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28 Nov 2003 12:50:44 PM |
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tobs: universal ground zero\ comments from Bernard Lovell |
You probably know, though, that observations with larger telescopes have
since proved otherwise. Our universe contains at least 50,000,000,000
galaxies. We do not mean 50 billion stars-but at least 50 billion galaxies,
each with billions of stars like our sun. Yet it was not the staggering
quantity of huge galaxies that shook scientific beliefs in the 1920's. It
was that they are all in motion.
Astronomers discovered a remarkable fact: When galactic light was passed
through a prism, the light waves were seen to be stretched, indicating
motion away from us at great speed. The more distant a galaxy, the faster it
appeared to be receding. That points to an expanding universe!
Even if we are neither professional astronomers nor amateurs, we can see
that an expanding universe would have profound implications about our
past-and perhaps our personal future too. Something must have started the
process-a force powerful enough to overcome the immense gravity of the
entire universe. You have good reason to ask, 'What could be the source of
such dynamic energy?'
Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense
beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some point
in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely
small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and
what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a
Beginning."-Sir Bernard Lovell.
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| User: "Scott and/or Janet Storm" |
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| Title: Re: universal ground zero\ comments from Bernard Lovell |
28 Nov 2003 02:21:02 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:7OMxb.1867890$Id.282834@news.easynews.com...
Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense
beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some
point
in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely
small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and
what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a
Beginning."-Sir Bernard Lovell.
I'm not up on Sir Lovell or his view on cosmology. Perhaps it never crossed
his mind that the entire question is about a meaningless as "what's north of
the north pole"?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: universal ground zero\ comments from Bernard Lovell |
28 Nov 2003 07:12:42 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:21:02 GMT, "Scott and/or Janet Storm"
<bstorm1@comcast.net> posted in alt.atheism:
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:7OMxb.1867890$Id.282834@news.easynews.com...
Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense
beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some point
in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely
small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and
what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a
Beginning."-Sir Bernard Lovell.
I'm not up on Sir Lovell or his view on cosmology. Perhaps it never crossed
his mind that the entire question is about a meaningless as "what's north of
the north pole"?
In order to back up his assertions, Jabbers has to quote people who
practiced primitive science.
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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29 Nov 2003 11:14:41 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<2jsfsvsidfd946cq2dnr1ab2ffgfl3br4f@Pern.rk>...
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:21:02 GMT, "Scott and/or Janet Storm"
<bstorm1@comcast.net> posted in alt.atheism:
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:7OMxb.1867890$Id.282834@news.easynews.com...
Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense
beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some point
in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely
small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and
what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a
Beginning."-Sir Bernard Lovell.
I'm not up on Sir Lovell or his view on cosmology. Perhaps it never crossed
his mind that the entire question is about a meaningless as "what's north of
the north pole"?
In order to back up his assertions, Jabbers has to quote people who
practiced primitive science.
I see, therefore because Sir Lovell practice primitive science.. his
comments are invalid. I see...
so then you are claiming, that the Universe was always here...
got it.
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| User: "Scott and/or Janet Storm" |
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29 Nov 2003 11:42:19 AM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0311290914.265bb92d@posting.google.com...
I see, therefore because Sir Lovell practice primitive science.. his
comments are invalid. I see...
so then you are claiming, that the Universe was always here...
got it.
I'm claiming that, given that time is a function of the universe and terms
like "before" and "always" are temporal, Statements like "before the big
bang" are meaningless. So, given the caveat that "always" falls somewhere
between 12 and 20 billion years, Yes.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Nov 2003 10:28:39 PM |
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On 29 Nov 2003 09:14:41 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<2jsfsvsidfd946cq2dnr1ab2ffgfl3br4f@Pern.rk>...
In order to back up his assertions, Jabbers has to quote people who
practiced primitive science.
I see, therefore because Sir Lovell practice primitive science.. his
comments are invalid. I see...
No, that's your assertion, not mine.
so then you are claiming, that the Universe was always here...
I'm claiming that there's no reason to believe it wasn't. If you
believe there is post it.
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"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Nov 2003 02:49:25 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:21:02 GMT, "Scott and/or Janet Storm"
<bstorm1@comcast.net> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:7OMxb.1867890$Id.282834@news.easynews.com...
Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense
beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some
point
in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely
small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and
what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a
Beginning."-Sir Bernard Lovell.
I'm not up on Sir Lovell or his view on cosmology. Perhaps it never crossed
his mind that the entire question is about a meaningless as "what's north of
the north pole"?
The late (Sir) Bernard Lovell was a head of Department at Manchester
University, and in charge of the Radio Relescope at Jodrell Bank (then
the largest in the World), and a regular contributor on BBC.
Jabbers is seriously misrepresenting him.
I would like to see the full quote including the bits Jabbers left
out.
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| User: "Sally Goroun DeRozes" |
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28 Nov 2003 03:05:08 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:k2dfsvot3dlul0qh3c7njkqs8rh1n5dp2c@4ax.com...
The late (Sir) Bernard Lovell was a head of Department at Manchester
University, and in charge of the Radio Relescope at Jodrell Bank (then
the largest in the World), and a regular contributor on BBC.
Jabbers is seriously misrepresenting him.
I would like to see the full quote including the bits Jabbers left
out.
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Everyone knows Jabriol and most of the other Jehovah's Witnesses do the same
thing. They're all required to read the Watchtower magazines - two that
come out bi-monthly. These magazines are where the JWs learn to use quotes
to their advantage by leaving out most of the articles they quote from! Or
they'll remove what doesn't agree with their beliefs. They take things out
of context. They do the same thing with the bible to make it look like the
bible backs their beliefs. You must take what they quote with a large grain
of salt knowing they do this all the time. It's a very dishonest thing to
do but they call it "theocratic warfare" and so see nothing wrong with this
dishonesty - it's all in the name of their god, Jehovah.
--
Sally........
Rom 13:1 Let every soul (including JWs) be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no
power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power (including JWs), resisteth
the ordinance of
God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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29 Nov 2003 11:31:53 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<k2dfsvot3dlul0qh3c7njkqs8rh1n5dp2c@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:21:02 GMT, "Scott and/or Janet Storm"
<bstorm1@comcast.net> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:7OMxb.1867890$Id.282834@news.easynews.com...
Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense
beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some
point
in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely
small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and
what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a
Beginning."-Sir Bernard Lovell.
I'm not up on Sir Lovell or his view on cosmology. Perhaps it never crossed
his mind that the entire question is about a meaningless as "what's north of
the north pole"?
The late (Sir) Bernard Lovell was a head of Department at Manchester
University, and in charge of the Radio Relescope at Jodrell Bank (then
the largest in the World), and a regular contributor on BBC.
Jabbers is seriously misrepresenting him.
I would like to see the full quote including the bits Jabbers left
out.
does it matter? Al klein claims the man practice old science,
therefore nothing he wrote is valid.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Nov 2003 10:27:30 PM |
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On 29 Nov 2003 09:31:53 -0800, (JaBrIoL) posted in
alt.atheism:
does it matter? Al klein claims the man practice old science,
therefore nothing he wrote is valid.
Quote me saying that nothing he wrote is valid.
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"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avend
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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| Title: Re: universal ground zero\ comments from Bernard Lovell |
28 Nov 2003 01:12:04 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:7OMxb.1867890$Id.282834@news.easynews.com...
You probably know, though, that observations with larger telescopes have
since proved otherwise. Our universe contains at least 50,000,000,000
galaxies. We do not mean 50 billion stars-but at least 50 billion
galaxies,
each with billions of stars like our sun. Yet it was not the staggering
quantity of huge galaxies that shook scientific beliefs in the 1920's. It
was that they are all in motion.
Astronomers discovered a remarkable fact: When galactic light was passed
through a prism, the light waves were seen to be stretched, indicating
motion away from us at great speed. The more distant a galaxy, the faster
it
appeared to be receding. That points to an expanding universe!
Even if we are neither professional astronomers nor amateurs, we can see
that an expanding universe would have profound implications about our
past-and perhaps our personal future too. Something must have started the
process-a force powerful enough to overcome the immense gravity of the
entire universe. You have good reason to ask, 'What could be the source of
such dynamic energy?'
Although most scientists trace the universe back to a very small, dense
beginning (a singularity), we cannot avoid this key issue: "If at some
point
in the past, the Universe was once close to a singular state of infinitely
small size and infinite density, we have to ask what was there before and
what was outside the Universe. . . . We have to face the problem of a
Beginning."-Sir Bernard Lovell.
Uhh...yeah. That's pretty much it. Science has no idea what came before the
Big Bang, and it has no idea what caused the Big Bang.
Is there a point here?
Frank
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| User: "Sally Goroun DeRozes" |
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28 Nov 2003 01:20:06 PM |
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"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:qpmdnVs5zv6XAVqi4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Uhh...yeah. That's pretty much it. Science has no idea what came before
the
Big Bang, and it has no idea what caused the Big Bang.
Is there a point here?
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Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
--
Sally....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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28 Nov 2003 01:37:55 PM |
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"Sally Goroun DeRozes" <noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote in message
news:hvmdnYsq_dF0AlqiRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net...
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:qpmdnVs5zv6XAVqi4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Uhh...yeah. That's pretty much it. Science has no idea what came before
the
Big Bang, and it has no idea what caused the Big Bang.
Is there a point here?
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Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
While I don't doubt that is what he believes, it is certainly not identified
in the post.
Frank
--
Sally....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "raven1" |
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28 Nov 2003 01:46:27 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:37:55 -0700, "Frank Reichenbacher"
<vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote:
"Sally Goroun DeRozes" <noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote in message
news:hvmdnYsq_dF0AlqiRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net...
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:qpmdnVs5zv6XAVqi4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Uhh...yeah. That's pretty much it. Science has no idea what came before
the
Big Bang, and it has no idea what caused the Big Bang.
Is there a point here?
=============
Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
While I don't doubt that is what he believes, it is certainly not identified
in the post.
Probably because in addition to being a sociopath, Jabbers is not very
bright.
---
ROT-13 on Email to reply.
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| User: "JaBrIoL" |
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29 Nov 2003 11:24:19 AM |
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"Sally Goroun DeRozes" <noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote in message news:<hvmdnYsq_dF0AlqiRVn-iQ@heartoftn.net>...
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:qpmdnVs5zv6XAVqi4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Uhh...yeah. That's pretty much it. Science has no idea what came before
the
Big Bang, and it has no idea what caused the Big Bang.
Is there a point here?
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Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
ad hominen notice.
yes let make fun at the watchtower eh.. I mean it is a good
distraction of what was posted.. after all since Carol, who IQ is
about the size of an earth worm, can not fathom what is being
discussed, her only method of disrupting a thread is to poke fun at a
religious organization, which belives their membership is a s stupid
as she is. after all she hanged out with them for 20 yrs... yup..
I bet Carol can not describe the four constants of the Universe..
so
CAROL... just what are the 4 constants of the Universe????
lets see if you can maintain a science converstation...
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| User: "WtS ExPoZeR" |
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29 Nov 2003 04:25:44 PM |
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"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0311290924.37deffd7@posting.google.com...
: "Sally Goroun DeRozes" <noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote in message
news:<hvmdnYsq_dF0AlqiRVn-: > Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of
the Watchtower Publishing House
: > "created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
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: ad hominen notice.
# Misdirection noted.
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: yes let make fun at the watchtower eh.. I mean it is a good
: distraction of what was posted.. after all since Carol, who IQ is
: about the size of an earth worm,
# Which means 100 times the IQ you have........
can not fathom what is being
: discussed, her only method of disrupting a thread is to poke fun at a
: religious organization,
# The Watchtower is a book and magazines publishing house, in business to
MAKE MONEY like any other business.
which belives their membership is a s stupid
: as she is. after all she hanged out with them for 20 yrs... yup..
: I bet Carol can not describe the four constants of the Universe..
: so
: CAROL... just what are the 4 constants of the Universe????
# Constant 1 - there will constantly be false religions like the
Watchtower Society, the Jonestowners, the Moonies...
2 - there will constantly be FALSE PROPHETS like the
WTBS/JWs and it's GB running such schemes.
: 3 - there will constantly be idiots like you, and
millions of gullible and trusting souls said false religions will
constantly scam and rip off.
4 - there will constantly be people like myself to FREE
as many of you as possible from such false-religions, frauds and scammers.
;-)
: lets see if you can maintain a science converstation...
# I'm not interested is cosmology.
--
MiKrobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "jabriol" |
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29 Nov 2003 05:37:10 PM |
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"WtS ExPoZeR" <noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote in message
news:8uWdnXG4YadxgVSiRVn-hg@heartoftn.net...
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0311290924.37deffd7@posting.google.com...
: "Sally Goroun DeRozes" <noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote in message
news:<hvmdnYsq_dF0AlqiRVn-: > Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of
the Watchtower Publishing House
: > "created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
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: ad hominen notice.
# Misdirection noted.
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: yes let make fun at the watchtower eh.. I mean it is a good
: distraction of what was posted.. after all since Carol, who IQ is
: about the size of an earth worm,
# Which means 100 times the IQ you have........
can not fathom what is being
: discussed, her only method of disrupting a thread is to poke fun at a
: religious organization,
# The Watchtower is a book and magazines publishing house, in business to
MAKE MONEY like any other business.
which belives their membership is a s stupid
: as she is. after all she hanged out with them for 20 yrs... yup..
: I bet Carol can not describe the four constants of the Universe..
: so
: CAROL... just what are the 4 constants of the Universe????
# Constant 1 - there will constantly be false religions like the
Watchtower Society, the Jonestowners, the Moonies...
2 - there will constantly be FALSE PROPHETS like the
WTBS/JWs and it's GB running such schemes.
: 3 - there will constantly be idiots like you, and
millions of gullible and trusting souls said false religions will
constantly scam and rip off.
4 - there will constantly be people like myself to FREE
as many of you as possible from such false-religions, frauds and scammers.
;-)
: lets see if you can maintain a science converstation...
# I'm not interested is cosmology.
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thanks for admiting, that your only purpose in this thread is pander your
hatred of JW's..
and back into the looney bin you go..
alsoo you really get oof the net and go service your husband be fore he
buggers the little boy next door.....
Plonk........................................
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| User: "WtS ExPoZeR" |
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29 Nov 2003 07:37:41 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:G4ayb.507361$pf5.3375556@news.easynews.com...
: thanks for admiting, that your only purpose in this thread is pander
your
: hatred of JW's..
** Prove this hatred you keep talking about.
:
: and back into the looney bin you go..
** LOL!!!! I left the looney-bin of the WTS back in the 80s. :-)
:
: alsoo you really get oof the net and go service your husband be fore he
: buggers the little boy next door.....
** Like you did the little boys at the birthday party? How many did you
nail that day?
:
: Plonk........................................
--
MiKrobez......
(Jabriol a Jehovah's Witless) should be more careful in the way he
presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "Varicose Brain" |
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29 Nov 2003 11:20:36 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:37:41 -0600, "WtS ExPoZeR"
<noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote:
** Like you did the little boys at the birthday party? How many did you
nail that day?
You mean to say that Jabriol and Michael Jackson have something in
common?
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| User: "WtS ExPoZeR" |
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30 Nov 2003 01:15:23 AM |
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"Varicose Brain" <lacruiser@aol.com> wrote in message
news:oevisvk48brvnsq5020evq5733hhbl0tri@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:37:41 -0600, "WtS ExPoZeR"
: <noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> wrote:
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: >** Like you did the little boys at the birthday party? How many did
you
: >nail that day?
:
: You mean to say that Jabriol and Michael Jackson have something in
: common?
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It sure seems that way doesn't it? But MJ gives millions to different
charities for children - Jabriol (and the Watchtower Society) wouldn't
give a starving non-JW child a piece of stale bread and a used paper cup
of water.
--
Him & Me........
Rom 13:1 Let every soul (including JWs) be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no
power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power (including JWs),
resisteth the ordinance of
God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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29 Nov 2003 11:32:05 PM |
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(JaBrIoL) wrote in message news:<d222de3e.0311290924.37deffd7@posting.google.com>...
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:qpmdnVs5zv6XAVqi4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
ad hominen notice.
The Internet's biggest hypocrite strikes again! Right after he whines
about this supposed ad hominem (although how you do a "to the man"
when talking of a publication is somewhat murky), he writes this
direct ad hom: "...after all since Carol, who IQ is about the size of
an earth worm, can not fathom what is being discussed,..."!
after all she hanged out with them for 20 yrs... yup..
She hanged out with them?
I bet Carol can not describe the four constants of the Universe..
so
CAROL... just what are the 4 constants of the Universe????
lets see if you can maintain a science converstation...
A science converstation? What if, instead, you try to maintain a
grammatically correct *English* conversation and actually respond to
questions posed of you?
What do you say we have Carol answer your challenge when you have
answered some of the questions and challenges you've been running away
from since you first began posting classic examples of your appalling
ignorance on the Internet, including answering the questions I have
been asking of you since August? What do you say you quit your
pathetic wheedling ***** childish trash spattering and deal with
the issues? What do you say **YOU YOURSELF** deal with **THE
SCIENCE**?
Here are some of these issues yet again:
1. Admit that regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of
whether it was or was not in the line to birds, the archaeopteryx had
pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features and
therefore represented an example of a potential intermediate stage.
2. Admit that the okapi is pretty much what a transitional giraffe
would have looked like.
3. Explain what would prevent something akin to a mouse, from changing
300 genes over 60 million years to become either human or a modern
mouse.
4. Acknowledge that no evolutionist has ever claimed that modern birds
evolved from modern reptiles and that argument from incredulity
addressing this non-issue, no matter how ancient it is, does not
constitute a "colossal hole" in the Theory of Evolution.
5. Acknowledge that creationist letters published as a courtesy (or
maybe as a source of amusement) in _New Scientist_ are *not* the
equivalent of peer-reviewed science papers, no matter how ancient and
misguided they are.
6. Try to post a **LIST** of these "colossal holes" in the Theory of
Evolution that you've been lying about since August.
7. Admit that the informally peer-reviewed talk.origins archive is a
valid reference, especially when the articles to which I have
repeatedly refered you are themselves replete with references, many of
which are to peer-reviewed
material.
8. Realize what a pathetic hypocrite you are to demand peer-reviewed
material of others when you have never offered a single peer-reviewed
reference yourself - in fact, all you essentially do offer is
unreferenced, plagiarized, and all-too-frequently outdated argument
from incredulity.
9. Admit that the article you offered as a reference for your claim
that 75% of human DNA is the same as that of the banana actually
stated that *up to* 30% *may be* similar.
10. Offer even one useful reference for your subsequent and previous
claims that we are:
A. 90% identical to a banana in our DNA,
B. 60% identical to a banana in our DNA,
C. 50% identical to a banana in our DNA.
11. Admit that it is unsuprising that you get ad hommed and abused up
the wazoo entirely due to your own prior abuses, ad homs, ignorance,
stupidity, and intransigence in the face of overwhelming evidence that
you are not only completely wrong, you haven't ever been remotely
right.
The freight train's a-comin', Jabriol and you're still standing with
an idiot look on your face in the middle of the track expecting it to
be Jesus on a white charger! What an imbecile.
Budikka
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30 Nov 2003 07:55:54 AM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in message
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"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing
House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
ad hominen notice.
The Internet's biggest hyp
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| User: "Budikka" |
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03 Dec 2003 07:22:47 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message news:<KFmyb.1986030$Id.301226@news.easynews.com>...
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0311292132.743e5fff@posting.google.com...
Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in message
news:<d222de3e.0311290924.37deffd7@posting.google.com>...
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:qpmdnVs5zv6XAVqi4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing
House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
ad hominen notice.
The Internet's biggest hyp
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Once again the self-styled "Chickenshit for God" fails utterly to do
anything for anybody. What a complete waste of a human he is. How
God must hate him.
Budikka
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| User: "ZeHole E. Gost" |
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04 Dec 2003 06:40:15 PM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0312031722.63aa7e97@posting.google.com...
: "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:<KFmyb.1986030$Id.301226@news.easynews.com>...
: > SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNIpPpPpPPPPPPpPppppPpppppp
: Once again the self-styled "Chickenshit for God" fails utterly to do
: anything for anybody. What a complete waste of a human he is. How
: God must hate him.
:
: Budikka
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He knows god hates him but he can't control his actions. He's like so
many other mentally ill people we run across here on Usenet. The amazing
thing is his "brother" Jehovah's Witnesses think he's doing just fine....
no wonder they're such a mixed up group of people who change their belief
system every few weeks. His "brother" L Perez claims sociopaths like
Jabbers who encourage the depressed to "off" themselves, tell abused women
they deserved to be beaten, raped women they deserved to be raped will be
REWARDED by their Watchtower god known as Jehovah. One wonders about the
sanity of any of them......
--
Lenny LaRew....
"Since the masses of the people are inconstant, full of unruly desires,
passionate, and reckless of consequences, they must be filled with fears
to keep them in order. The ancients did well, therefore, to invent gods,
and the belief in punishment after death."
Polybius -- Roman Historian
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| User: "jabriol" |
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05 Dec 2003 06:17:04 PM |
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"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
news:6-mdnXgLceVrTlKiRVn-jg@heartoftn.net...
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0312031722.63aa7e97@posting.google.com...
: "jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
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: > SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNIpPpPpPPPPPPpPppppPpppppp
: Once again the self-styled "Chickenshit for God" fails utterly to do
: anything for anybody. What a complete waste of a human he is. How
: God must hate him.
:
: Budikka
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He knows god hates him but he can't control his actions. He's like so
many other mentally ill people we run across here on Usenet. The amazing
thing is his "brother" Jehovah's Witnesses think he's doing just fine....
Well, in contrast to your constant lying, what did you expect.
you lied about me being disfellowshiped.
then you lied about me being an elder.
then you lied about me comming from a single family raised in camden.
you lied about me, telling people I live off welfare.
You lie about my daughters.
You just plain lie.
let see about more lies,
no wonder they're such a mixed up group of people who change their belief
system every few weeks. His "brother" L Perez claims sociopaths like
Jabbers who encourage the depressed to "off" themselves, tell abused women
they deserved to be beaten, raped women they deserved to be raped will be
REWARDED by their Watchtower god known as Jehovah.
and yet you offer no proof.
everyone know your forge e-mail...
cut paste replies to give them a twist...
your only reposne when somebody ask for proof is..
"everybody knows"
you hatred for jw's is so evident, why would anybody bother to reply to a
chronic liar.
typical behaviour od people like you you hide under false names, and swap
e-mail headers, to avoid killfiles..
what did you expect?
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| User: "ZeHole E. Gost" |
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07 Dec 2003 12:47:32 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:4e9Ab.2340064$Id.353888@news.easynews.com...
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: Well, in contrast to your constant lying, what did you expect.
** Have no need to lie about you. You're very well known and despised
here on Usenet. :-)
:
: you lied about me being disfellowshiped.
: then you lied about me being an elder.
** Nope,... I only went by what you "led" me to believe. For all we know
you are a disfellowshipped elder.
: then you lied about me comming from a single family raised in camden.
** Only going by what YOU said! Read your old posts going way back......
: you lied about me, telling people I live off welfare.
** PROOF PLEASE..... you didn't want it known.
: You lie about my daughters.
: You just plain lie.
** Nope... YOU called your own daughter a crack-***** because she rejected
the WTS and had a child out of wedlock - remember?
Krobz & Kernyon......
The words of a true Jehovah's Witness. Approved by the Watchtower society
and his fellow JWs here on Usenet. LOCK your doors and don't answer the
bell when these people come ringing and knocking. You may be letting in
something even WORSE than Jabbers - a known troll, sociopath, sadist and
misogynist here on Usenet.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Dec 2003 08:28:50 AM |
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"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
news:btednfhhurQMUE-iRVn-uA@heartoftn.net...
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:4e9Ab.2340064$Id.353888@news.easynews.com...
:
: Well, in contrast to your constant lying, what did you expect.
** Have no need to lie about you. You're very well known and despised
here on Usenet. :-)
so you say...
:
: you lied about me being disfellowshiped.
: then you lied about me being an elder.
** Nope,... I only went by what you "led" me to believe. For all we know
you are a disfellowshipped elder.
Then you are a complete Idiot. If you are so easily led to conclucions based
on incomplete facts. But then again, how can you attack JW's right?
: then you lied about me comming from a single family raised in camden.
** Only going by what YOU said! Read your old posts going way back......
cant' go back and read what I did not write.
: you lied about me, telling people I live off welfare.
** PROOF PLEASE..... you didn't want it known.
I give you proof, when you tell us who you really are and where you live :-)
Unless you are those who stereo type people saying that all puerto ricans in
camden live off of welfare... is that what your saying ?
: You lie about my daughters.
: You just plain lie.
** Nope... YOU called your own daughter a crack-***** because she rejected
the WTS and had a child out of wedlock - remember?
Actually I never called her anything.. you are the one that says this not
me..
and if you are easily mislead with incomplete facts.. well.. then as I said
before
you are an Idiot. and in dire need of a mental health worker.
now go home and service your husband.
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06 Mar 2004 02:15:04 AM |
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Interesting that I should find this post in
alt.psychology.behavior.internet; it might inspire a renaming of the forum
to alt.psychology.BAD.behavior.internet!
On the part of both participants.
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:COGAb.219760$bV5.1517492@news.easynews.com...
"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
news:btednfhhurQMUE-iRVn-uA@heartoftn.net...
"jabriol" <jabriol@cymech.net> wrote in message
news:4e9Ab.2340064$Id.353888@news.easynews.com...
:
: Well, in contrast to your constant lying, what did you expect.
** Have no need to lie about you. You're very well known and despised
here on Usenet. :-)
so you say...
:
: you lied about me being disfellowshiped.
: then you lied about me being an elder.
** Nope,... I only went by what you "led" me to believe. For all we
know
you are a disfellowshipped elder.
Then you are a complete Idiot. If you are so easily led to conclucions
based
on incomplete facts. But then again, how can you attack JW's right?
: then you lied about me comming from a single family raised in camden.
** Only going by what YOU said! Read your old posts going way
back......
cant' go back and read what I did not write.
: you lied about me, telling people I live off welfare.
** PROOF PLEASE..... you didn't want it known.
I give you proof, when you tell us who you really are and where you live
:-)
Unless you are those who stereo type people saying that all puerto ricans
in
camden live off of welfare... is that what your saying ?
: You lie about my daughters.
: You just plain lie.
** Nope... YOU called your own daughter a crack-***** because she
rejected
the WTS and had a child out of wedlock - remember?
Actually I never called her anything.. you are the one that says this not
me..
and if you are easily mislead with incomplete facts.. well.. then as I
said
before
you are an Idiot. and in dire need of a mental health worker.
now go home and service your husband.
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06 Mar 2004 11:55:35 AM |
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"Tom McNamara" <rascal@surfree.com> wrote in message
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Interesting that I should find this post in
alt.psychology.behavior.internet; it might inspire a renaming of the forum
to alt.psychology.BAD.behavior.internet!
====================
As the Watchtower's GB would say, "This is OLD LIGHT. We have all NEW LIGHT
now." :-)
--
Wize Willie....
All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any towns
pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in suit
pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952 vintage.....
and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be bored
to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and eating
a vegetarian diet.
They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
dinner..... (Carol)
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06 Mar 2004 11:58:09 AM |
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"Tom McNamara" <rascal@surfree.com> wrote in message
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Interesting that I should find this post in
alt.psychology.behavior.internet; it might inspire a renaming of the forum
to alt.psychology.BAD.behavior.internet!
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BTW,....the NEW LIGHT is Jabriol THREATENED to hunt Carol down.
Looks like he's trying to find her to maybe... kill her?
--
Alice in Watchtowerland....
"Men (like Jabriol) never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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28 Nov 2003 07:08:40 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:20:06 -0600, "Sally Goroun DeRozes"
<noWTBS@thisHouse.edu> posted in alt.atheism:
"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:qpmdnVs5zv6XAVqi4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Uhh...yeah. That's pretty much it. Science has no idea what came before the
Big Bang, and it has no idea what caused the Big Bang.
Is there a point here?
Jabriol is suggesting that his Jehovah of the Watchtower Publishing House
"created" everything from >> POOF << nothing one fine day.
What's even more funny is that Jabriol is suggesting that he's sane.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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