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21 Sep 2003 12:24:03 PM |
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TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis |
Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a gradual
changing from one kind of life into another. And that would have to be the
case regardless of which variation of evolutionary theory is accepted. Even
scientists who believe in the more rapid changes associated with the
"punctuated equilibrium" theory acknowledge that there would still have been
many thousands of years during which these changes supposedly took place. So
it is not reasonable to believe that there would be no need at all for
linking fossils.
Also, if evolution were founded in fact, the fossil record would be
expected to reveal beginnings of new structures in living things. There
should be at least some fossils with developing arms, legs, wings, eyes, and
other bones and organs. For instance, there should be fish fins changing
into amphibian legs with feet and toes, and gills changing into lungs. There
should be reptiles with front limbs changing into bird wings, back limbs
changing into legs with claws, scales changing into feathers, and mouths
changing into horny beaks.
In this regard the British journal New Scientist says of the theory: "It
predicts that a complete fossil record would consist of lineages of
organisms showing gradual change continuously over long periods of time." As
Darwin himself asserted: "The number of intermediate varieties, which have
formerly existed, [must] be truly enormous."
On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is factual, then the
fossil record would not show one type of life turning into another. It would
reflect the Genesis statement that each different type of living thing would
reproduce only "according to its kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also,
if living things came into being by an act of creation, there would be no
partial, unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would
be complete and highly complex, as living things are today.
In addition, if living things were created, they would be expected to
appear suddenly in the fossil record, unconnected to anything before them.
And if this was found to be true, what then? Darwin frankly admitted: "If
numerous species . . . have really started into life at once, the fact would
be fatal to the theory of evolution."
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| Title: Re: The Fossil record support's Genesis |
22 Sep 2003 08:18:36 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
And while we're at it, we'll also keep in mind that you don't have the
slightest fucking clue as to what you're yammering about.
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| User: "Thales" |
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| Title: Re: The Fossil record support's Genesis |
23 Sep 2003 09:43:47 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
And while we're at it, we'll also keep in mind that you don't have the
slightest fucking clue as to what you're yammering about.
I keep saying that~!!
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| User: "John Baker" |
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25 Sep 2003 12:26:40 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
And while we're at it, we'll also keep in mind that you don't have the
slightest fucking clue as to what you're yammering about.
I keep saying that~!!
But Jabbers never listens...:-)
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| User: "~ *{. *|..|* .}* ~" |
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| Title: Re: The Fossil record support's Genesis |
21 Sep 2003 06:40:13 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
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We see you still haven't taken that trip to the Museum of Natural History to
see the display of the horse...... why not? You only live a short train
ride or bus trip away.
--
Patty & Patrick.....
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for
their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible;
in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Sep 2003 12:11:50 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
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We see you still haven't taken that trip to the Museum of Natural History
to
see the display of the horse...... why not? You only live a short train
ride or bus trip away.
Hell, our president lives a few blocks away, yet is still under the delusion
that humans were created by gawd.
--
Chris
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| User: "George" |
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21 Sep 2003 07:58:46 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete fossil
records.
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| User: "Thales" |
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23 Sep 2003 09:42:24 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete fossil
records.
He wont. Most fundies have never really studied evolution. All they
have done is foggily follow the pied peckers of fundamentalist
junkscience. All they have done is parrot what the fundy leaders say.
They dont really underastand evolution one bit and its easy to see in
how they phrase things
Here is a great Christian website. Its made up of scientists and they
present some very good arguments against creationism and for theistic
evolution. As an atheist I find it one of the best sites for moving
people from voodoo creationism to theistic evolution.
http://www.asa3.org some of those writers also contribute to the Talk
origins site at http://www.talkorigins.org If a fundy was to spend
just one day reading the articles in these two sites they would be
cured of that voodoo rubbish. Its rather funny.
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From the mouths of cretinists:
"The "stars" associated with the solar system, such as the planets and
asteroids (and it should be remembered that the term "star" in
Biblical usage applies to any heavenly body other than the sun and
moon) would be particularly likely to be involved, in view of the
heavy concentration of angels, both good and evil, around the planet
Earth."
--Henry Morris
President, Institute for
Creation Research
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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22 Sep 2003 11:34:51 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete fossil
records.
yes, I love new england clamchowder as the next guy..
so clams evoled into what?
ever heard of the devonian extinction?
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| User: "George" |
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23 Sep 2003 02:07:20 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man,
not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete
fossil
records.
yes, I love new england clamchowder as the next guy..
so clams evoled into what?
It takes an ignorant bloke like you to think that Brachiopods are related to
clams: they are not even closely related.
ever heard of the devonian extinction?
Sure, who hasn't. Are you suggesting that all brachiopods went extinct at
the end of the devonian?
Ever hear of the over 200 species of modern brachiopods?
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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23 Sep 2003 08:12:26 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man,
not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete
fossil
records.
yes, I love new england clamchowder as the next guy..
so clams evoled into what?
It takes an ignorant bloke like you to think that Brachiopods are related to
clams: they are not even closely related.
I was being sarcastic... no sense of humour, me tell ye..
Brachiopods are marine animals that, upon first glance, look like
clams. They are actually quite different from clams in their anatomy,
and they are not closely related to the molluscs. They are
lophophorates, and so are related to the Bryozoa and Phoronida.
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| User: "George" |
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23 Sep 2003 04:14:21 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of
man,
not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely
reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete
fossil
records.
yes, I love new england clamchowder as the next guy..
so clams evoled into what?
It takes an ignorant bloke like you to think that Brachiopods are
related to
clams: they are not even closely related.
I was being sarcastic... no sense of humour, me tell ye..
Brachiopods are marine animals that, upon first glance, look like
clams. They are actually quite different from clams in their anatomy,
and they are not closely related to the molluscs.
Not closely related? They aren't related at all. The only similarity lies
in their fossil remains, and even then only superficially. If you've ever
seen a live one you would know instantly that it is not a clam.
They are
lophophorates, and so are related to the Bryozoa and Phoronida.
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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23 Sep 2003 08:08:55 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man,
not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete
fossil
records.
yes, I love new england clamchowder as the next guy..
so clams evoled into what?
It takes an ignorant bloke like you to think that Brachiopods are related to
clams: they are not even closely related.
ever heard of the devonian extinction?
Sure, who hasn't. Are you suggesting that all brachiopods went extinct at
the end of the devonian?
Ever hear of the over 200 species of modern brachiopods?
yup.. I wonder if they are evolving into something else..
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| User: "George" |
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23 Sep 2003 08:16:38 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of
man,
not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely
reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most complete
fossil
records.
yes, I love new england clamchowder as the next guy..
so clams evoled into what?
It takes an ignorant bloke like you to think that Brachiopods are
related to
clams: they are not even closely related.
ever heard of the devonian extinction?
Sure, who hasn't. Are you suggesting that all brachiopods went extinct
at
the end of the devonian?
Ever hear of the over 200 species of modern brachiopods?
yup.. I wonder if they are evolving into something else..
Yep, a water troll. :-)
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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22 Sep 2003 12:02:17 PM |
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yes, I love new england clamchowder as the next guy..
so clams evoled into what?
I believe that this was discussed in the Arlo Guthrie song "The Story of Reuben
Clamzo and his Strange Daughter in the Key of A"
http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/reuben-clamzo.shtml
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Ill-Legal Dept. "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"
"My country, right or wrong; to be defended when right and righted when wrong."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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23 Sep 2003 06:20:21 AM |
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"krlll" <krlll@betelgeuse.com> wrote in message
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George wrote:
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most
complete fossil records.
Do these show developments of the type that Jabriol was
referring to - i.e. a gradual change from a brachiopod into
something that isn't a brachiopod, with intermediate features
that are neither this nor that?
Many show a near continous evolutionary change between species of
brachiopods, not, say from a brachiopod to a hippopotomus, as you
might like
to imagine. They are one of the best animals for which to study
evolution
because of the relative completeness of their fossil record, and the
fact
that they still exist (200 species) today.
[jabriol replies:"why go so far.. bacteria and viruses constantly
change as well.. they remain bacteria and viruses,, your example is
not a good one]
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| User: "George" |
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23 Sep 2003 08:10:33 AM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
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"krlll" <krlll@betelgeuse.com> wrote in message
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George wrote:
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most
complete fossil records.
Do these show developments of the type that Jabriol was
referring to - i.e. a gradual change from a brachiopod into
something that isn't a brachiopod, with intermediate features
that are neither this nor that?
Many show a near continous evolutionary change between species of
brachiopods, not, say from a brachiopod to a hippopotomus, as you
might like
to imagine. They are one of the best animals for which to study
evolution
because of the relative completeness of their fossil record, and the
fact
that they still exist (200 species) today.
[jabriol replies:"why go so far.. bacteria and viruses constantly
change as well.. they remain bacteria and viruses,, your example is
not a good one]
A bacteria that has muted is just that, a mutated bacteria. It has not
become a different species. Can it do so? Of course it can. Have we seen
it? Not that I know of, although I am not an expert on bacteria. However,
the fossil record shows a clear and direct evolutionary pattern among
brachipods, complete with transitional forms and all. So your example is
even worse.
And Brachipods have remained brachiopods for hundreds of millions of years,
but were descended, it is believed, from bryozoans. What's your point? My
point is that in looking at the fossil record, there is a clear evolutionary
line of descent amongst brachipods.
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| User: "krlll" |
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22 Sep 2003 08:48:25 AM |
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George wrote:
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most
complete fossil records.
Do these show developments of the type that Jabriol was
referring to - i.e. a gradual change from a brachiopod into
something that isn't a brachiopod, with intermediate features
that are neither this nor that?
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| User: "George" |
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23 Sep 2003 02:03:08 AM |
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"krlll" <krlll@betelgeuse.com> wrote in message
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George wrote:
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most
complete fossil records.
Do these show developments of the type that Jabriol was
referring to - i.e. a gradual change from a brachiopod into
something that isn't a brachiopod, with intermediate features
that are neither this nor that?
Many show a near continous evolutionary change between species of
brachiopods, not, say from a brachiopod to a hippopotomus, as you might like
to imagine. They are one of the best animals for which to study evolution
because of the relative completeness of their fossil record, and the fact
that they still exist (200 species) today.
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| User: "krlll" |
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23 Sep 2003 04:46:32 AM |
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George wrote:
Many show a near continous evolutionary change between
species of brachiopods, not, say from a brachiopod to a
hippopotomus, as you might like to imagine. They are one
of the best animals for which to study evolution because of
the relative completeness of their fossil record, and the fact
that they still exist (200 species) today.
But wouldn't you expect such a complete fossil record to
show something before? After? Branching off? Not just
different varieties of the same thing?
What about all those amazing textbook diagrams showing
amoebae turning into fish which then hobble out of the water
gasping for air, pausing only to metamorphose into reptiles
and then sprouting feathers and flying off as birds? What is
all that stuff based on?
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| User: "George" |
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23 Sep 2003 08:01:25 AM |
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"krlll" <krlll@betelgeuse.com> wrote in message
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George wrote:
Many show a near continous evolutionary change between
species of brachiopods, not, say from a brachiopod to a
hippopotomus, as you might like to imagine. They are one
of the best animals for which to study evolution because of
the relative completeness of their fossil record, and the fact
that they still exist (200 species) today.
But wouldn't you expect such a complete fossil record to
show something before? After? Branching off? Not just
different varieties of the same thing?
Why? Brachipods have been brachipods for hundreds of million years. I
don't know of any other type of animal that is descended from them. They
do, however have similarities to earlier developed bryozoans, and may be
descended from them. What I am pointing out is that the record for
brachipods is so complete that you can easily seen the evolution from one
species to the next.
What about all those amazing textbook diagrams showing
amoebae turning into fish which then hobble out of the water
gasping for air, pausing only to metamorphose into reptiles
and then sprouting feathers and flying off as birds? What is
all that stuff based on?
1) Amoenae didn't become fish. Obviously there were many steps in between.
2) There are today many species of lungfish who do, in fact hobble out of
the water. The transition between the fish and reptiles would be the
amphibians, who's eggs hatch in water, the larvae living in water until it
grows into adulthood, after which it spends a significant time out of water.
In fact, many amphibians only return to the water to lay their eggs.
3) The fact that their are two basic types of dinosaurs (ones with
reptile-like pelvises and other features, and ones with bird-like pelvises
and other features) is not an accident. Birds are essentially avian
dinosaurs. What is it all based on? 150 years of anatomical and paleoecolo
gical studies, comparative anatomy, and lots of geologic time.
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22 Sep 2003 12:51:46 PM |
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"krlll" <krlll@betelgeuse.com> wrote in message news:<3f6efdab$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>...
George wrote:
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most
complete fossil records.
Do these show developments of the type that Jabriol was
referring to - i.e. a gradual change from a brachiopod into
something that isn't a brachiopod, with intermediate features
that are neither this nor that?
He wont answer that... he know better..
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| User: "George" |
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23 Sep 2003 02:04:40 AM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309220951.6576fec5@posting.google.com...
"krlll" <krlll@betelgeuse.com> wrote in message
news:<3f6efdab$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>...
George wrote:
Try studying brachiopods, since they have one of the most
complete fossil records.
Do these show developments of the type that Jabriol was
referring to - i.e. a gradual change from a brachiopod into
something that isn't a brachiopod, with intermediate features
that are neither this nor that?
He wont answer that... he know better..
My what wonder grammar have you! Read my response to Krlll, and then find
that rock you crawled out from under, and go back there.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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30 Sep 2003 12:10:28 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:T8lbb.1611061$Bf5.234441@news.easynews.com...
Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
And it does.
Tough luck for you!
--
Chris
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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30 Sep 2003 12:47:01 AM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity1@insightBBB.ReplaceBBBwithBBandPutDotComAfterItcom>
wrote in message news:8f8eb.467812$cF.151258@rwcrnsc53...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:T8lbb.1611061$Bf5.234441@news.easynews.com...
Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
And it does.
Tough luck for you!
--
Chris
ftp://info-02:info-02@65.127.169.45/=CD-R=creation-vs-evolution/index.html
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| User: "raven1" |
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30 Sep 2003 01:22:43 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:47:01 GMT, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
ftp://info-02:info-02@65.127.169.45/=CD-R=creation-vs-evolution/index.html
Noah, are you really so uneducated that you fall for such tripe?
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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30 Sep 2003 10:39:52 AM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity1@insightBBB.ReplaceBBBwithBBandPutDotComAfterItcom> wrote in message news:<8f8eb.467812$cF.151258@rwcrnsc53>...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:T8lbb.1611061$Bf5.234441@news.easynews.com...
Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
And it does.
Tough luck for you!
A View of Life states: "Beginning at the base of the Cambrian period
and extending for about 10 million years, all the major groups of
skeletonized invertebrates made their first appearance in the most
spectacular rise in diversity ever recorded on our
planet."-(California, 1981), Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould, Sam
Singer, p. 649.
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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30 Sep 2003 10:39:19 AM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity1@insightBBB.ReplaceBBBwithBBandPutDotComAfterItcom> wrote in message news:<8f8eb.467812$cF.151258@rwcrnsc53>...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:T8lbb.1611061$Bf5.234441@news.easynews.com...
Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
And it does.
Tough luck for you!
no it doesnt, a View of Life states: "Beginning at the base of the
Cambrian period and extending for about 10 million years, all the
major groups of skeletonized invertebrates made their first appearance
in the most spectacular rise in diversity ever recorded on our
planet."-(California, 1981), Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould, Sam
Singer, p. 649.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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30 Sep 2003 11:41:20 PM |
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On 30 Sep 2003 08:39:19 -0700, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
no it doesnt, a View of Life states: "Beginning at the base of the
Cambrian period and extending for about 10 million years, all the
major groups of skeletonized invertebrates made their first appearance
in the most spectacular rise in diversity ever recorded on our
planet."-(California, 1981), Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould, Sam
Singer, p. 649.
Which SUPPORTS evolution.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: The Fossil record support's Genesis |
30 Sep 2003 11:13:40 PM |
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Theistic anti-evolutionists are dependent on the straw man
logical fallacy. This is why they insist on telling us what
science "says" and then find it wanting.
Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in message news:<d222de3e.0309300739.77f88656@posting.google.com>...
"Peacenik" <criskity1@insightBBB.ReplaceBBBwithBBandPutDotComAfterItcom> wrote in message news:<8f8eb.467812$cF.151258@rwcrnsc53>...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:T8lbb.1611061$Bf5.234441@news.easynews.com...
Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
And it does.
Tough luck for you!
no it doesnt,
Evolutionary theory says nothing about the probability of
fossilization.
a View of Life states:
"Beginning at the base of the
Cambrian period and extending for about 10 million years, all the
major groups of skeletonized invertebrates made their first appearance
in the most spectacular rise in diversity ever recorded on our
planet."-(California, 1981), Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould, Sam
Singer, p. 649.
As if this out of context quote even hints at the claim
you made on behalf of science: "If evolution were a fact,
the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual changing from one kind of life into another."
Keep in mind also that this is the guy who still doesn't
know the definition of evolution--the one used by those
intimately involved with it: biologists. He attacks
evolution not because there is any lack of evidence but
because it personally offends his religious beliefs.
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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| Title: Re: The Fossil record support's Genesis |
30 Sep 2003 08:59:17 AM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity1@insightBBB.ReplaceBBBwithBBandPutDotComAfterItcom> wrote in message news:<8f8eb.467812$cF.151258@rwcrnsc53>...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:T8lbb.1611061$Bf5.234441@news.easynews.com...
Keep in mind, I am refering to evolution as the origin of man, not
constant changing of cells.
If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a
gradual
changing from one kind of life into another.
And it does.
Tough luck for you!
no, it doesn't
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