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18 Feb 2005 06:34:12 AM |
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People once thought Saturn was Yellow..
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/17feb_bluesaturn.htm?list1274480
many still belive that man origin is evolution.
theories can change...
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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18 Feb 2005 07:26:39 AM |
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<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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People once thought Saturn was Yellow..
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/17feb_bluesaturn.htm?list1274480
many still belive that man origin is evolution.
theories can change...
Theories can get refined, too. Meanwhile, religion remains static.
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| User: "Seppo Pietikainen" |
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| Title: Re: saturn |
18 Feb 2005 07:30:28 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1108730051.972325.230790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
People once thought Saturn was Yellow..
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/17feb_bluesaturn.htm?list1274480
many still belive that man origin is evolution.
theories can change...
Theories can get refined, too. Meanwhile, religion remains static.
Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting "truths"...
Seppo P.
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| User: "Hi-GENES P@P" |
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18 Feb 2005 12:43:37 PM |
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"Seppo Pietikainen" <s.pietikainen@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting "truths"...
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Thank you, no one could have said it better!
Kimbrio.....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
The best defense to logic is ignorance
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| User: "Twittering One" |
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18 Feb 2005 05:30:08 PM |
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"Except when someone
Isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult
And establishes a new cult with (yet) another,
*different* set of unchanging,
everlasting
"truths"..."
~ Seppo
"Cut! That's a take ~ A
Print, a lithograph telegraphed to my frame,
Gilding
My gelding's hide-and-seek, our intermezzo's half-time
Show. Or so, I thougt, until I sought
A second opinion. And then I fell
Backwards..."
~ Twitteirng
"Thank you,
No one could have said it better!"
~ Hi-Genes
"You're welcome!"
~ Twittering
"Kimbrio.....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-=3D Isaac Asimov =3D-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{=D2> ~~~~ }<((({=F6> ~~~~
The best defense to logic
Is ignorance.
~ Hi-Genes
"Fishies? O, may I
Swim, too, to whereever you're swimming
Toward? And, O, seen Ms.
Valeie Ward wandering these woods?"
~ Twittering
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| User: "Peter Webb" |
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| Title: Re: saturn |
18 Feb 2005 08:21:10 AM |
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Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting "truths"...
And then they fight for 2000 years over a bit of desert on the Western
mediteranean, and many many other places besides.
Mother Teresa saves 100 people in her clinic, and advises Indian women (who
admire her greatly) not to wear condoms causing hundreds of thousands of
more poor mouths to feed, not to mention an increase in AIDS rates. Are
these people be pure evil or simply misguided?
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| User: "Hi-GENES P@P" |
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18 Feb 2005 12:53:31 PM |
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily-diespamdie@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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many other places besides.
Mother Teresa saves 100 people in her clinic, and advises Indian women
(who
admire her greatly) not to wear condoms causing hundreds of thousands of
more poor mouths to feed, not to mention an increase in AIDS rates. Are
these people be pure evil or simply misguided?
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I believe they're misguided by their interpretation of the bible. That's
what makes them so deadly. They believe the harm they do is somehow GOOD
and pleasing to *their* special God (depending on religious sect or cult).
Look at the Jehovah's Witnesses. They kill their members over something
like a blood transfusion. Yes, transfusions can pass disease (2%) but it's
still better than a 100% certainty of death without one. Oh, and to save
face they hid over 24,000 known pedophiles in their congregations. ***** many
innocent little kids were sodomized or raped by these freaks?
--
Kimbrio.....
"Men never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~*
Well, then, have I become YOUR enemy because I tell YOU the truth?
Galatians 4:16 NWT
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| User: "Twittering One" |
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18 Feb 2005 03:36:20 PM |
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"(who
admire her greatly)"
~ Hi-Genes
"Seen Uncle
Roughly?"
~ Twittering
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| User: "Twittering One" |
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18 Feb 2005 02:15:48 PM |
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"I believe they're misguided
By their interpretation of the bible.
That's what makes them so deadly.
They believe the harm they do is somehow GOOD
and pleasing to *their* special God
(depending on religious sect or cult).
Look at the Jehovah's Witnesses.
They kill their members over something like a blood transfusion.
Yes, transfusions can pass disease (2%)
but it's still better than a 100%
certainty of death without one.
Oh, and to save face they hid over 24,000 known pedophiles
in their congregations. ***** many
innocent little kids
were sodomized or raped by these freaks?"
~ H-Genes
"Hi!
Seen Blyx, the Lynx?
Or just, you, playing hyjinx?
Me thinks, therefore, I forgot to ask ~ O, what goes
Nicely with my new Filofax? For, know!
My days, all a daze, each one blends, lends another
Undone, and now, O, all just
Picking daisy's, or sprouting? O, where's Deer?
I need Bear over here."
~ Twittering
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| User: "" |
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18 Feb 2005 05:13:07 PM |
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Hi-GENES wrote:
Look at the Jehovah's Witnesses. They kill their members over
something
like a blood transfusion.
So if a Jehovah Witness take a blood transfusion, they get killed by
other Jehovah's Witnesses. I see.
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| User: "By-GENES P@P" |
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| Title: Re: saturn - blood and death |
19 Feb 2005 01:22:14 PM |
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<Zentradi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi-GENES wrote:
Look at the Jehovah's Witnesses. They kill their members over
something
like a blood transfusion.
So if a Jehovah Witness take a blood transfusion, they get killed by
other Jehovah's Witnesses. I see.
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They do? Is that how you understood it? They are NOT ALLOWED to take a
blood transfusion to save their lives. They must DIE instead. If they do
take the blood they are as good as dead since they will be disfellowshipped
and shunned. This of course rips apart marriages and families in many
cases. When Armageddon comes and Jehovah slaughters and butchers everyone
but them - the person who took blood gets slaughtered with everyone else -
no Watchtower paradise for those who took blood. *See* better now? :-)
--
Kimbro DeProgrammer # 664
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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| User: "Twittering One" |
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| Title: Re: saturn |
18 Feb 2005 01:59:40 PM |
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"The Changling?
What's that?"
~ Twittering
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Feb 2005 03:33:10 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:21:10 +1100, "Peter Webb"
<webbfamily-diespamdie@optusnet.com.au> said in alt.atheism:
Mother Teresa saves 100 people in her clinic, and advises Indian women (who
admire her greatly) not to wear condoms causing hundreds of thousands of
more poor mouths to feed, not to mention an increase in AIDS rates. Are
these people be pure evil or simply misguided?
Religion is evil. Most people who follow a religion are merely
misguided. (People like Mother Teresa give the word "evil" a new
meaning.)
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the
one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
-- H. L. Mencken
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Mario Berger" |
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| Title: Re: saturn |
18 Feb 2005 07:35:50 AM |
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Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting "truths"...
Searching for a black cat in a dark room, you can claim the cat looks
like anything...
~Mik
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"The geek shall inherit the earth."
-- Rainer Wolfcastle in "Undercover Nerd"
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| User: "Seppo Pietikainen" |
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| Title: Re: saturn |
18 Feb 2005 08:34:04 AM |
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Mario Berger wrote:
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting
"truths"...
Searching for a black cat in a dark room, you can claim the cat looks
like anything...
My cat is blacker than your cat, you hellbound heathen :)
~Mik
Seppo P.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: saturn |
18 Feb 2005 11:41:42 AM |
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Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Mario Berger wrote:
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting
"truths"...
Searching for a black cat in a dark room, you can claim the cat looks
like anything...
My cat is blacker than your cat, you hellbound heathen :)
~Mik
Seppo P.
And my sense of humor is blacker than any of them.
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| User: "Martin" |
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18 Feb 2005 08:47:30 AM |
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Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Mario Berger wrote:
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting
"truths"...
Searching for a black cat in a dark room, you can claim the cat looks
like anything...
after 6 pints they do! :~
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| User: "Michael Clark" |
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18 Feb 2005 01:57:52 PM |
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"Martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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[burp]
Searching for a black cat in a dark room, you can claim the cat looks
like anything...
after 6 pints they do! :~
I wonder if 6 pints could get you to resist the temptation to
spread Jabby's nonsense far and wide? What's it gonna take to get
you mensa members to trim the NG's line? Money? Would you
take money?
--
Yada, yada, yada.
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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20 Feb 2005 03:37:58 AM |
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Michael Clark wrote:
"Martin" <martin_nospam@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cv4v62$hg3$1@titan.btinternet.com...
[burp]
Searching for a black cat in a dark room, you can claim the cat looks
like anything...
after 6 pints they do! :~
I wonder if 6 pints could get you to resist the temptation to
spread Jabby's nonsense far and wide? What's it gonna take to get
you mensa members to trim the NG's line? Money? Would you
take money?
Not sure about money.......... but Jabber's head on a plate might do ...
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MA - Yoiks......and AWAY !
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 Feb 2005 01:45:34 PM |
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on 18 Feb 2005 in alt.atheism, Martin dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Mario Berger wrote:
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Except when someone isn't happy with the unchanging, everlasting
"truths" of his present religious cult and establishes a new cult
with (yet) another, *different* set of unchanging, everlasting
"truths"...
Searching for a black cat in a dark room, you can claim the cat looks
like anything...
after 6 pints they do! :~
After six pints they look like women!
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are the kind of
people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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22 Feb 2005 05:21:25 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:26:39 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1108730051.972325.230790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
People once thought Saturn was Yellow..
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/17feb_bluesaturn.htm?list1274480
many still belive that man origin is evolution.
theories can change...
Theories can get refined, too. Meanwhile, religion remains static.
My Saturn is dark green.
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| User: "Peter Jones" |
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23 Feb 2005 05:10:29 AM |
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In article <ltec11d07l6aggcvpo2g6ghvbq3env1o18@4ax.com>, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:26:39 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1108730051.972325.230790@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
People once thought Saturn was Yellow..
My Saturn is dark green.
Am I the only one here with the overwhelming urge to query the colour of
Uranus?
Pete.
--
$email =~ s/_.*_/@/;
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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18 Feb 2005 07:14:30 AM |
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wrote:
People once thought Saturn was Yellow..
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/17feb_bluesaturn.htm?list1274480
many still belive that man origin is evolution.
Nobody believes it. It isn't a question of what one believes.
theories can change...
.... but facts don't. Science is, always has been, and always will be
beyond you.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
If God had meant us to believe in him, he wouldn't have given us brains.
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| User: "" |
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18 Feb 2005 08:28:26 AM |
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but facts don't. Science is, always has been, and always will be
beyond you.
and yet evolution does not pass the scientific method, and thus can not
be a fact.
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| User: "Hi-GENES P@P" |
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18 Feb 2005 12:40:16 PM |
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<Jabriol@excite.com> a KNOWN RACIST CREATIONIST wrote in message
news:1108736906.288184.253660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
but facts don't. Science is, always has been, and always will be
beyond you.
and yet evolution does not pass the scientific method, and thus can not
be a fact.
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The same EXACT argument from Jabriol for 10 years now! He still hasn't
told us how a magical fantastical CREATION passes the Scientific Method.
Jabriol KNOWS there was no magical creation. This just gets him attention
like nothing else does - now that the support groups all have him killfiled.
When asked some tough questions by people like Budikka he "snips" and runs
for his life...... LOL!!! :-D
--
Kimbro....
"The test of every religious (like the Watchtower Society), political, or
educational system is the man (like Jabriol) that it forms."
~ Henri Amiel ~
All trees (like the WTS) can be judged by the fruit (Jabriols) they produce.
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| User: "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP, LP, BLT, ETC." |
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18 Feb 2005 04:03:54 PM |
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<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1108736906.288184.253660@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
but facts don't. Science is, always has been, and always will be
beyond you.
and yet evolution does not pass the scientific method, and thus can not
be a fact.
Jabrs, how many, many times do we have to explain to you that evolution does
fit the scientific method? We have explained what the method is, how it
proceeds, and how the theory of evolution is scientifically sound
methodologically.
Is your head that f'g hard?
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| User: "Mario Berger" |
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18 Feb 2005 08:47:43 AM |
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wrote:
and yet evolution does not pass the scientific method, and thus can not
be a fact.
spread your bleeding propaganda someplace else. disprove evolution,
either directly or by proving it's opposite or go away.
~Mik
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"The geek shall inherit the earth."
-- Rainer Wolfcastle in "Undercover Nerd"
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: tobs: saturn |
18 Feb 2005 09:12:13 AM |
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spread your bleeding propaganda someplace else. disprove evolution,
either directly or by proving it's opposite or go away.
Prove evolution as the origin of man via the scientific method.. or be
gone.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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18 Feb 2005 09:52:40 AM |
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<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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spread your bleeding propaganda someplace else. disprove evolution,
either directly or by proving it's opposite or go away.
Prove evolution as the origin of man via the scientific method.. or be
gone.
The scientific method cannot be used to "prove" anything.
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| User: "" |
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18 Feb 2005 11:30:14 AM |
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The scientific method cannot be used to "prove" anything.
Introduction to the Scientific Method
The scientific method is the process by which scientists, collectively
and over time, endeavor to construct an accurate (that is, reliable,
consistent and non-arbitrary) representation of the world.
Recognizing that personal and cultural beliefs influence both our
perceptions and our interpretations of natural phenomena, we aim
through the use of standard procedures and criteria to minimize those
influences when developing a theory. As a famous scientist once said,
"Smart people (like smart lawyers) can come up with very good
explanations for mistaken points of view." In summary, the scientific
method attempts to minimize the influence of bias or prejudice in the
experimenter when testing an hypothesis or a theory.
I. The scientific method has four steps
1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.
2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics,
the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a
mathematical relation.
3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena,
or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.
4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several
independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.
If the experiments bear out the hypothesis it may come to be regarded
as a theory or law of nature (more on the concepts of hypothesis,
model, theory and law below). If the experiments do not bear out the
hypothesis, it must be rejected or modified. What is key in the
description of the scientific method just given is the predictive power
(the ability to get more out of the theory than you put in; see Barrow,
1991) of the hypothesis or theory, as tested by experiment. It is often
said in science that theories can never be proved, only disproved.
There is always the possibility that a new observation or a new
experiment will conflict with a long-standing theory.
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| User: "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP, LP, BLT, ETC." |
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18 Feb 2005 04:05:26 PM |
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<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1108747814.753897.265570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The scientific method cannot be used to "prove" anything.
Introduction to the Scientific Method
You need to get a better book... one with an adequate explanation of the
empirical process.
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