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04 Feb 2005 08:48:09 AM |
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TOBS: Good logic |
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
Science has with God, The "Almighty". He asks one of his new
Christian students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student kepps silence.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is
God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God... originally, yes!
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? God's voice?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you
would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are
viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure.Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either
one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the
fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.Now tell
me, Professor: Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour,
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done
so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,Sir. With
all due respect, Sir, how do we can trust your lectures, Sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive........
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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07 Feb 2005 10:53:31 AM |
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wrote:
< snip >
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
God did. He said so. This "student" should try reading his Bible.
You, too, Jabba.
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:13:39 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:53:31 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
jabriol@fastmail.fm wrote:
< snip >
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
God did. He said so. This "student" should try reading his Bible.
You, too, Jabba.
They don't allow him to read the bible - just the little pamphlets
they put out.
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"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
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| User: "Ratt-Baggs P@P" |
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08 Feb 2005 01:26:47 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:r3mg01loaoupq68sicjd99moi1polnrsb5@4ax.com...
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:53:31 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
jabriol@fastmail.fm wrote:
< snip >
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
God did. He said so. This "student" should try reading his Bible.
You, too, Jabba.
They don't allow him to read the bible - just the little pamphlets
they put out.
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These Watchtower "pamphlets" are now small magazines used to REINFORCE the
WTS cult's beliefs by pumping the same garbage into their heads twice a
month. YES, twice a month they're required to read both magazines - the
Watchtower and the Awake! as they're called. They must "study" these
boring, redundant thought and mind controlling rags. Never mind they're as
unbiblical as you can get, as unbiblical as the WT time cards they're forced
to keep. It's pumped in to their heads, and pumped in to their heads, and
pumped.....
--
Ratt....
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
10 Feb 2005 12:21:09 PM |
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Ratt-Baggs wrote:
< snip >
These Watchtower "pamphlets" are now small magazines used to REINFORCE the
WTS cult's beliefs by pumping the same garbage into their heads twice a
month. YES, twice a month they're required to read both magazines - the
Watchtower and the Awake! as they're called. They must "study" these
boring, redundant thought and mind controlling rags. Never mind they're as
unbiblical as you can get, as unbiblical as the WT time cards they're forced
to keep. It's pumped in to their heads, and pumped in to their heads, and
pumped.....
Bleah!
I remember the one book I ever took from a JW, "You Can Live Forever on
Earth" or something like that. It suggested that those who didn't wind
up dead or in Heaven would have to live in an episode of "Little House
on the Prairie" for eternity. <shudder>
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Baggy GENES P@P" |
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10 Feb 2005 01:34:40 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:371n0nF57od03U1@individual.net...
Ratt-Baggs wrote:
< snip >
These Watchtower "pamphlets" are now small magazines used to REINFORCE
the
WTS cult's beliefs by pumping the same garbage into their heads twice a
month. YES, twice a month they're required to read both magazines - the
Watchtower and the Awake! as they're called. They must "study" these
boring, redundant thought and mind controlling rags. Never mind they're
as
unbiblical as you can get, as unbiblical as the WT time cards they're
forced
to keep. It's pumped in to their heads, and pumped in to their heads,
and
pumped.....
Bleah!
I remember the one book I ever took from a JW, "You Can Live Forever on
Earth" or something like that. It suggested that those who didn't wind
up dead or in Heaven would have to live in an episode of "Little House
on the Prairie" for eternity. <shudder>
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Yes! If you serve the WTS and it's Governing Body all your life you get a
ticket to Watchtower Paradise! There you will carry around baskets of fruit
and veggies for all eternity. That is what you will eat and you will smile
idiotically forever. Their magazines show this. There will be no
marriage, no sex, no babies born so no children or families, no hot pastrami
sandwiches, no fried chicken, no emotion... and twice a month you will study
the Watchtower magazines as they will keep you happy. You will live next
door to LyingLouie. He will tell you a lie a minute, and across from
Jabriol who will suggest you commit suicide regularly. Precision will be
wandering about waggling his Watchtower mags in your face. Boydette will be
calling you every profanity that crosses her mind and FreezaFrost will
babble how kids like sexual abuse.... sounds more like HELL to me!
--
Baggy.......
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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10 Feb 2005 12:13:25 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:53:31 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
jabriol@fastmail.fm wrote:
< snip >
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
God did. He said so. This "student" should try reading his Bible.
You, too, Jabba.
They don't allow him to read the bible - just the little pamphlets
they put out.
Almost as bad as Catholics. In all the years I spend being forced to go
to church and CCD, I never once saw a Bible. (Okay, one CCD teacher did
bring a Bible, but that was just for him to read while waiting for class
to start; it wasn't part of the lesson.)
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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10 Feb 2005 07:14:07 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:13:25 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Almost as bad as Catholics. In all the years I spend being forced to go
to church and CCD, I never once saw a Bible. (Okay, one CCD teacher did
bring a Bible, but that was just for him to read while waiting for class
to start; it wasn't part of the lesson.)
That's the standard RCC way of doing things - priests read bibles and
tell the laity what's in them.
Okay, I can see doing that when the laity spoke Erse or Magyar or
whatever the local language was and bibles were all written in Latin.
No reason for that these days.
--
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "cactus" |
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04 Feb 2005 01:24:30 PM |
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wrote:
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
Science has with God, The "Almighty". He asks one of his new
Christian students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student kepps silence.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is
God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God... originally, yes!
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? God's voice?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you
would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are
viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure.Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either
one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the
fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.Now tell
me, Professor: Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour,
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done
so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,Sir. With
all due respect, Sir, how do we can trust your lectures, Sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive........
I though Jack Chick didn't like Jehovah's Witnesses
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| User: "josephus" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:59:39 AM |
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wrote:
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
Science has with God, The "Almighty". He asks one of his new
Christian students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student kepps silence.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is
God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God... originally, yes!
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? God's voice?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you
would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are
viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure.Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either
one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the
fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.Now tell
me, Professor: Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour,
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done
so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,Sir. With
all due respect, Sir, how do we can trust your lectures, Sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive........
if we reverse the roles the Proffesor is a student of science
the student is a Prosletizing Preacher
the plot and conversations do not change. but the motivations
is more clear. The student is NOT a student and the logic is strained.
No professor would act this way. Not any proffesional I know.
If we were to have a vote on the subject You would probably win. But
voting has nothing to do with science and the way the world works. You
can vote to revoke gravity or stop the tide like an Emperor. Trying to
refute evolution is the same. So the argument is a straw argument
Faith is a marvelous thing. Scientists have it. Atheist have it. We
all have it. That is why we know what you are doing and why you keep
doing it. Intelligent Design and Creation Science do not have any
substantive proof. I have watched you argue "God of the Gaps" Micro
mysteries, unknown etiologies, and as a last resort trying to redefine
scientific language.
josephus
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| User: "Ronin" |
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08 Feb 2005 11:05:38 AM |
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Faith is about as much fun as denial to me. They both serve to shut a
discussion down real quick.
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| User: "EjP" |
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04 Feb 2005 03:16:00 PM |
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Is this a Jack Chick tract by any chance?
It's pretty stupid wherever it came from.
Last time I checked, hot and cold had never made bets over
whether they could ruin Job's life.
-E
jabriol@fastmail.fm wrote:
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
Science has with God, The "Almighty". He asks one of his new
Christian students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student kepps silence.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is
God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God... originally, yes!
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? God's voice?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you
would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are
viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure.Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either
one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the
fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.Now tell
me, Professor: Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour,
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done
so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,Sir. With
all due respect, Sir, how do we can trust your lectures, Sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive........
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04 Feb 2005 12:12:32 PM |
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On 4 Feb 2005 06:48:09 -0800, <> wrote:
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
[rest of drivel snipped]
I note how you can't win an argument against real people, so you
have to make up an alleged professor who is an idiot, in order to
have someone to "win" against.
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04 Feb 2005 04:36:20 PM |
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Steve Mading wrote:
On 4 Feb 2005 06:48:09 -0800,
<> wrote:
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the
problem
[rest of drivel snipped]
I note how you can't win an argument against real people, so you
have to make up an alleged professor who is an idiot, in order to
have someone to "win" against.
Why is the professor an idiot? refer to John Ings reply to the thread,
where he comments that the professor was teaching a fact.
I guess your assement of John's reply is not in high estime.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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04 Feb 2005 05:55:57 PM |
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<> wrote in message
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Steve Mading wrote:
On 4 Feb 2005 06:48:09 -0800,
< > wrote:
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the
problem
[rest of drivel snipped]
I note how you can't win an argument against real people, so you
have to make up an alleged professor who is an idiot, in order to
have someone to "win" against.
Why is the professor an idiot? refer to John Ings reply to the thread,
where he comments that the professor was teaching a fact.
I guess your assement of John's reply is not in high estime.
"Estime?" Is that an attempt at the word "esteem?" Holy *****, man, you
should get your nose out of the bible and study a dictionary before you
attempt an intellectual argument.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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07 Feb 2005 01:22:20 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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< snip >
Why is the professor an idiot? refer to John Ings reply to the thread,
where he comments that the professor was teaching a fact.
I guess your assement of John's reply is not in high estime.
"Estime?" Is that an attempt at the word "esteem?" Holy *****, man, you
should get your nose out of the bible and study a dictionary before you
attempt an intellectual argument.
Is that your "assement" of Jabba's spelling? >;-)
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "" |
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05 Feb 2005 05:45:34 PM |
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english is not my first language, I forget american tend to look down
on those who don't speak the language of the empire.
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| User: "LOVEM N. LEEVEM P@P" |
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05 Feb 2005 08:17:11 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107647134.513025.166330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
english is not my first language, I forget american tend to look down
on those who don't speak the language of the empire.
=========================
I'm sure you would be a lot happier in Iran or Iraq. You can spend the rest
of your life converting the Moslems to Watchtowrism. America - love it or
leave it!
--
Owl....
L Perez bleated: BEWARE! there are people on this newsgroup who are only
here to slander and
lie about Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not offer any alternative
organization...
Note: No other organization can even come close to the WTS' record of six,
false-alarm end-of-the world predictions in the 20th century.
(Credit to RLM)
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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07 Feb 2005 01:24:24 PM |
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LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107647134.513025.166330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
english is not my first language, I forget american tend to look down
on those who don't speak the language of the empire.
=========================
I'm sure you would be a lot happier in Iran or Iraq. You can spend the rest
of your life converting the Moslems to Watchtowrism. America - love it or
leave it!
The idea of Jabriol with a loaded assault rifle turns my stomach cold.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Ratt-Baggs P@P" |
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07 Feb 2005 03:37:37 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:36ptj9F53mikdU3@individual.net...
LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107647134.513025.166330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
english is not my first language, I forget american tend to look down
on those who don't speak the language of the empire.
=========================
I'm sure you would be a lot happier in Iran or Iraq. You can spend the
rest
of your life converting the Moslems to Watchtowrism. America - love it
or
leave it!
The idea of Jabriol with a loaded assault rifle turns my stomach cold.
================================
Wanna bet the first people he takes out are those bi-racial children he
calls "black ***** human wannabes, baboons and monkeys?" Self hate on
his part? After all he claims to be Puerto Rican and African American but
he despises these people??!?!?! Next he'll take out the mentally ill, the
disabled, the obese, the elderly who he claims are all using up our
resources, then the single mothers he calls sluts, ..... and don't forget
what he says should be done with our deceased loved ones.
--
Ratt-Baggs
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:22:30 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:37:37 -0600, "Ratt-Baggs" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:36ptj9F53mikdU3@individual.net...
The idea of Jabriol with a loaded assault rifle turns my stomach cold.
Wanna bet the first people he takes out are those bi-racial children he
calls "black ***** human wannabes, baboons and monkeys?" Self hate on
his part? After all he claims to be Puerto Rican and African American but
he despises these people??!?!?! Next he'll take out the mentally ill, the
disabled, the obese, the elderly who he claims are all using up our
resources, then the single mothers he calls sluts, ..... and don't forget
what he says should be done with our deceased loved ones.
That's assuming he doesn't just eat it.
--
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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05 Feb 2005 09:22:34 PM |
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LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107647134.513025.166330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
english is not my first language, I forget american tend to look
down
on those who don't speak the language of the empire.
=========================
I'm sure you would be a lot happier in Iran or Iraq. You can spend
the rest
of your life converting the Moslems to Watchtowrism. America - love
it or
leave it!
That what John Walker did... and they drag his rear end back. In fact
the goverment drag in people here that don't want to be... and they are
not americans.. ask Manuel Noriega.
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| User: "LOVEM N. LEEVEM P@P" |
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05 Feb 2005 11:03:03 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107647134.513025.166330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
english is not my first language, I forget american tend to look
down
on those who don't speak the language of the empire.
=========================
I'm sure you would be a lot happier in Iran or Iraq. You can spend
the rest
of your life converting the Moslems to Watchtowrism. America - love
it or
leave it!
==========================
That what John Walker did... and they drag his rear end back. In fact
the goverment drag in people here that don't want to be... and they are
not americans.. ask Manuel Noriega.
So why didn't YOU gone in their place? Think of all the converts you could
make there and you'd be out of the USA.
--
Lov....
Subject: The (NON) Qualifications Of The Translators Of The NWT
Fred Franz: 2 Credit Hours Bible Greek, 21 Credit Hours Classical Greek,
University of Cincinnati, Dropped out junior year.
Nathan Knorr: None
Milton Henschel: None
Albert Schroeder: None
Karl Klein: None
George Gangas: None
~~~ }<(((({O> ~~~ }<{{{{(o> ~~~ }<(((({0> ~~~ }<{{{{{(ô> ~~~
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06 Feb 2005 11:39:06 AM |
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LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107660154.642000.74180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107647134.513025.166330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
english is not my first language, I forget american tend to
look
down
on those who don't speak the language of the empire.
=========================
I'm sure you would be a lot happier in Iran or Iraq. You can
spend
the rest
of your life converting the Moslems to Watchtowrism. America -
love
it or
leave it!
==========================
That what John Walker did... and they drag his rear end back. In
fact
the goverment drag in people here that don't want to be... and they
are
not americans.. ask Manuel Noriega.
So why didn't YOU gone in their place? Think of all the converts you
could
make there and you'd be out of the USA.
as usual it went right over your head...
serves me right replying to a bot.
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| User: "Linda Lou P@P" |
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06 Feb 2005 01:51:14 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> (Known soulless REPROBATE and RACIST Jehovah's
Witness) wrote in message
news:1107711546.146209.301330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107660154.642000.74180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
LOVEM N. LEEVEM wrote:
So why didn't YOU gone in their place? Think of all the converts you
could
make there and you'd be out of the USA.
as usual it went right over your head...
serves me right replying to a bot.
==============================
Better report the BOT to Usenet-Abuse again, like you did last time - and
they LAUGHED you off the NG. You LOVED the "humiliation" they put you
through. BTW, what happened to your lawsuit against HOT? The lawyer take
your money and run?
--
Linda....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
==========================================================
All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Feb 2005 06:48:10 PM |
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On 5 Feb 2005 19:22:34 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
That what John Walker did... and they drag his rear end back. In fact
the goverment drag in people here that don't want to be... and they are
not americans.. ask Manuel Noriega.
If you're so anti-American, why don't you go back to where you came
from?
--
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "" |
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07 Feb 2005 09:15:57 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 19:22:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
That what John Walker did... and they drag his rear end back. In
fact
the goverment drag in people here that don't want to be... and they
are
not americans.. ask Manuel Noriega.
If you're so anti-American, why don't you go back to where you came
from?
I've been exiled from NYC.. where I was born.
and last I heard the constitution gives me the right to voice my
opinion...
or has that changed?
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07 Feb 2005 12:32:44 PM |
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<> wrote in message
news:1107789357.871521.67200@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 19:22:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
That what John Walker did... and they drag his rear end back. In
fact
the goverment drag in people here that don't want to be... and they
are
not americans.. ask Manuel Noriega.
If you're so anti-American, why don't you go back to where you came
from?
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I've been exiled from NYC.. where I was born.
* Change of story? You've already told us the reason for your horrendous
spelling and grammar was because you were born in Puerto Rico (to a single
PR mother and African American father who abandoned her and you). You
claimed English was your second language. Now you were born in NYC?
LOL!!!!
and last I heard the constitution gives me the right to voice my
opinion...
or has that changed?
* America love it or LEAVE it,... try Iran or Iraq.
--
Linda....
"The test of every religious (like the Watchtower Society), political, \or
educational system is the man (like Jabriol) that it forms." ~ Henri Amiel
~
All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Feb 2005 05:58:19 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:32:44 -0600, "~~ ><> ><>" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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I've been exiled from NYC.. where I was born.
* Change of story? You've already told us the reason for your horrendous
spelling and grammar was because you were born in Puerto Rico (to a single
PR mother and African American father who abandoned her and you). You
claimed English was your second language. Now you were born in NYC?
LOL!!!!
To be perfectly fair, there are Hispanic kids born in NYC who don't
hear a word of English until they enter school - IF they enter school.
--
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Ratt-Baggs & Rusty Beddsprings P@P" |
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07 Feb 2005 10:17:09 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:32:44 -0600, "~~ ><> ><>" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:1107789357.871521.67200@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I've been exiled from NYC.. where I was born.
* Change of story? You've already told us the reason for your horrendous
spelling and grammar was because you were born in Puerto Rico (to a
single
PR mother and African American father who abandoned her and you). You
claimed English was your second language. Now you were born in NYC?
LOL!!!!
To be perfectly fair, there are Hispanic kids born in NYC who don't
hear a word of English until they enter school - IF they enter school.
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Al, there were Spanish kids where I lived in Brooklyn who did fine in
school. Some were born in PR, some in SA and some right there in Brooklyn.
They all learned English in kindergarten and 1 st grade. As the years
passed many all but lost their accents. They also learned English playing
with the other kids on the streets. My friend Carmen in Brooklyn didn't
speak but a few words of English when she moved onto our street. By 1956
when we moved to Queens she only spoke good English was did as well in
school as the rest of the class. By the 2nd and 3rd grade the Hispanic kids
were every bit as good in English and spelling as the rest of us. But back
then the single mothers weren't crack heads and drunks. At least not the
section where I lived in the 40s and 50s. Unless Jabriol's mother totally
ignored him and his schooling, there is no reason for his horrendous
spelling and grammar if he were born in NYC. And IAC he can always use
(Google free spellcheckers) a free spellchecker.
--
Ratt......
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:56:15 -0600, (Boydette) wrote:
What its like to be "mind controlled"all your life???? I thought this
was a support group for people damaged by the JWs teachings??......I am
a classic example...learn from me....Boydette
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 01:15:43 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:17:09 -0600, "Ratt-Baggs & Rusty Beddsprings"
<P@P> said in alt.atheism:
Al, there were Spanish kids where I lived in Brooklyn who did fine in
school.
I didn't say that no Hispanic kid raised in the city spoke English -
some of them had parents who insisted that the kids speak English in
the home. (Both for assimilation and so that the parents could learn
English.) But *some* Hispanic kids didn't hear a word of English
until they started school. Some Chinese, Jewish, Polish, German, etc.
It happened all over the city, with all origins. Some parents didn't
know any better.
(My father couldn't earn a living in ANY language in Weimar Germany,
so he didn't want his kids learning anything BUT English. But
"forbidden fruit" and all that ... - not that I remember most of
anything I learned back then.)
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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