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TOBS: Science behind the Flood |
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
....One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during
the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation
of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the
voice of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to
say that the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of
Egyptian legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx
starts roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that
the Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be
heard in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even
have specific terms for it.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Science behind the Flood |
23 Sep 2006 01:48:02 PM |
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"JabriolStrategos" <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in message
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07...
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during the
Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation of
the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the voice
of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to say that
the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of Egyptian
legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx starts
roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that the
Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be heard
in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even have
specific terms for it.
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth. And
this was a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are 1.7
million KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This story is patently
impossible, using only materials and tools available to Noah, to build an
arch large enough to hold all these creatures, together with suitable
environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all separated so they
don't kill and eat each other. And then provide room and an environment for
many hundreds of millions of known species of insects, plants, molds etc. on
this planet?
2. In order to capture two (or seven) of each animal in the world, Noah
would have to travel the whole world and capture them. This is an
impossibility even with modern means of travel and transport much less
ancient ravel on foot and by donkey!
3. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
4. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
5. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
6. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
7. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as a greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Wizard of Oz, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth: men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1- The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 -Take with you
seven [a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of
every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 - and also seven of
every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive
throughout the earth. 4 - Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth
for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth
every living creature I have made."
6 - Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 - And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark
to escape the waters of the flood. 8 - Pairs of clean and unclean animals,
of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 - male and
female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 -
And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
This is patently ridiculous and impossible. How could they capture and load
over three million animals in a period of seven days???
11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 - And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 - On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together
with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 - They
had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock
according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground
according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with
wings. 15 - Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came
to Noah and entered the ark. 16 -The animals going in were male and female
of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 - For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 -The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 - They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [, 21 - Every living thing
that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the
creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 - Everything on dry
land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 -Every living
thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the
creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped
from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 - The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
This of course would have also killed all the vegetation on Earth!
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was "six hundred" years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 -And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 - But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 - The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 - and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 -The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first
day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
And what did they eat until all the vegetation recovered from the flood???
Genesis 9 God's Covenant with Noah
1 -Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 -The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 - "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 - And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat!
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Science behind the Flood |
23 Sep 2006 09:18:04 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"JabriolStrategos" <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in message
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07...
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during
the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation
of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the voice
of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to say that
the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of Egyptian
legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx starts
roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that the
Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be heard
in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even have
specific terms for it.
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE
to housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth.
And this was a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There are
1.7 million KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This story is
patently impossible, using only materials and tools available to Noah, to
build an arch large enough to hold all these creatures, together with
suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all
separated so they don't kill and eat each other. And then provide room and
an environment for many hundreds of millions of known species of insects,
plants, molds etc. on this planet?
Yeah. But it was a miracle, don't you know?
2. In order to capture two (or seven) of each animal in the world,
Noah would have to travel the whole world and capture them. This is an
impossibility even with modern means of travel and transport much less
ancient ravel on foot and by donkey!
Then how come Superman can fly?
3. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
They stopped having babies as a courtesy to THe LOrd.
4. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of
food and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to
survive. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate
would have gone extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of
feces? It must have been one stinking ship!
I'm sure it stank. But the Lord wroks in mysterious ways.
5. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months.
This would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
Manna.
6. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the
dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes
out again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree
survive the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly
wouldn't germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
It was a Holy thing the Lord sent back. Haven't you seen the pictures?
7. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as a greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Wizard of Oz, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Hey! It's blasphemy.
Genesis 6:6
<snipped>
Get a Bible.
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| User: "JabriolStrategos" |
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| Title: Re: Science behind the Flood |
23 Sep 2006 03:56:53 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
"JabriolStrategos" <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in message
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07...
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during the
Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation of
the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the voice
of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to say that
the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of Egyptian
legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx starts
roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that the
Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be heard
in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even have
specific terms for it.
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth.
Don't you believe in speciation? But lets talk about the Ark's capacity.
The ark (Heb., te·vah′; Gr., ki·bo·tos′) was a rectangular chestlike
vessel presumably having square corners and a flat bottom. It needed no
rounded bottom or sharp bow to cut rapidly through the water; it
required no steering; its only functions were to be watertight and to
stay afloat. A vessel so shaped is very stable, cannot be easily
capsized, and contains about one third more storage space than ships of
conventional design. There was a door provided in the side of the ark
for loading and unloading the cargo.
In size the ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high.
Conservatively calculating the cubit as 44.5 cm (17.5 in.) (some think
the ancient cubit was nearer 56 or 61 cm), the ark measured 133.5 m by
22.3 m by 13.4 m (437 ft 6 in. × 72 ft 11 in. × 43 ft 9 in.), less than
half the length of the ocean liner Queen Elizabeth 2. This proportion of
length to width (6 to 1) is used by modern naval architects. This gave
the ark approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) in gross volume. It
is estimated that such a vessel would have a displacement nearly equal
to that of the mighty 269-m (883 ft) Titanic of this 20th century. No
cargo vessel of ancient times even slightly resembled the ark in its
colossal size. Internally strengthened by adding two floors, the three
decks thus provided gave a total of about 8,900 sq m (96,000 sq ft) of
space.
“You will make a tso′har [roof; or, window] for the ark,” Noah was told.
(Ge 6:16) Just what this was or how it was constructed is not altogether
clear. Some scholars think tso′har is related to light and so they
translate it “window” (KJ, Mo), “light” (AS, JP), “a place for light”
(Ro). Others, however, associate tso′har with a later Arabic root
meaning “back (of the hand),” “back (of a beast),” “deck (of a ship),”
that is, the part away from the ground or water, and for this reason
translate it “roof.” (AT, RS, JB) This tso′har, Noah was told, was to be
completed “to the extent of a cubit upward.”—Ge 6:16.
It could be, therefore, that the tso′har provided for adequate light and
ventilation, not just a single cubit-square “peephole,” but an opening a
cubit in height near the roof and extending around the four sides to
give an opening of nearly 140 sq m (1,500 sq ft). On the other hand,
while still allowing an ample opening for ventilation under the roof or
elsewhere, the roof could have had slightly angled sides. Regarding this
possibility James F. Armstrong wrote in Vetus Testamentum (Leiden, 1960,
p. 333): “‘Unto a cubit upward you shall finish it’ is difficult to
understand when sohar is translated either ‘light (= window)’ or even
‘(flat) roof’. If, however, a gable-type roof be postulated, the ‘one
cubit upward’ can refer to the elevation of the crease of the roof above
the level of the tops of the walls. In modern architectural terms, the
‘one cubit’ would be the height of the kingposts between which the
ridgepiece is laid. . . . According to the argument that has been
presented, the roof of Noah’s ark was conceived as having a four
per-cent pitch (1 cubit elevation — 25 cubits from wall to ridge), quite
adequate to permit the water of the rains to flow off.”
2. In order to capture two (or seven) of each animal in the world, Noah
would have to travel the whole world and capture them. This is an
impossibility even with modern means of travel and transport much less
ancient ravel on foot and by donkey!
First you forget, that this event is supposed to be a divine event.
Surel God could directed the animals toward the Box, instead of Noah
capturing them. And Not every single species was needed.
3. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and
unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which
boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.”
It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species
of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family
“kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The
breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not
and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said
that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of
birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced
the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in
estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds”
were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known
today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following
the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall,
fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and
skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah.
These estimates may seem too restrictive to some, especially since such
sources as The Encyclopedia Americana indicate that there are upwards of
1,300,000 species of animals. (1977, Vol. 1, pp. 859-873) However, over
60 percent of these are insects. Breaking these figures down further, of
the 24,000 amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals, 10,000 are birds,
9,000 are reptiles and amphibians, many of which could have survived
outside the ark, and only 5,000 are mammals, including whales and
porpoises, which would have also remained outside the ark. Other
researchers estimate that there are only about 290 species of land
mammals larger than sheep and about 1,360 smaller than rats. (The Deluge
Story in Stone, by B. C. Nelson, 1949, p. 156; The Flood in the Light of
the Bible, Geology, and Archaeology, by A. M. Rehwinkel, 1957, p. 69)
So, even if estimates are based on these expanded figures, the ark could
easily have accommodated a pair of all these animals.
4. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
Ever heard of hydroponic gardens, And one animals crap is called food
for many plants, surely you heard of manure. Also many animals and
insects major food source is dung. $hi+ is good, in Noah's case.
5. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
First not all the animals went to the Ark,
Second, what make you think all the vegetation was destroyed?
6. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
Actually he sent out a crow first...
And then again why wouldn't anything grow in a short period of time?
Remember the person who brought the flood? Same person who made
everything on the planet... surely he can do neat thinks with his
technology...
7. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
So?
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| User: "ien" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Science behind the Flood |
23 Sep 2006 07:57:32 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:56:53 GMT, JabriolStrategos
<jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote:
Bill M wrote:
"JabriolStrategos" <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in message
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07...
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred
during the
Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation
of
the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the
voice
of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to say
that
the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of Egyptian
legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx
starts
roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that the
Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be
heard
in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even
have
specific terms for it.
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous
biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come
CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on
earth.
Don't you believe in speciation? But lets talk about the Ark's
capacity.
The ark (Heb., tevah?; Gr., kibotos?) was a rectangular chestlike
vessel presumably having square corners and a flat bottom. It needed no
rounded bottom or sharp bow to cut rapidly through the water; it
required no steering; its only functions were to be watertight and to
stay afloat. A vessel so shaped is very stable, cannot be easily
capsized, and contains about one third more storage space than ships of
conventional design. There was a door provided in the side of the ark
for loading and unloading the cargo.
In size the ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high.
Conservatively calculating the cubit as 44.5 cm (17.5 in.) (some think
the ancient cubit was nearer 56 or 61 cm), the ark measured 133.5 m by
22.3 m by 13.4 m (437 ft 6 in. 72 ft 11 in. 43 ft 9 in.), less than
half the length of the ocean liner Queen Elizabeth 2. This proportion of
length to width (6 to 1) is used by modern naval architects. This gave
the ark approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) in gross volume. It
is estimated that such a vessel would have a displacement nearly equal
to that of the mighty 269-m (883 ft) Titanic of this 20th century. No
cargo vessel of ancient times even slightly resembled the ark in its
colossal size. Internally strengthened by adding two floors, the three
decks thus provided gave a total of about 8,900 sq m (96,000 sq ft) of
space.
You will make a tso?har [roof; or, window] for the ark, Noah was told.
(Ge 6:16) Just what this was or how it was constructed is not altogether
clear. Some scholars think tso?har is related to light and so they
translate it window (KJ, Mo), light (AS, JP), a place for light
(Ro). Others, however, associate tso?har with a later Arabic root
meaning back (of the hand), back (of a beast), deck (of a ship),
that is, the part away from the ground or water, and for this reason
translate it roof. (AT, RS, JB) This tso?har, Noah was told, was to be
completed to the extent of a cubit upward.Ge 6:16.
It could be, therefore, that the tso?har provided for adequate light and
ventilation, not just a single cubit-square peephole, but an opening a
cubit in height near the roof and extending around the four sides to
give an opening of nearly 140 sq m (1,500 sq ft). On the other hand,
while still allowing an ample opening for ventilation under the roof or
elsewhere, the roof could have had slightly angled sides. Regarding this
possibility James F. Armstrong wrote in Vetus Testamentum (Leiden, 1960,
p. 333): Unto a cubit upward you shall finish it is difficult to
understand when sohar is translated either light (= window) or even
(flat) roof. If, however, a gable-type roof be postulated, the one
cubit upward can refer to the elevation of the crease of the roof above
the level of the tops of the walls. In modern architectural terms, the
one cubit would be the height of the kingposts between which the
ridgepiece is laid. . . . According to the argument that has been
presented, the roof of Noahs ark was conceived as having a four
per-cent pitch (1 cubit elevation 25 cubits from wall to ridge), quite
adequate to permit the water of the rains to flow off.
2. In order to capture two (or seven) of each animal in the world,
Noah
would have to travel the whole world and capture them. This is an
impossibility even with modern means of travel and transport much less
ancient ravel on foot and by donkey!
First you forget, that this event is supposed to be a divine event.
Surel God could directed the animals toward the Box, instead of Noah
capturing them. And Not every single species was needed.
3. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
The kinds of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and
unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which
boundaries creatures are capable of breeding according to their kinds.
It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species
of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family
kindsthe horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The
breeding boundaries according to kind established by Jehovah were not
and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said
that, had there been as few as 43 kinds of mammals, 74 kinds of
birds, and 10 kinds of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced
the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in
estimating that 72 kinds of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird kinds
were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known
today could have come from inbreeding within so few kinds following
the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankindshort, tall,
fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and
skinall of whom sprang from the one family of Noah.
These estimates may seem too restrictive to some, especially since such
sources as The Encyclopedia Americana indicate that there are upwards of
1,300,000 species of animals. (1977, Vol. 1, pp. 859-873) However, over
60 percent of these are insects. Breaking these figures down further, of
the 24,000 amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals, 10,000 are birds,
9,000 are reptiles and amphibians, many of which could have survived
outside the ark, and only 5,000 are mammals, including whales and
porpoises, which would have also remained outside the ark. Other
researchers estimate that there are only about 290 species of land
mammals larger than sheep and about 1,360 smaller than rats. (The Deluge
Story in Stone, by B. C. Nelson, 1949, p. 156; The Flood in the Light of
the Bible, Geology, and Archaeology, by A. M. Rehwinkel, 1957, p. 69)
So, even if estimates are based on these expanded figures, the ark could
easily have accommodated a pair of all these animals.
4. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply
of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to
survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would
have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It
must
have been one stinking ship!
Ever heard of hydroponic gardens, And one animals crap is called food
for many plants, surely you heard of manure. Also many animals and
insects major food source is dung. $hi+ is good, in Noah's case.
5. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten
months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
First not all the animals went to the Ark,
Second, what make you think all the vegetation was destroyed?
6. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the
dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove
goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree
survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly
wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
Actually he sent out a crow first...
And then again why wouldn't anything grow in a short period of time?
Remember the person who brought the flood? Same person who made
everything on the planet... surely he can do neat thinks with his
technology...
7. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
So?
Of course, the story is so ridiculous that you have to insert some
mighty imagination and a good deal of magic into it to make it plausible
to even the simplest of believers. As far as myths go, this isn't even
a good one. You should learn to think for yourself and not believe what
you're told.
"Get your facts first, and then you can distort
them as much as you please." (Mark Twain)
.....
ien
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| User: "Matt Probert" |
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24 Sep 2006 05:54:48 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:48:02 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
Indeed.
It frightens me that there are still so many fundamentalists about who
actually believe the stories (myths) in the bible and take them as
literal.
I know educated people who reject Darwinism becaue "the bible tells us
so".
Beggars belief!
Matt
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A comprehensive who's who of the world's mythologies.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/mythology.htm
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| User: "Ken Kellerman" |
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27 Sep 2006 10:40:28 PM |
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"JabriolStrategos" is jabriol aka Antonio Santana, net stalker
<jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in message
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07...
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
Here is classic on flooding ngs with personal attacks on others, the
Jehovahs Witness known as Antonio Santana aka jabriol the netstalker
..................
From: Vance Liscomb <Vance_member@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction)
In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta
(born
September
1959) and his address is:
Antonio L. Santana (JABRIOL)
1064 Everett Street
Camden, NJ
(856) 968-0004
His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey
Hospital.
http://terraserver-
usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2454&Y=22098&W=1&qs=1064+Eve
rett+Street%7ccamden%
7cnew+jersey%7c&Addr=1064+Everett+St%2c+Camden%2c+NJ+08104&ALon=-
75.1075127&ALat=39.9275305
There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
1584 S 8th St
Camden, NJ 08104-1469
(856) 365-0065
417 Walnut St
Camden, NJ 08103-2033
(856) 365-4457
Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more
than one
congregation using the same KH.
I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness, so you might want to
ask for Norma
Santana as well when you call.
I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
856-964-6712
A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
where
Antonio lives.
It's possible that the information that you've been posting about Antonio
has
been wrong all along.
NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science behind the Flood |
23 Sep 2006 12:06:04 PM |
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JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during
the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every
nation of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost
identical everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start
with the voice of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians
used to say that the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear.
One of Egyptian legends says that the whole world will shudder, when
the Sphinx starts roaring with laughter. All those stories describe
the sound that the Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle.
The sound can be heard in various parts of the world from time to
time; some nations even have specific terms for it.
You actually believe Pravda?
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| User: "JabriolStrategos" |
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23 Sep 2006 12:31:26 PM |
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R. Pierce Butler wrote:
JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during
the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every
nation of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost
identical everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start
with the voice of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians
used to say that the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear.
One of Egyptian legends says that the whole world will shudder, when
the Sphinx starts roaring with laughter. All those stories describe
the sound that the Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle.
The sound can be heard in various parts of the world from time to
time; some nations even have specific terms for it.
You actually believe Pravda?
What is wrong with a russian newspaper?
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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23 Sep 2006 11:10:47 PM |
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JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:ObeRg.2508$2G1.1772@trnddc07:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred
during the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost
every nation of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are
almost identical everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse
would start with the voice of the Lord that every human being will
hear. Egyptians used to say that the Great Sphinx was the father of
horror and fear. One of Egyptian legends says that the whole world
will shudder, when the Sphinx starts roaring with laughter. All
those stories describe the sound that the Earth's core produces when
it touches the mantle. The sound can be heard in various parts of
the world from time to time; some nations even have specific terms
for it.
You actually believe Pravda?
What is wrong with a russian newspaper?
It is not that it is Russian that makes it bad, it is the ridiculous
content of the publication. Pravda is the Russian equivalent of "Weekly
World News" or "The Enquirer" but on steroids.
Her is a sample of the stuff you can find in Pravda:
"Time Can be Turned Back"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/12190_experiment.html
"Tunguska event an actual UFO crash site"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/22-09-2006/84587-tunguska-0
"Enchanted ravine restores years of youth"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/15-09-2006/84463-psychic-0
Icon weeps miraculous tears of myrrh
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/12-09-2006/84401-myrrh-0
There is much more to be found within Pravda.
You might even find an article or two about a man that is half man, half
giraffe. I'll bet you could find an article about a hamster that sings
and dances.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?fiBT5GJs6yB+?=" |
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24 Sep 2006 08:11:51 PM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9847EBC7B4A90nospamyahoocom@10.232.1.1...
JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:ObeRg.2508$2G1.1772@trnddc07:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred
during the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost
every nation of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are
almost identical everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse
would start with the voice of the Lord that every human being will
hear. Egyptians used to say that the Great Sphinx was the father of
horror and fear. One of Egyptian legends says that the whole world
will shudder, when the Sphinx starts roaring with laughter. All
those stories describe the sound that the Earth's core produces when
it touches the mantle. The sound can be heard in various parts of
the world from time to time; some nations even have specific terms
for it.
You actually believe Pravda?
What is wrong with a russian newspaper?
It is not that it is Russian that makes it bad, it is the ridiculous
content of the publication. Pravda is the Russian equivalent of "Weekly
World News" or "The Enquirer" but on steroids.
Her is a sample of the stuff you can find in Pravda:
"Time Can be Turned Back"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/12190_experiment.html
"Tunguska event an actual UFO crash site"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/22-09-2006/84587-tunguska-0
"Enchanted ravine restores years of youth"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/15-09-2006/84463-psychic-0
Icon weeps miraculous tears of myrrh
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/12-09-2006/84401-myrrh-0
There is much more to be found within Pravda.
You might even find an article or two about a man that is half man, half
giraffe. I'll bet you could find an article about a hamster that sings
and dances.
I think this just shows you what kind of crapola the JWs read and believe.
;-)
--
WE.......
Well, then, have I become YOUR enemy because I tell YOU the truth?
Galatians 4:16 NWT
http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
http://www.truthandgrace.com/Watchtower.htm
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science behind the Flood |
25 Sep 2006 01:20:25 AM |
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~ Sbl ~ <Sable666@gmail.com> wrote in
news:45172e7d$0$1351$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9847EBC7B4A90nospamyahoocom@10.232.1.1...
JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:ObeRg.2508$2G1.1772@trnddc07:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
JabriolStrategos <jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote in
news:hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred
during the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost
every nation of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are
almost identical everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse
would start with the voice of the Lord that every human being will
hear. Egyptians used to say that the Great Sphinx was the father
of horror and fear. One of Egyptian legends says that the whole
world will shudder, when the Sphinx starts roaring with laughter.
All those stories describe the sound that the Earth's core
produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be heard in
various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even
have specific terms for it.
You actually believe Pravda?
What is wrong with a russian newspaper?
It is not that it is Russian that makes it bad, it is the ridiculous
content of the publication. Pravda is the Russian equivalent of
"Weekly World News" or "The Enquirer" but on steroids.
Her is a sample of the stuff you can find in Pravda:
"Time Can be Turned Back"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/12190_experiment.html
"Tunguska event an actual UFO crash site"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/22-09-2006/84587-tunguska-0
"Enchanted ravine restores years of youth"
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/15-09-2006/84463-psychic-0
Icon weeps miraculous tears of myrrh
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/12-09-2006/84401-myrrh-0
There is much more to be found within Pravda.
You might even find an article or two about a man that is half man,
half giraffe. I'll bet you could find an article about a hamster
that sings and dances.
I think this just shows you what kind of crapola the JWs read and
believe. ;-)
It is apparant that JW's and Christians are alike in this regard. They
lie, invent stories, and more to further their agenda. Anyting to
support their notions and they don't care how incredible the source.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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24 Sep 2006 06:05:05 AM |
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JabriolStrategos wrote:
What is wrong with a russian newspaper?
"Communist Party newspaper."
They were the model for Fox.
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| User: "Cloim" |
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23 Sep 2006 02:36:28 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:01:01 +0000, JabriolStrategos wrote:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during
the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation
of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the
voice of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to
say that the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of
Egyptian legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx
starts roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that
the Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle.
The "voice of the Lord" is "the sound of the Earth's core touching the
mantle"?
Interesting.
And of course that means that the Great Sphinx *is "the Lord"
So you've converted to Egyptian polytheism?
The sound can be
heard in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even
have specific terms for it.
Such as "the voice of the Lord"?
Fascinating.
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| User: "JabriolStrategos" |
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23 Sep 2006 05:09:15 PM |
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Cloim wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:01:01 +0000, JabriolStrategos wrote:
And of course that means that the Great Sphinx *is "the Lord"
So you've converted to Egyptian polytheism?
When people read what you post... it is a better alternative.
Let me guess you believe in the 6 day creation quikie.. right?
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| User: "Cloim" |
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23 Sep 2006 08:43:43 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:09:15 +0000, JabriolStrategos wrote:
Cloim wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:01:01 +0000, JabriolStrategos wrote:
And of course that means that the Great Sphinx *is "the Lord"
So you've converted to Egyptian polytheism?
When people read what you post... it is a better alternative.
Let me guess you believe in the 6 day creation quikie.. right?
I doubt it.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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23 Sep 2006 05:46:05 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:01:01 GMT, JabriolStrategos
<jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote:
- Refer: <hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07>
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Another change of socks for that terminally brain-dead fuckwit
Antonio.
The day you die, the average IQ of the universe will jump by 50
points.
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| User: "ien" |
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23 Sep 2006 07:59:40 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:01:01 GMT, JabriolStrategos
<jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> wrote:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
....One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during
the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation
of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere. The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the
voice of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to
say that the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of
Egyptian legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx
starts roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that
the Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be
heard in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even
have specific terms for it.
Perhaps you could name some of the many legends you mention. Please!
Certainly the Chinese who were flourishing during this period missed the
big event. And their history is continuous.
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| User: "Henry Mankinna" |
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24 Sep 2006 08:19:19 PM |
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"ien" <H22G4@schurld.net> wrote in message
news:30mbh2pdp38cnk439r34ocvvsad4linohs@4ax.com...
Certainly the Chinese who were flourishing during this period missed the
big event. And their history is continuous.
This has been brought up before and not one fundy will touch it! They
pretend they don't see anything concerning the flood and the Chinese.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS: Science behind the Flood |
25 Sep 2006 05:37:34 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:01:01 GMT, in alt.atheism , JabriolStrategos
<jabStrategos@ajedrez.pr> in <hLdRg.2500$2G1.736@trnddc07> wrote:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/30-03-2005/7973-earth-0
...One of the recent displacements of the Earth's axis occurred during
the Flood. Legends about the Flood can be found with almost every nation
of the world: the descriptions of the disaster are almost identical
everywhere.
Except they aren't identical. Look up Mark Isaak's flood story list.
The Bible says that the Apocalypse would start with the
voice of the Lord that every human being will hear. Egyptians used to
say that the Great Sphinx was the father of horror and fear. One of
Egyptian legends says that the whole world will shudder, when the Sphinx
starts roaring with laughter. All those stories describe the sound that
the Earth's core produces when it touches the mantle. The sound can be
heard in various parts of the world from time to time; some nations even
have specific terms for it.
Sound?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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