something" that *something* came from... did it always
exist, or come from nothing? It has to be one or the other.
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| User: "georgann" |
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05 Dec 2003 06:17:02 AM |
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"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
After all is said, *something* either had to (a) come from nothing, or (b)
"always" have existed.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
False. Something had to either come from nothing, from something or have
always existed. You forgot the from something part.
"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
And that "something" that *something* came from... did it always exist, or
come from nothing? It has to be one or the other.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
He always existed.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Doogie Hoosier" |
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06 Dec 2003 05:54:55 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BBF5E16C.3534FD7D%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
After all is said, *something* either had to (a) come from nothing, or (b)
"always" have existed.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
False. Something had to either come from nothing, from something or have
always existed. You forgot the from something part.
"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
And that "something" that *something* came from... did it always exist, or
come from nothing? It has to be one or the other.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
He always existed.
So, just like I said, *something* either came from nothing, or "always
existed."
But then we ask, how do you know that "He" always existed? Is there
any evidence of that? Is there any evidence for that matter, that He
exists today?
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| User: "georgann" |
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06 Dec 2003 06:48:27 AM |
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And that "something" that *something* came from... did it always exist, or
come from nothing? It has to be one or the other.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
He always existed.
"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
So, just like I said, *something* either came from nothing, or "always
existed."
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Not in most casts. In most cases 99.9999~% something came from something -
(to use your vernacular) i.e. everything except God who always existed.
God always existed. (1 - always existed)
God created the universe and the building blocks for all life from nothing.
God also created life. (2 - i.e. from nothing)
Life multiplies (as God directed). (3 - something from something)
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "jabriol" |
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06 Dec 2003 08:35:49 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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God always existed. (1 - always existed)
God created the universe and the building blocks for all life from
nothing.
God also created life. (2 - i.e. from nothing)
uh I hate to break this to you.. but God did not create life...
think about it...
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| User: "georgann" |
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06 Dec 2003 04:35:03 PM |
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God always existed. (1 - always existed) God created the universe and the
building blocks for all life from nothing. God also created life. (2 - i.e.
from nothing)
"jabriol" wrote:
uh I hate to break this to you.. but God did not create life...
think about it...
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Um, did you think life was magiked into existence?
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
06 Dec 2003 04:43:05 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BBF7C3C6.353504E0%chenault@mindspring.com...
God always existed. (1 - always existed) God created the universe and
the
building blocks for all life from nothing. God also created life. (2 -
i.e.
from nothing)
"jabriol" wrote:
uh I hate to break this to you.. but God did not create life...
think about it...
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Um, did you think life was magiked into existence?
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Think about it .. I said.
you did not.
God did not create life
unless you know how old he is....
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
07 Dec 2003 06:36:59 AM |
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God always existed. (1 - always existed) God created the universe and the
building blocks for all life from nothing. God also created life. (2 - i.e.
from nothing)
"jabriol" wrote:
uh I hate to break this to you.. but God did not create life... think about
it...
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Um, did you think life was magiked into existence? --
"jabriol" wrote:
Think about it .. I said.
you did not.
God did not create life unless you know how old he is....
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
God is ageless. Life is not.
Think about it.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
07 Dec 2003 07:45:04 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BBF8891B.3535074F%chenault@mindspring.com...
God always existed. (1 - always existed) God created the universe and
the
building blocks for all life from nothing. God also created life.
(2 - i.e.
from nothing)
"jabriol" wrote:
uh I hate to break this to you.. but God did not create life... think
about
it...
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Um, did you think life was magiked into existence? --
"jabriol" wrote:
Think about it .. I said.
you did not.
God did not create life unless you know how old he is....
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
God is ageless. Life is not.
Think about it.
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Here is where you are wrong.. you need to study more of the bible.
If God has always existed, this mean he has always been alive. therfore he
could not have created life. Life therefore has always existed.
he can bring things to life, he can take it away.
Your reply and ignorance of this fact is common. And not your fault.
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| User: "Doogie Hoosier" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
07 Dec 2003 04:53:08 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<A9GAb.2464035$Id.376786@news.easynews.com>...
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BBF8891B.3535074F%chenault@mindspring.com...
God always existed. (1 - always existed) God created the universe and
the
building blocks for all life from nothing. God also created life.
(2 - i.e.
from nothing)
"jabriol" wrote:
uh I hate to break this to you.. but God did not create life... think
about
it...
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Um, did you think life was magiked into existence? --
"jabriol" wrote:
Think about it .. I said.
you did not.
God did not create life unless you know how old he is....
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
God is ageless. Life is not.
Think about it.
--
Here is where you are wrong.. you need to study more of the bible.
If God has always existed, this mean he has always been alive. therfore he
could not have created life. Life therefore has always existed.
he can bring things to life, he can take it away.
Your reply and ignorance of this fact is common. And not your fault.
Is this one of those "turtle" things?
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| User: "His Eminence the Most Reverend Donki" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
06 Dec 2003 07:32:17 PM |
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I hate to break this to you but, "God" DID actually sort of create some
life. Only it already existed and they "GOD & co" played with genetics to
make it work for them. The biggest problem is that they were not really
"God's" at all in the religious sense but mere flesh and blood a little
further down the evolutionary road that we were. Today however, we are
almost up to where they were way back then.
Between the 1850s and the 1930s, records which had been hidden for countless
lifetimes beneath the windswept desert sands suddenly appeared, bearing the
names of such well-known characters as Abraham, Esau, Israel, Heber, Nahor,
Terah and many others from the Bible. These were written during the
lifetimes of these men by people who were associated with them, whereas the
books of the Old Testament were compiled over 1,000 years later. But, one by
one, these documents have been classified as mythology. Why? Because they
tell a very different story to that which we are taught from the Bible.
Check this out: for
yourself....................................................................
..............IF YOU DARE!
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/starfire1.html
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BBF7C3C6.353504E0%chenault@mindspring.com...
God always existed. (1 - always existed) God created the universe and
the
building blocks for all life from nothing. God also created life. (2 -
i.e.
from nothing)
"jabriol" wrote:
uh I hate to break this to you.. but God did not create life...
think about it...
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Um, did you think life was magiked into existence?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
06 Dec 2003 08:09:23 PM |
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"His Eminence the Most Reverend Donki" <no@no.not> wrote in message
news:RpvAb.1095$J81.474@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
I hate to break this to you but, "God" DID actually sort of create some
life.
uh.. no he did not.
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| User: "His Eminence the Most Reverend Donki" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
06 Dec 2003 08:19:56 PM |
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Yes they did Jabby. Do the research next time before you type your usual
uninformed "matter of fact, who gives a hoot" response.
Gald to read you're as dumb as ever.
Hee Haw
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:nZvAb.181943$bV5.1280058@news.easynews.com...
"His Eminence the Most Reverend Donki" <no@no.not> wrote in message
news:RpvAb.1095$J81.474@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net...
I hate to break this to you but, "God" DID actually sort of create some
life.
uh.. no he did not.
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| User: "Doogie Hoosier" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
07 Dec 2003 04:31:04 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BBF73A49.3535025D%chenault@mindspring.com>...
And that "something" that *something* came from... did it always exist, or
come from nothing? It has to be one or the other.
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
He always existed.
"Doogie Hoosier" wrote:
So, just like I said, *something* either came from nothing, or "always
existed."
georgann, Teflon/Bulova apologist wrote:
Not in most casts. In most cases 99.9999~% something came from something -
(to use your vernacular) i.e. everything except God who always existed.
Note, the vernacular did not originate with me. I merely used the
language already established in the thread (nothing/something).
God always existed. (1 - always existed)
I asked if there was any evidence. How do you know this?
God created the universe and the building blocks for all life from nothing.
God also created life. (2 - i.e. from nothing)
How do you know this?
Life multiplies (as God directed). (3 - something from something)
How do you know this?
It's a fair question. How do you know these things?
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| User: "nullus fides" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
02 Dec 2003 08:50:51 AM |
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And so upon Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:16:28 -0800 didst JaBrIoL speak thusly:
Can experts now explain the origin of the universe?
Not with certainty.
If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
explanation?
No.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: From nothing? |
02 Dec 2003 06:35:54 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 2 Dec 2003 06:16:28 -0800,
(JaBrIoL) let us all know that:
All
Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
of nothing.
You mean "many idiot creationists, who have no idea about
science, like to claim that if their god didn't do it, then it came
from nothing. Leading scientists, however, laugh at this notion,
because creationists are fucking stupid in the first place, and in the
second place, nothing isn't ontologically valid.".
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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