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Religions > Atheism |
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"Rekur Van" |
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27 Sep 2006 06:13:29 AM |
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TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We’re
not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the
whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth, the reach is boundless. One
of the Bible writers, Paul, stated: “Now we see only puzzling
reflections in a mirror . . . My knowledge now is
partial.”—1 Corinthians 13:12, The New English Bible.
Partial knowledge concerning both scientific and religious questions,
however, does not prevent us from reaching sound conclusions based on
the facts we have. We don’t need a detailed knowledge of the origin of
the sun in order to be absolutely sure that it is going to rise tomorrow.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Let the known facts speak-creative day? |
28 Sep 2006 11:19:12 AM |
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Rekur Van <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in
news:n2SSg.12869$2G1.2650@trnddc07:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:35:20 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <sFFSg.12790$2G1.3635@trnddc07> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:41:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
Then stop looking to the Bible when science questions (age of the
Earth, history of life, geology, etc.) come up. It is irrelevant.
Not everything is irrelevant.
True. But the Bible is irrelevant to science questions. I thought we
had agreed on that.
We did. The Bible is not a science manual. I would not go to the Bible
to get information on astronomy. However the Bible tells me that the
Hebrews had a concept of star constellations.
So? Humans tend to see patterns in all manner of things, perhaps from a
desire to impose order on what they perceive as chaos. The Hebrews were
not by any means the first primitive people to have an awareness of the
stars and their motions and patterns (only seen in those patterns from
Earth). Seen from another vantage point, those "patterns would be
distorted or nonexistent.
Pangur - hoping the intrusion into the discussion isn't resented
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Let the known facts speak-creativeday? |
28 Sep 2006 01:00:27 PM |
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Pangur Ban wrote:
Rekur Van <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in
news:n2SSg.12869$2G1.2650@trnddc07:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:35:20 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <sFFSg.12790$2G1.3635@trnddc07> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:41:46 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
Then stop looking to the Bible when science questions (age of the
Earth, history of life, geology, etc.) come up. It is irrelevant.
Not everything is irrelevant.
True. But the Bible is irrelevant to science questions. I thought we
had agreed on that.
We did. The Bible is not a science manual. I would not go to the Bible
to get information on astronomy. However the Bible tells me that the
Hebrews had a concept of star constellations.
So? Humans tend to see patterns in all manner of things, perhaps from a
desire to impose order on what they perceive as chaos. The Hebrews were
not by any means the first primitive people to have an awareness of the
stars and their motions and patterns (only seen in those patterns from
Earth). Seen from another vantage point, those "patterns would be
distorted or nonexistent.
Pangur - hoping the intrusion into the discussion isn't resented
Yes Yes... do you understand the point of the thread??
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| User: "Alice Buckner Greeves" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Let the known facts speak-creative day? |
02 Oct 2006 06:00:46 PM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:%4USg.9106$fl2.2870@trnddc02...
is the dangerous sociopth Antonio L Santana aka Jabriol, Jehovah's Witness
net stalker of TN family. Mr Santana told all of usenet about the rapes of
Norma and Revis and blamed this TN family. He told us all his family dirt
and blamed others.
Antonio L. Santana aka Jabriol resides at:
1064 Everett Street, Camden, NJ, (856) 968-0004
He and Norma attend the Spanish Speaking congragation
of Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ
Here's the proof Antonio L Santana, known stalker and sociopath wants his
victim Carol DEAD!
----- Original Message --- one of many similar messages:
From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana
news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
youre doomed.. you know it.
Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her)
(*Mr Santana then provides his victim's name, address and phone number to
anyone interested in his offer)
Call the FBI and the Police Antonio. Do it now and explain your endless
harassment, stalking, slander, threats, posting your victims PI on Usenet
and more.
You have no excuse Antonio, here's the numbers to call to report all the
murders, child-porn and prostitution you've accused this family of:
FBI Memphis
Suite 3000, Eagle Crest Bldg.
225 North Humphreys Blvd.
Memphis, Tennessee 38120-2107
memphis.fbi.gov
(901) 747-4300
Murfreesboro Police-Detectives
302 S Church St,
Murfreesboro, 37130
(615) 893-2717
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| User: "Ira Y. Palmer" |
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29 Sep 2006 01:27:57 AM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:t1tSg.11757$Vk4.558@trnddc01...
is sociopth Antonio L Santana aka Jabriol, Jehovah's Witness net stalker of
TN family.
Here's the proof you want your victim Carol DEAD Antonio!
----- Original Message --- one of many similar messages:
From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana
news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
youre doomed.. you know it.
Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her)
(*Mr Santana then provides his victim's name, address and phone number to
anyone interested in his offer)
Call the FBI and the Police Antonio. Do it now and explain your endless
harassment, stalking, slander, threats, posting your victims PI on Usenet
and more.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 08:07:16 AM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:t1tSg.11757$Vk4.558@trnddc01...
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite universe,
space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be no end to
this process, being the insatiably curious species that we are, exploring,
looking around and trying to understand things. We’re not ever going to
get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point where everyone will
breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the whole thing.’ It’s
going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth, the reach is boundless. One
of the Bible writers, Paul, stated: “Now we see only puzzling reflections
in a mirror . . . My knowledge now is partial.”—1 Corinthians 13:12, The
New English Bible.
Partial knowledge concerning both scientific and religious questions,
however, does not prevent us from reaching sound conclusions based on the
facts we have. We don’t need a detailed knowledge of the origin of the sun
in order to be absolutely sure that it is going to rise tomorrow.
You're absolutely right. And given the *facts* we now have, they point to
the 'fact' that there is NO 'God'; that he's entirely fictitious. *That* is
now as obvious as the fact that the sun is absolutely going to 'rise' (it
truly doesn't 'rise' according to the scientists, but everyone knows what is
meant by the term) tomorrow. Geesh! Isn't that good to know. Isn't that
wonderful news. Now people can stop killing each other over this completely
man-'created', imaginary creature. At least one hopes so. Wouldn't you
agree?
Greywolf
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 08:30:21 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
You're absolutely right. And given the *facts* we now have, they point to
the 'fact' that there is NO 'God'; that he's entirely fictitious. *
Not by definition. Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god,
inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own
and venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god.
You do have a belly, don't you?
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 08:57:45 AM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:N1vSg.11895$Vk4.5200@trnddc01...
Greywolf wrote:
You're absolutely right. And given the *facts* we now have, they point to
the 'fact' that there is NO 'God'; that he's entirely fictitious. *
Not by definition. Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god,
inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and
venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god.
You do have a belly, don't you?
Is that how low theists have to stoop to continue to cling to an obviously
make-believe 'God'? He's now a 'belly'? *That*, my friend, is *really*
reaching. Myself; I'm going to start 'worshiping' at the feet of a female I
saw in a TV ad. Now that's a 'real' God .... dess!
Greywolf
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 09:20:43 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:N1vSg.11895$Vk4.5200@trnddc01...
Greywolf wrote:
You're absolutely right. And given the *facts* we now have, they point to
the 'fact' that there is NO 'God'; that he's entirely fictitious. *
Not by definition. Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god,
inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and
venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god.
You do have a belly, don't you?
Is that how low theists have to stoop to continue to cling to an obviously
make-believe 'God'? He's now a 'belly'? *That*, my friend, is *really*
reaching. Myself; I'm going to start 'worshiping' at the feet of a female I
saw in a TV ad. Now that's a 'real' God .... dess!
Greywolf
You don't have a Belly?
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| User: "Ken Kellerman" |
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| Title: Re: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 10:18:33 PM |
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"Rekur Van" is the net stalker Antonio L Santana aka
jabriol<Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:%MvSg.11903$Vk4.6812@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana. It seems Carol is really
Norma I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
From: Vance Liscomb <Vance_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction)
In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta
(born
September
1959) and his address is:
Antonio L. Santana (JABRIOL)
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ
(856) 968-0004
His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey
Hospital.
http://terraserver-
usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2454&Y=22098&W=1&qs=1064+Eve
rett+Street%7ccamden%
7cnew+jersey%7c&Addr=1064+Everett+St%2c+Camden%2c+NJ+08104&ALon=-
75.1075127&ALat=39.9275305
There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
1584 S 8th St
Camden, NJ 08104-1469
(856) 365-0065
417 Walnut St
Camden, NJ 08103-2033
(856) 365-4457
Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more
than one
congregation using the same KH.
I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness, so you might want to
ask for Norma
Santana as well when you call.
I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
856-964-6712
A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
where
Antonio lives.
It's possible that the information that you've been posting about Antonio
has
been wrong all along.
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 06:44:02 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:20:43 GMT, Rekur Van <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote:
- Refer: <%MvSg.11903$Vk4.6812@trnddc01>
Greywolf wrote:
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:N1vSg.11895$Vk4.5200@trnddc01...
Greywolf wrote:
You're absolutely right. And given the *facts* we now have, they point to
the 'fact' that there is NO 'God'; that he's entirely fictitious. *
Not by definition. Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god,
inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and
venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god.
You do have a belly, don't you?
Is that how low theists have to stoop to continue to cling to an obviously
make-believe 'God'? He's now a 'belly'? *That*, my friend, is *really*
reaching. Myself; I'm going to start 'worshiping' at the feet of a female I
saw in a TV ad. Now that's a 'real' God .... dess!
Greywolf
You don't have a Belly?
You don't have a brain?
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| User: "Ken Kellerman" |
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27 Sep 2006 10:16:28 PM |
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"Rekur Van" is Jabriol/Antonio Santana known net stalker and sociopath
<Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message news:t1tSg.11757$Vk4.558@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana. It seems Carol is really
Norma I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
From: Vance Liscomb <Vance_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction)
In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta
(born
September
1959) and his address is:
Antonio L. Santana (JABRIOL)
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ
(856) 968-0004
His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey
Hospital.
http://terraserver-
usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2454&Y=22098&W=1&qs=1064+Eve
rett+Street%7ccamden%
7cnew+jersey%7c&Addr=1064+Everett+St%2c+Camden%2c+NJ+08104&ALon=-
75.1075127&ALat=39.9275305
There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
1584 S 8th St
Camden, NJ 08104-1469
(856) 365-0065
417 Walnut St
Camden, NJ 08103-2033
(856) 365-4457
Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more
than one
congregation using the same KH.
I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness, so you might want to
ask for Norma
Santana as well when you call.
I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
856-964-6712
A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
where
Antonio lives.
It's possible that the information that you've been posting about Antonio
has
been wrong all along.
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com
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| User: "Bobby Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
28 Sep 2006 02:28:45 AM |
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In article <t1tSg.11757$Vk4.558@trnddc01>,
Rekur Van <Diebuster@gun.org> writes:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We’re
not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the
whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth, the reach is boundless. One
of the Bible writers, Paul, stated: “Now we see only puzzling
reflections in a mirror . . . My knowledge now is
partial.”—1 Corinthians 13:12, The New English Bible.
Partial knowledge concerning both scientific and religious questions,
however, does not prevent us from reaching sound conclusions based on
the facts we have.
What facts do we have regarding supernatural phenomena?
--
Bobby Bryant
Reno, Nevada
Remove your hat to reply by e-mail.
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| User: "Ips-Switch" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
28 Sep 2006 10:42:44 AM |
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"Bobby Bryant" <bdbryant@wherever.ur> wrote in message
news:NQKSg.6170$GR.4445@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
In article <t1tSg.11757$Vk4.558@trnddc01>,
Rekur Van <Diebuster@gun.org> writes:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: "There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We're
not ever going to get it solved. I can't imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, 'Now we understand the
whole thing.' It's going to remain beyond us."
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth, the reach is boundless. One
of the Bible writers, Paul, stated: "Now we see only puzzling
reflections in a mirror . . . My knowledge now is
partial."-1 Corinthians 13:12, The New English Bible.
Partial knowledge concerning both scientific and religious questions,
however, does not prevent us from reaching sound conclusions based on
the facts we have.
What facts do we have regarding supernatural phenomena?
Stand back as they waggle their bibles in your face. The fact is they live
in fantasyland.
--
Bobby Bryant
Reno, Nevada
Remove your hat to reply by e-mail.
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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28 Sep 2006 10:44:48 AM |
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Bobby Bryant wrote:
In article <t1tSg.11757$Vk4.558@trnddc01>,
Rekur Van <Diebuster@gun.org> writes:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We’re
not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the
whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth, the reach is boundless. One
of the Bible writers, Paul, stated: “Now we see only puzzling
reflections in a mirror . . . My knowledge now is
partial.”—1 Corinthians 13:12, The New English Bible.
Partial knowledge concerning both scientific and religious questions,
however, does not prevent us from reaching sound conclusions based on
the facts we have.
What facts do we have regarding supernatural phenomena?
I don't subscribe to the supranatural. Nor do I see it in the Bible...
do you?
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| User: "Bryan Olson" |
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28 Sep 2006 03:53:27 PM |
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Rekur Van wrote:
Bobby Bryant wrote:
What facts do we have regarding supernatural phenomena?
I don't subscribe to the supranatural. Nor do I see it in the Bible...
do you?
The word is "supernatural". Be sure to look it up.
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--Bryan
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| User: "=?Windows-1252?B?fiBT5GJs6yB+?=" |
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28 Sep 2006 04:13:34 PM |
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"Bryan Olson" <fakeaddress@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:bDWSg.5$NE6.2@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
Rekur Van wrote:
Bobby Bryant wrote:
What facts do we have regarding supernatural phenomena?
I don't subscribe to the supranatural. Nor do I see it in the Bible... do
you?
The word is "supernatural". Be sure to look it up.
The Jehovah's Witness creationists think curing leprosy with pigeon blood,
talking snakes and asses, sticks that turn in to snakes, pregnant virgins,
men walking on water and bringing the decomposing dead back to life etc. are
perfectly natural happenings.
SA........
----- Original Message From Antonio L Santana -----
Threat of a planed murder by Jabriol?
Message-ID: <5fOlf.8557$567.1252@trnddc01>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.206.54
From: "JABRIOL" Antonio L. Santana
And it will not stop until she is
dead. Which will be in short order.
*Let us judge the TREE (WTS) by the
FRUIT (JWs) it produces.*
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
28 Sep 2006 05:00:52 PM |
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~ Säblë ~ wrote:
The Jehovah's Witness creationists think curing leprosy with pigeon
blood, talking snakes and asses, sticks that turn in to snakes, pregnant
virgins, men walking on water and bringing the decomposing dead back to
life etc. are perfectly natural happenings.
~ Säblë ~ is Carolyn Gulley. ARJW court jester and all around kook. She
upset because her husband downloads porn. And will ramble anything for
attention. You should see the post where she claims she hanged around
JW's for 20 years, so Armageddon won't kill her. Like If JW's were some
sort of good luck charm.
Before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health NG
do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details.
Here is a sample:
Subject: Re: Exposing Carol/Yarrow/Windsong for the liar she is
Date: 1999/10/26
Message-ID: <3815B28D.231FA371@spamthis.mpinet.net>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 540766536
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References: <lHdR3.1699$JD1.103364@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>
X-Accept-Language: en
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Complaints-To:
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Reply-To: "remove \"spam this\""
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Webmaster wrote:
Well.. A Fox has a very defined purpose on this NG.. Well, it seems
now I do
too. I'm now going to go full time in exposing Carol/Yarrow/whoverthehell
she is as the fraud & liar she is. My number one example is this exchange
over her honesty & using a stable email address on this newsgroup. I
would
like to hear comments both good and bad, here on the group, or feel
free to
email them to me (removing the "nospam." from my address)
Regards,
A
well, herbie took her on (exposing her propensity for falsehood) and if
i am not
mistaken HE is the one she started accusing of "stalking"...somewhere he
compiled a nice little list of some of her "handles" that she favors.
as for gwen's opinion, i think that she is missing the point. yes,
although this
is an unmoderated forum and we are all free to do/say/act
whatever/however, most
people still like to abide by some type of netiquette. carol is known as
a bit
of a nuisance poster, sort of like when children/teens get involved in
internet discussions for no reason other than to satisfy their own need
to grab
attention and be annoying. so the point here is not that she should NOT
use fake
names, just that she should NOT keep changing them. her persistent
excuse for
doing this used to be "oh, i dont want to get spammed". only we all know
that
the only way to not get spammed is to have a fake email address. which she
already knows and uses. having a gazillion fake names wont make a bit of a
difference. all it DOES is keep her posts from getting ignored as much as we
would like. (and obviously isnt concerned about changing her identitiy
as her
posts remain in her usual "format" and she still signs her name to them
(carol)
and adds her quackwatch plug on everyone.) so the issue here is, i suppose,
netiquette--or lack of it.
it has been said to carol by many different posters on many different
occassions
that they no longer wish to waste their time with her and so are going
to put
her in their filter to delete/ignore her posts. it would appear to be
THAT is
the only reason she changes her name, and is what this poster is calling
her on.
to "webmaster", i know it sucks when she changes her name and we get
suckered
into reading some more of her drivel, but to spend any more of your time and
energy trying to get her to stop will probably just egg her on,
unfortunately.
for someone who is (supposedly) as old she is (60-something?) she is
having a
grand ole time acting like a petulant teenager. i guess we just have to
do our
best to keep trying to ignore her.......
takes all kinds, i guess.
"When you have gained a victory, do not push it too far; 'tis sufficient
to let
the company and your adversary see 'tis in your power but that you are too
generous to make use of it." Eustace Budgell
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| User: "Ira Y. Palmer" |
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29 Sep 2006 02:15:06 AM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:oCXSg.7057$Kw1.6918@trnddc05...
is sociopth Antonio L Santana aka Jabriol, Jehovah's Witness net stalker of
TN family.
Antonio L. Santana aka Jabriol resides at:
1064 Everett Street, Camden, NJ, (856) 968-0004
He and Norma attend the Spanish Speaking congragation
of Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ
Here's the proof you want your victim Carol DEAD Antonio!
----- Original Message --- one of many similar messages:
From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana
news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
youre doomed.. you know it.
Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her)
(*Mr Santana then provides his victim's name, address and phone number to
anyone interested in his offer)
Call the FBI and the Police Antonio. Do it now and explain your endless
harassment, stalking, slander, threats, posting your victims PI on Usenet
and more.
You have no excuse Antonio, here's the numbers to call to report all the
murders, child-porn and prostitution you've accused this family of:
FBI Memphis
Suite 3000, Eagle Crest Bldg.
225 North Humphreys Blvd.
Memphis, Tennessee 38120-2107
memphis.fbi.gov
(901) 747-4300
Murfreesboro Police-Detectives
302 S Church St,
Murfreesboro, 37130
(615) 893-2717
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| User: "Xavier Harkonnen" |
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29 Sep 2006 06:23:24 AM |
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This has nothing to do with the thread.
Welcome to the kill file
Ira Y. Palmer wrote:
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:oCXSg.7057$Kw1.6918@trnddc05...
is sociopth Antonio L Santana aka Jabriol, Jehovah's Witness net stalker of
TN family.
Antonio L. Santana aka Jabriol resides at:
1064 Everett Street, Camden, NJ, (856) 968-0004
He and Norma attend the Spanish Speaking congragation
of Jehovahs Witnesses in Camden NJ
Here's the proof you want your victim Carol DEAD Antonio!
----- Original Message --- one of many similar messages:
From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana
news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
youre doomed.. you know it.
Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her)
(*Mr Santana then provides his victim's name, address and phone number to
anyone interested in his offer)
Call the FBI and the Police Antonio. Do it now and explain your endless
harassment, stalking, slander, threats, posting your victims PI on Usenet
and more.
You have no excuse Antonio, here's the numbers to call to report all the
murders, child-porn and prostitution you've accused this family of:
FBI Memphis
Suite 3000, Eagle Crest Bldg.
225 North Humphreys Blvd.
Memphis, Tennessee 38120-2107
memphis.fbi.gov
(901) 747-4300
Murfreesboro Police-Detectives
302 S Church St,
Murfreesboro, 37130
(615) 893-2717
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| User: "Warren McLaughlin" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? Murder? |
29 Sep 2006 03:49:08 PM |
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"Xavier Harkonnen" <GeidiPrime@gamu.org> wrote in message
news:Mm7Tg.10775$KK.5741@trnddc08...
is Antonio L Santana aka JABRIOL, the obsessed, sexually perverted nym
shifting Jehovahs Witness above, slandering, harassing and net-stalking the
Gully family is:
Antonio L. (and Norma) Santana
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ (856) 968-0004
Members of the Spanish Speaking congragation of Jehovahs Witnesses
in Camden NJ.
Jabriol/Antonio L Santana hates everyone because he was
born so disadvantaged and lives in one of the worst slums on the Eastern
Seaboard. He blames all his problems, both family, financial and health on
his victims in TN so slanders them in his pitiful attempt to bring them down
to his
gutter level.
Does Antonio aka jabriol lie?
Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1155590460.025021.256620@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
More Jabriol a.k.a BullDozer (100s of nyms) is
Antonio L Santana (Jehovahs Witness from ARJW)
More Antonio embarrassment can be seen at:
(Antonio L Santana a.k.a Jabriol Lies Series #1
http://tinyurl.com/2w7u9
Jabriol Lies Series #2
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rl
Jabriol Lies Series #3
http://tinyurl.com/27cvs
Jabriol Lies Series #4
http://tinyurl.com/33zrt
Jabriol Lies Series #5
http://tinyurl.com/2t944
Jabriol Lies Series #6
http://tinyurl.com/3776p
Jabriol Lies Series #7
http://tinyurl.com/82da6
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| User: "P. Perez" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
28 Sep 2006 06:24:40 PM |
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"Rekur Van" is Antonio L Santana aka jabriol, sociopathic Jehovahs Witness
<Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message news:oCXSg.7057$Kw1.6918@trnddc05...
SNIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who you planning to murder here Antonio? Your victim Carol?
----- Original Message From Antonio L Santana aka Rekur Van-----
Threat of a planed murder by Jabriol?
Message-ID: <5fOlf.8557$567.1252@trnddc01>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.206.54
From: "JABRIOL" Antonio L. Santana
And it will not stop until she is
dead. Which will be in short order.
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
28 Sep 2006 04:49:13 PM |
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Bryan Olson wrote:
Rekur Van wrote:
Bobby Bryant wrote:
What facts do we have regarding supernatural phenomena?
I don't subscribe to the supranatural. Nor do I see it in the Bible...
do you?
The word is "supernatural". Be sure to look it up.
Same difference, spell check didn't care and it is still bogus. Still
not in the Bible.
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| User: "Bryan Olson" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
28 Sep 2006 07:44:29 PM |
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Rekur Van wrote:
Bryan Olson wrote:
Rekur Van wrote:
Bobby Bryant wrote:
What facts do we have regarding supernatural phenomena?
I don't subscribe to the supranatural. Nor do I see it in the
Bible... do you?
The word is "supernatural". Be sure to look it up.
Same difference, spell check didn't care and it is still bogus.
The difference is that any decent English dictionary can
tell you what "supernatural" means.
Still not in the Bible.
Looking it up should disabuse you of that notion.
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--Bryan
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 12:06:05 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:13:29 GMT, Rekur Van <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We’re
not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the
whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth,
"Religious truth" is kind of like "jumbo shrimp" or "military
intelligence", isn't it, Jabbers?
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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27 Sep 2006 09:05:39 AM |
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Rekur Van wrote:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We’re
not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the
whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth,
"Religious truth"? Is that similar to "Creationist Science", "Informed Creationist" or
"Windows Security"?
<snip blather>
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 09:19:51 AM |
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SeppoP wrote:
Rekur Van wrote:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will
be no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that
we are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things.
We’re not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal
point where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we
understand the whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth,
"Religious truth"? Is that similar to "Creationist Science", "Informed
Creationist" or
"Windows Security"?
Nope
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 09:41:02 AM |
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Rekur Van wrote:
SeppoP wrote:
Rekur Van wrote:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will
be no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that
we are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things.
We’re not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal
point where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we
understand the whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth,
"Religious truth"? Is that similar to "Creationist Science", "Informed
Creationist" or
"Windows Security"?
Nope
Nice of you to confirm that "Creationist Science", "Informed Creationist" and "Windows Security" belong to the same
category.
The crucial difference to the above wrt. "religious truth" would be?
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "Bryan Olson" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
27 Sep 2006 09:00:22 AM |
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Rekur Van wrote:
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We’re
not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the
whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Evan as what we know about the natural world continues to grow
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth, the reach is boundless.
While the amount actual knowledge attained by religion remains bupkis.
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--Bryan
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