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"societopia.net" |
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15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 PM |
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Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
Is deliberate criticism welcome in any atheist population in the same manner
as atheists complain that they are not allowed to criticize religious
people? Do you have examples of atheist communities that tolerated criticism
within its ranks? Or do atheists conceive deliberate criticism as unwelcome
and hostile that should be met with degradation and punishment?
Can you, as an atheist, describe whether personally you find a meaning for
"tolerance" in life or not? Where would you drive its meaning from in your
personal life?
Would you be kind enough to provide examples? What did you do when people
did not match your expectations of what you considered "tolerance" towards
you? What did you do when they did?
Would you be kind enough to provide examples of situations where you faced
deliberate criticism and not considered them as insult to your ego?
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Jez" |
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15 Jun 2005 06:40:55 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in
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Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning
(if any exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
You don't half ask some stupid fucking questions.
Haven't you got anything better to do that annoy us with your pathetic
tartuffery ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Katt" |
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15 Jun 2005 06:50:41 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9676C8375E7D8hellward@216.
tartuffery ?
Good word use!
Katt.
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| User: "Jez" |
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15 Jun 2005 09:24:43 PM |
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"Katt" <seruhshjaudn@dfhu.net> wrote in news:5M_re.10786$q46.7518
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9676C8375E7D8hellward@216.
tartuffery ?
Good word use!
Why thank you !
It might have been better if I'd put 'than annoy', rather than, 'that
annoy.'.
Typos eh...don't ya love 'em !
:)
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Rally_Round" |
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15 Jun 2005 04:31:48 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in message
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God bless you,
Didn't your god tell you to spiritually masterbate in the closet and not
in public?
How about the "shake the dust from your feet" part. How 'bout trying
that strategy?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
15 Jun 2005 05:27:08 PM |
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Rally_Round wrote:
Didn't your god tell you to spiritually masterbate in the closet and not
in public?
How about the "shake the dust from your feet" part. How 'bout trying
that strategy?
What? Expecting our little societopiopath to have actually *read*
his book of fables?
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "John Baker" |
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15 Jun 2005 01:58:51 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
Sure it does. But I've had all I can tolerate of you.
<PLONK!>
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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15 Jun 2005 03:32:41 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
Sure it does. But I've had all I can tolerate of you.
I have not yet :-)
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Kate " |
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15 Jun 2005 01:49:02 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
There is no such thing as atheist philosophers as a cohesive group.
Any more than there is such a thing as aeaster bunny philosophers.
Is deliberate criticism welcome in any atheist population in the same manner
as atheists complain that they are not allowed to criticize religious
people? Do you have examples of atheist communities that tolerated criticism
within its ranks? Or do atheists conceive deliberate criticism as unwelcome
and hostile that should be met with degradation and punishment?
No more or less than in the aeaster bunny population.
Can you, as an atheist, describe whether personally you find a meaning for
"tolerance" in life or not? Where would you drive its meaning from in your
personal life?
Atheists tolerate reality, theists don't. Next question.
Would you be kind enough to provide examples?
No.
What did you do when people
did not match your expectations of what you considered "tolerance" towards
you? What did you do when they did?
Stood up for myself when I felt it was safe.
Would you be kind enough to provide examples of situations where you faced
deliberate criticism and not considered them as insult to your ego?
School. Work. Family. Relationships. Hobbies. Business. You don't
have any experience with any of those?
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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16 Jun 2005 05:21:17 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:42fb2fc6.1639867296@news-west.newscene.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
There is no such thing as atheist philosophers as a cohesive group.
Any more than there is such a thing as aeaster bunny philosophers.
No wonder you still ask for a proof that God exists. BTW, does any thing
exist around where you "believe" that you exist? :-)
What are your means of verifying evidence? What faculties do you employ to
ascertain any evidence?
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Kate " |
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16 Jun 2005 05:49:01 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:21:17 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:42fb2fc6.1639867296@news-west.newscene.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
There is no such thing as atheist philosophers as a cohesive group.
Any more than there is such a thing as aeaster bunny philosophers.
No wonder you still ask for a proof that God exists. BTW, does any thing
exist around where you "believe" that you exist? :-)
Now that was a non sequituer and didn't follow at all. Do you just
say stuff at random and think people will assume you are actually
following the conversation?
What are your means of verifying evidence? What faculties do you employ to
ascertain any evidence?
My personal means? Why do you care? I don't represent all atheists.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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16 Jun 2005 11:47:11 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:21:17 GMT, "societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net>
wrote:
No wonder you still ask for a proof that God exists. BTW, does any thing
exist around where you "believe" that you exist? :-)
What are your means of verifying evidence? What faculties do you employ to
ascertain any evidence?
Oh dear, another bloody solipsist.
There is no point attempting to communicate with a solipsist.
Bye, bye.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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21 Jun 2005 09:53:00 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:47:11 -0500, Dubh Ghall wrote
(in article <tn34b1l633b57icit4rjhgah26i09bspf7@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:21:17 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net>
wrote:
No wonder you still ask for a proof that God exists. BTW, does any thing
exist around where you "believe" that you exist? :-)
What are your means of verifying evidence? What faculties do you employ to
ascertain any evidence?
Oh dear, another bloody solipsist.
There is no point attempting to communicate with a solipsist.
Yup, and using their "thinking," they are only arguing with themselves.
Which, strangely enough, turns out to be pretty much what happens, sooner or
later.
Bye, bye.
He went "Bye, bye" after his 3rd post.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Letting loafing leaves lie, leads lamentably to large lizard
liquidation?"-Zamboni
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
15 Jun 2005 11:26:00 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
The only thing that atheists have in common is that we don't believe
in deities.
As far as "tolerance" is concerned, I don't suffer idiots gladly, and
you're reaching the breaking point rather rapidly.
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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| Title: Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
16 Jun 2005 12:08:19 AM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
The only thing that atheists have in common is that we don't believe
in deities.
As far as "tolerance" is concerned, I don't suffer idiots gladly, and
you're reaching the breaking point rather rapidly.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Jez" |
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16 Jun 2005 06:18:01 PM |
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"societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> wrote in
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:j5e1b156kddbjt99jki194sl08ilcjitag@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning
(if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
The only thing that atheists have in common is that we don't believe
in deities.
As far as "tolerance" is concerned, I don't suffer idiots gladly, and
you're reaching the breaking point rather rapidly.
God bless you,
Did he sneeze ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
16 Jun 2005 05:07:01 AM |
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"societopia.net" wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:j5e1b156kddbjt99jki194sl08ilcjitag@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
The only thing that atheists have in common is that we don't believe
in deities.
As far as "tolerance" is concerned, I don't suffer idiots gladly, and
you're reaching the breaking point rather rapidly.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
what a primitive comment!
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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16 Jun 2005 05:21:45 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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what a primitive comment!
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Bill Door" |
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16 Jun 2005 09:41:54 AM |
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In the great debate about "Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos" in
alt.atheism, "societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net> catapaulted
the following boulder:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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what a primitive comment!
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
Aaah CHOO!!!!
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
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| User: "raven1" |
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18 Jun 2005 07:46:40 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:08:19 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:j5e1b156kddbjt99jki194sl08ilcjitag@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
The only thing that atheists have in common is that we don't believe
in deities.
As far as "tolerance" is concerned, I don't suffer idiots gladly, and
you're reaching the breaking point rather rapidly.
God bless you,
Fnord.
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Katt" |
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19 Jun 2005 02:32:03 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:08:19 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
God bless you,
And *dog ***** you*.
Katt.
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| User: "raven1" |
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16 Jun 2005 07:34:20 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:08:19 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:j5e1b156kddbjt99jki194sl08ilcjitag@4ax.com...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net"
<societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if
any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
The only thing that atheists have in common is that we don't believe
in deities.
As far as "tolerance" is concerned, I don't suffer idiots gladly, and
you're reaching the breaking point rather rapidly.
God bless you,
The gostak distims the doshes.
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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16 Jun 2005 12:12:51 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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The gostak distims the doshes.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "JPG" |
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15 Jun 2005 04:03:45 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net>
wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
Is deliberate criticism welcome in any atheist population in the same manner
as atheists complain that they are not allowed to criticize religious
people? Do you have examples of atheist communities that tolerated criticism
within its ranks? Or do atheists conceive deliberate criticism as unwelcome
and hostile that should be met with degradation and punishment?
Can you, as an atheist, describe whether personally you find a meaning for
"tolerance" in life or not? Where would you drive its meaning from in your
personal life?
Would you be kind enough to provide examples? What did you do when people
did not match your expectations of what you considered "tolerance" towards
you? What did you do when they did?
Would you be kind enough to provide examples of situations where you faced
deliberate criticism and not considered them as insult to your ego?
God bless you,
I do not wish to be "blessed" by your imaginary sky-being - that is not a
criticism.
Why should you think that atheists are any diffferent to anyone else when it
comes to giving or taking criticism? Could it be that your question is loaded?
Do I detect the whiff of straw?
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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16 Jun 2005 03:27:15 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net>
wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
Define, "the atheist disposition".
Is deliberate criticism welcome in any atheist population
Provided the critic has some idea of what he is criticising, there is no
problem.
The problems arise, when some brain dead, theist fuckwit, starts to tell us what
we are, and how we behave, his sole source of information being other brain
dead, theist fuckwits, and usenet.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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16 Jun 2005 03:41:17 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:06:55 GMT, "societopia.net" <societopia@societopia.net>
wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
No.
But then, I find philosophy, to be a total waste of time and effort.
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Bill Door" |
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| Title: Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
15 Jun 2005 04:05:37 PM |
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Religion *is* intolerance.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
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| User: "" |
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15 Jun 2005 01:18:56 PM |
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societopia.net wrote:
Are you aware of any writings of atheist philosophers on the meaning (if any
exists) of "Tolerance" in the atheist disposition?
Is deliberate criticism welcome in any atheist population in the same manner
as atheists complain that they are not allowed to criticize religious
people?
It depends. If the criticism is rude or condescending, then no. It is
not welcome. Similarly, if the criticism is of the form "there is a
God" then no, that is not welcome in newsgroups whose rules
specifically state that protelysing is not allowed. Similarly, I doubt
a Christian Churc would particularly welcome an atheist who ran into
the building shouting "There is no god"
Do you have examples of atheist communities that tolerated criticism
within its ranks? Or do atheists conceive deliberate criticism as unwelcome
and hostile that should be met with degradation and punishment?
Can you, as an atheist, describe whether personally you find a meaning for
"tolerance" in life or not? Where would you drive its meaning from in your
personal life?
Depends. I tolerate somethings, not other things.
Would you be kind enough to provide examples?
Certainly. I can happily tolerate people who believe in God. I do not
however, tolerate people who turn every conversation to the subject of
God, or who tell me I am stupid or evil for not believing in their God.
What did you do when people
did not match your expectations of what you considered "tolerance" towards
you? What did you do when they did?
I generally end the conversation and walk away, or try to change the
subject. If they persist, then I avoid that person in future.
Would you be kind enough to provide examples of situations where you faced
deliberate criticism and not considered them as insult to your ego?
Every single day someone criticises some aspect of what I do. I am not
perfect, so there will be an almost endless list of things that someone
has suggested that I did not do perfectly. Wether it be at work,
someone suggesting that I format something differently or what have
you, or in playing sport where someone will tell me that I passed to
the wrong person, or hit the ball less well than I might. None of those
are an insult to my "ego".
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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15 Jun 2005 08:35:54 PM |
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<Donalbain@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Similarly, if the criticism is of the form "there is a
God" then no, that is not welcome in newsgroups whose rules
specifically state that protelysing is not allowed.
The Soviet Union, China and others had their rules too. Rules which
collided with freedom of expression have proven not real. They are
fictitious products of inflated egos. Now you are even advocating applying
the same to Cyberspace; which I believe is currently the case in China too.
Ideas know no boundary.
Similarly, I doubt
a Christian Churc would particularly welcome an atheist who ran into
the building shouting "There is no god"
Ok. Let's break this question into its components; are you saying that
Atheism for you is a religion? I thought that atheism was the rejection of
religions altogether. Is this forum an "atheist church"? Are alt.christ*
newsgroups some form of churches? Do imagine cyberspace to work as
protected enclaves whose followers are fighting to keep each other out?
Do you have examples of atheist communities that tolerated criticism
within its ranks? Or do atheists conceive deliberate criticism as
unwelcome
and hostile that should be met with degradation and punishment?
Can you, as an atheist, describe whether personally you find a meaning
for
"tolerance" in life or not? Where would you drive its meaning from in
your
personal life?
Depends. I tolerate somethings, not other things.
Would you be kind enough to provide examples?
Certainly. I can happily tolerate people who believe in God. I do not
however, tolerate people who turn every conversation to the subject of
God, or who tell me I am stupid or evil for not believing in their God.
Exactly. That's why there are public forums for discussions that you can
visit if you wish to discuss society, food, travel, philosophy, atheism,
religion, etc. You choose which newsgroups you like (I happened to choose
this one) and which subjects and authors to read. None is forcing you to
read. None is forcing you to act. None is going to punish you if just drop
the entire newsgroup and watch TV instead.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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| User: "Abner Mintz" |
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| Title: Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
15 Jun 2005 10:08:36 PM |
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societopia.net <societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
The Soviet Union, China and others had their rules too. Rules which
collided with freedom of expression have proven not real. They are
fictitious products of inflated egos. Now you are even advocating applying
the same to Cyberspace; which I believe is currently the case in China too.
Ideas know no boundary.
There's a big difference between 'not welcome' and 'not allowed'. He
said proselytizing was not welcome - in other words, if you do it,
you're being rude and will be thought of poorly, perhaps even referred
to with condemning words - which is also part of freedom of expression.
He didn't say anything about making you *unable* to proselytize - he
did not advocate what you are falsely saying he did.
Do you really think that being unwelcoming is the same as what
occurs in China or the Soviet Union or (for that matter) places
like Iran where atheism is punishable by death? I think your
perspective is a bit warped if you equate 'unwelcome' with
repression.
Ok. Let's break this question into its components; are you saying that
Atheism for you is a religion?
No - he's saying that freedom of expression doesn't mean that there
aren't places where saying certain things isn't rude and inappropriate.
Another analogy would be that your proselytizing here is like posting
recipes to rec.pets.cats, or saying crude come-ons in a rape-survivor
discussion group.
I thought that atheism was the rejection of religions altogether.
Nope - it's not believing in any gods. There are atheistic religions
- and religious atheists can belong to them, while non-religious
atheists don't belong to them. For instance, it's possible to be
an atheistic buddhist.
Is this forum an "atheist church"?
No - it's just a place where it is rude to proselytize, just as it would
be rude to cry 'There is no god' in a church or to cry 'Dog stew is
delicious' at a PETA meeting.
Exactly. That's why there are public forums for discussions that you can
visit if you wish to discuss society, food, travel, philosophy, atheism,
religion, etc. You choose which newsgroups you like (I happened to choose
this one) and which subjects and authors to read. None is forcing you to
read. None is forcing you to act. None is going to punish you if just drop
the entire newsgroup and watch TV instead.
So, would you feel it appropriate to post crude come-ons in a
rape survivor group? If not, you are admitting that there are
places where expressing certain viewpoints, *while not illegal
or punishable* would certainly be inappropriate - and often
inappropriate behavior is met with outrage or derision.
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| User: "societopia.net" |
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| Title: Re: Tolerance in the atheist ethos |
15 Jun 2005 10:28:22 PM |
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"Abner Mintz" <abnermintz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1gy7lws.1k1txy1e38ymgN%abnermintz@earthlink.net...
societopia.net <societopia@societopia.net> wrote:
The Soviet Union, China and others had their rules too. Rules which
collided with freedom of expression have proven not real. They are
fictitious products of inflated egos. Now you are even advocating
applying
the same to Cyberspace; which I believe is currently the case in China
too.
Ideas know no boundary.
There's a big difference between 'not welcome' and 'not allowed'. He
said proselytizing was not welcome - in other words, if you do it,
you're being rude and will be thought of poorly, perhaps even referred
to with condemning words - which is also part of freedom of expression.
He didn't say anything about making you *unable* to proselytize - he
did not advocate what you are falsely saying he did.
You are hanging your entire argument on a false premise that the people who
set you up on this forum made you believe that it was the reason you should
behave with violence; that false premise is a word called "proselytize" It
is a smokescreen, my friend. I was responding to discussions on faith using
my own references to my opinions.
Did I induce you to convert any religion? What religion is that? How did I
induce you? What did I promise you? What did I warn you of?
I am not even a member of a church :-)
Do not follow violent gangs who can justify violent actions by meaningless
words if only they appease your ego and convince you that you became special
by following their footsteps. Have your own mind. Let values guide your
intellect and protect it from such deceptions.
God bless you,
www.societopia.net
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