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05 Sep 2003 01:34:48 PM |
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TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III ;;There be Plants here! |
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The Bible account adds: “‘Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:11. Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of land plants had been created. The diffused light would have become quite strong by then, ample for the process of photosynthesis so vital to green plants. Incidentally, the account here does not mention every “kind” of plant that came on the scene. Microscopic organisms, water plants and others are not specifically named, but likely were created on this “day.”
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| User: "mel turner" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III ;;There be Plants here! |
06 Sep 2003 12:22:06 AM |
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Groups trimmed.
In article <20030905183448.99B53BF5C@xmxpita.excite.com>,
Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] [Jabriol]wrote [?]...
The Bible account adds: “‘Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth,
vegetati
on bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed
o
f which is in it, upon the earth.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:11.
It doesn't exactly specify how these vague categories of plants were
"caused to shoot forth", now does it? Why not let it be by many
hundreds of millions of years of natural evolution, and by common
descent from early ancestors shared with one another, and earlier
common ancestors shared with all the other non-seed plants and green
algae, and earlier ancestors shared with other algae, fungi, animals,
etc.? That's what the evidence clearly shows actually happened.
Thus by
the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of land plants
What three? Fruit trees and grasses are both types of "vegetation bearing
seed". And anyway, why assume these categories are exclusive or exhaustive
lists?
And how are they "broad"? "Grasses" are just one of hundreds of living
flowering plant families. The first grasses appeared relatively
late in the plant fossil record. The first land plants were not seed
plants. There were no grasses or "fruit trees" for hundreds of millions
of years after the first land plants evolved.
h
ad been created. The diffused light would have become quite strong by then,
ampl
e for the process of photosynthesis so vital to green plants.
What "diffused light"? Is this related to some wacky claim
"explaining" the out-of-order creation of the sun in Genesis as just
a matter of it becoming visible?
Incidentally, the
account here does not mention every “kind” of plant that came on the scene.
Micr
oscopic organisms, water plants and others are not specifically named, but
likel
y were created on this “day.”
The whole "days" nonsense is nonsensical, as is the sequence of
the "days". Better to drop it:
"God is outside of and transcends Time. God's "days" could seem to be
of any length and can seem to be in any order, from our own limited
point of view".
There. That was easy...
cheers
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III ;;There be Plants here! |
05 Sep 2003 10:07:17 PM |
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:34:48 -0400 (EDT), "Jabriol"
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> posted in alt.atheism:
The Bible account adds: “‘Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:11. Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of land plants had been created. The diffused light would have become quite strong by then, ample for the process of photosynthesis
Plants require actinic light, not diffused light. The ONLY natural
source of actinic light sufficient to cause photosynthesis is a star.
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"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could beunder-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III ;;There be Plants here! |
05 Sep 2003 02:23:09 PM |
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The account very specifically notes seed bearing plants =
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Please quantify incident radiation from the so-called "diffuse light" =
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plants were there so it must have).
Where did this "diffuse light" go, and what was its source?
Frank
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The Bible account adds: "'Let the earth cause grass to shoot =
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Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad =
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have become quite strong by then, ample for the process of =
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does not mention every "kind" of plant that came on the scene. =
Microscopic organisms, water plants and others are not specifically =
named, but likely were created on this "day."
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III ;;There be Plants here! |
05 Sep 2003 06:10:25 PM |
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Seems ye are new to the thread... the scriptures is for the huma observer
and his concerns durring that time period..
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:uoSdneovucqqfsWiRVn-hQ@speakeasy.net...
Turn off your HTML!!!
The account very specifically notes seed bearing plants (=Spermatophyta). No
algae (there are many terrestrial algae), no conifers, no ferns, no lichens,
etc.
Please quantify incident radiation from the so-called "diffuse light" and
provide some corroborating evidence for it's existence (other than: plants
were there so it must have).
Where did this "diffuse light" go, and what was its source?
Frank
"Jabriol" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:20030905183448.99B53BF5C@xmxpita.excite.com...
The Bible account adds: "'Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth,
vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their
kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.' And it came to be
so."-Genesis 1:11.
Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of
land plants had been created. The diffused light would have become quite
strong by then, ample for the process of photosynthesis so vital to green
plants. Incidentally, the account here does not mention every "kind" of
plant that came on the scene. Microscopic organisms, water plants and others
are not specifically named, but likely were created on this "day."
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III ;;There be Plants here! |
06 Sep 2003 12:38:51 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:BJ86b.3731076$cI2.519280@news.easynews.com...
Seems ye are new to the thread... the scriptures is for the huma observer
and his concerns durring that time period..
Huh? Was this supposed to be a coherent expression, or just random nonsense?
What is a "huma observer"?
Whose concerns?
What period?
Or are you just too chickenshit to answer the questions?
Frank
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:uoSdneovucqqfsWiRVn-hQ@speakeasy.net...
Turn off your HTML!!!
The account very specifically notes seed bearing plants (=Spermatophyta).
No
algae (there are many terrestrial algae), no conifers, no ferns, no
lichens,
etc.
Please quantify incident radiation from the so-called "diffuse light" and
provide some corroborating evidence for it's existence (other than: plants
were there so it must have).
Where did this "diffuse light" go, and what was its source?
Frank
"Jabriol" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:20030905183448.99B53BF5C@xmxpita.excite.com...
The Bible account adds: "'Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth,
vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their
kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.' And it came to be
so."-Genesis 1:11.
Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of
land plants had been created. The diffused light would have become quite
strong by then, ample for the process of photosynthesis so vital to green
plants. Incidentally, the account here does not mention every "kind" of
plant that came on the scene. Microscopic organisms, water plants and
others
are not specifically named, but likely were created on this "day."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III ;;There be Plants here! |
06 Sep 2003 06:23:23 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:38:51 -0700, Frank Reichenbacher wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:BJ86b.3731076$cI2.519280@news.easynews.com...
Seems ye are new to the thread... the scriptures is for the huma
observer and his concerns durring that time period..
Huh? Was this supposed to be a coherent expression, or just random
nonsense?
That's easy. Jabriol == random nonsense.
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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06 Sep 2003 07:47:23 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:38:51 -0700, Frank Reichenbacher wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:BJ86b.3731076$cI2.519280@news.easynews.com...
Seems ye are new to the thread... the scriptures is for the huma
observer and his concerns durring that time period..
Huh? Was this supposed to be a coherent expression, or just random
nonsense?
That's easy. Jabriol == random nonsense.
Hey, you're right dude! I even found it in the dictionary. They even had a
picture of him. Remember Gollum, from Lord of the Rings?
Ugh!
Frank
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Sep 2003 09:57:19 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:47:23 -0700, Frank Reichenbacher wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.06.23.23.22.747999@eac.org...
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:38:51 -0700, Frank Reichenbacher wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:BJ86b.3731076$cI2.519280@news.easynews.com...
Seems ye are new to the thread... the scriptures is for the huma
observer and his concerns durring that time period..
Huh? Was this supposed to be a coherent expression, or just random
nonsense?
That's easy. Jabriol == random nonsense.
Hey, you're right dude! I even found it in the dictionary. They even had a
picture of him. Remember Gollum, from Lord of the Rings?
Gollum had much more integrity...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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