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04 Feb 2005 08:48:09 AM |
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TOBS: Good logic |
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
Science has with God, The "Almighty". He asks one of his new
Christian students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student kepps silence.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is
God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God... originally, yes!
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? God's voice?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you
would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are
viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure.Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either
one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the
fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.Now tell
me, Professor: Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour,
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done
so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,Sir. With
all due respect, Sir, how do we can trust your lectures, Sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive........
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04 Feb 2005 10:06:13 PM |
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~{@()@}~ wrote:
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On 4 Feb 2005 06:48:09 -0800, wrote:
Malarkey! No real university professor is that dumb!
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Unless he's a Jehovah's Witness elder running his mouth at a Kingdom
Hall.
Remember Jabriol is a CREATIONIST as are all JWs.
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ahhh yes the appearence of the Carolbot. automatic responses, no
intelligence whatsoever.
## Why don't you want everyone to know JWs are creationists - including
yourself?
Here is the evidence of a bot. Using the Turing test.
Carol, who is responsible for yor 3 divorces, lost custody of your son,
and pacemaker...
God...
or your poor judgement in men?
Yawn,... same stale old Jabber's bait.... :-O
Go here and see for yourself:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
Owl.....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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04 Feb 2005 04:33:38 PM |
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John Ings wrote:
On 4 Feb 2005 06:48:09 -0800, wrote:
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
No real professor would.
would do what.. smile?
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work
Lie. Evolution has been observed many times.
No it hasn't. There is not scientist or researcher that can verify,
that he has observed on lifeform evolved into another, ever.
Nobody has ever observed the evolution of Man from Lucy until now.
and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour,
Lie again. Yes we can so prove.
how so.. ah yes.. the failed manpanzee experiment.. how can I not
forget..
are you not teaching your opinion, sir?
No, he's teaching fact.
not per the scientific method he is not.
Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Only in Creationist fiction. Any real professor would tear that
argument to shreds.
then do so...
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done
so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,Sir.
Arrant nonsense. The activities of any brain are easily demonstrated.
that was not the question...
misdirection noted.
With
all due respect, Sir, how do we can trust your lectures, Sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his
face
unfathomable.)
Malarkey! No real university professor is that dumb!
he is, if he teaches evolution as a fact...
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| User: "Danny Kodicek" |
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04 Feb 2005 04:36:52 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work
Lie. Evolution has been observed many times.
No it hasn't. There is not scientist or researcher that can verify,
that he has observed on lifeform evolved into another, ever.
What, you mean you never saw 'The Fly'? And I definitely remember watching
'Manimal' as a kid.
Danny
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04 Feb 2005 10:11:08 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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Jabriol you are a creationist and for some reason choose to hide this fact.
You've never told us WHY you don't want anyone to know:
Here is the evidence you are a JW-bot. Using the Turing test:
Jabriol, who is responsible for your 3 children disowning you, the lost
custody of your daughter Revis,
and your seizures?
God...
or your poor judgment in women as their mother?
Owl......
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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07 Feb 2005 01:16:02 PM |
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~*{@()@}*~ wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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Jabriol you are a creationist and for some reason choose to hide this fact.
He does? He's doing a *****-poor job of it.
Par for the course for Jabba, though.
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:21:33 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:16:02 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Par for the course for Jabba, though.
Would that be Jabba the Nut?
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"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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10 Feb 2005 10:29:33 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:16:02 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Par for the course for Jabba, though.
Would that be Jabba the Nut?
<chuckle> Hey, I like that.
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "graham" |
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04 Feb 2005 06:28:06 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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not per the scientific method he is not.
I don't think that you have a fucking clue what the scientific method is.
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04 Feb 2005 10:14:10 PM |
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"graham" <stratman@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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not per the scientific method he is not.
I don't think that you have a fucking clue what the scientific method is.
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Jabriol's education is strictly from the Watchtower Society magazines and
books. You're trying to reason with a Creationist who has been at this SAME
debate for the last 9 or 10 years.
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Owl....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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"All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they
produce.
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| User: "" |
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05 Feb 2005 05:58:28 PM |
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graham wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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not per the scientific method he is not.
I don't think that you have a fucking clue what the scientific method
is.
here we go again... a newbie to the thread with a moronic.
The "scientific method" is as follows: Observe what happens; based
on those observations, form a theory as to what may be true; test the
theory by further observations and by experiments; and watch to see if
the predictions based on the theory are fulfilled. Is this the method
followed by those who believe in and teach evolution?
Let see what real scientist say about SM and Evolution"
Evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: "After having chided the
theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself
in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own:
namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be
proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval
past."-The Immense Journey (New York, 1957), p. 199.
The scientific magazine Discover said: "Evolution . . . is not only
under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned
by reputable scientists. Among paleontologists, scientists who study
the fossil record, there is growing dissent."-October 1980, p. 88.
too bad, there are no real scientists on this thread eh...
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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06 Feb 2005 06:16:20 AM |
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here we go again... a newbie to the thread with a moronic.
Talking about yourself again? Every message you post demonstrates that
you're a newbie to reality.
Evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: "After having
chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle,
science found itself in the unenviable position of having
to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption
that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take
place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval
past."-The Immense Journey (New York, 1957), p. 199.
Look, the moron has to dig back to 1957 to find a lie to tell! Typical
creationist ***** and lies. LoL! How pathetic he is. He seems to
forget that I kicked his ***** on this topic in september 2003 on Usenet.
And, of course, he's wrong as usual. Evolution has been observed in
the wild and in the lab. The *science* of evolution uses **precisely**
the same scientific method all sciences use. The fact that you,
Jabberasshole have no clue what you're talking about doesn't help your
"case" one bit.
The scientific magazine Discover said: "Evolution...is not
only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also
being questioned by reputable scientists. Among
paleontologists, scientists who study the fossil record,
there is growing dissent."-October 1980, p. 88.
Another quote from the dark ages. He had to go back a quarter of a
century for this one. And how convenient for him that it isn't
possible to dig back into Discover magazine archives prior to 1992 on
the Internet!
Unfortunately for a lying piece of pigshit like you, Jabberasshole, the
unadulterated quote reveals that the dissent is not about whether
evolution happened but, *as usual, in evolution circles*, about the
precise mechanisms by which it happens. In this case, the question of
whether evolution really makes its way by means of gradual overt
changes over time or gradual changes over time which are only revealed
overtly in fits and starts:
The article in Discover magazine was by James Gorman. It was called
"The Tortoise or the Hare?", and it said:
"Charles Darwin's brilliant theory of evolution, published in 1859, had
a stunning impact on scientific and religious thought and forever
changed man's perception of himself. Now that hallowed theory is not
only under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being
questioned by reputable scientists. Among paleontologists, scientists
who study the fossil record, there is growing dissent from the
prevailing view of Darwinism.... Most of the debate will center on one
key question: Does the three-billion-year-old process of evolution
creep at a steady pace, or is it marked by long periods of inactivity
punctuated by short bursts of rapid change? Is Evolution a tortoise or
a hare? Darwin's widely accepted view -- that evolution proceeds
steadily, at a crawl -- favors the tortoise. But two paleontologists,
Niles Eldredge of the American Museum of Natural History and Stephen
Jay Gould of Harvard, are putting their bets on the hare."
too bad, there are no real scientists on this thread eh...
Why? Do you enjoy getting your worthless flabby ***** whipped raw every
time you open a thread, Santana? Talking of getting your dumb *****
kicked, let's repost the questions you've been running from for the
last several months. I last asked you on Jan 17th this eyar and
you...**RAN AWAY AGAIN**! If you ever find out what happened to your
***** and balls (is it hard ot find somethignt hat small?), I'd be
dleighted to hear some answers from you:
1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon).
True or false?
2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic.
True or false?
3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure. True/false?
4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?
5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes.
True or false?
6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the
desert leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we
are in trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?
7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life
turning into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that
each different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to
its kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came
into being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?
8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it
was or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx
had pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features
and therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?
9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, is pretty much what a
transitional giraffe could have looked like.
True or false?
10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over
60 million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?
12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?
13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents
one "kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?
14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?
15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?
19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in
these news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal
holes in the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence
from others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?
24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer with at least one competent and
intelligent reference that does not refer to a non-existent article in
_New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation, and is not merely a
headline from an article that has nothing otherwise to do with the
topic.
Budikka
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06 Feb 2005 01:43:46 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
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jabberasshole@fastmail.fm (KNOWN SOCIOPATH) wrote:
..> Look, the moron has to dig back to 1957 to find a lie to tell! Typical
creationist ***** and lies. LoL! How pathetic he is. He seems to
forget that I kicked his ***** on this topic in september 2003 on Usenet.
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You kicked his @$$ so many times it's not funny, and Jabriol (Antonio L
Santana-Candia) just comes back for more. He's a pervert who loves
"humiliation." After being soundly "humiliated" and put in his place he's
quiet for awhile. But like flies brushed off roadkill, he always come back
for more. Like any pervert he needs his "FIX." LOL!!! :-)
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Linda.....
All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
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06 Feb 2005 06:54:57 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:43:46 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
You kicked his @$$ so many times it's not funny, and Jabriol (Antonio L
Santana-Candia)
Doesn't a hyphenated hispanic family name indicate both the mother and
the father?
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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06 Feb 2005 10:36:07 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:43:46 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
You kicked his @$$ so many times it's not funny, and Jabriol (Antonio L
Santana-Candia)
Doesn't a hyphenated hispanic family name indicate both the mother and
the father?
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I believe it does. One is his father's last name (he claims his father
didn't marry his mother) and the other is his mother's maiden name. That's
how a SA man explained it to me back in Queens NY.
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Linda....
Free WTS literature?
Here is how it works Boydette.
They pay for the literature they take to go door to door with. At the
door they ask for a donation for what they leave with their "pigeon".
Upon returning to the KH they forfeit all donations that have been
collected.
Actually, in the Eighties they conceived of a dishonest way to cheat
the government of taxes while they effectively doubled their income.
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:56:15 -0600, (Boydette) wrote:
What its like to be "mind controlled"all your life???? I thought this
was a support group for people damaged by the JWs teachings??......I am
a classic example...learn from me....Boydette
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:36:07 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:43:46 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
You kicked his @$$ so many times it's not funny, and Jabriol (Antonio L
Santana-Candia)
Doesn't a hyphenated hispanic family name indicate both the mother and
the father?
I believe it does. One is his father's last name (he claims his father
didn't marry his mother) and the other is his mother's maiden name.
So he hates his mother, he hates his father, but he honors both of
them. Typical of him.
That's how a SA man explained it to me back in Queens NY.
I'm from NYC too. Worked in a few places in Queens over the years.
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"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
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07 Feb 2005 03:24:55 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:36:07 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:43:46 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
You kicked his @$$ so many times it's not funny, and Jabriol (Antonio
L
Santana-Candia)
Doesn't a hyphenated hispanic family name indicate both the mother and
the father?
I believe it does. One is his father's last name (he claims his father
didn't marry his mother) and the other is his mother's maiden name.
So he hates his mother, he hates his father, but he honors both of
them. Typical of him.
## If he HONORED them he would never have posted those things here on
Usenet. He never met his father.
That's how a SA man explained it to me back in Queens NY.
I'm from NYC too. Worked in a few places in Queens over the years.
## It's a great place to live. I'd move back there in a heartbeat, in a
New York minute!
--
Footed Fish....
Free WTS literature?
Here is how it works Boydette.
They pay for the literature they take to go door to door with. At the
door they ask for a donation for what they leave with their "pigeon".
Upon returning to the KH they forfeit all donations that have been
collected.
Actually, in the Eighties they conceived of a dishonest way to cheat
the government of taxes while they effectively doubled their income.
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| User: "cactus" |
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07 Feb 2005 03:19:46 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:36:07 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:d1fd01d4jhadgisqodqd4qsq2df494qrn8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:43:46 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
You kicked his @$$ so many times it's not funny, and Jabriol (Antonio L
Santana-Candia)
Doesn't a hyphenated hispanic family name indicate both the mother and
the father?
I believe it does. One is his father's last name (he claims his father
didn't marry his mother) and the other is his mother's maiden name.
So he hates his mother, he hates his father, but he honors both of
them. Typical of him.
More common than you might think. Private school students in my day
learned to show respect for teachers even if they did not feel it.
That's how a SA man explained it to me back in Queens NY.
I'm from NYC too. Worked in a few places in Queens over the years.
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08 Feb 2005 01:21:13 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:36:07 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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do you suppose the reason he is exiled is because he is dark swarthy and
has hook nose.
paranoias strikes deep. And into his life it doth creep.
josephus
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:43:46 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
You kicked his @$$ so many times it's not funny, and Jabriol (Antonio L
Santana-Candia)
Doesn't a hyphenated hispanic family name indicate both the mother and
the father?
I believe it does. One is his father's last name (he claims his father
didn't marry his mother) and the other is his mother's maiden name.
So he hates his mother, he hates his father, but he honors both of
them. Typical of him.
That's how a SA man explained it to me back in Queens NY.
I'm from NYC too. Worked in a few places in Queens over the years.
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08 Feb 2005 05:50:35 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:21:13 GMT, josephus <dogbird@earthlink.net>
said in alt.atheism:
do you suppose the reason he is exiled is because he is dark swarthy and
has hook nose.
If they kept out everyone who was dark, swarthy and has a hooked nose,
there wouldn't be many taxis moving in NYC.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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06 Feb 2005 11:45:34 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
jabberasshole@fastmail.fm wrote:
here we go again... a newbie to the thread with a moronic.
Talking about yourself again? Every message you post demonstrates
that
you're a
I am going to enjoy this:
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| User: "Linda Lou P@P" |
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06 Feb 2005 01:47:15 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> (Known RACIST and sadistic SOCIOPATH) wrote in message
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When Jabbers is humiliated enough, and satiated for awhile, he SNIPS! But
the tension will build and build until he needs to be "humiliated" and
slapped down once again.
Linda....
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
like Jabriol (Antonio L Santana-Candia) exhibit rates of mental illness
between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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08 Feb 2005 06:26:16 PM |
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oce again proves he's a limp Peter at the
crucifixion, running away when his god needs him most. Way to go,
moron - you did precisely what I expected, just like a trained rat in a
maze.
Budikka
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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07 Feb 2005 01:13:58 PM |
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wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
jabberasshole@fastmail.fm wrote:
here we go again... a newbie to the thread with a moronic.
Talking about yourself again? Every message you post demonstrates
that
you're a
I am going to enjoy this:
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
You enjoy being a coward?
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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07 Feb 2005 03:21:35 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:36psvoF55d61nU1@individual.net...
jabriol@fastmail.fm wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
jabberasshole@fastmail.fm wrote:
I am going to enjoy this:
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
You enjoy being a coward?
That's what Jabber's does when he's been *humiliated* enough for awhile.
That's how he gets his jollies. When he needs "relief" again, he'll be
back with the same worn out old anti-evolution BS for yet another round.
It's been going on for a decade.....
--
Walkinfish....
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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06 Feb 2005 06:53:45 PM |
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On 6 Feb 2005 09:45:34 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
I am going to enjoy this:
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Yes, you do enjoy making an ***** of yourself, don't you?
--
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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07 Feb 2005 12:56:22 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
jabberasshole@fastmail.fm wrote:
< snip >
Evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: "After having
chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle,
science found itself in the unenviable position of having
to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption
that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take
place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval
past."-The Immense Journey (New York, 1957), p. 199.
Look, the moron has to dig back to 1957 to find a lie to tell! Typical
creationist ***** and lies. LoL!
Jesus fuckin' christ. Like one man's opinion from 50 years ago --
probably taken out of context -- is really relevant.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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07 Feb 2005 03:29:06 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:36pruoF53q071U1@individual.net...
Budikka666 wrote:
jabberasshole@fastmail.fm wrote:
< snip >
Evolutionist Loren Eiseley acknowledged: "After having
chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle,
science found itself in the unenviable position of having
to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption
that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take
place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval
past."-The Immense Journey (New York, 1957), p. 199.
Look, the moron has to dig back to 1957 to find a lie to tell! Typical
creationist ***** and lies. LoL!
Jesus fuckin' christ. Like one man's opinion from 50 years ago --
probably taken out of context -- is really relevant.
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It's relevant to a Creationist (Jabriol) when it's all they have. Note
though that when something from the Watchtower literature even a year old is
brought up - the Jehovah's Witnesses like Jabriol DISMISS it as *OLD-LIGHT.*
--
Footed Fish....
Free WTS literature?
Here is how it works Boydette.
They pay for the literature they take to go door to door with. At the
door they ask for a donation for what they leave with their "pigeon".
Upon returning to the KH they forfeit all donations that have been
collected.
Actually, in the Eighties they conceived of a dishonest way to cheat
the government of taxes while they effectively doubled their income.
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05 Feb 2005 09:45:54 PM |
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On 5 Feb 2005 15:58:28 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
The scientific magazine Discover
Discover is a popular magazine, not a scientific journal.
said: "Evolution . . . is not only
under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned
by reputable scientists. Among paleontologists, scientists who study
the fossil record, there is growing dissent."-October 1980, p. 88.
About? (I no longer have my 1980 copies.) There's always dissent
about theories - all theories. That doesn't make the slightest bit of
difference to the underlying observations. Evolution is an
observation. It occurs. Regardless of the dissent about any
particular theory about it.
--
If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
- Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "" |
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06 Feb 2005 11:36:35 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 15:58:28 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
The scientific magazine Discover
Discover is a popular magazine, not a scientific journal.
said: "Evolution . . . is not only
under attack by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being
questioned
by reputable scientists. Among paleontologists, scientists who study
the fossil record, there is growing dissent."-October 1980, p. 88.
About?
me guess... evolution? TOE?
(I no longer have my 1980 copies.)
There's always dissent
about theories - all theories.
excuses, excuses, excuses.
That doesn't make the slightest bit of
difference to the underlying observations.
what observation exactly..
Evolution is an
observation. It occurs. Regardless of the dissent about any
particular theory about it.
I thought it was a theory.. evolution as man origin has not been
observed.
it is speculated. unless you want to call the increase of the
Homo-sexual as speciation... the rest is wishful thinking.
like building the bridge in the bearing straight.. all nice on paper.
not gonna happen.
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| User: "Linda Lou P@P" |
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06 Feb 2005 01:39:03 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> (A Creationist and known sociopathic RACIST) wrote in
message news:1107711395.642177.8750@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I thought it was a theory.. evolution as man origin has not been
observed.
** I thought the bible story was only a myth.. a magical creation that has
not been observed.
it is speculated. unless you want to call the increase of the
Homo-sexual as speciation... the rest is wishful thinking.
** Like those 25,000 secret pedophiles your Watchtower society had quietly
hidden away?
like building the bridge in the bearing straight.. all nice on paper.
not gonna happen.
** Neither do fantastical creations happen... POOF.... and there were
animals and man all nicely created by some homicidal sky daddy!
--
Linda.....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
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