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"Rekur Van" |
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27 Sep 2006 11:13:29 AM |
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TOBS: Science and Religion: Limits? |
No end is in sight in our quest for answers about the infinite
universe, space, and time. Biologist Lewis Thomas noted: “There will be
no end to this process, being the insatiably curious species that we
are, exploring, looking around and trying to understand things. We’re
not ever going to get it solved. I can’t imagine any terminal point
where everyone will breathe a sigh and will say, ‘Now we understand the
whole thing.’ It’s going to remain beyond us.”
Similarly, when it comes to religious truth, the reach is boundless. One
of the Bible writers, Paul, stated: “Now we see only puzzling
reflections in a mirror . . . My knowledge now is
partial.”—1 Corinthians 13:12, The New English Bible.
Partial knowledge concerning both scientific and religious questions,
however, does not prevent us from reaching sound conclusions based on
the facts we have. We don’t need a detailed knowledge of the origin of
the sun in order to be absolutely sure that it is going to rise tomorrow.
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion:Faith, not credulity |
27 Sep 2006 11:22:43 AM |
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The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion:Faith, not credulity |
27 Sep 2006 12:56:25 PM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
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The Bible provides us with knowledge of God
Which god? Where's the evidence that it exists?
and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The Bible
itself invites us to test its accuracy.
And boy, does it fail the test. Cure leprosy with pigeon blood lately?
Moved any moutains with prayer?
Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity.
Sorry, but there's none of that in the bible.
By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of God.
Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
What a crock.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Henry Mankinna" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion:Faith, not credulity |
28 Sep 2006 03:38:18 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:4nvag8FbtrflU1@individual.net...
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
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The Bible provides us with knowledge of God
Which god? Where's the evidence that it exists?
You're replying to JABRIOL who illegally copies information from Watchtower
literature and posts it here to get time on his time-card. This keeps him
from having to have doors slammed in his face. It also brings a response
from those who would ignore him.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion:Faith, not credulity |
28 Sep 2006 04:22:41 PM |
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"Henry Mankinna" <mankinna93@gmail.com> wrote in
news:efgq9d$129i$1@registered.motzarella.org:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:4nvag8FbtrflU1@individual.net...
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01...
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God
Which god? Where's the evidence that it exists?
You're replying to JABRIOL who illegally copies information from
Watchtower literature and posts it here to get time on his time-card.
This keeps him from having to have doors slammed in his face. It also
brings a response from those who would ignore him.
Would or should ignore him?
Thanks for the info; another nutter to ignore! Newbies need posts such
as yours.
Thanks again.
Pangur
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion:Faith, not credulity |
27 Sep 2006 02:54:09 PM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01...
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that cannot
be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The Bible itself
invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical authenticity, its
practicality, the candor of its writers, and its integrity. By
investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including statements of a
scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the unerring fulfillment of
hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and into our present day, one
can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of God. Faith in the Bible is not
credulity but a proven confidence in the accuracy of Scriptural
statements.
The church claimed origin of the New Testament being as early as 65 AD is
quite apparently a falsification.
According to Tony Busby there are NO legitimate historic writings compiled
between the first and fourth centuries that contain any reference to Jesus
Christ or the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Many historians have
wondered at such an unaccountable
omission of what were considered the greatest events of church history.
The period was rich in prolific writers like Pliny The Elder, Pliny The
Younger, Philo, Flavious Josephus, Cornelius, Titus, Livious, Porphyry,
Plutarch, Lucious Seneca, Jewenal, Justice of Tiberius, Epictectus, Tacitus,
Suetonius, Cluvious Rufus, Quintas Curtis Rufus and Roman council Publius
Petronius, who lived in the area at the claimed time of the life of Jesus.
Those scribes wrote about early religious beliefs but never mentioned Jesus.
The single mention of Jesus in the prolific writings of Flavious Josephus is
considered by most scholars as a later church forgery.
People think the Bibles are consistent and accurate history. Nothing could
be further from the truth. The Bibles were dramatically different in various
ages.
In a simple comparison of canonical writing over the centuries from shortly
after the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD to the decree of the Council of Trent
in 1546 AD, twenty one books were added and ten were deleted from the
‘official’ canon.
In that stage of history, before the invention of the printing press, the
transmission of the Bibles was characterized by huge variations in the
readings of the Gospels running into the thousands. The author of the book
‘Genuineness and Authenticity of the Gospels’, by B. A. Hinsdale felt
compelled to stress that, ‘There are 150,000 various readings of the New
Testament manuscripts alone, the majority of which must be corruptions since
there can only be ‘one original’ for any given passage.
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| User: "Ken Kellerman" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion:Faith, not credulity |
28 Sep 2006 03:17:53 AM |
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"Rekur Van" is Antonio Santana aka jabriol known net-stalker and
sociopath<Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana. It seems Carol is really
Norma I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
From: Vance Liscomb <Vance_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction)
In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta
(born
September
1959) and his address is:
Antonio L. Santana (JABRIOL)
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ
(856) 968-0004
His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey
Hospital.
http://terraserver-
usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2454&Y=22098&W=1&qs=1064+Eve
rett+Street%7ccamden%
7cnew+jersey%7c&Addr=1064+Everett+St%2c+Camden%2c+NJ+08104&ALon=-
75.1075127&ALat=39.9275305
There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
1584 S 8th St
Camden, NJ 08104-1469
(856) 365-0065
417 Walnut St
Camden, NJ 08103-2033
(856) 365-4457
Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more
than one
congregation using the same KH.
I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness, so you might want to
ask for Norma
Santana as well when you call.
I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
856-964-6712
A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
where
Antonio lives.
It's possible that the information that you've been posting about Antonio
has
been wrong all along.
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science and Religion:Faith, not credulity |
27 Sep 2006 02:49:49 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:22:43 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01> wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
Does leprosy come from burns? Any contagious diseases at all from
burns?
Was there a global Flood?
Is the sky like a tent?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Ips-Switch" |
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28 Sep 2006 03:40:06 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:7r3lh2dr3h58b0ti4gjjgo5r890nvc9dc6@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:22:43 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01> wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
Does leprosy come from burns? Any contagious diseases at all from
burns?
Was there a global Flood?
Is the sky like a tent?
It's just more illegal copy and paste from the Watchtower magazines. It's a
way to get suckers to read the Watchtower bullcrap.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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27 Sep 2006 03:36:51 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:22:43 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01> wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
Does leprosy come from burns? Any contagious diseases at all from
burns?
In the Scriptures “leprosy” is not restricted to the disease known by
that name today, for it could affect not only humans but also clothing
and houses. (Le 14:55) Are you being literal again?
Is the sky like a tent?
Does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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28 Sep 2006 04:31:17 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:36:51 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <nUwSg.10182$Wi1.2736@trnddc06> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:22:43 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01> wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
Does leprosy come from burns? Any contagious diseases at all from
burns?
In the Scriptures “leprosy” is not restricted to the disease known by
that name today, for it could affect not only humans but also clothing
and houses. (Le 14:55) Are you being literal again?
Did you notice I wrote "any contagious diseases"? I agree that leprosy
qua the Bible is not (necessarily) Hansen's Disease. But they clearly
are talking about something contagious that comes from burns,
particular burns with a white hair. I am open to the idea that the
passages in question are not what they seem, but It is not obvious.
Is the sky like a tent?
Does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?
That is a vestige in our language from when people did think that the
Sun went around the Earth. 1,000 years ago people did think that the
Sun moved. Today "sun set" does not mean the Sun moving, but it seems
like that because our knowledge has changed. The same does not apply
to 2,500 years ago.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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28 Sep 2006 05:00:37 PM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:36:51 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <nUwSg.10182$Wi1.2736@trnddc06> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:22:43 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01> wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
Does leprosy come from burns? Any contagious diseases at all from
burns?
In the Scriptures “leprosy” is not restricted to the disease known by
that name today, for it could affect not only humans but also clothing
and houses. (Le 14:55) Are you being literal again?
Did you notice I wrote "any contagious diseases"? I agree that leprosy
qua the Bible is not (necessarily) Hansen's Disease. But they clearly
are talking about something contagious that comes from burns,
particular burns with a white hair. I am open to the idea that the
passages in question are not what they seem, but It is not obvious.
How many plagues has hit humanity for a period of time, and we don't
have a clue? It could be that the Israelites associated burns with with
certain infectious diseases unknown to us. And what would they calling
"burns"? sunburn? freezerburn, windburn ,diaperburn? That fact is they
were there and we were not. They took preventive action to avoid their
tribes from being exterminated. It was not to long ago that Malaria was
thought be carried by Air and Wind. Action was taken to fight it, even
though it origin was mistaken.
Is the sky like a tent?
Does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?
That is a vestige in our language from when people did think that the
Sun went around the Earth. 1,000 years ago people did think that the
Sun moved. Today "sun set" does not mean the Sun moving, but it seems
like that because our knowledge has changed. The same does not apply
to 2,500 years ago.
Of course it does. Language is unique with people. Example, why do the
Chinese refer to them selves as the people of the middle kingdom?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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28 Sep 2006 09:54:36 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:00:37 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <VcTSg.12920$2G1.4551@trnddc07> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:36:51 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <nUwSg.10182$Wi1.2736@trnddc06> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:22:43 GMT, in alt.atheism , Rekur Van
<Diebuster@gun.org> in <7atSg.11786$Vk4.11679@trnddc01> wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
Does leprosy come from burns? Any contagious diseases at all from
burns?
In the Scriptures “leprosy” is not restricted to the disease known by
that name today, for it could affect not only humans but also clothing
and houses. (Le 14:55) Are you being literal again?
Did you notice I wrote "any contagious diseases"? I agree that leprosy
qua the Bible is not (necessarily) Hansen's Disease. But they clearly
are talking about something contagious that comes from burns,
particular burns with a white hair. I am open to the idea that the
passages in question are not what they seem, but It is not obvious.
How many plagues has hit humanity for a period of time, and we don't
have a clue?
Wrong question. How many people have had severe burns and not shown an
infectious disease as a result? More to the point, why are you looking
for science lessons in the Bible?
It could be that the Israelites associated burns with with
certain infectious diseases unknown to us.
Or confused gangrene and other such diseases with an infectious
disease.
And what would they calling
"burns"? sunburn? freezerburn, windburn ,diaperburn?
From the description, none of those.
That fact is they
were there and we were not. They took preventive action to avoid their
tribes from being exterminated. It was not to long ago that Malaria was
thought be carried by Air and Wind. Action was taken to fight it, even
though it origin was mistaken.
Is the sky like a tent?
Does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?
That is a vestige in our language from when people did think that the
Sun went around the Earth. 1,000 years ago people did think that the
Sun moved. Today "sun set" does not mean the Sun moving, but it seems
like that because our knowledge has changed. The same does not apply
to 2,500 years ago.
Of course it does. Language is unique with people. Example, why do the
Chinese refer to them selves as the people of the middle kingdom?
Like a said, a false cosmology.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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27 Sep 2006 11:37:10 AM |
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Rekur Van wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
So why does the Bible say the Earth does not move? Which explanation is
more plausible -- that god made a mistake or that the primitive people
who wrote the Bible thought the Earth didn't move?
DS
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| User: "" |
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27 Sep 2006 12:43:46 PM |
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David Schwartz wrote:
Rekur Van wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
So why does the Bible say the Earth does not move? Which explanation is
more plausible -- that god made a mistake or that the primitive people
who wrote the Bible thought the Earth didn't move?
DS
The Bible is not meant to be a science manual.
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| User: "Ken Kellerman" |
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28 Sep 2006 03:13:40 AM |
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<javriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159361026.206171.15490@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
From: Vance Liscomb <Vance_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction)
In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta
(born
September
1959) and his address is:
Antonio L. Santana (JABRIOL)
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ
(856) 968-0004
His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey
Hospital.
http://terraserver-
usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2454&Y=22098&W=1&qs=1064+Eve
rett+Street%7ccamden%
7cnew+jersey%7c&Addr=1064+Everett+St%2c+Camden%2c+NJ+08104&ALon=-
75.1075127&ALat=39.9275305
There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
1584 S 8th St
Camden, NJ 08104-1469
(856) 365-0065
417 Walnut St
Camden, NJ 08103-2033
(856) 365-4457
Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more
than one
congregation using the same KH.
I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness, so you might want to
ask for Norma
Santana as well when you call.
I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
856-964-6712
A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
where
Antonio lives.
It's possible that the information that you've been posting about Antonio
has
been wrong all along.
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com
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| User: "Bill M" |
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27 Sep 2006 02:55:52 PM |
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<javriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159361026.206171.15490@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
David Schwartz wrote:
Rekur Van wrote:
The Bible provides us with knowledge of God and his purposes that
cannot be gleaned from any other source. Why should we trust it? The
Bible itself invites us to test its accuracy. Consider its historical
authenticity, its practicality, the candor of its writers, and its
integrity. By investigating the accuracy of the Bible, including
statements of a scientific nature and, even more convincingly, the
unerring fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies throughout the ages and
into our present day, one can acquire firm faith in it as the Word of
God. Faith in the Bible is not credulity but a proven confidence in the
accuracy of Scriptural statements.
So why does the Bible say the Earth does not move? Which explanation is
more plausible -- that god made a mistake or that the primitive people
who wrote the Bible thought the Earth didn't move?
DS
The Bible is not meant to be a science manual.
Know it is myths and fables like Aesop's Fables and The Wizard of OZ!
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:nhwSg.39966$vX5.21654@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
<javriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
So why does the Bible say the Earth does not move? Which explanation is
more plausible -- that god made a mistake or that the primitive people
who wrote the Bible thought the Earth didn't move?
DS
The Bible is not meant to be a science manual.
Know it is myths and fables like Aesop's Fables and The Wizard of OZ!
Along with all the horror stories of the main character called Jehovah
killing people, including children, in many different ways. Kinda like a
Stephen King horror novel.
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SA.......
What the world needs is not dogma but an attitude of scientific
inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is
not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined
in the likeness of the believer. ~ Bertrand Russell ~
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27 Sep 2006 11:19:29 AM |
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In the quest for answers, we need to be guided by sound principles.
Unless we stick to the highest standards of evidence, we can easily be
misled in our search for scientific and religious truth. Realistically,
none of us can begin to evaluate all scientific knowledge and ideas,
which today fill huge libraries. On the other hand, the Bible provides
a manageable compendium of spiritual teachings for our consideration.
The Bible is well supported by known facts.
However, concerning knowledge in general, earnest effort is required to
distinguish between fact and speculation, between reality and
deception-in both science and religion. As the Bible writer Paul
advised, we need to reject "the contradictions of the falsely called
'knowledge.'" (1 Timothy 6:20) To reconcile science and the
Bible, we must let the facts speak for themselves, thereby avoiding
conjecture and speculation, and examine how each fact supports and adds
to the other.
For example, when we understand that the Bible uses the term "day"
to represent various periods of time, we see that the account of the
six creative days in Genesis need not conflict with the scientific
conclusion that the age of the earth is about four and a half billion
years. According to the Bible, the earth existed for an unstated period
before the creative days began. (Even if science corrects itself and
suggests a different age for our planet, the statements made in the
Bible still hold true. Instead of contradicting the Bible, science in
this and many other cases actually provides us with voluminous
supplemental information about the physical world, both present and
past.
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27 Sep 2006 11:26:49 AM |
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Jehovah’s Witnesses invite open-minded people, both scientific and
religious, to share in a sincere quest for truth in both realms. In
their congregations the Witnesses nurture a healthy respect for science
and its proven findings as well as a profound belief that religious
truth can be found only in the Bible, which forthrightly and with
abundant evidence declares itself to be the Word of God. The apostle
Paul stated: “When you received God’s word, which you heard from us, you
accepted it, not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as
the word of God.”—1 Thessalonians 2:13.
Of course, as with science, damaging falsehoods and practices have
infiltrated religion. Thus, there is true religion and false religion.
That is why many people have left organized, mainstream religion to
become members of the Christian congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
They have been disappointed by the unwillingness of their previous
religions to disavow human tradition and myth in favor of discovered or
revealed truth.
What is more, true Christians find real meaning and purpose in life,
based on an intimate knowledge of the Creator, as he is revealed in the
Bible, and of his expressed intentions for humankind and the planet we
live on. Jehovah’s Witnesses have been satisfied with reasonable,
Bible-based answers to such questions as, Why are we here? Where are we
going? They would be more than glad to share these insights with you.
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28 Sep 2006 03:14:11 AM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:ZdtSg.11800$Vk4.3206@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
From: Vance Liscomb <Vance_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction)
In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta
(born
September
1959) and his address is:
Antonio L. Santana (JABRIOL)
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ
(856) 968-0004
His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey
Hospital.
http://terraserver-
usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2454&Y=22098&W=1&qs=1064+Eve
rett+Street%7ccamden%
7cnew+jersey%7c&Addr=1064+Everett+St%2c+Camden%2c+NJ+08104&ALon=-
75.1075127&ALat=39.9275305
There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
1584 S 8th St
Camden, NJ 08104-1469
(856) 365-0065
417 Walnut St
Camden, NJ 08103-2033
(856) 365-4457
Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more
than one
congregation using the same KH.
I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness, so you might want to
ask for Norma
Santana as well when you call.
I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
856-964-6712
A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
where
Antonio lives.
It's possible that the information that you've been posting about Antonio
has
been wrong all along.
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com
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28 Sep 2006 07:56:32 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:11 -0500, "Ken Kellerman" <kk3402@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <k%GSg.41321$vX5.20942@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:ZdtSg.11800$Vk4.3206@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
:
So, is this appalling liar "Rekur Van", another toxic Jabriol
sock-puppet?
It figures.
No one else could be so viciously abusive of reality or truth.
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28 Sep 2006 06:02:27 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:rtvmh2d8s66e3ft6qiuf375qj3udbj6qv2@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:11 -0500, "Ken Kellerman" <kk3402@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <k%GSg.41321$vX5.20942@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:ZdtSg.11800$Vk4.3206@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really
Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
:
So, is this appalling liar "Rekur Van", another toxic Jabriol
sock-puppet?
Yes!!!!!!!!!! He is indeed Antonio Santana aka JABRIOL the known net
stalker of the Gully family in TN. Antonio has been nym-shifting since
being reported to the Camden NJ PD for harassing and slandering his victims.
It figures.
No one else could be so viciously abusive of reality or truth.
And he does it in the name of Jehovah, he claims....................
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28 Sep 2006 10:42:46 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:02:27 -0500, "Charlie Brown"
<c_brown442@hotmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <30USg.39178$KR1.20907@bignews2.bellsouth.net>
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:rtvmh2d8s66e3ft6qiuf375qj3udbj6qv2@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:11 -0500, "Ken Kellerman" <kk3402@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <k%GSg.41321$vX5.20942@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:ZdtSg.11800$Vk4.3206@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really
Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
:
So, is this appalling liar "Rekur Van", another toxic Jabriol
sock-puppet?
Yes!!!!!!!!!! He is indeed Antonio Santana aka JABRIOL the known net
stalker of the Gully family in TN. Antonio has been nym-shifting since
being reported to the Camden NJ PD for harassing and slandering his victims.
I thought I could smell his stink in the venemous anti-reality tone.
It figures.
No one else could be so viciously abusive of reality or truth.
And he does it in the name of Jehovah, he claims....................
All for a non-existent fairy-tale violent monster.
How very sane.
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28 Sep 2006 06:56:45 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:rtvmh2d8s66e3ft6qiuf375qj3udbj6qv2@4ax.com...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:11 -0500, "Ken Kellerman" <kk3402@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <k%GSg.41321$vX5.20942@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:ZdtSg.11800$Vk4.3206@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really
Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
:
So, is this appalling liar "Rekur Van", another toxic Jabriol
sock-puppet?
It figures.
No one else could be so viciously abusive of reality or truth.
Yes, he's the toxic jabriol who is harassing, net stalking, threatening
death to and slandering the Gully family in TN. He's a known sociopath and
soulless reprobate across many NGs.
IW.......
Death threats from Antonio L Santana, a Jehovah's Witness from Camden NJ.
----- Original Message From Antonio L Santana/Jabriol -----
Message-ID: <5fOlf.8557$567.1252@trnddc01>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.206.54
From: "JABRIOL" Antonio L. Santana/Jehovah's Witness
And it will not stop until she is
dead. Which will be in short order.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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28 Sep 2006 01:30:13 PM |
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To Carol every one is Jabriol
Michael Gray wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:11 -0500, "Ken Kellerman" <kk3402@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <k%GSg.41321$vX5.20942@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:ZdtSg.11800$Vk4.3206@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
:
So, is this appalling liar "Rekur Van", another toxic Jabriol
sock-puppet?
It figures.
No one else could be so viciously abusive of reality or truth.
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28 Sep 2006 10:03:02 PM |
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"Tekkamen" IS JABRIOL <javriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159450213.194986.181120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
To Carol every one is Jabriol
And to YOU jabriol everyone of your socks is your victim Carol.
Michael Gray wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:14:11 -0500, "Ken Kellerman" <kk3402@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <k%GSg.41321$vX5.20942@bignews8.bellsouth.net>
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:ZdtSg.11800$Vk4.3206@trnddc01...
You forget to add this one Antonio L Santana? It seems Carol is really
Norma
I. Santana, your own wife!!!!!!!!!!!! Your ISP is Verizon.net.
:
So, is this appalling liar "Rekur Van", another toxic Jabriol
sock-puppet?
It figures.
No one else could be so viciously abusive of reality or truth.
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29 Sep 2006 01:04:46 AM |
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Röberta Märie Fernändez wrote:
"Tekkamen" IS JABRIOL <javriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159450213.194986.181120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
To Carol every one is Jabriol
And to YOU jabriol everyone of your socks is your victim Carol.
The "victim" Carol was posting under:
~ Säblë ~ <Sable666@gmail.com>
Henry Mankinna<myhusbandporn@addict>
Ironweed <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Ira Y. Palmer <watching@watchtowers.net>
Ken Kellerman <kk3402@gmail.com>
RMFern251@hotmale.com
Among previous sock such as:
"Wëndãlen"<****@****.***>
Charlië <inva...@invalid.invalid>
"Wendelina" <Wen...@Lina.org>
"Hayseed Henry" <nob...@displace.net>
"Jah Himself" <free...@usenets.net>
"Koi-Lo" <inva...@invalid.invalid>
"Mindy Brown" <free...@usenets.net>
"Jehovah's Voice" <free...@usenets.net>
"Mr. Henchelman" <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy X." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy A." <free...@usenets.net>
"Robunda S. Wiska" <inva...@Invalid.Invalid>
"Randy Z." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy Q." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy V." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy K." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy M." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy C." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy B." <free...@usenets.net>
"Randy R." <free...@usenets.net>
"Ann Landers" <free...@usenets.net>
"SlammerDeSlanderers" <free...@usenets.net>
"Kidiva DeKevo" <kidiva...@kevlo.org>
"SlammerDunker" <free...@usenets.net>
"Kavorkian's Wife" <free...@usenets.net>
"Lario" <free...@usenets.net>
"Distant Belles" <free...@usenets.net>
"H.B. Huntington Sr." <n...@none.none>
"Jehovah Speaks"
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29 Sep 2006 01:08:45 AM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> is Jabriol aka the net-stalking Jehovahs
Witness Antonio L Santana. What they say about this stalker.
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:s4e2e2t1snlmdnf3ip60329mq2qrgbqa2j@4ax.com...
On 14 Aug 2006 17:50:21 -0700, "BullDozer" <geister@mailinator.com>
wrote: (BS snipped)
***** off and die, Jabbers.
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:cmu9g2p1511lsfjgrtoho90tudvbp07hkm@4ax.com...
<Ilumantius@Iknowmore.net>JABRIOL wrote: snip bs
Anyone who trusts jabriol to tell the truth is clinically brain-dead.
"Ilumantius@Iknowmore.net" gets added to the bulging killfile reserved
for this criminally insane fuckwit.
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:0krrc2phl2vuoubi0pg5tsn9d66uio7nf2@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:23:31 GMT, JaBrioL <Jabriol@mailinator.com>
wrote:
And many others, influenced by evolution, turn to atheism and agnosticism.
Do you identify with any of these people and how they feel about religion?
*****, Jabriol. Yet again.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:9jjsc2pfftrg2hm4u4127s2dfipjnqp01i@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:13:00 GMT, Blockade JABRIOL/Antonio L
Santana/Gantz/Blak<slash@neck.net> wrote:
As you can see Carol really doesn't bring any sort of intelligence to any
thread.
STFU, Jabbers.
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"FaceDancer" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:44fb7ca0$0$8151$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com...
Jabriol-Green wrote:
She doesn't know.
Well then. She is a moron. Oh by the way,
Jabriol; you are still a moron.
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Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:4j68quF6faaqU1@individual.net...
"JaBrioL" <Jabriol@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:TKlzg.6208$oz.2770@trnddc07...
turn to atheism and agnosticism.
Do you identify with any of these people and how they feel about
religion?
No, Jabbers, I don't.
Now, get back into my killfile for the ten millionth freaking time :P
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:wngzg.140562$H71.52848@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
johac wrote:
In article <44cd6e1d$0$15895$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com>,
Thanks for the update. Jabbers is well known in these parts. Forging has
become all too. common. It's hard to imagine that anyone could be so
desperate for attention.
He's right up (or down) with "Pastor" Frank, "Richard Dawkins" and maybe
even Pastor Dave. We've definitely got our share. Must be the topics...
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"TimK" <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_mtDg.14755$9.6811@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
"HeatWave" <HeatWave@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:4atDg.5489$zc2.4299@trnddc06...
Learn some math.
You fucking idiot, that doesn't even make sense.
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9834572E6723E255229@130.133.1.4...
Jabriol-Violet <Jabriol-Violet@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:WyXKg.1652$m36.448@trnddc02:
your posting history claims you have been posting just from sept.
unless you are lying.
Says the nym-shifting sack of *****.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:e7dge2phdqr42ab5a3ebdjjvqovmqrh95r@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:29:22 GMT, wrote:
Go play on the Interstate, Jabbers.
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:mg18f2p03k770rrbe6vadt98nl2uhn8j8o@4ax.com...
I think he probably took the nym from the old Pete Townsend song 'Face
Dances', which, like his earlier 'Eminence Front', is about people who
pretend to be something they're not, in which case a 'FaceDancer'
would be a liar and/or a pretentious twit. A fitting nym for Jabbers.
<G>
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:c67df2tef1img6he8h1c8nv4534knc93qo@4ax.com...
Jesus H. Christ on a crutch!
Who do you have do pay/screw to get that terminal
fuckwit Jabbers to ignore you? What's the secret?
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:247ff25c4s7s97a86p8a07l64kkca4vn88@4ax.com...
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:41:38 GMT, JabriolJade
<JabriolJade@mailinator.com> wrote:
That simple. Just believe that everyone that posts with thunderbird is
Jabriol... ***** them off... Should be easy.
It is even wimpler than that, Pooh-Jabber.
Just plonk everyone who displays a negative IQ combined with a hatred
of everyone and everything and a sociopathic streak several
light-years wide.
That is a sure-fire method of blocking you, and ONLY you.
Now *****.
Again.
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"Hartley Patterson" <hpttrsn@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f63cc335fba285798982e@news.thundernews.com...
Jabriol-Green Jabriol-Green@mailinator.com:
I removed Talk.Origins from my reply. They have a content moderation
filter in effect against anything Jabriol related...
Newsgroups are separate for a good reason - their posters want to discuss
the subject in the title, though they might wander off topic themselves
they don't want outsiders stomping in and rudely interrupting them.
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1157372917.243861.263110@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
FaceDancer wrote:
You actually believe this? Prey tell, what are the name of these nation
who are governed by Theocracy.
Iran. Afghanistan before the Taleban was overthrown. The USA under
the Bush administration, although arguably it's equally governed by big
business.
Still waiting on you finding the guts to face me, "Face" Dancer in the
other thread from which you're running. Know the one I mean? Or shall
I embarrass you with a reference to it?
[rest of vacuous ***** snipped]
Budikka - Kicking Jabriol's dumb ***** for over two years.
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"Enkidu" <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns983496AAA6ED3255229@0.0.0.1...
Jabriol-Violet <Jabriol-Violet@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:bm%Kg.4556$ub5.1258@trnddc07:
your posting history claims you have been posting just from sept.
unless you are lying.
Says the nym-shifting sack of *****.
The only person who goes nuts and sys this is carol. Do you know
carol?
No. I've seen your sorry ***** far too often, though. Perhaps, if just
once you actually had a point, an original thought . . . no, that's too
much to ask. Nothing but plagerized Watchtower crap and incompetent
attempts to smear others, that's who you are, it's what you do. And you
know you are a lame sack of *****. That's why you have to nym-shift
several times a day.
Well, after a good *****, most people wipe and flush. You aren't even a
good *****. Down you go, buddy!
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
wrote in message news:5l9ag2hndfe064hhapjc19bmmd7r6tpoia@4ax.com...
Just being jabriol is penalty enough for him.
Imagine having to live inside that vile and poisonous brain.
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:XdydnW1LA_B6bZvYRVnysA@pipex.net...
Wonder how many of Jabber's sock puppets are included in the 144,000
destined for heaven?
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Jabriol gives usenet a fine WITNESS:
"Kenran Butoh Sai" is JABRIOL; a Jehovah's Witness<sai@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:BbmMg.1166$xr.100@trnddc03...
You left because you couldn't masturbate and screw women at 14?
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"Mike Anderson" <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
news:ee6kvl$n8c$2@news04.infoave.net...
Vance Liscomb wrote:
What exactly have I lied about?
Let's save some bandwidth and list the things you have NOT lied about:
1: ...............
Hmmm...I seem to be having problems coming up with even the first thing.
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:16:50 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Guess you were lying.
Not a difficult call in Vance's case.
I don't recall him ever having posted anything even vaguely resembling
truth or reality here.
He is a compulsive liar for YHWH.
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"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
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I expect nothing but double standards from this viciously ignorant JW
lying cretin.
Anything else would come as a shock!
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"Barspeed Beta version 4.0" <barspeed@tooscale.co.uk> wrote in message
news:19aSg.9152$Ij.3243@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Iblis Ginjo (JABRIOL) wrote: SNIP!
An idiot, trying to correct someone, who is already correct. Use spell
check moron (moanong). Come on over to alt.autos.mini , and I will kick
your *****.
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| User: "Ira Y. Palmer" |
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| Title: Re: JW on Science and Religion |
29 Sep 2006 06:26:15 AM |
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"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
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is Antonio L Santana aka Jabriol, Jehovah's Witness net stalker of TN
family.
Here's the proof you want your victim Carol DEAD Antonio!
----- Original Message --- one of many similar messages:
From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana
news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM message inciting murder:
youre doomed.. you know it.
Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. kill her)
(*Mr Santana then provides his victim's name, address and phone number to
anyone interested in his offer)
Call the FBI and the Police Antonio. Do it now and explain your endless
harassment, stalking, slander, threats, posting your victims PI on Usenet
and more.
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| User: "Rekur Van" |
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| Title: Re: JW on Science and Religion |
29 Sep 2006 09:39:31 AM |
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Ira Y. Palmer wrote:
"Rekur Van" <Diebuster@gun.org> wrote in message
news:Oi_Sg.18258$8O1.1665@trnddc04...
is Antonio L Santana aka Jabriol, Jehovah's Witness net stalker of TN
family.
Here's the proof you want your victim Carol DEAD Antonio!
Give the evidence to your Sheriff Dept Carol, they are waiting for your
call.
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