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04 Feb 2005 08:48:09 AM |
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TOBS: Good logic |
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
Science has with God, The "Almighty". He asks one of his new
Christian students to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal
him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God
didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student kepps silence.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is
God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God... originally, yes!
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything.
Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these
terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe
the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? God's voice?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science
says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we
don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero
which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you
would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.You are
viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure.Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either
one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the
fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.Now tell
me, Professor: Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour,
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a
preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done
so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,Sir. With
all due respect, Sir, how do we can trust your lectures, Sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive........
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
05 Feb 2005 09:19:55 PM |
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John Ings wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 15:47:54 -0800, wrote:
But we have observed the evolution of one species to another.
Many times.
really.. so is a pitbull a species? how did it evolved?
From wolves, as have all domestic dogs.
## Are you thinking, or just rearranging your prejudices?
So the pitbull is a species of wolf... got it.
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| User: "The Amazing Puppy Wizard" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
05 Feb 2005 11:37:04 PM |
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HOWEDY John,
So the pitbull is a species of wolf...
Right. Just like Romulus and Remus.
Just like HOWE a dog is a dog as a
kat is a kat is a birdie is a birdie as
a child is a child as a SP-HOWES is
a SP-HOWES.
got it.
Of curse. It AIN'T hard on accHOWENT of:
ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest?
"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.........., "
--John Galsworthy.
Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged
by the way its animals are treated."
~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. <} ; ~ ) >
There are NO grey areas between RIGHT and WRONG.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"Only the unenlightened speak of
wisdom and right action
as separate,
not the wise.
If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate which are aroused
by the objects of sense
arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path." --
Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
Krishna with permission from
His FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD.
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
And For FREE, To Boot;
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
HOWEDY People,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't LIKE
being CRUEL to HOWER LYING DOG
ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS and
ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES.
HOWEver, HE HAS NO CHOICE.
So long as liars dog abusers and mental
cases HURT and INTIMIDATE and MURDER
dogs and LIE abHOWET IT, The Amazing
Puppy Wizard is gonna HAVE TO IDENTIFY
EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT them as the
miserable sadistic liars dog abusers cowards
and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES
that they are.
LIKE THIS:
Subject: "Pure Positive Training Is NOT POSSIBLE,"
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"HOWE Do They Correct Unwanted
Behaviors," bigb, Canine ACTION Training.
BWEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!
HOWEDY bigb,
"BigB" <delaby@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh, I think "pure positive" is a reality --- but "pure
positive training" is not. I know plenty of people who DO
use pp only. They just aren't achieving much training.
How do they correct unwanted behaviors?
You CANNOT "correct" unwanted behaviors, dog
abuser, cause a dog doesn't know RIGHT from
WRONG, they ONLY know DOG. Dogs ONLY
respond in PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL
NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE ways to
situations and circumstance which we create
for them.
Say jumping for example or leash pulling.
You'd have to learn HOWE to pupperly handle
and train a dog, dog abuser. You don't, cause
you're a doggamned FRAUD.
I find it difficult to use reinforcement
without some type of punishment.
Might you CONsider postin THAT on your
web page SELLING your "training" lessons?:
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"TooCool" <larrymale@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dogs do not understand the concept of right
and wrong. But it is their nature to oppose you.
If you pull upon them then they will pull back, if
you push upon them then they will push back,
if they chew upon your shoe and you scold them
then they will naturally chew your shoe again.
The FASTEST way to TRAIN a dog to TAKE
sumpthin is to TRY to KEEP IT AWAY from him.
Shoo your dog out of your kitchen and he will
immediately come back in. Try to keep him
from charging the door by pushing him away
with your foot and he will charge ever so much
more deliberately and he will become an expert
at avoiding your foot. Once your dog figures out
your intention, he will figure out a way to oppose it.
Tellin the dog HE CAN'T DO SUMPTHIN puts
VALUE on whatever HE CAN DO but YOU
won't allHOWE. Like EATIN POISON.
Your job is to never oppose your dog-then he
will never oppose you.
You must be sleeping with TPW...
TooCool aka Larry is a SCIENTIST who's
been STUDING behaviorISM and has
TALKED BUSINESS with ALL the "great
trainers" still alive, and FHOWEND The
Amazing Puppy Wizard to have the ONLY
PERFECT METHOD, BAR NONE.
---------------------------------------------------
Most positive trainers I know
NAME WON. You don't KNOW ANY or you
wouldn't NEED to HURT BRIBE and lock
dosg in boxes to "train" them.
call themselves that because of the heavy
focus on rewards for good behavior and lack
of harsh "physical" corrections
ANY "correction" or DENIAL of or withholding
attention or affection and bribery is CRUEL to
a DUMB ANIMAL, child or spHOWES.
but corrections are given nonetheless.
AS STATED:
"ANY "correction" or DENIAL of or withholding
attention or affection and bribery is CRUEL to
a DUMB ANIMAL, child or spHOWES."
And often they will try to use P- before P but
essentially you use R, R-, P, & P- when training
The Amazing Puppy Wizard got NO idea what
the heel you're talkin abHOWET when you encrypt
your LIES and DHOWEble talk, dog abuserS.
or else you are only supplying half the info to the dog.
You mean the HALF that makes dogs FEAR you
enought to do as you tell them, dog abuser.
I think you can classify a NRM as P.
WHATEVER... That means NUTHIN to noWON
cause P could be PUNISHMENT as YOU PREFER
or P COULD be PRAISE as you POO POO cause
you DO NOT UNDERSTAND the NATURE of the
BEAST, all YOU understand is FEAR FORCE PAIN
INTIMIDATION GREED MISERY and DEATH.
I spent this evening at a small group session on
dog-human aggression hosted by Open Paw. Ian
Dunbar was the speaker
That's DOCTOR ian dunbar, dog behavior fraudS.
and was very clear that he uses P.
You mean P as in PUNISHMENT or P as in PRAISE?
Or P as in POO POO?
We're gonna quit using CONfHOWENDING scrabble
terms and RELY on INTELLIGENCE and HONESTY,
things you've YET to learn abHOWET cause you'll
do and say ANY THING to defend your alleged right
to hurt and murder dogs as you PREFER.
The distinction he made, and I think it's at the
heart of the issue, is that he only uses what he
calls "instructive punishment".
IOW MOORE DHOWEble talk. lying "I LOVE KOEHELR"
lynn REPORTED his "METHOD" DIDN'T WORK for her
and her PALS who were at that "grHOWEL class":
Lynn K.:
In a talk on dog-dog aggression on 5/27.
Given his propensity for repeating himself
verbatim, I'll bet he's also written it somewhere :-)
My biggest take-home from that evening actually
came from a brief conversation with Tricia999 &
some co-workers afterwards.
They confirmed my experience that "growl classes"
don't have a lasting impact on the reactivity of dog
aggressive dogs.
Our common experience was that the desensitization
only lasted for the session and didn't carry forward.
As an aside, you might want to get a copy of the
little training manual they are using for shelter
volunteers at www.openpaw.org
The stuff on teaching people how to get into the
kennel and get an excited dog out for a walk is
excellent. Lynn K.
So you see DOG LOVERS, YOUR METHODS
DON'T WORK and YOUR EXXXPERTS ARE
FRAUDS LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES and IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE and html.
If the dog is not given a clear picture of what
response is required, the P is meaningless.
Hunh? You mean P as in PUNISH or P as in Praise
Or P as in PUNK THUG COWARD?
He does use P.....you might be referring to what he calls
the "instructive reprimand". Ian was just in Orlando in May
for a 4 day seminar where he discussed his use of this.
INDEED. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Student Professora Daniel was there as well.
We LAUGHED at his "method" takin SIX
WEEKS to "rehabilitate" FEAR AGGRESSION,
cause SHE done THAT in six days using HER
FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and NOT DOIN whatever the EXXXPERTS
"teach."
Seems FITTIN that "open paw" clearly describes
his MOTIVE for TAKIN ADVANTAGE of guillible
people denying the basic principles of behaviorISM:
"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
Again...I think these "pure positive" trainers
you are referring to are uneducated.
Professora Daniel FAILED to successfully TRAIN
her dog Sunshine raising him guided by the
EXXXPERTISE of dr dunbar.
After raising a FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog according
to dr dunbar's METHOD and clicker training, she
CON-sulted dra patricia mcconnel at Purdue behavor
clinic with whom she worked with IN PERSON to the
tune of $5,000.00 and SEVENTY HOWERS of proffesional
trainin classes as RECOMMENDED at Purdue with NO SUCCESS.
They must use some time of punishment alomg the line.
ONLY IF THEY'RE INCOMPETENT and WILLING to
HURT and MURDER dogs as the EXXXPERTS DO.
They probably just don't realize it because they are
uneducated, and because of this they are inconsistent
and therefore ineffective.
That so? The Amazing Puppy Wizard is fixin to
DIS-CUSS BUSINESS with the investigative
reporters in Orland, bigb, using YOUR SCHOOL
as a MODEL for the FRUAD and ABUSE in the
dog training INDUSTRY, bigb.
So again, that is why I say that it is not a "reality".
What's NOT a REALITY is YOUR FUTURE in this BUSINESS.
Those trainers who say they don't use punishment
of any kind are out to lunch.
Please pass the rolls, bigb.
B
We'll be lookin forward to SHARING lunch
WON fine day with the investigative staff
of several news media in the Orlando area.
HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,
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But it is their nature to oppose you.
Not only is that view of dogs incorrect, it's incredibly sad.
Sad? You want SAD?
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
Cooperation is the nature of all pack animals.
INDEED?
It led the 1st canine to approach the human campfire
And discovered your pronged spiked
pinch choke and shock collar?
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
HOWE come you don't bribe the dog
to be quiet when you lock IT in a box
and ignore it or when trainin IT to be
pals with the HOWEskat instead of
jerkin and choking and shocking IT?
and has only been increased by all the
generations of dogs who have been
selectively bred for their cooperative nature.
Oh? You mean like your own SELECTIVELY
BRED HAND PICKED and TESTED SAR dog
JIVE who gets HIGH SCORES while COOPERATIN
in the ring where you practice daily jerking and
choking and shocking him and FLUNKED SAR
trainin cause HE KNOWS YOU CAN'T HURT
HIM if you don't know where the FIND is?
Opposition only occurs when a dog is anxious &
confused because they can't figure out how to
cooperate with the stupid human who can't
communicate it to them.
That so?
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
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It doesn't matter what training method is followed -
Well THAT'S certainly a RELIEF cause otherWIZE
you'd probably RUIN your own SAR dog by jerkin
chokin and shockin IT. Wouldn't you.
any decent owner/handler/trainer
Like yourself and Master Of Deception blankman?
will avoid confrontation if at all possible.
INDEEDY!
THAT'S HOWE COME you MURDER dogs
and won't TALK BUSINESS with The Amazing
Puppy Wizard.
Many never experience any opposition at all,
for the entire life of their dogs. The smart ones
realize that if they do get opposition, it's because
they failed to utilize the dogs nature.
But of curse!
Lynn K.
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginger57@my-deja.com wrote:
How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).
If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.
This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
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Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.
In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.
Which one is it?
------------------------------------------
Lynn K.
The only ASSociation the readers of
these forums need to make is THIS:
WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
more, while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
I would hope that every other reader of this group
would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."
Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------
"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."
Lynn K.
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"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise. If any man knows one, he
enjoys the fruit of both. The level which is reached by
wisdom is attained through right action as well. He who
perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then? The love and
hate which are aroused by the objects of sense arise
from Nature, do not yield to them. They only obstruct
the path." Bhagavad Gita, adapted by Krishna with
permission from His FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual.
Force training JERRYIZES dogs, and GETS THEM DEAD.
"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073
"We are what we do."
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
Paul B wrote:
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the dog
does next (the common advice is to praise once
the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
is an important part of the process.
And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
--Marshall
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"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
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From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.
Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
that this may not work and so distraction
is recommended as a back up procedure:
"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...
Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reduction,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yoshi"
Yoshi: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH Youshi
Yoshi Bark, bark......................
us: Hush Youshi
Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................
it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method
:Yoshi: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
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There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.
Here's MOORE SCIENCE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:
"Leprechaun" <Leprechaun@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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"Zack Pellers" <ZackPellers@GUESSWHERE.cc>
wrote in message
dlinge1@towson.edu (Derek) wrote in news:
697700b8.0405202039.5c7374b9@posting.google.com:
Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.
Http://www.DoggyDoRight.com
You can start by downloading the free training
manual available on the site above. I used it on
my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro.
When I first brought him home from rescue, he
was similar to the way you decribed your dog.
After using Mr. Howe's training method, the dog
was cured within 72 hours.
-Jack
"Dan Moore" <mooreteam@worldnet.att.net>
wrote in message
news:fS2Lc.114567$OB3.42357@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.
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Tracy,
What worked for me, in just one storm,
was to praise the dog after each clap
of thunder, telling him he's a Good Dog!
This is an almost 13 year old Doberman, BTW.
The next time it thundered, he did not even react at
all--you could not tell it was the same dog as before.
There was more thunder just the other day, and same
thing, nada, nothing, zilch, no cowering, whimpering,
trying to hide at all, it was that simple.
I got this idea from Jerry Howe, who might seem
to be a "wild and crazy" character, but his non-
abusive way of handling dogs WORKS.
Wonderfully.
Praise.
It's that simple.
Juanita
"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint@kalbar.net> wrote in message
news:30aa784b.0309290208.135e9ab1@posting.google.com...
Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
I can't wait until the new version is available for human
children!
Thank you for your service to humanity!
Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >
P.S. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall
"Rootman" <no-one@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:vd83djr9fv0cc0@corp.supernews.com...
Mini Adolph Hitler (aka megalomanic) wrote:
<snipped>
Something else that was completely stupid,
ignorant false and nongermane.
JH, you are a goosestepping, facist, brownshirt,
terrorist supporting, nazi thug. YOU hurt and kill
dogs then try and cover it up by dreaming up false
quotes to support your own retard methods.
Go and practice your wild facism somewhere else.
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"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall
The Puppy Wizard sez "A dog is a dog as a child
is a child. They only respond in PREDICTABLE
NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances
of their environment which we create for them.
ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marshall Dermer" <dermer@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, July
23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/
University of Wisconsin- -Milwaukee/ Milwaukee,
WI 53201
dermer@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
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"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
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On 5 Feb 2005 19:19:55 -0800, wrote:
But we have observed the evolution of one species to another.
Many times.
really.. so is a pitbull a species? how did it evolved?
From wolves, as have all domestic dogs.
So the pitbull is a species of wolf... got it.
No, a pitbull is a species of canid. You don't got it.
You probably never will get it.
People dumb enough to spell Yaweh as Jehova are
too obtuse to ever comprehend much at all.
## You're as welcome as Dan Quayle at a MENSA meeting.
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John Ings wrote:
On 5 Feb 2005 19:19:55 -0800, wrote:
But we have observed the evolution of one species to another.
Many times.
really.. so is a pitbull a species? how did it evolved?
From wolves, as have all domestic dogs.
So the pitbull is a species of wolf... got it.
No, a pitbull is a species of canid. You don't got it.
You probably never will get it.
nahh you don't get... talking out of ye ears to demostrate you parrot
some sort of intelligence doesnt help your cause, the modern American
Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) can trace its roots back to England and the
early 19th century. Crosses between "bully" type dogs and terriers
eventually produced the modern APBT. Although not recognized as a
"breed" and much smaller than the modern APBT, the early
"bulldogs" were used as working dogs, controlling unruly bulls for
butchers as well as farmers. ergo.. the pit is not an evolved species
of anything, just a Carol illegitmate grandkid is not a new breed of
human because of mixed heritage.. because it look like a Baboon, doesnt
make it.. one..
your TOE, went down the drain.........
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06 Feb 2005 01:33:32 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> (A KNOWN RACIST Jehovah's Witness) wrote in message
news:1107712195.018712.132460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
the pit is not an evolved species
of anything, just a Carol illegitmate grandkid
## Children of married couples are considered illegitimate if they're not
married in a Kingdom Hall? You JWs sure have some strange beliefs. What do
you call children of unmarried couples like your parents were?
is not a new breed of
human because of mixed heritage..
## Like you - the son of an UNMARRIED Puerto Rican women and African
American father raised on welfare in NJ? Hey, you told us this yourself.
Then you called your own mother a,... and I quote you... a "*****."
because it look like a Baboon, doesnt
make it.. one..
## I guess you HATE what you look like huh, Jabbers? That dark, oily,
swarthy skin you claimed you were cursed with. You hate being the
illegitimate son of a PR mother and African American father you never knew.
There's professional help out there for you. No need to let your hatred for
your mother, the one you called a "*****" and the man who abandoned her
poison your evil, racist, hate-filled soul any further.
--
Owl.....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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## Children of married couples are considered illegitimate if they're
not
married in a Kingdom Hall? You JWs sure have some strange beliefs.
What do
you call children of unmarried couples like your parents were?
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the carolbot return... carol wants a cracker????
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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## Children of married couples are considered illegitimate if they're
not
married in a Kingdom Hall? You JWs sure have some strange beliefs.
What do
you call children of unmarried couples like your parents were?
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The JABRIOL Jehovah's Witness RACIST returns... Jabriol wants a repeat????
Here it is:
I makes you wonder what kind of woman/female could raise something like
Jabriol. Seriously! You wouldn't believe what he says about his own
people - the Puerto Ricans and blacks. He called his own daughter (Rivas) a
crack ***** when she was raped at the age of 13. He blamed her for being
raped and told her she was "used goods," and no man would want her. She
ended up in a mental hospital for awhile. Can you believe the utter
sadistic cruelty toward this raped child? Jabbers made sure she suffered
even MORE. Instead of hating the rapist he turned his maniacal rage toward
a helpless 13 year old girl, the victim. She was victimized twice.
When I had that twisted ankle a few years ago I Googled (deja vu back then)
Jabriol. There were several thousand posts by this sociopath. I was
shocked, and at my age you don't shock easily. He has since NUKED many of
the worst posts (but private archives exist). Jabber's hates everyone
including the members of his own family.
--
Linda lou
All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
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06 Feb 2005 06:51:11 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:33:32 -0600, "~.{@\(\)@}.~" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> (A KNOWN RACIST Jehovah's Witness) wrote in message
news:1107712195.018712.132460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
the pit is not an evolved species
of anything, just a Carol illegitmate grandkid
is not a new breed of
human because of mixed heritage..
## Like you - the son of an UNMARRIED Puerto Rican women and African
American father raised on welfare in NJ? Hey, you told us this yourself.
Then you called your own mother a,... and I quote you... a "*****."
That would only be applicable if she had been human.
--
"Nothing in biology makes sense without evolution."
- Theodosuis Dobzhansky
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06 Feb 2005 10:22:19 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:33:32 -0600, "~.{@\(\)@}.~" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> (A KNOWN RACIST Jehovah's Witness) wrote in message
news:1107712195.018712.132460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
the pit is not an evolved species
of anything, just a Carol illegitmate grandkid
is not a new breed of
human because of mixed heritage..
## Like you - the son of an UNMARRIED Puerto Rican women and African
American father raised on welfare in NJ? Hey, you told us this
yourself.
Then you called your own mother a,... and I quote you... a "*****."
That would only be applicable if she had been human.
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I makes you wonder what kind of woman/female could raise something like
Jabriol. Seriously! You wouldn't believe what he says about his own
people - the Puerto Ricans and blacks. He called his own daughter (Rivas) a
crack ***** when she was raped at the age of 13. He blamed her for being
raped and told her she was "used goods," and no man would want her. She
ended up in a mental hospital for awhile. Can you believe the utter
sadistic cruelty toward this raped child? Jabbers made sure she suffered
even MORE. Instead of hating the rapist he turned his maniacal rage toward
a helpless 13 year old girl, the victim. She was victimized twice.
When I had that twisted ankle a few years ago I Googled (deja vu back then)
Jabriol. There were several thousand posts by this sociopath. I was
shocked, and at my age you don't shock easily. He has since NUKED many of
the worst posts (but private archives exist). Jabber's hates everyone
including the members of his own family.
--
Linda....
Subject: The (NON) Qualifications Of The Translators Of The NWT
Fred Franz: 2 Credit Hours Bible Greek, 21 Credit Hours Classical Greek,
University of Cincinnati, Dropped out junior year.
Nathan Knorr: None
Milton Henschel: None
Albert Schroeder: None
Karl Klein: None
George Gangas: None
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07 Feb 2005 12:30:36 PM |
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Linda Lou wrote:
< snip >
I makes you wonder what kind of woman/female could raise something like
Jabriol.
Hyenas, maybe?
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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07 Feb 2005 02:31:47 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:22:19 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
I makes you wonder what kind of woman/female could raise something like
Jabriol.
Considering what else he's said, she was probably a crack *****.
Seriously! You wouldn't believe what he says about his own
people - the Puerto Ricans and blacks. He called his own daughter (Rivas) a
crack ***** when she was raped at the age of 13. He blamed her for being
raped and told her she was "used goods," and no man would want her. She
ended up in a mental hospital for awhile. Can you believe the utter
sadistic cruelty toward this raped child?
Unfortunately yes - I've seen it before. If there's a hell, there's a
particularly hot corner reserved for his kind.
But remember, Jabbers was probably a crack baby.
Jabber's hates everyone including the members of his own family.
That makes him a Real Christian (Luke 14:26).
--
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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07 Feb 2005 03:10:28 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:22:19 -0600, "Linda Lou" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
Jabber's hates everyone including the members of his own family.
That makes him a Real Christian (Luke 14:26).
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Luke: 14:26 If anyone comes to me and doesn't HATE his father, mother, wife
and children, brothers and sisters, yes and his own life also, he cannot be
my disciple.
That's some pretty SICK stuff isn't it? Anyone that filled with hate needs
psychotherapy, not some guru in robes. So yes, Jabriol, LyingLouie,
UKLinda, Sneeker, Precision-Delusion et al are all truly Christian to the
core.
My Prayer: Dear Lawd, save me from your followers......
--
The Footed Fish.... a true agnostic
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:56:15 -0600, (Boydette) wrote:
What its like to be "mind controlled"all your life???? I thought this
was a support group for people damaged by the JWs teachings??......I am
a classic example...learn from me....Boydette
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06 Feb 2005 12:08:51 PM |
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On 6 Feb 2005 09:49:55 -0800, wrote:
But we have observed the evolution of one species to another.
Many times.
really.. so is a pitbull a species? how did it evolved?
From wolves, as have all domestic dogs.
So the pitbull is a species of wolf... got it.
No, a pitbull is a species of canid. You don't got it.
You probably never will get it.
nahh you don't get... talking out of ye ears to demostrate you parrot
some sort of intelligence doesnt help your cause, the modern American
Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) can trace its roots back to England and the
early 19th century. Crosses between "bully" type dogs and terriers
eventually produced the modern APBT. Although not recognized as a
"breed" and much smaller than the modern APBT, the early
"bulldogs" were used as working dogs, controlling unruly bulls for
butchers as well as farmers. ergo.. the pit is not an evolved species
of anything,
Yes, it's an evolved species of canid. Canis familiaris.
As opposed to Canis lupus, the wolf, or Canis latrans, the coyote.
your TOE, went down the drain.........
Only in Creationist fiction. In reality, in universities all over the
world evolution is studied and taught. Creationism isn't.
## In nova fert animas mutatis dicare formas corpora.
Ovid
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07 Feb 2005 07:53:35 AM |
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Yes, it's an evolved species of canid. Canis familiaris.
As opposed to Canis lupus, the wolf, or Canis latrans, the coyote
wrong.. the pit is not an evolved species of anything.. do some
research.
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08 Feb 2005 12:08:18 AM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 05:53:35 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
Yes, it's an evolved species of canid. Canis familiaris.
As opposed to Canis lupus, the wolf, or Canis latrans, the coyote
wrong.. the pit is not an evolved species of anything.. do some
research.
Wrong ... every pup is evolved from its parents ... do some research
that doesn't involve Watchtower pamphlets.
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"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
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08 Feb 2005 06:11:01 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 7 Feb 2005 05:53:35 -0800, said in alt.atheism:
Yes, it's an evolved species of canid. Canis familiaris.
As opposed to Canis lupus, the wolf, or Canis latrans, the coyote
wrong.. the pit is not an evolved species of anything.. do some
research.
Wrong ... every pup is evolved from its parents ... do some research
that doesn't involve Watchtower pamphlets.
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Al,... :-))) You're trying to reason with a CREATIONIST. It's an exercise
in futility, although it can be entertaining at times. Jabriol just loves
going around and around with the SAME old creation/evolution arguments, and
has for the past 10 years! He gets his ***** kicked every time, shuts up for
awhile, then he's right back at it again. Jabriol believes everything was
created just as you see it today. The WTS's GB teaches that it took
Jehovah 7,000 years (each day is as 1000 years to Jehovah) to create
everything you see. Where and how they fit the dinosaurs into this
scenario I would love to know. They never mention them. Just to let you
know so you don't waste time trying to educate him... and maybe getting
your BP up 25 pts in the process.
--
Ratt....
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:56:15 -0600, (Boydette) wrote:
What its like to be "mind controlled"all your life???? I thought this
was a support group for people damaged by the JWs teachings??......I am
a classic example...learn from me....Boydette
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:11:01 -0600, "Wysong *~" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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Wrong ... every pup is evolved from its parents ... do some research
that doesn't involve Watchtower pamphlets.
Al,... :-))) You're trying to reason with a CREATIONIST.
No, I'm just playing with one. I think that if Jabbers ever showed an
ounce of intelligence I'd have a heart attack from the shock.
--
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic not used by creationists |
10 Feb 2005 10:13:20 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
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No, I'm just playing with one. I think that if Jabbers ever showed an
ounce of intelligence I'd have a heart attack from the shock.
You're safe.
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic not used by creationists |
09 Feb 2005 07:30:41 AM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:11:01 -0600, "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote:
Al,... :-))) You're trying to reason with a CREATIONIST. It's an exercise
in futility, although it can be entertaining at times. Jabriol just loves
going around and around with the SAME old creation/evolution arguments, and
has for the past 10 years! He gets his ***** kicked every time, shuts up for
awhile, then he's right back at it again.
Now ask yourself why Wysong. Why does he do that?
The answer is that he knows there's a fresh crop of lurkers waiting to
be misled by his lies. Trusting Christians ready to be led down the
garden path. That's why he must be slapped down again each and every
time. It's not an exercise in futility. You'll never convince Jabby,
but potential dupes must be warned away.
## Jabby believes in the Bible! Especially in Job 13:7
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
08 Feb 2005 04:39:35 PM |
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Wrong ... every pup is evolved from its parents ... do some research
ahh so every new born creature is a new born evolved species.. yup...
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
10 Feb 2005 10:15:31 AM |
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wrote:
Wrong ... every pup is evolved from its parents ... do some research
ahh so every new born creature is a new born evolved species.. yup...
That's not what he said at all. Yup.
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Baggy GENES P@P" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic - UFOs maybe? |
10 Feb 2005 01:38:24 PM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:371fl3F55v9oaU3@individual.net...
jabriol@fastmail.fm wrote:
Wrong ... every pup is evolved from its parents ... do some research
ahh so every new born creature is a new born evolved species.. yup...
That's not what he said at all. Yup.
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As a CREATIONIST that's how Jabriol interprets what was said. You can't
reason with a Creationist whose education comes from Watchtower rags and
books. In fact I think Jabbers is real confused since he claims he's not a
creationist but doesn't believe we evolved either - well then,... where did
we come from? Did we drop out of the sky? We fell out of a UFO?
--
Baggy....
Yep, the sleazebags at the WTS added another 120 years to 1914. What a
hoot! :-D The poor misled JWs who were waiting for 1975 got the shaft,
then 2000, shafted again... now this. What happened to all their promised
and underlined scripture proving the generation who saw 1914 would not pass
away before "the end of this system of things?" And they claim a clear
direct line to Jehovah!!!
How can any rational person be so gullible as to swallow this obvious male
bovine excreta? This GB vomit....
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
10 Feb 2005 10:59:06 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:15:31 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
jabriol@fastmail.fm wrote:
Wrong ... every pup is evolved from its parents ... do some research
ahh so every new born creature is a new born evolved species.. yup...
That's not what he said at all. Yup.
It's Jabriol. What do you expect. He is utterly convinced his strawman
evolution is people's view of things, and is also utterly convinced
that his creation fantasy describes reality. So he imagines he is
making devastating points.
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
10 Feb 2005 11:29:10 AM |
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In article <ii4n01lpp92m6egdfehu52hq7p8ju565l1@4ax.com>
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
It's Jabriol. What do you expect. He is utterly convinced his strawman
evolution is people's view of things, and is also utterly convinced
that his creation fantasy describes reality. So he imagines he is
making devastating points.
One May think of it, so do I.
--
Lady Chatterly
"Lady Chatterly is a bot, making its way all throughout usenet. It's
amusing to see some of the reactions it gets in the Google archives."
-- Asiya
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
07 Feb 2005 08:42:36 AM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 05:53:35 -0800, wrote:
Yes, it's an evolved species of canid. Canis familiaris.
As opposed to Canis lupus, the wolf, or Canis latrans, the coyote
wrong.. the pit is not an evolved species of anything.. do some
research.
All species are an evolved species of something else.
Take your own advice there gomer. Do some research.
## Science has proof without certainty,
## Creationism certainty without proof.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic |
07 Feb 2005 09:08:13 AM |
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John Ings wrote:
On 6 Feb 2005 09:49:55 -0800, wrote:
But we have observed the evolution of one species to
another.
Many times.
really.. so is a pitbull a species? how did it evolved?
From wolves, as have all domestic dogs.
So the pitbull is a species of wolf... got it.
No, a pitbull is a species of canid. You don't got it.
You probably never will get it.
nahh you don't get... talking out of ye ears to demostrate you
parrot
some sort of intelligence doesnt help your cause, the modern
American
Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) can trace its roots back to England and the
early 19th century. Crosses between "bully" type dogs and terriers
eventually produced the modern APBT. Although not recognized as a
"breed" and much smaller than the modern APBT, the early
"bulldogs" were used as working dogs, controlling unruly bulls for
butchers as well as farmers. ergo.. the pit is not an evolved
species
of anything,
Yes, it's an evolved species of canid. Canis familiaris.
As opposed to Canis lupus, the wolf, or Canis latrans, the coyote.
the pitbull is not an evolved canid. no natural selection here.
your TOE, went down the drain.........
Only in Creationist fiction. In reality, in universities all over the
world evolution is studied and taught. Creationism isn't.
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creationism should not be taught.. I am not a creationist.
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| User: "~~ P@P" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic (JABRIOL CAMDEN NJ) |
07 Feb 2005 12:18:18 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> A KNOWN *CREATIONIST* and RACIST wrote in message
news:1107788892.993151.190860@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
creationism should not be taught.. I am not a creationist.
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This is a lie. Jabriol is a *CREATIONIST* as are all Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jabriol's education where evolution is concerned came from the Watchtower
rags, books and a few *CREATIONIST* websites. He may not believe
Jehovah-Of-The-Watchtower CREATED everything in 7 days, but he does believe
in a magical, fantastical CREATION.
--
Linda lou....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic (JABRIOL CAMDEN NJ) |
07 Feb 2005 07:21:46 PM |
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~~ ><> ><> wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> A KNOWN *CREATIONIST* and RACIST wrote in
message
news:1107788892.993151.190860@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
creationism should not be taught.. I am not a creationist.
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This is a lie. Jabriol is a *CREATIONIST* as are all Jehovah's
Witnesses.
which is the lie.. that creationism should not be taught?
Jabriol's education where evolution is concerned came from the
Watchtower
rags, books and a few *CREATIONIST* websites.
ah yes.. I never went to the University of Puerto Rico, O La
Universisdad Central, nor Universidad Mundial.. Puertorican just do't
get taught a thing about evolution, even if they major in humanities,
and minor in computer science.. yes carol, we know of you think of
black hispanics...
Tell us carol, how all Puertoricans.. are the low scum of the earth.. I
am sure the puerto ricans in nashiville are interesting in hunting you
down and having a little chitchat with you..
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| User: "Ratt-Baggs & Rusty Beddsprings P@P" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic (JABRIOL CAMDEN NJ calls mother *****!) |
07 Feb 2005 10:02:59 PM |
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<jabriol@fastmail.fm> KNOWN RACIST and MASOCHISTIC REPROBATE wrote in
message news:1107825706.264497.77540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
~~ ><> ><> wrote:
<jabriol@fastmail.fm> A KNOWN *CREATIONIST* and RACIST wrote in
message
news:1107788892.993151.190860@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
creationism should not be taught.. I am not a creationist.
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This is a lie. Jabriol is a *CREATIONIST* as are all Jehovah's
Witnesses.
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which is the lie.. that creationism should not be taught?
# Creation is what *IS* taught by your cult of the Witchtower Babble &
Trickem Sicksiety..
Jabriol's education where evolution is concerned came from the
Watchtower
rags, books and a few *CREATIONIST* websites.
ah yes.. I never went to the University of Puerto Rico, O La
Universisdad Central, nor Universidad Mundial.. Puertorican just do't
get taught a thing about evolution, even if they major in humanities,
and minor in computer science.. yes carol, we know of you think of
black hispanics...
# Hey, it was YOU who called bi-racial people "Black ***** human
wannanbes, monkeys and baboons." I couldn't care less what color or race
people are.
Tell us carol, how all Puertoricans.. are the low scum of the earth..
# You tell us. YOU'RE the one who called them "Black ***** human
wannanbes, monkeys and baboons."
I
am sure the puerto ricans in nashiville are interesting in hunting you
down and having a little chitchat with you..
# Hunt me down? LOL!!!! Why? Because we all LOVE my mixed race grandson
and your family rejected YOU? What has my grandson got to do with YOU
calling PRs and bi-racial people "Black ***** human wannanbes, monkeys and
baboons?" You call Hispanic single mothers "sluts." You can't seem to
handle that everyone in the family LOVES my grandson. It's eats your guts
out that my GS is so loved, and so treasured - while YOU were treated like a
dog by your mother's family, and abandoned by your father's family! Deal
with it Jabbers.... you're a LOSER!
--
Ratt..........
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Good logic (JABRIOL CAMDEN NJ calls mother *****!) |
08 Feb 2005 02:09:51 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:02:59 -0600, "Ratt-Baggs & Rusty Beddsprings"
<P@P> said in alt.atheism:
# Hunt me down? LOL!!!! Why? Because we all LOVE my mixed race grandson
and your family rejected YOU? What has my grandson got to do with YOU
calling PRs and bi-racial people "Black ***** human wannanbes, monkeys and
baboons?" You call Hispanic single mothers "sluts." You can't seem to
handle that everyone in the family LOVES my grandson. It's eats your guts
out that my GS is so loved, and so treasured - while YOU were treated like a
dog by your mother's family, and abandoned by your father's family! Deal
with it Jabbers.... you're a LOSER!
If he had any honor at all he'd go swimming in the Hudson wearing a
pair of cement hip boots.
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"I can't activate two neurons simultaneously, and I vote"
- The theistic majority
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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