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25 Jan 2004 12:01:07 PM |
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TOBS: good bye natural selection |
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=2004-01-22-1
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: good bye natural selection |
25 Jan 2004 10:21:16 PM |
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(snipped link to lies - if Jabberhole quotes it it can't be true)
See #5 below.
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UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: good bye natural selection |
25 Jan 2004 12:37:50 PM |
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On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=2004-01-22-1
....and your point is?
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: good bye natural selection |
25 Jan 2004 01:39:34 PM |
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it should
be obvious.
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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26 Jan 2004 06:18:55 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, > >
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it
should
be obvious.
So we can all take it that you are now a supporter of evolution........?
Welcome aboard.......
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MA yoiks....and away !
Does Schrödinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Perlz Ferswine" |
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26 Jan 2004 12:43:14 PM |
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"Masked Avenger" <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So we can all take it that you are now a supporter of evolution........?
Welcome aboard.......
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No. Jabriol is extremely confused. He claims he doesn't believe in a
magical creation but then rejects anything and everything else. He keeps
confusing posters and has delusions everyone is forging his posts. He
sees CAROL everywhere!
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DickyDew and the Donuts.....
"Men (like Jabriol) never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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27 Jan 2004 03:26:25 AM |
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"Perlz Ferswine" <noWTvomit@myplace.com> wrote in message
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"Masked Avenger" <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So we can all take it that you are now a supporter of evolution........?
Welcome aboard.......
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No. Jabriol is extremely confused. He claims he doesn't believe in a
magical creation but then rejects anything and everything else. He keeps
confusing posters and has delusions everyone is forging his posts. He
sees CAROL everywhere!
Yeah, I get the impression the guy is a real nutter.....but I suppose he
fits in well with the other JW's and fundies........and he supplies plenty
of grist for the NG mill..........
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MA yoiks....and away !
Does Schrödinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "MIB529" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: good bye natural selection |
25 Jan 2004 04:45:20 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<WXUQb.6560059$Id.1066338@news.easynews.com>...
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it should
be obvious.
Actually, eugenics is the opposite of natural selection, troll-boy.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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25 Jan 2004 05:27:37 PM |
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"MIB529" <man_in_black529@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it
should
be obvious.
Actually, eugenics is the opposite of natural selection, troll-boy.
are you sure?
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: good bye natural selection |
25 Jan 2004 05:59:08 PM |
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jabriol <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote:
"MIB529" <man_in_black529@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
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On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it
should
be obvious.
Actually, eugenics is the opposite of natural selection, troll-boy.
are you sure?
It is. This was first pointed out, as far as I know, by Arthur Balfour
(ex-PM of the UK), at the first eugenics conference in 1912. He noted,
quoting from Gillham, p347:
"We say that the fit survive. But all that means is that those who
survive are fit." The perennial eugenic worry that "the biologically fit
are diminishing in number through the diminution of the birthrate" must
be wrong by "the doctrine of natural selection" as he conceived it. If
families of the professional class were "so small that it is impossible
for them to keep up their numbers, they are biologically unfit for this
very reason."
Gillham, Nicholas W. 2001. A life of Sir Francis Galton: from African
exploration to the birth of eugenics. New York: Oxford University Press.
A similar point was made by the evolutionary biologist Theodosius
Dobzhansky in the 1930s.
--
John Wilkins
wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Jan 2004 08:57:06 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:59:08 +1100, (John
Wilkins) posted in alt.atheism:
Actually, eugenics is the opposite of natural selection, troll-boy.
are you sure?
It is. This was first pointed out, as far as I know, by Arthur Balfour
(ex-PM of the UK), at the first eugenics conference in 1912. He noted,
quoting from Gillham, p347:
"We say that the fit survive. But all that means is that those who
survive are fit." The perennial eugenic worry that "the biologically fit
are diminishing in number through the diminution of the birthrate" must
be wrong by "the doctrine of natural selection" as he conceived it. If
families of the professional class were "so small that it is impossible
for them to keep up their numbers, they are biologically unfit for this
very reason."
Gillham, Nicholas W. 2001. A life of Sir Francis Galton: from African
exploration to the birth of eugenics. New York: Oxford University Press.
A similar point was made by the evolutionary biologist Theodosius
Dobzhansky in the 1930s.
Natural selection is too simple for someone like Jabbers to
understand.
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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: good bye natural selection |
26 Jan 2004 07:42:06 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<9e0910ptqs512fmstuvfthf0mii8jqoj7g@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:59:08 +1100, (John
Wilkins) posted in alt.atheism:
Actually, eugenics is the opposite of natural selection, troll-boy.
are you sure?
It is. This was first pointed out, as far as I know, by Arthur Balfour
(ex-PM of the UK), at the first eugenics conference in 1912. He noted,
quoting from Gillham, p347:
"We say that the fit survive. But all that means is that those who
survive are fit." The perennial eugenic worry that "the biologically fit
are diminishing in number through the diminution of the birthrate" must
be wrong by "the doctrine of natural selection" as he conceived it. If
families of the professional class were "so small that it is impossible
for them to keep up their numbers, they are biologically unfit for this
very reason."
Gillham, Nicholas W. 2001. A life of Sir Francis Galton: from African
exploration to the birth of eugenics. New York: Oxford University Press.
A similar point was made by the evolutionary biologist Theodosius
Dobzhansky in the 1930s.
Natural selection is too simple for someone like Jabbers to
understand.
and too complex for you to explain...
I would venture to say, that natural selection for people is not
aplicable anymore...
iditots like you were allowed to live...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Jan 2004 09:26:03 PM |
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On 26 Jan 2004 05:42:06 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Natural selection is too simple for someone like Jabbers to
understand.
and too complex for you to explain...
Very simple, actually:
Those genomes more fit to survive do survive.
I would venture to say, that natural selection for people is not
aplicable anymore...
Sure it is. If the environment changes, those more fit for the new
environment will survive better than those less fit.
--
"A truly unselfish act would be a Christian volunteering to have his soul take your
soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath."
- John Popelish
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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27 Jan 2004 06:23:55 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<vemb10hltl0ogcd1pmlrdieqq3c0u7oelr@Pern.rk>...
On 26 Jan 2004 05:42:06 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Natural selection is too simple for someone like Jabbers to
understand.
and too complex for you to explain...
Very simple, actually:
Those genomes more fit to survive do survive.
I would venture to say, that natural selection for people is not
aplicable anymore...
Sure it is. If the environment changes, those more fit for the new
environment will survive better than those less fit.
circular reasoning, if that was the case genetics dieased people would
have been wiped out.. and Humans change their enviroment. did you
ecver salt your sidewalk in an ice storm?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2004 09:02:51 PM |
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On 27 Jan 2004 04:23:55 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<vemb10hltl0ogcd1pmlrdieqq3c0u7oelr@Pern.rk>...
On 26 Jan 2004 05:42:06 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Natural selection is too simple for someone like Jabbers to
understand.
and too complex for you to explain...
Very simple, actually:
Those genomes more fit to survive do survive.
I would venture to say, that natural selection for people is not
aplicable anymore...
Sure it is. If the environment changes, those more fit for the new
environment will survive better than those less fit.
circular reasoning
Yes, survival of the fittest *is* circular. So?
if that was the case genetics dieased people would
have been wiped out.
Not if it's beneficial, like sickle cell anemia.
and Humans change their enviroment. did you
ecver salt your sidewalk in an ice storm?
Humans change the environment to make it easier to live in. Nature
isn't limited by what we like. We're most likely only here because
nature made it very cold for a long time, over and over.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human
concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot
begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Field
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| User: "jabriol" |
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25 Jan 2004 05:25:42 PM |
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"MIB529" <man_in_black529@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4ad78f65.0401251445.7c3edee9@posting.google.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b738101lg2m26an24as5365tsplq7nj6lp@4ax.com...
On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it
should
be obvious.
Actually, eugenics is the opposite of natural selection, troll-boy.
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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26 Jan 2004 12:20:05 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:39:34 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
wrote:
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b738101lg2m26an24as5365tsplq7nj6lp@4ax.com...
On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it should
be obvious.
It's obvious that you're twisting science and scientific discoveries
to fit your WT agenda. The next thing we know, you'll be saying that
because electricity can cause muscle contractions or stabilize a heart
the has gone into fibrillation, that electricity disproves natural
selection.
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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26 Jan 2004 07:39:35 AM |
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Varicose Brain <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message news:<g2c9109tmd55f0tvdp4gdudgq05a3930vl@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:39:34 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net>
wrote:
"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b738101lg2m26an24as5365tsplq7nj6lp@4ax.com...
On 25 Jan 2004 10:01:07 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
http://www.betterhumans.com/Resources/Events_Calendar/event.aspx?eventID=20
04-01-22-1
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it should
be obvious.
It's obvious that you're twisting science and scientific discoveries
to fit your WT agenda. The next thing we know, you'll be saying that
because electricity can cause muscle contractions or stabilize a heart
the has gone into fibrillation, that electricity disproves natural
selection.
how can you twist science?
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| User: "Perlz Ferswine" |
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26 Jan 2004 07:54:22 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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how can you twist science?
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Like THIS maybe?
Jabriol <Jabriol2000nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a7c4708_5@goliath.newsfeeds.com...
Did they put that pevert behind bars. I guess
that experiance really affected you. You know you could have
aborted. During that time period coat hangers were sturdy. Did you
give
up
the ***** for adoption. (Said like a true Jehovah's Witness.)
most like impreganted wit a new life to bring diversity into america.
if
the
coathanger do not get to the child first.
... there you have friends.. why pay a medical bill to tkae care of
your
mentally ill familly. Shoot em dead. it is legal
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Would you want these people in YOUR home around your children and loved
ones teaching their brand of Watchtower love? What a strange love.
Carol.....
"Men (like L Perez & Jabriol) never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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| User: "TRUTH & JUSTICE" |
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26 Jan 2004 08:11:57 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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how can you twist science?
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Here's how YOU twist it:
----- Original Message -----
From: "JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.talk.creationism,
sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.bio.paleontology
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: Evolution questions arised again
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<5tl300t7u2il1c043b5f6d0r2cutk725r4@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:13:07 -0600, "Letz ExPozem Goode"
<noWTBlather@myplace.net> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:4afMb.5351497$Of.845402@news.easynews.com...
me not creationist ugh ugh
maybe somebody who knows about astronomy can explain it to you..
======================
Jabriol is indeed a CREATIONIST as are all Jehovah's Witlesses. He's
also
a well known TROLL here on Usenet.
Worse than that he's a certifiable, psychopathic lunatic - he
deliberately encourages the depressed to commit suicide.
you have me confuse with natural selection...
per evolution.. they have no choice...
so.. do you a desire to jump off a bridge?
don't fight biology...
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27 Jan 2004 06:21:58 AM |
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"TRUTH & JUSTICE" <noWTvomit@myplace.com> wrote in message news:<CMadnVbzrIFvdojdRVn-jw@heartoftn.net>...
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0401260539.6dc10c72@posting.google.com...
how can you twist science?
=======================
Here's how YOU twist it:
----- Original Message -----
From: "JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.talk.creationism,
sci.anthropology.paleo,sci.bio.paleontology
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: Evolution questions arised again
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<5tl300t7u2il1c043b5f6d0r2cutk725r4@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:13:07 -0600, "Letz ExPozem Goode"
<noWTBlather@myplace.net> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:4afMb.5351497$Of.845402@news.easynews.com...
me not creationist ugh ugh
maybe somebody who knows about astronomy can explain it to you..
======================
Jabriol is indeed a CREATIONIST as are all Jehovah's Witlesses. He's
also
a well known TROLL here on Usenet.
Worse than that he's a certifiable, psychopathic lunatic - he
deliberately encourages the depressed to commit suicide.
you have me confuse with natural selection...
per evolution.. they have no choice...
so.. do you a desire to jump off a bridge?
don't fight biology...
where the twist..????
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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26 Jan 2004 09:40:12 AM |
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On 26 Jan 2004 05:39:35 -0800, (JaBrIoL) wrote:
...and your point is?
for someone who makes a claim that I twist evolutionary theory... it should
be obvious.
It's obvious that you're twisting science and scientific discoveries
to fit your WT agenda. The next thing we know, you'll be saying that
because electricity can cause muscle contractions or stabilize a heart
the has gone into fibrillation, that electricity disproves natural
selection.
how can you twist science?
You tell us. You're the expert at it.
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