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06 Dec 2003 04:40:40 PM |
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TOBS: the great 4 |
In a previous Post which Carol interrupted I asker to define the four
fundamental forces.. she failed to answer.
The four fundamental forces come into play both in the vastness of the
cosmos and in the infinite smallness of atomic structures. Yes, everything
we see around us is involved.
Elements vital for our life (particularly carbon, oxygen, and iron) could
not exist were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
doeas anybody in the creationist field know?
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| User: "Wolf333" |
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06 Dec 2003 09:15:19 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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In a previous Post which Carol interrupted I asker to define the four
fundamental forces.. she failed to answer.
How do you interrupt a po
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Dec 2003 08:35:23 PM |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:15:19 -0600, "Wolf333" <wolfe333@excite.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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In a previous Post which Carol interrupted I asker to define the four
fundamental forces.. she failed to answer.
How do you interrupt a po
Found out, huh? ;)
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Budikka" |
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03 Jan 2004 10:00:00 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<IVsAb.1476043$be.211421@news.easynews.com>...
In a previous Post which Carol interrupted I asker to define the four
fundamental forces.. she failed to answer.
Why would anyone answer a single thing of you when you run like a
scared cat every time someone asks a tough question of you? Like the
19 questions I have asked you that you haven't answered, some from as
long ago as August?
Take the plank out of your own eye, then you may see more clearly the
mote in the eyes of others.
Budikka
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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30 Jan 2004 11:25:13 AM |
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consider the earth's measurements and its position relative to the
rest of our solar system. The Bible book of Job contains these
humbling questions: "Where did you happen to be when I founded the
earth? . . . Who set its measurements, in case you know?" (Job 38:4,
5) As never before, those questions beg for answers. Why? Because of
the amazing things that have been discovered about our earth—including
its size and its position in our solar system.
No planet like earth has been found elsewhere in the universe. True,
some scientists point to indirect evidence that certain stars have
orbiting them objects that are hundreds of times larger than the
earth. Our earth, though, is just the right size for our existence. In
what sense? If earth were slightly larger, its gravity would be
stronger and hydrogen, a light gas, would collect, being unable to
escape the earth's gravity. Thus, the atmosphere would be inhospitable
to life. On the other hand, if our earth were slightly smaller,
life-sustaining oxygen would escape and surface water would evaporate.
In either case, we could not live.
The earth is also at an ideal distance from the sun, a factor vital
for life to thrive. Astronomer John Barrow and mathematician Frank
Tipler studied "the ratio of the Earth's radius and distance from the
Sun." They concluded that human life would not exist "were this ratio
slightly different from what it is observed to be." Professor David L.
Block notes: "Calculations show that had the earth been situated only
5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating
of the earth] would have occurred about 4 000 million years ago. If,
on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from
the sun, runaway glaciation [huge sheets of ice covering much of the
globe] would have occurred some 2 000 million years ago."—Our
Universe: Accident or Design?
To the above precision, you can add the fact that the earth rotates on
its axis once a day, the right speed to produce moderate temperatures.
Venus takes 243 days to rotate. Just think if the earth took as long!
We could not survive the extreme temperatures resulting from such long
days and nights.
Another vital detail is our earth's path around the sun. Comets have a
wide elliptic path. Thankfully, this is not so with the earth. Its
orbit is almost circular. Again, this prevents us from experiencing
death-dealing extremes of temperature.
Nor should we ignore the location of our solar system. Were it nearer
the center of the Milky Way galaxy, the gravitational effect of
neighboring stars would distort the orbit of the earth. In contrast,
were it situated at the very edge of our galaxy, the night sky would
be all but devoid of stars. Starlight is not essential to life, but
does it not add great beauty to our night sky? And based on current
concepts of the universe, scientists have calculated that at the edges
of the Milky Way, there would not have been enough of the needed
chemical elements to form a solar system like ours.
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30 Jan 2004 11:38:06 AM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0401300925.4fca1cc5@posting.google.com...
consider the earth's measurements and its position relative to the
rest of our solar system. The Bible book of Job contains these
humbling questions: "Where did you happen to be when I founded the
earth? . . . Who set its measurements, in case you know?" (Job 38:4,
5) As never before, those questions beg for answers. Why? Because of
the amazing things that have been discovered about our earth-including
its size and its position in our solar system.
No planet like earth has been found elsewhere in the universe. True,
some scientists point to indirect evidence that certain stars have
orbiting them objects that are hundreds of times larger than the
earth. Our earth, though, is just the right size for our existence. In
what sense? If earth were slightly larger, its gravity would be
stronger and hydrogen, a light gas, would collect, being unable to
escape the earth's gravity. Thus, the atmosphere would be inhospitable
to life. On the other hand, if our earth were slightly smaller,
life-sustaining oxygen would escape and surface water would evaporate.
In either case, we could not live.
The earth is also at an ideal distance from the sun, a factor vital
for life to thrive. Astronomer John Barrow and mathematician Frank
Tipler studied "the ratio of the Earth's radius and distance from the
Sun." They concluded that human life would not exist "were this ratio
slightly different from what it is observed to be." Professor David L.
Block notes: "Calculations show that had the earth been situated only
5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating
of the earth] would have occurred about 4 000 million years ago. If,
on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from
the sun, runaway glaciation [huge sheets of ice covering much of the
globe] would have occurred some 2 000 million years ago."-Our
Universe: Accident or Design?
To the above precision, you can add the fact that the earth rotates on
its axis once a day, the right speed to produce moderate temperatures.
Venus takes 243 days to rotate. Just think if the earth took as long!
We could not survive the extreme temperatures resulting from such long
days and nights.
Another vital detail is our earth's path around the sun. Comets have a
wide elliptic path. Thankfully, this is not so with the earth. Its
orbit is almost circular. Again, this prevents us from experiencing
death-dealing extremes of temperature.
Nor should we ignore the location of our solar system. Were it nearer
the center of the Milky Way galaxy, the gravitational effect of
neighboring stars would distort the orbit of the earth. In contrast,
were it situated at the very edge of our galaxy, the night sky would
be all but devoid of stars. Starlight is not essential to life, but
does it not add great beauty to our night sky? And based on current
concepts of the universe, scientists have calculated that at the edges
of the Milky Way, there would not have been enough of the needed
chemical elements to form a solar system like ours.
Idiot!
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| User: "The Emperors New Clayton" |
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30 Jan 2004 05:22:46 PM |
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<rnewland@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2EwSb.22806$eY2.924@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0401300925.4fca1cc5@posting.google.com...
consider the earth's measurements and its position relative to the
rest of our solar system. The Bible book of Job contains these
humbling questions: "Where did you happen to be when I founded the
earth? . . . Who set its measurements, in case you know?" (Job 38:4,
5) As never before, those questions beg for answers. Why? Because of
the amazing things that have been discovered about our earth-including
its size and its position in our solar system.
No planet like earth has been found elsewhere in the universe. True,
some scientists point to indirect evidence that certain stars have
orbiting them objects that are hundreds of times larger than the
earth. Our earth, though, is just the right size for our existence. In
what sense? If earth were slightly larger, its gravity would be
stronger and hydrogen, a light gas, would collect, being unable to
escape the earth's gravity. Thus, the atmosphere would be inhospitable
to life. On the other hand, if our earth were slightly smaller,
life-sustaining oxygen would escape and surface water would evaporate.
In either case, we could not live.
The earth is also at an ideal distance from the sun, a factor vital
for life to thrive. Astronomer John Barrow and mathematician Frank
Tipler studied "the ratio of the Earth's radius and distance from the
Sun." They concluded that human life would not exist "were this ratio
slightly different from what it is observed to be." Professor David L.
Block notes: "Calculations show that had the earth been situated only
5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating
of the earth] would have occurred about 4 000 million years ago. If,
on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from
the sun, runaway glaciation [huge sheets of ice covering much of the
globe] would have occurred some 2 000 million years ago."-Our
Universe: Accident or Design?
To the above precision, you can add the fact that the earth rotates on
its axis once a day, the right speed to produce moderate temperatures.
Venus takes 243 days to rotate. Just think if the earth took as long!
We could not survive the extreme temperatures resulting from such long
days and nights.
Another vital detail is our earth's path around the sun. Comets have a
wide elliptic path. Thankfully, this is not so with the earth. Its
orbit is almost circular. Again, this prevents us from experiencing
death-dealing extremes of temperature.
Nor should we ignore the location of our solar system. Were it nearer
the center of the Milky Way galaxy, the gravitational effect of
neighboring stars would distort the orbit of the earth. In contrast,
were it situated at the very edge of our galaxy, the night sky would
be all but devoid of stars. Starlight is not essential to life, but
does it not add great beauty to our night sky? And based on current
concepts of the universe, scientists have calculated that at the edges
of the Milky Way, there would not have been enough of the needed
chemical elements to form a solar system like ours.
Idiot!
Well said.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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30 Jan 2004 06:57:57 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach The Emperor's New Clayton:
<rnewland@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2EwSb.22806$eY2.924@fe2.texas.rr.com...
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0401300925.4fca1cc5@posting.google.com...
consider the earth's measurements and its position relative to the
rest of our solar system. The Bible book of Job contains these
humbling questions: "Where did you happen to be when I founded the
earth? . . . Who set its measurements, in case you know?" (Job 38:4,
5) As never before, those questions beg for answers. Why? Because of
the amazing things that have been discovered about our earth-including
its size and its position in our solar system.
No planet like earth has been found elsewhere in the universe. True,
some scientists point to indirect evidence that certain stars have
orbiting them objects that are hundreds of times larger than the
earth. Our earth, though, is just the right size for our existence. In
what sense? If earth were slightly larger, its gravity would be
stronger and hydrogen, a light gas, would collect, being unable to
escape the earth's gravity. Thus, the atmosphere would be inhospitable
to life. On the other hand, if our earth were slightly smaller,
life-sustaining oxygen would escape and surface water would evaporate.
In either case, we could not live.
The earth is also at an ideal distance from the sun, a factor vital
for life to thrive. Astronomer John Barrow and mathematician Frank
Tipler studied "the ratio of the Earth's radius and distance from the
Sun." They concluded that human life would not exist "were this ratio
slightly different from what it is observed to be." Professor David L.
Block notes: "Calculations show that had the earth been situated only
5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating
of the earth] would have occurred about 4 000 million years ago. If,
on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from
the sun, runaway glaciation [huge sheets of ice covering much of the
globe] would have occurred some 2 000 million years ago."-Our
Universe: Accident or Design?
To the above precision, you can add the fact that the earth rotates on
its axis once a day, the right speed to produce moderate temperatures.
Venus takes 243 days to rotate. Just think if the earth took as long!
We could not survive the extreme temperatures resulting from such long
days and nights.
Another vital detail is our earth's path around the sun. Comets have a
wide elliptic path. Thankfully, this is not so with the earth. Its
orbit is almost circular. Again, this prevents us from experiencing
death-dealing extremes of temperature.
Nor should we ignore the location of our solar system. Were it nearer
the center of the Milky Way galaxy, the gravitational effect of
neighboring stars would distort the orbit of the earth. In contrast,
were it situated at the very edge of our galaxy, the night sky would
be all but devoid of stars. Starlight is not essential to life, but
does it not add great beauty to our night sky? And based on current
concepts of the universe, scientists have calculated that at the edges
of the Milky Way, there would not have been enough of the needed
chemical elements to form a solar system like ours.
Idiot!
Well said.
Occam's Razor always works. I once rebutted a 500 line bleater rant with
one word. "*****".
Pissed him off, too, realizing he'd wasted a few hours posting that. Or at
least 5 minutes copying and pasting it.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Maverick" |
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31 Jan 2004 02:54:09 AM |
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(JaBrIoL) wrote in news:d222de3e.0401300925.4fca1cc5
@posting.google.com:
consider the earth's measurements and its position relative to the
rest of our solar system. The Bible book of Job contains these
humbling questions: "Where did you happen to be when I founded the
earth? . . . Who set its measurements, in case you know?" (Job 38:4,
5) As never before, those questions beg for answers. Why? Because of
the amazing things that have been discovered about our earth—including
its size and its position in our solar system.
No planet like earth has been found elsewhere in the universe. True,
some scientists point to indirect evidence that certain stars have
orbiting them objects that are hundreds of times larger than the
earth. Our earth, though, is just the right size for our existence. In
what sense? If earth were slightly larger, its gravity would be
stronger and hydrogen, a light gas, would collect, being unable to
escape the earth's gravity. Thus, the atmosphere would be inhospitable
to life. On the other hand, if our earth were slightly smaller,
life-sustaining oxygen would escape and surface water would evaporate.
In either case, we could not live.
The earth is also at an ideal distance from the sun, a factor vital
for life to thrive. Astronomer John Barrow and mathematician Frank
Tipler studied "the ratio of the Earth's radius and distance from the
Sun." They concluded that human life would not exist "were this ratio
slightly different from what it is observed to be." Professor David L.
Block notes: "Calculations show that had the earth been situated only
5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating
of the earth] would have occurred about 4 000 million years ago. If,
on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from
the sun, runaway glaciation [huge sheets of ice covering much of the
globe] would have occurred some 2 000 million years ago."—Our
Universe: Accident or Design?
To the above precision, you can add the fact that the earth rotates on
its axis once a day, the right speed to produce moderate temperatures.
Venus takes 243 days to rotate. Just think if the earth took as long!
We could not survive the extreme temperatures resulting from such long
days and nights.
Another vital detail is our earth's path around the sun. Comets have a
wide elliptic path. Thankfully, this is not so with the earth. Its
orbit is almost circular. Again, this prevents us from experiencing
death-dealing extremes of temperature.
Nor should we ignore the location of our solar system. Were it nearer
the center of the Milky Way galaxy, the gravitational effect of
neighboring stars would distort the orbit of the earth. In contrast,
were it situated at the very edge of our galaxy, the night sky would
be all but devoid of stars. Starlight is not essential to life, but
does it not add great beauty to our night sky? And based on current
concepts of the universe, scientists have calculated that at the edges
of the Milky Way, there would not have been enough of the needed
chemical elements to form a solar system like ours.
And since we all live for approx. 75-80 years or so, which is a tiny
fraction of the entire age of the universe, and since we're just tiny
lifeforms on a tiny grain of sand in this enormous universe, I'd say it's
a strange thing to say that the universe is here for our sake. It would
be the same to write a software that needs thousands of DVD's worth of
storage space, and this program performs trillions of different
calculations in order to reach its goal: to produce the output "Hello
World!" for a fraction of a second, on a monitor noone's looking at.
Seems like someone forgot to optimize their code.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Dec 2003 11:55:30 PM |
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And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Dec 2003 07:36:46 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.05.55.29.572134@sig.below...
And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
Are you sure?
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising, that not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over there.
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| User: "martin" |
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08 Dec 2003 09:04:52 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising, that not
a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
oh, I think a few people do, personally the maths started to get a bit
beyond me after Formal Algebra, Maxwell's Eqn's, University level stats.
I don't think I could understand the maths that describe the four forces and
quantum mechanics, except on a trivial level. Let's see YOUR understanding
in words the rest of us can comprehend.
Strong force - binds the atomic nucleus together
Weak force - binds the beta decay (prevents it usually)
Electromagnetic - movement of charged bodies, chemical binding, magnetic and
electricity
Gravity - attractive force between two bodies
I'm not too happy with the understanding of the Electromagnetic, the
description sounds too wolley and I've been a qualified engineer for over 20
years dealing with the stuff lol
So, fine tuning? Go for it. And don't forget to tell us all your
understanding of the forces, and not just their effect.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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03 Jan 2004 10:20:35 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<O1GAb.1525566$be.220589@news.easynews.com>...
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising, that not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
Let's get this moron dealt with. The four fundamental forces are: the
strong force that holds the innards of the atom together, the weak
force connected (when it fails) with radioactive decay, gravity, and
the stench of your horseshit.
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over there.
Another Jabriol Lie (TM). Neither you nor these topics are banned in
talk.origins. What is banned is assholes who cannot keep their
blather harnessed to four fundamental news groups, but instead post in
groups where they have been repeatedly asked **NOT** to post, like the
sci... groups, and everywhere else their sticky, sweaty, deranged fat
fingers can hammer into the "Groups" box.
Now, once again, I answered yet more questions for you. It's your
turn to answer the 19 I have been asking of you, some since August
last year. Here they are again:
1. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003
you stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is
factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life
turning into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that
each different type of living thing would reproduce only "according to
its kind." (Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came
into being by an act of creation, there would be no partial,
unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be
complete and highly complex, as living things are today."
(http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist.
True or false?
2. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it
was or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx
had pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features
and therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage.
True or false?
3. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, is pretty much what a
transitional giraffe could have looked like.
True or false?
4. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
5. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse.
True or false?
6. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis.
True or false?
7. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind".
True or false?
8. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern
fish.
True or false?
9. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
10. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
11. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern
reptiles.
True or false?
12. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication
are of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in
recognized science journals.
True or false?
13. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
14. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published
in a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better
theory to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today
than the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
15. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in
these news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal
holes in the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
16. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence
from others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
17. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man",
Nebraska "man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to
the current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but
creationists ever makes an issue of them any more.
True or false?
18. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire
post because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false
questions without realizing what a ***** they are.
True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
19. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer with at least one competent and
intelligent reference that does not refer to a non-existent article in
_New Scientist_, is not a throw-away quotation, and is not merely a
headline from an article that has nothing otherwise to do with the
topic.
There will be more questions added to this growing list when a
reasonable amount of time passes and you predictably fail to address
them in the original threads.
Budikka
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:13:08 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:36:46 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.05.55.29.572134@sig.below...
And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
Are you sure?
There's no evidence of "fine tuning."
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising, that not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
And I'm expected to buy that *YOU* are qualified to judge whether anybody
at all understands advanced physics?
Riiiiight.
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over there.
Liar.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Dec 2003 11:27:30 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.17.13.08.268073@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:36:46 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.05.55.29.572134@sig.below...
And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
Are you sure?
There's no evidence of "fine tuning."
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising, that
not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
And I'm expected to buy that *YOU* are qualified to judge whether anybody
at all understands advanced physics?
given my secular profesion, and job.. yes :-)
Riiiiight.
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over there.
Liar.
ask them...
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03 Jan 2004 10:51:38 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<6qJAb.2554192$Of.387935@news.easynews.com>...
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over there.
Liar.
ask them...
No need to. Here's the detail:
http://tinyurl.com/2rev6
And here's a thread posted by Jabriol to talk.origins on October 21,
2003:
http://tinyurl.com/2bvdn
The title of the thread?
"Re: Talk.Origin Banned thread: Re: To the man who raped me all"
So just 2.5 months ago, Jabriol posted a topic to talk.origins in
which the title contained the phrase "Talk.Origin Banned thread" - so
he was even lying about it in a thread in the very news group he
claims the topic was banned from!
And the present topic? The four fundamental forces?
Here's Jabriol talking about gravity just last April, so we know
that's not banned: http://tinyurl.com/3djrz
Here's one in which both gravity and the weak force are mentioned:
http://tinyurl.com/27sxb
So once again it is proven that Jabriol is a LIAR!
Budikka
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07 Dec 2003 12:44:16 PM |
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And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:27:30 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.17.13.08.268073@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:36:46 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.05.55.29.572134@sig.below...
And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
Are you sure?
There's no evidence of "fine tuning."
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising, that
not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
And I'm expected to buy that *YOU* are qualified to judge whether anybody
at all understands advanced physics?
given my secular profesion, and job.. yes :-)
Given your Usenet history, I have strong reason to doubt the veracity of
the above.
Riiiiight.
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over there.
Liar.
ask them...
Don't have to. I was watching the flap. I know you're lying.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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07 Dec 2003 01:39:38 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.18.44.15.758598@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:27:30 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.17.13.08.268073@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:36:46 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.05.55.29.572134@sig.below...
And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak
thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
Are you sure?
There's no evidence of "fine tuning."
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising,
that
not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
And I'm expected to buy that *YOU* are qualified to judge whether
anybody
at all understands advanced physics?
given my secular profesion, and job.. yes :-)
Given your Usenet history, I have strong reason to doubt the veracity of
the above.
then you have an issue.. not me.
Riiiiight.
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over
there.
Liar.
ask them...
Don't have to. I was watching the flap. I know you're lying.
you know I am lying.. an atheist who claim prescience.. interesting
next you will say you know because you inhaled melange.. eh?
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07 Dec 2003 04:31:33 PM |
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And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:39:38 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.18.44.15.758598@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:27:30 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.17.13.08.268073@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:36:46 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.05.55.29.572134@sig.below...
And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak
thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
Are you sure?
There's no evidence of "fine tuning."
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising,
that
not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
And I'm expected to buy that *YOU* are qualified to judge whether
anybody
at all understands advanced physics?
given my secular profesion, and job.. yes :-)
Given your Usenet history, I have strong reason to doubt the veracity of
the above.
then you have an issue.. not me.
You're a known net kook and known liar. That's not *me having an issue.
Riiiiight.
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over
there.
Liar.
ask them...
Don't have to. I was watching the flap. I know you're lying.
you know I am lying.. an atheist who claim prescience.. interesting
next you will say you know because you inhaled melange.. eh?
No, I watched you in the act of lying.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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07 Dec 2003 11:57:49 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.22.31.33.269447@sig.below...
: And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:39:38 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
: No, I watched you in the act of lying.
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Jabriol is a known sadistic, vicious, lying sociopath here on Usenet.
It's getting to the point people don't know if he's purposely lying, which
the Watchtower calls "theocratic warfare," or if he's a pathological liar
unable to STOP lying. He may not know the difference anymore between
reality and religious mania caused fantasies. He's also on heavy meds for
his neurological disorder/diseases as well. Some people believe the other
Jehovah's Witnesses are too gutless to get him off the internet and find
some professional help for him.
--
Sally Goroun DaRozes......
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a
poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after
death."
- Albert Einstein -
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08 Dec 2003 07:43:00 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:57:49 -0600 didst ZeHole E. Gost speak
thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.22.31.33.269447@sig.below...
: And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:39:38 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
: No, I watched you in the act of lying.
=============================
Jabriol is a known sadistic, vicious, lying sociopath here on Usenet.
It's getting to the point people don't know if he's purposely lying, which
the Watchtower calls "theocratic warfare," or if he's a pathological liar
unable to STOP lying. He may not know the difference anymore between
reality and religious mania caused fantasies. He's also on heavy meds for
his neurological disorder/diseases as well. Some people believe the other
Jehovah's Witnesses are too gutless to get him off the internet and find
some professional help for him.
Personally, I think he's serious. That is, he really can't tell.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
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07 Dec 2003 04:52:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.22.31.33.269447@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:39:38 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.18.44.15.758598@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:27:30 +0000 didst jabriol speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.17.13.08.268073@sig.below...
And so upon Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:36:46 +0000 didst jabriol speak
thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <see.blog@sig.below> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.07.05.55.29.572134@sig.below...
And so upon Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:40:40 +0000 didst jabriol speak
thusly:
were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in
the
universe.
There is no "fine tuning."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
http://nullusfides.blogspot.com/
Are you sure?
There's no evidence of "fine tuning."
the question was directed to creationist.. And I find surprising,
that
not a
single atheist understans what the four fundamentals forces are...
And I'm expected to buy that *YOU* are qualified to judge whether
anybody
at all understands advanced physics?
given my secular profesion, and job.. yes :-)
Given your Usenet history, I have strong reason to doubt the veracity
of
the above.
then you have an issue.. not me.
You're a known net kook and known liar. That's not *me having an issue.
yes it is... you have a serious problem...
please provide evidence of me and Kookdom..
and by the way.. I never lie.
Riiiiight.
maybe somenpby from TO would. but these subjects are banned over
there.
Liar.
ask them...
Don't have to. I was watching the flap. I know you're lying.
you know I am lying.. an atheist who claim prescience.. interesting
next you will say you know because you inhaled melange.. eh?
No, I watched you in the act of lying.
with a crystal ball no doubt...
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03 Jan 2004 10:32:21 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<bbOAb.2491381$Id.381261@news.easynews.com>...
and by the way.. I never lie.
Liar.
Jabriol Lies Series #1
http://tinyurl.com/2w7u9
Jabriol Lies Series #2
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rl
Jabriol Lies Series #3
http://tinyurl.com/27cvs
Jabriol Lies Series #4
http://tinyurl.com/33zrt
Jabriol Lies Series #5
http://tinyurl.com/2t944
Jabriol Lies Series #6
http://tinyurl.com/3776p
Budikka
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| Title: The JW JABRIOL Files .. Beating up older women (c)Watchtower |
05 Jan 2004 04:19:54 AM |
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JW "Love": "filfty old menopausal beat up liar, service your husband"
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The words of proven Jehovah's Witness JABRIOL (Antonio Santana, a famous
member of the Camden, New Jersey community of Watchtower-Worshipers), to a
brave female poster who dares to expose the Watchtower's endless lies.
The Watchtower is a kooky cult. So what? Well, they trick people into
joining, and then blight their lives (and those of ones who love them) with
their ironclad "God's" rules on LIFELONG SHUNNING of dissenters, BLOOD
TRANSFUSION banning, prevention of brainwashed cult-members from even
reading any material critical of their organization, oppression of women,
etc. See the links at the end of this post for plenty of proof.
As women outnumber men by 3:2 in this organization, and the women are
supposed to absolute slaves to the men (or risk being disciplined), it will
soon be evident why creatures like Santana are JWs...
Why don't I stop him? I must confess, IT SUITS MY PURPOSE TO LEAVE THIS
RABID JW DOG ANTONIO SANTANA ("JABRIOL") HOWLING AND BARKING IN USENET...
He does more damage to the Watchtower Cult than any other, including even
myself.
The real tragedy is when a young life is lost (Truthseeker Chris Dubose,
who
devout Jehovah's Witness Jabriol taunted/goaded and who then committed
suicide under a train: Jabriol then tormented his grief-stricken mother
(who had spoken out against Jabriol) about the circumstances of the death -
how the decapitated head may have bounced or rolled)... I know, I know.
JW JABRIOL, Joys of Wife-PINDING, 'Yetzabel' RIVAS SANTANA & 856 365 4457
JUDGE A TREE BY ITS FRUIT: JUDGE THE WATCHTOWER BT JW JABRIOL SANTANA
"you filfty old menopausal beat up liar,go home and service your husband"
- words of the Jehovah's Witnesses to a female victim of spousal abuse.
[Proof given below]
856 365 4457 is the telephone number of the JW KINGDOM HALL (in downtown
Camden, NJ) that Mr Antonio L. "Jabriol" Santana's attended for years.
These folk would have no qualms banging on your door uninvited, or
cold-calling you by phone. Why not return the favor and ask how Santana is
doing, ask whether he represents the Watchtower's teachings, ask why the
Elders supported him for years... persist! Your labors shall be rewarded!
If you think you have read this before, do not be mistaken. I have added
yet even more Jabriolisms from my archives.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS SPIRITUAL-PIMP AND LIAR davers_dfd
<davers_dfd@netzero.net> TRYING TO DEFEND HIS PRECIOUS BROTHER JEHOVAH'S
WITNESS wrote...
Carol wrote
Others here can verify what I've posted about Jabriol - such as
throwing his young daughter and her infant out on the streets of Camden
NJ to become, as he called it, a "crack *****."
Looked for a post by Jabs indicating what you accuse him of. NADA.
Perhaps you might post a link...just a free thought...;0)
davers
--
If Jehovah, His organization, or myself take exception to some aspect of
my life or personality... I have a personal challenge.
If you take exception to some aspect of my life or personality...
You have a personal problem.
Dave M Worthey with appreciation to JG.
So you can see how one Jehovah's Witness slinks out to protect another.
JW JABRIOL Antonio Santana has nuked many of his most outrageous posts from
the archives, you filthy JW liar... Proof here:
http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=jabriol@whitebulls.org
http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=jabriol@truthspeaker.net
http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=Jabriol@nycboom.org
where you will see that no posts show up with author JW Jabriol at these
addresses - but if we search for posts responding to ones from those
accounts, we get loads:
http://google.com/groups?as_epq=jabriol@whitebulls.org&num=100
http://google.com/groups?as_epq=jabriol@truthspeaker.net&num=100
http://google.com/groups?as_epq=Jabriol@nycboom.org
Below appears the proof that JABRIOL got his YOUNG daughter thrown out.. a
daughter who Antonio Santana sometimes calls RIVAS SANTANA, and sometimes
more Biblically YETZABEL SANTANA. Can't JW Jabriol get anything right?
And also proof that when she later came back (complete with infant(s)), he
denied her entry.
So the first time around, Jabriol has admitted he had Social Services evict
his teenage daughter (being a great jW coward, he would not do it himself).
Her crime? Being "disruptive" - i.e., refusing to bow down to the false god
"jehovah" and the insane Watchtower cult.
The second time, Jabriol refused is daughter (and her INFANT child) entry,
throwing them on to the streets.
Which taken together proves what Carol stated, or proves that Jabriol is a
TOTAL LIAR (which hardly requires proof at all, I know!). Read on, it is
all here!
http://google.com/groups?selm=7c6h8d%24stt%40chronicle.concentric.net
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: Clones: part of evolution?
Date: March 10, 1999
Message-ID: <7c6h8d$stt@chronicle.concentric.net>
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Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Reply-To:
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.bio.technology.
cloning,sci.eugenics
Jabs? Read? You have to be kidding. Jabs is the guy who heaved his
daughter out of the house 'cause she dared to use her head for something
other than hatrack and who then pondered lip-smackingly on the
possibilities of her having to turn to whoring to support herself. Cotton
Mather ain't got nothin' on Jabs. 'Idiot' is, if anything, a mild term.
yes, she used her head alright, one kid from a drug dealer, pregnant again
from another dealer in our beloved city..
however her influence is not affecting the other children. we all ake our
choices..
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The only reason Jabriol did not nuke the above post is that "Splifford"
replied to it, quoting Jabriol in full, in:
http://google.com/groups?selm=patjames-1003992336300001%40208.11.43.99
so the nuking would not have removed the words from the archive....
Want more proof of what Jabriol did - in Jabriol's own words? Here!
http://google.com/groups?selm=7f0v5f$bbc@chronicle.concentric.net
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: Life by accident???
Date: 1999/04/13
Message-ID: <7f0v5f$bbc@chronicle.concentric.net>
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<3711AA57.B0BC790F@eskimo.com> <01be8575$f0902940$b87141cf@default>
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Reply-To:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,talk.origins,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,
alt.biology
He refused to give shelter to his own daughter and grandchild. He
thinks' this is a wonderful and righteous thing he's done.
yup.darn proud of it too... there been peace in the household ever since.
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and more at:
http://google.com/groups?selm=7f3lns$ni7@journal.concentric.net
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: Life by accident???
Date: 1999/04/14
Message-ID: <7f3lns$ni7@journal.concentric.net>
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Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Reply-To:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,talk.origins,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,
alt.biology
Do you even READ the Bible? Ever heard the story of the prodigal son?
If you can read that story, and accept it as the Word of God, and still
refuse your daughter and grandchild shelter, then you must have a
heart of stone.
the prodigal Son left on his own as yetzabel did. but while he was outhere
he realized he made a mistake, and repented, and returne to his father
home, and ask not to be accepted as a son but as a hired worker, which were
treated worse than a slave.
yetzabel has not repented and still wish to live the life style as she see
fit. Hence ahe can stay out there as well.
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and even more at:
http://google.com/groups?selm=7fe6sc$n6a@journal.concentric.net
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: Life by accident???
Date: 1999/04/19
Message-ID: <7fe6sc$n6a@journal.concentric.net>
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Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Reply-To:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,talk.origins,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,
alt.biology
yetzabel has not repented and still wish to live the life style as she
see fit. Hence ahe can stay out there as well.
And what is this horrible lifestyle she wishes to live? Is she a
prostitute? A drug addict? A criminal?
close to a prostitute without pay. has one kid from one guy.. a drug dealer
on thurman st camden, and soon will have another, from another dealer, who
was doing time. if this is the life she wants to live, good for her... but
not in my house.
by the way, right now, welfare support her, and soon they will support her
next kid. the welfare reform laws are bogus.
now many may accuse me cruel, and what Carol forget to tell people, that
she was of age of consent in New Jersey.. where teenagers can pick their
life style. Her lifestyle was not in agreement with mine. Carol believes
that teenagers can meet in motels, and do what they want. but once again
her beliefs it just part of evolution.
why bother with hiv-virus? let these kids bang themselves to death. then
their gene are remove from the human gene pool.
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and Jabriol even jests about it:
http://google.com/groups?selm=99v3lm$6l1$1@taliesin.netcom.net.uk
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Newsgroups: alt.support.abortion,talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc,alt.
politics.india.progressive,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Subject: Re: Charity: A Couple of News Headlines with Links from the New
York Times
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:45:17 GMT
Organization: carlotheloon.net
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I'm glad your own single daughter RESISTED your suggestions that she
should use a coat hanger and went ahead and had her child. Did you ask
her for $200 for a coat-hanger too?
nah.. she family I offered her a discount.
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Two years down the line, JW Jabriol had a spin on it:
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From: (Jabriol)
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alt.teens,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: A new fad: Dumpster babies: a tuthseeker thread one year
later.
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"ChildfreeinPhilly" <ChildfreeinPhilly@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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"Tallyman" <tallyman@intrex.net> wrote in message
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jabriol wrote:
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what happen if a women has a child, and after a year she decides it
cost to much money..? kill it And dumpit in a trash can?
What happens when a "father" (and in your case I use that loosely)
finds out his daughter is 'with child'... and decides it costs too much
and spiritually kills the daughter and child and then physically dumps
them in the street like so much garbage?
HAAAA, great point!!!!!!!!!!
that is a good one, but my aplliable to myself. Since peole her twist,
most likely and more so Tinky and Carol.
Let me remind you that the oldestone was removed from the household by
NJ Dyfuss because she was prejudicial to the remaing children. And Yes I
initiated the course of action, after spending ovclose 38,0000 in
mental instituion for minors.
In the home she was sent to, 2 year later, she got herself pregnant,
by a drug dealer, then got herself pregnant again. At this point she
was legally out of the house at the age of 16.
of course this was around 8 yrs ago..
but again when peole love to twist things you end of with Jabriol
kicking a pregnant kid outta the house.. as with all legends and myth,
it starts out with a well plave intentional lie.
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So Jabriol basically admits what he did, but now says he merely initiated
the complaints to social services which resulted in his MINOR daughter
being evicted from her own home, the JabberCastle - the baby arrived later.
Of course this "New Light" (TM WatchtowerCult):
(a) somewhat contradicts what Antonio L. Santana (did you know that a
famous fossil fish is named after a Santana?) was implying earlier on; BUT
(b) still indicts him squarely.
Similarly here:
http://google.com/groups?selm=94inrj$e4pbq$6@ID-59510.news.dfncis.de
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.parenting,alt.flame.parents
Subject: Re: Janey
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:52:43 GMT
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A cancerous organ is removed, to save the functioning of the rest of the
body. It is a sacrafice, but one that promotes life. My eldest Rivas
(her name) was a tumour. she is cut out. simple.
Again, you've hung yourself with just enough rope. The fact that you
call your own daughter a cancer that had to be removed says worlds
about you and your love for your family. Your love is
CONDITIONAL.....you've learned that from the cult you are in.
And? yes I called her that, and I still do. And Love is conditional. in all
societies. Ask Carol. the moment she got whump in the noogin by her ex...
she split. [..] the term "my way or the highway" [..] been practice in my
family fer decades, many of my cousins, uncles, etc, were remove from thier
homes [..]
Instead, [my JW sister is] a member of our family no matter what. I love
her whatever she does.
No, that is not true. You loved your sister before she was a JW. You do not
love her now. If you did, you would allow her to persue, what she
considered to be right for her [..]
hen you get to the point where you don't refer to her as a tumor that
needed to be cut out, then we'll talk "mature adult"
She was a tumour to the family, now she is to society. And the welfare
system is getting tired of her as well. I understand if she does not go out
and get a job, she loose her welfarechecks, and only the children will get
medicare. This the first step in the state before they take the children
from her.. so I guess the state
of New Jersey is "inmature" as well, do you agree?
Until then, you're just the guy that booted his pregnant daughter out
into the street.
uhhh I belive I stated her pregancy occured after she left to the life she
wanted. And Personal attacks wont get you anywhere. And yes I did have her
removed by denying her entrance after one of her escapade I did it legally
and under the law. And I would do it again and again and again
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Amazing HYPOCRISY from the JW when it is OK for Jabriol the JW to have his
daughter physically ejected because she did not comply with his kooky
beliefs, BUT it is not OK for a non-JW to even verbally complain about the
kooky conduct of a loved one who got conned into the JW!
But then, in the post below, Jabriol seems to want himself forcibly
sterilized...
http://google.com/groups?selm=7ug6ct$iu5$1@hc2.hci.net
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: Do not read this - Filthy Child-Molesters!
Date: 1999/10/18
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I say all minor out in the streets in america, should be rounded. up and
sent to boot camp, and then sterilize the parents, since they can not
control them.
disruptive kids in school should be put on a boat and shipped to Iraq.
beside Evolution teaches that by rules of the survival of the fittest,
unruly kids should be thrown in with wild hungry ferral dogs hence
population control.
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Alas, the hypocrite did not take his own advice there. And to see a real
example of JW Jabriol's profound mental illness, try:
http://google.com/groups?selm=9456kh$c8m90$6@ID-59510.news.dfncis.de
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From: "Jabriol" <>
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What happened in your case with YOUR daughter?
not at all, she wanted freedom.. she got freedom and pregnant. funny that
17 yr oles banging 17 yr oles, are not call an action of pedophilia. once
outta the house not me problem.
Like a typical fundamentalist schizophrenic such as yourself, I guess
it's always the VICTIMS FAULT!
the victim is the child. the fault lies with the Parent.
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Spot the contradiction? LOL! LOL! LOL!!!
The prize for hypocrisy is Jabriol slamming someone else here:
http://google.com/groups?selm=39eacfe5_4@goliath.newsfeeds.com
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Subject: Re: Dear Gramps
From: "Jabriol" <>
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You walk out on your DAUGHTER, simply because you do not like her religion.
This is not about her. It is about you.
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Sure enough, Jabriol cannot apply these dicta to himself... JW hypocrisy..
Now, on to the Jehovah's Witnesses' take on the parable of the Prodigal Son
http://google.com/groups?selm=76pcic$50j@chronicle.concentric.net
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: love her
Date: 1999/01/03
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even worse, the eldest one want to return home.. she got evicted, has one
fatherless child. I said no. I keep my word. in 2 weeks she will be living
in the streets.. if she is not pick up by a pimp. and since she is 21... do
you know how I responded when she ask to come home...
read closely:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA..
now then.. is this the fate you wish to see in others that married outside.
have a nice one.
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A fine example of JW "Christianity"! There JW Jabriol admits he turned away
his child and grandchild(ren)... And more to come:
http://google.com/groups?selm=%DK4b.313966$Bf5.40355@news.easynews.com
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From: "jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org>
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If an atheist removed a disruptive teen under the law from their home it is
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Is JABRIOL repentant? "Nah!"
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From: "Jabriol" <>
Subject: Re: love her
Date: 1999/01/04
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you need to re-read the illustration of the prodigal son again.
The Prodigal son return home repentant. However in Yetzabel case, she is
not. she will not adhere to any rules. The Fact that she is being evicted
demostrate this much. Instead of paying her rent, she spend her welfare
money on a dress to celebrate New Years. I can not let a member of the
family return to disrupt other members of the family, who do what is
correct.
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And here jW Jabriol tries to cover up, and attack the accuser. He sows
confusion because the FIRST time he kicked his daughter out, she was not
pregnant, just a teen, and he got Social Services to do the dirty work. The
SECOND time he left her on the street (but did not "kick her out", as the
JW sadist had never let her back in), she had an infant child (and another
on the way). JW JABRIOL, using his cult's well-known techniques of lying,
cheating and seizing upon any tiny inaccuracy by the side telling the
truth, repeatedly capitalizes on the complexity of the account of his
brutal child abuse (approved of by his syphilitic "Mother", the Watchtower
Whoreganization.
******* Oh, the daughter's crime? She was SMART enough to see the
Watchtowerinanity to be one great big SCANDAL, and HONEST enough to refuse
to bow to Jabriol and his disgusting abomination of a gilded calf, and
BRAVE enough not to compromise though her EVIL WICKED PERVERT of a father
(more a SPIRITUAL-RAPIST than a father) threatened to evict her if she did
not comply and submit to the demands of the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES... Even the
dirty old men back at the Camden N.J. Kingdom Hell... We know what fate
awaits the pretty jW teenage girl who is not sufficiently "compliant" - an
old jW hisband is found for her, she is terrorized into marrying, and then
if she shows any "independent thinking" he can "pind her face into a bloody
pulp" (proof later in this same post). *******
Poor little angel.
Now, in September 2003, comes Jabriol's legalistic nit-picking and
weasel-wording...
http://google.com/groups?selm= FgP4b.325277$Bf5.42192@news.easynews.com
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The child was removed from the household. She was not pregnant. I take
responsability for calling familiy service in my state and after an
evaluation they agreed. In this sense I removed her from the house. the
place where she was placed by the state, let her do whatever she wanted.
And she got pregnant by a crack dealer. You will never find me calling her
a crackwhore. [...] I refused to take responsability of the infant, when
contacted by Dyfus. That was my personal decision. I raised my own kids..
nobody elses. She manipulated dyfus and other counselor to get her way..
well she got to do things her way.. this includes taking resposability for
her actions. She got pregnant again,and the state would not support the
second child.. so goes NJ welfare laws... She gave the kid up. [...] I
still do not regret taking the steps that I took [....] She can't
resists... She knows Jabriol is always right. If you want to get rid of
Carol, tell her to go home and service her husband, like any decent
honorable housewife would.
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Note again, in general those posts which have responses to them quoting the
original text have not been nuked by JW Jabriol. Yep, the cowardly JW
Jabriol has nuked his original post where he called his daughter a crack
*****. Here is someone else (NOT "Carol") referring to it three and a half
years ago at:
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Subject: Re: DNA Ocurred by chance..
Date: 2000/02/20
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@snip@
I am starting to wonder about Jabriol, his fascination with
animal sex, rape etc surely is an obvious one.
Jabs has been on and on and on about the Manpanzee Project for at least 18
months now. He seems to have a thing for really hairy women.
He claims to be a JW; certainly the Mark of the Jabber is the xpost to
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn. Some JWs seem to agree with him. Most simply
don't say anything, pro or con.
Other Marks of the Jabber: he doesn't like Jews, blacks, women, Catholics,
or combinations of the above. He boasts of having kicked his (pregnant)
daughter out of the house to become, in his words, a 'crack *****'.
He sees nothing wrong with any of this.
He has xposted to rape newsgroups that evolution says women are there to be
raped; he has xposted to depression groups that evolution says they should
kill themselves. He's probably done a lot more, but he's had a spot in my
killfile for a while now, so I'm not the best person to tell The Tale of
The Jabber.
Jabs is a living example of the very acme of creationism. Pig-ignorant,
abusive, obnoxious, and proud of it.
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Many others recall Jabriol's crack and ***** references.
And here is Jabriol showing his love for someone else's daughter - the
victim of a prosecuted JW pedophile - and this IN A SUPPORT NEWSGROUP:
http://google.com/groups?selm=3b1df869$2_2@excalibur.gbmtech.net
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Subject: Re: Are Paedophiles Knocking at your Door?
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hudrends of others have been and the molestors have been protected by the
org. My daughter was a victim and the elders had protected the molester
in the past and kept on doing it after.
YAWN!!!!!
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Jabriol is one of Jehovah's Witnesses - and a fine JW to boot. And he is
far more honest than the average door-knocker, who hides the realities of
the Watchtower Child-Abuse Cult from the targets he seeks to indoctrinate.
So, you JW L-I-A-R Dave Worthey ("The Rapist's Best Friend", as proven on
Usenet many times in his support of shameful Watchtower policy that
condemned a woman to certain death at Armageddon if she failed to
physicallt resist an armed gang of rapists), defender of your
spiritual-rapist "Unfleshly Brother" JW Jabriol, better return to your
bottle of booze - or hypodermic is it now? Booze, crack, whores... what a
fine theocratic company.
As to Rivas Santana... poor girl. When one day you get to read this,
contact an attorney to sue your filthy swine of a "father" for every cent
he has got. Do not be afraid - friends will emerge from everywhere. If
anyone knows of this poor abused individual, direct her to:
http://www.silentlambs.org
where help and counselling awaits.
Confining ourselves to those of JW JABRIOL's posts that are in the Google
Usenet Archive ("GUA"), we find a massive range of other abuse by JW
JABRIOL, including taunting of rape victims in their support NG (conduct
encouraged by fellow-JW "Dave Worthey", the rapist's best friend), people
suffering from suicidal depression in their support NG and DB (death toll:
1 so far), accounts of his abuse/expulsion of his own daughter (and later
rejection of her and her baby) as illustrated above, because she rejected
the crazy WT cult, etc.
Why? It is official Watchtower policy to prey on the vulnerable, confused,
bereaved etc. - the WT has learned it has a higher chance of making
converts into their book-peddling, God-dishonoring Cult. And when on Usenet
people oppose the JWs preying on such people, the JWs turn vicious (just
try interrupting the JWs at someone else's door but yours, or go
knock-knock-knocking on their Kingdom Hall door to get your own back, and
you will soon see how viciously they attack you, call the cops, press
charges, etc.)
So many thousands of examples of abuse by JW JABRIOL. So we must restrict
the search!
So let us further confine ourselves to JW JABRIOL'S abuse of one poster, an
abuse victim he calls Carol. JW JABRIOL has attacked her for 5 years; he
hates her (as the WT Cult instructs its adherents to do) because she
exposes the Watchtower's endless lies, idiocies and deceit and is therefore
"a hater of God and His People (i.e. JWs)".
And many hundreds of examples of abuse of victim Carol by JW JABRIOL. So we
must further restrict the search!
Carol suffered physical spousal abuse. JW JABRIOL latches on to this and
returns to taunt her about this. So we restrict our search to just cases
of JW JABRIOL abusing Carol about the physical abuse she suffered from an
ex-husband (we omit hundreds of examples of JW JABRIOL abusing Carol in
other ways, relating to alleged mental problems, alleged menopausal
problems, alleged dishonesty, alleged memory problems, alleged age-related
problems, alleged weight problems, alleged love problems, etc.)...
So further on down is our restricted offering - *ONLY*
1. Posts VERIFIED to be from JW Jabriol (Antonio L. Santana, Camden NJ)
so we omit all the stuff he uses remailers for
AND WHICH ARE ALSO
2. Filed at GOOGLE UA (many are not - including his worst ones)
AND WHICH ARE ALSO
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