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11 Aug 2004 10:26:11 AM |
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TOBS:retina |
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From: "tinroad66" <>Subject: Re: TOBS: Scientism-Leon predicts
--- In , "Karen Garrin"
<garrin@b...> wrote:
<Evidence against ID/creationism: Here are some examples of bad
design.
<1. vertebrate retina is put in backwards (ooops)
Sorry, I don't know enough about this to discuss it. Maybe you can
explain further?
Tin: Our retinas have neurons and blood vessels in front of the
photoreceptors (see any intro biology or psychology textbook). This
design leads to slighly poorer vision and the detached retina, a
historically major cause of blindness. Other organisms, squid for
example, have their retina's put in the right way.
Is there any scientific data in any science journal, that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
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<DIV>From: "tinroad66" <>Subject: Re: TOBS: Scientism-Leon predicts<BR>><BR>>--- In , "Karen Garrin"<BR>><<A href="mailto:garrin@b">garrin@b</A>...> wrote:<BR>>> <Evidence against ID/creationism: Here are some examples of bad<BR>>design.<BR>>><BR>>> <1. vertebrate retina is put in backwards (ooops)<BR>>> Sorry, I don't know enough about this to discuss it. Maybe you can<BR>>explain further?<BR>><BR>>Tin: Our retinas have neurons and blood vessels in front of the<BR>>photoreceptors (see any intro biology or psychology textbook). This<BR>>design leads to slighly poorer vision and the detached retina, a<BR>>historically major cause of blindness. Other organisms, squid for<BR>>example, have their retina's put in the right way.</DIV>
<DIV>Is there any scientific data in any science journal, that indicates<BR>that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?<BR></DIV><p>
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| User: "A.R.Dennes" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina |
11 Aug 2004 11:31:48 AM |
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In article <20040811152611.4782.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com>
jabriol <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote: Is there any
scientific data in any science journal, that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
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Let it be known that you cannot reason with a religious fanatic
and creationist such as Jabriol. Jabriol is a Jehovah's
Witness. All JWs are creationists.
Anon from NJ.
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina |
12 Aug 2004 05:20:45 AM |
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A.R.Dennes <252ARDennes@asmodeus.yi.org> wrote in message news:<96F9VXB638210.5179513889@anonymous.poster>...
In article <20040811152611.4782.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com>
jabriol <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote: Is there any
scientific data in any science journal, that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
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Let it be known that you cannot reason with a religious fanatic
and creationist such as Jabriol. Jabriol is a Jehovah's
Witness. All JWs are creationists.
Anon from NJ.
more carol remailers? LOL!!!! any one with knowledge of JW's would
know the above is false. LOL.
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| User: "PLONK-A-PERSON" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina - Jabriol, a CREATIONIST - exposed. |
12 Aug 2004 04:09:46 PM |
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"Jabriol" A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND CREATIONISTjabriol1@excite.com> wrote in
message > ---
Let it be known that you cannot reason with a religious fanatic
and creationist such as Jabriol. Jabriol is a Jehovah's
Witness. All JWs are creationists.
Anon from NJ.
more carol remailers? LOL!!!! any one with knowledge of JW's would
know the above is false. LOL.
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I post what I think of you under my own name/IP. I don't need a remailer
like you JWs do - to hide behind. You are a CREATIONIST and a JW. I'll
re-post this one from one of your good friends.
But Jabriol [Antonio J. Santana] you never answered these questions for us
and we've asked you many times.
All questions are based on Jabriol's past posts on Usenet.
Why did you fail as a family man and husband?
01. Was it because you believe a man should beat a women into submission as
you posted on the support newsgroups? You claimed you "bashed her face in"
and "grinded her face in gravel" and "whomped her head in." Your own words
quoted here.
02. Was it because you blamed your own daughter for being raped when she
rejected your cult's beliefs and wanted a normal life? Remember how you told
her and the women on the rape support groups that they "deserved it" and
they "looked for it?" You told them rape was normal but told your daughter
she was "used goods" and no man would marry her. Contradiction there, no?
You drove her over the edge then had her committed - finally the state of NJ
took custody of her [that's on Google too.] Some people believe you were the
father of her baby. Were you?
03. Was it because you married the first women who said yes?
04. Was it because you call bi~racial children "black ***** human
wannabes" and "baboons?"
05. Is it because you demand your wife "services" you like a common
prostitute?
06. Is it because you tell the depressed on support groups to commit suicide
as evolution dictates.
07. Is it because one young man named Chirs Dubois did kill himself after
your goading?
08. Was it because you then tormented his mother and then threatened her?
09. Was it because you claimed all post-menopausal women should "just die."
10. Was it because you claim there should be no chairty and if someone is
too disabled or sick to work should be left in the streets to die?
11. Was it because your disease leaves you totally impotent and even Viagra
does not work for you?
12. Was it because you said all obese people deserve to die?
13. Was it because your wife disagreed with you over your daughter but
failed to protect her from your constant verbal attacks?
14. Was it because you claimed welfare mother should have their children
removed and be sterilized?
15. Was it because you claimed all women are whores if they desire sex but
not a child from the act?
16. Was it because you said women should use coat hangers to abort
themselves?
Tell us Jabriol, what was the real reason you lost custody of your daughter
and no one in your family has anything to do with you? Why do all the people
in your congragation avoid you? Why are you the most hated man on Usenet,
even ignored and avoided by other Jehovah's Witnesses. Why do you feel lying
about other posters is justified? Is that TheocraticWarfare in practice?
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| User: "firstjois" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina - Jabriol, a CREATIONIST - exposed. |
12 Aug 2004 04:42:19 PM |
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PLONK-A-PERSON wrote:
"Jabriol" A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND CREATIONISTjabriol1@excite.com>
Just stop crossposting him!
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina - Jabriol, a CREATIONIST - exposed. |
13 Aug 2004 01:50:04 PM |
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"firstjois" <firstjoisyike@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pemdnQyK0IRweYbcRVn-uw@comcast.com>...
PLONK-A-PERSON wrote:
"Jabriol" A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND CREATIONISTjabriol1@excite.com>
Just stop crossposting him!
just complaint to
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| User: "A. Nudda Name" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina - Jabriol, a CREATIONIST - exposed. |
13 Aug 2004 05:28:47 PM |
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"Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> wrote in message
news:9e9431eb.0408131050.5306945b@posting.google.com...
"firstjois" <firstjoisyike@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<pemdnQyK0IRweYbcRVn-uw@comcast.com>...
PLONK-A-PERSON wrote:
"Jabriol" A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND CREATIONISTjabriol1@excite.com>
Just stop crossposting him!
just complaint to
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Complain to *someone else's ISP* because YOU crosspost all the messages?
Maybe they should complain to YOUR ISP?
Looks like you're using Verizon these days. It doesn't matter because
everyone has you killfiled.
--
NuName.........
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. One wants to arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price."~ Hjalmar Soderberg
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina |
11 Aug 2004 02:37:48 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT), jabriol
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
From: "tinroad66" <>Subject: Re: TOBS: Scientism-Leon predicts
--- In , "Karen Garrin"
<garrin@b...> wrote:
<Evidence against ID/creationism: Here are some examples of bad
design.
<1. vertebrate retina is put in backwards (ooops)
Sorry, I don't know enough about this to discuss it. Maybe you can
explain further?
Tin: Our retinas have neurons and blood vessels in front of the
photoreceptors (see any intro biology or psychology textbook). This
design leads to slighly poorer vision and the detached retina, a
historically major cause of blindness. Other organisms, squid for
example, have their retina's put in the right way.
Is there any scientific data in any science journal, that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
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Do you Yahoo!?
Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
Here's some links I found, as I've had a retinal rip in one eye and a
detachment in the other, a year apart.
WARNING - if you are over 40 and have any symptoms described,
particularly flashing lights, stop wasting your sight reading, and
run, not walk to an ophthalmologist. Stop your life and save your
eyes.
http://www.theretinasource.com/conditions/retinal_detachment.htm
Here's a link to a more technical description about serious eye
disorders:
http://www.vrmny.com/default.asp
Maybe not exactly what you are looking for but offered for free.
Here's another:
http://www.sightwise.org/
Be sure to follow the links within, these main URL's did not trigger
Spybot, though.
drift
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| User: "Thore \Tocis\ Schmechtig" |
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11 Aug 2004 04:12:57 PM |
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jabriol wrote:
Is there any scientific data in any science journal, that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
Try any decent school book on biology.
--
Regards
Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig
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| User: "Jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS:retina |
12 Aug 2004 05:21:45 AM |
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"Thore \"Tocis\" Schmechtig" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message news:<2nvgcjF525d1U5@uni-berlin.de>...
jabriol wrote:
Try any decent school book on biology.
sure... now then Is there any scientific data in any science journal, that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
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| User: "Mark" |
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12 Aug 2004 07:58:47 AM |
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Jabriol wrote:
"Thore \"Tocis\" Schmechtig" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message news:<2nvgcjF525d1U5@uni-berlin.de>...
jabriol wrote:
Try any decent school book on biology.
sure... now then Is there any scientific data in any science journal, that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
where do you think the text books originally get the information?
the authors (scientists) review and explain what has been
learned and published.
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| User: "PLONK-A-PERSON" |
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12 Aug 2004 04:14:27 PM |
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"Mark" <nospam@nspam.com> wrote in message
news:bQJSc.187$ZK5.6772@news.tufts.edu...
Jabriol wrote:
"Thore \"Tocis\" Schmechtig" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in
message news:<2nvgcjF525d1U5@uni-berlin.de>...
jabriol wrote:
Try any decent school book on biology.
sure... now then Is there any scientific data in any science journal,
that indicates
that the Human Retina is of poor design in comparison to a squid?
where do you think the text books originally get the information?
the authors (scientists) review and explain what has been
learned and published.
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Jabriol's science and biology information comes from the Watchtower Bible
and Track Society's books and bi-monthly magazines. This literature is as
unscientific as you can get. The writers are all temporary volunteers and
few have degrees in anything. Some don't even have HS education's.
And Jabriol is a CREATIONIST. All JWs are.
--
Mrs. PLONK in Watchtowerland....
http://www.intrex.net/talley/list7_13.html
So many sheep, so much fleecing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ><>
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