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Religions > Atheism |
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"Brian Westley" |
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05 Nov 2003 10:03:58 AM |
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today's doubletalk on the pledge: |
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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05 Nov 2003 12:08:42 PM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3fa91f6e$0$75895$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
And don't forget the typical revisionist history claim by that Buckingham
half-wit that "America was founded as a Christian country". Can't have a
good Pledge debate without some poor, uneducated moron pulling that one out
of his *****.
turk
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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05 Nov 2003 04:17:35 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> thought hard and said:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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Of course not! It means... ummm... oh, *****. I forgot.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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05 Nov 2003 09:09:17 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:17:35 -0600, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> thought hard and said:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
Of course not! It means... ummm... oh, *****. I forgot.
That means you once knew. That's more than Christianity can say.
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"religion did for *****, what Stonehenge did for rocks"
- The World Famous Tink
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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05 Nov 2003 04:16:27 PM |
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Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3fa91f6e$0$75895$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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So the word "God" doesn't mean "God". In fact, it doesn't mean anything.
Well, as an atheist I can agree, but perhaps these believers should ask
themselves whether they *really* want to protect their religion by
literally stripping it of all meaning?
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to be fearful of the night." | http://www.ebonmusings.org
--Tombstone epitaph of | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
two amateur astronomers, | ICQ: 8777843
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| User: "J McCoy" |
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06 Nov 2003 02:19:47 AM |
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"Adam Marczyk" <ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<%Eeqb.2821$D56.272@news02.roc.ny>...
Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3fa91f6e$0$75895$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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So the word "God" doesn't mean "God". In fact, it doesn't mean anything.
Well, as an atheist I can agree, but perhaps these believers should ask
themselves whether they *really* want to protect their religion by
literally stripping it of all meaning?
You want to talk about double talk? What about:
"What's conspicuously lacking here is a real debate where each side
actually responds to the arguments of the other."
-Adam Marczyk
What is interesting is that you keep bringing up the gen2rev check and
won't actually respond to my arguments.
JM
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05 Nov 2003 02:29:35 PM |
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On 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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Merlyn LeRoy
Well of course! After all a day does not actually mean a day in the
Bible either.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Nov 2003 10:15:22 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
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Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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05 Nov 2003 04:18:15 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> thought hard and said:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
The Great Green Cucumber is the True Savior of the universe!
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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06 Nov 2003 01:20:14 AM |
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In article <aotiqvov93igt6phgp3ih6nk1nd152ik5q@4ax.com>,
Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> thought hard and said:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
The Great Green Cucumber is the True Savior of the universe!
....who was sliced into the salad for our sins!
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John Hachmann, aa #1782
-Question authority. Now more than ever.-
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06 Nov 2003 12:38:18 AM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:18:15 -0600, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> thought hard and said:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
The Great Green Cucumber is the True Savior of the universe!
BURP!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Nov 2003 08:44:55 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:18:15 -0600, Daniel Kolle wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> thought hard and said:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
The Great Green Cucumber is the True Savior of the universe!
HALLAAAALOOOOOOOOOYAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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05 Nov 2003 09:15:01 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:18:15 -0600, Daniel Kolle wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> thought hard and said:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
The Great Green Cucumber is the True Savior of the universe!
HALLAAAALOOOOOOOOOYAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
"My cucumber is bigger than your cucumber" -- Gen. Boykin
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Nov 2003 09:42:46 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 03:15:01 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:18:15 -0600, Daniel Kolle wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> thought hard and said:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
The Great Green Cucumber is the True Savior of the universe!
HALLAAAALOOOOOOOOOYAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
"My cucumber is bigger than your cucumber" -- Gen. Boykin
"I knew his cucumber was only a pickle!"
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Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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05 Nov 2003 10:34:56 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one nation
under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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05 Nov 2003 01:53:46 PM |
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John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in
news:oj9iqvg3j62gj61m2dcjjfn1n8gglhpm7o@4ax.com:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one nation
under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
But I don't like cucumbers. Pickles, yes. But why should cucumbers get all
the favoritism? Why not squash, or alfalfa sprouts?
....or is it some sort of strange sexual thing?
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Dr. Smartass, who wants to know!
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Your primitive religion amuses me. Bring me your finest meats and cheeses.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Nov 2003 01:39:48 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:53:46 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in
news:oj9iqvg3j62gj61m2dcjjfn1n8gglhpm7o@4ax.com:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one nation
under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
But I don't like cucumbers. Pickles, yes. But why should cucumbers get all
the favoritism? Why not squash, or alfalfa sprouts?
...or is it some sort of strange sexual thing?
You have to ask?
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Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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06 Nov 2003 06:11:55 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in
news:pan.2003.11.06.19.39.47.514008@eac.org:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:53:46 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in
news:oj9iqvg3j62gj61m2dcjjfn1n8gglhpm7o@4ax.com:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god,"
they mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one
nation under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
But I don't like cucumbers. Pickles, yes. But why should cucumbers
get all the favoritism? Why not squash, or alfalfa sprouts?
...or is it some sort of strange sexual thing?
You have to ask?
Well, this _is_ a.a. ... one never knows, does one? ;)
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Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Your primitive religion amuses me. Bring me your finest meats and cheeses.
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05 Nov 2003 11:04:02 AM |
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John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one nation
under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
This line jumped out at me:
“I think it would be arrogant of this country to not
acknowledge that there is some higher power greater
than this country,” he said.
Yes, Me. Wenrich, there is a higher power, and it begins "We the
People".
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| Title: AQOTM nom (was: Re: today's doubletalk on the pledge:) |
05 Nov 2003 01:35:57 PM |
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TV's L. Raymond wrote:
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
...
If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god,"
they mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one
nation under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
This line jumped out at me:
“I think it would be arrogant of this country to not
acknowledge that there is some higher power greater
than this country,” he said.
<begin nominated portion>
Yes, Me. Wenrich, there is a higher power, and it begins "We the
People".
<end nominated portion>
Seconds?
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Sometimes God takes those closest to us, because it makes him feel
better about himself. He is a very vengeful God. He's all *****
about something we did thousands of years ago. He just can't get over
it, so he doesn't care who he takes. Children, puppies, it don't matter
to him, so long as it makes us sad...God gives us life and love and
help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can
drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears that give
God his great power.
aa #2133
apatriot #19
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05 Nov 2003 04:45:07 PM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's L. Raymond wrote:
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
...
If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god,"
they mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one
nation under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
This line jumped out at me:
“I think it would be arrogant of this country to not
acknowledge that there is some higher power greater
than this country,” he said.
<begin nominated portion>
Yes, Me. Wenrich, there is a higher power, and it begins "We the
People".
<end nominated portion>
Seconds?
Seconded
--
It seems odd that those who scoff at sun worshippers are apt to worship
a vacuum.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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07 Nov 2003 03:51:58 PM |
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In article <FaidnSvgBMPl4DSiRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
Tink <kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote:
towelie wrote:
TV's L. Raymond wrote:
John Hattan <john@thecodezone.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
...
If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god,"
they mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one
nation under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
This line jumped out at me:
³I think it would be arrogant of this country to not
acknowledge that there is some higher power greater
than this country,² he said.
<begin nominated portion>
Yes, Me. Wenrich, there is a higher power, and it begins "We the
People".
<end nominated portion>
Seconds?
Seconded
Recorded.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Nov 2003 08:45:29 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:34:56 -0600, John Hattan wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
I wonder if Snook would be willing to change the wording to "one nation
under cucumbers", since it apparently doesn't imply anything.
It, after all, may or may not imply a vegetable.
Like Snook...
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Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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06 Nov 2003 05:29:27 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:15:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:03:58 +0000, Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
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If "god" doesn't mean god then when they preach at us about "god," they
mean cucumbers?
And if they truly believe what they say, why don't they change it to
"a god" - no capital? After all, only one deity on the planet is
known by its followers as "God" (proper pronoun).
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L8r,
Bill, The Avender
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A pessimist would see a hole in the ozone layer as increased exposure to deadly UV rays.
An optimist would see it as an opportunity to get free, unlimited tanning.
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05 Nov 2003 01:32:15 PM |
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TV's Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
More lies from that article, “America was founded as a Christian country.”
Seems Mr. Buckingham needs to take a remedial US history class.
--
Sometimes God takes those closest to us, because it makes him feel
better about himself. He is a very vengeful God. He's all *****
about something we did thousands of years ago. He just can't get over
it, so he doesn't care who he takes. Children, puppies, it don't matter
to him, so long as it makes us sad...God gives us life and love and
help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can
drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears that give
God his great power.
aa #2133
apatriot #19
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05 Nov 2003 09:06:19 PM |
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:32:15 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
TV's Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
More lies from that article, “America was founded as a Christian country.”
Seems Mr. Buckingham needs to take a remedial US history class.
Seems he needs to take a remedial thinking course:
“While we welcome people from other countries, that doesn’t give them
the right to change things. If they don’t want to say it our way, they
can go back to the country they came from.”
I guess he means that he's going back to England, or wherever his
ancestors came from. Who gave him the right to change the religion of
the land, worship of the Manitou?
--
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "towelie" |
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05 Nov 2003 01:34:34 PM |
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TV's Brian Westley wrote:
http://ydr.com/story/main/15341/
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Snook said Tuesday the word god doesn't have to imply God, or any
other god, at all.
More lunacy: "Board member Alan Bonsell said during the meeting that the
pledge’s reference to God did not imply a Christian god or any specific god.
'The pledge is voluntary,' Bonsell said. 'And for those that say it, it can
mean any god they want.'”
The Christian religion is the only major religion that calls its deity
"God".
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Sometimes God takes those closest to us, because it makes him feel
better about himself. He is a very vengeful God. He's all *****
about something we did thousands of years ago. He just can't get over
it, so he doesn't care who he takes. Children, puppies, it don't matter
to him, so long as it makes us sad...God gives us life and love and
help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can
drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears that give
God his great power.
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