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"Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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14 Apr 2005 08:17:31 AM |
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Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
Because it's all the Democrat's fault that he was taking money from
Russain firms or that he was paying "fees" to his wife and daughter.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2005/04/13/blame/index.html
April 13, 2005 | Washington -- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay,
hoping to hold support among fellow Republicans, urged GOP senators
Tuesday to blame Democrats if asked about his ethics controversy and
accused the news media of twisting supportive comments so they sounded
like criticism.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1546 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Syd Maniac" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
14 Apr 2005 04:38:29 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Because it's all the Democrat's fault that he was taking money from
Russain firms or that he was paying "fees" to his wife and daughter.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2005/04/13/blame/index.html
April 13, 2005 | Washington -- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay,
hoping to hold support among fellow Republicans, urged GOP senators
Tuesday to blame Democrats if asked about his ethics controversy and
accused the news media of twisting supportive comments so they
sounded
like criticism.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1546 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and
mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
Ri-i-ight...
And this is the party of "Personal Responsibility"..
Ri-i-ight...
PDW AA#
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
14 Apr 2005 05:21:10 PM |
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"Syd Maniac" <dimstyle@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1113496709.798520.327200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Because it's all the Democrat's fault that he was taking money from
Russain firms or that he was paying "fees" to his wife and daughter.
So it's wrong to put family members on the payroll?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
f=/n/a/2005/04/13/national/w124553D99.DTL
_ House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas: Wife and daughter were paid
more than $500,000 since 2001 for working for DeLay's campaign and
political action committees.
_ Connecticut Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman: Son Matthew received about
$34,000 and daughter Rebecca about $36,000 for working on the senator's
2004 presidential campaign.
_ Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Wash.: Nephew Todd Reichert was paid $3,000 last
year, plus several hundred dollars for mileage, for serving as driver.
_ California Democratic Rep. Fortney "Pete" Stark: Wife Deborah earns
$2,400 a month for serving as campaign consultant.
_ Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif.: Wife Arlene Willis serves as congressional
chief of staff at a salary of nearly $111,000.
_ Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich.: Wife Laurie Stupak earned about $36,000
annually the past two years as the finance director for her husband's
campaign.
_ Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio: Wife Elizabeth was paid about $1,730 a month
during his 2004 campaign. She has worked as a campaign consultant for
him since the 2001 election cycle.
_ Rep. Jim Costa, D-Calif.: Cousin Ken Costa made about $45,000 for
serving as a co-campaign manager last year.
_ Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah: Three college-age children worked on his
campaign last year. Emily was paid $5,425, Jane $9,508 and Laura
$17,766.
_ Rep. Lincoln Davis, D-Tenn.: Sister-in-law Sharon Davis has been his
campaign treasurer since 1994,and daughter Libby Davis was his campaign
coordinator in the last half of 2004. Libby Davis was paid about $2,334
a month; Sharon Davis was paid about $1,000 a month for bookkeeping last
year.
_ Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, employs his wife, Kathy, as his campaign
manager. She was paid $21,791 over four months, including a $7,500 bonus
last November.
_ New York Democratic Rep. Tim Bishop: Daughter Molly was paid $46,995
as his 2004 campaign's finance director.
_ California Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher: Wife Rhonda Carmony makes
$40,000 a year as his campaign manager
[end cite]
And don't forget Barbara Boxer (if only we could!):
http://www.nationalreview.com/beltway/060629.html
The San Francisco Chronicle today runs its own list of congressional
members who have relatives on their campaign payrolls. Like the Los
Angeles Times link below, the Chronicle leads with DeLay. That shouldn’t
be surprising and it makes sense since the bias reporting of the New
York Times provided the catalyst for this story.
However, in their mostly bipartisan list, the Chronicle for whatever
reason chooses to exclude the nearly $150,000 paid by home state Senator
Barbara Boxer to her son’s consulting firm over the past few years. Over
10 of California’s 53-member, mostly Democratic House delegation have
family members on their payroll.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
14 Apr 2005 06:26:33 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
So it's wrong to put family members on the payroll?
It's unethical.
One way they could launder money from contributions
is by padding the payroll. In this day & age it's
virtually impossible to invent fictional employees
(they require proof of citizenship & social security
numbers).
Gone are the days when a politician can "Hire"
the family pet.
Alternatives to this tried & true method are hiring
dead people and/or family members. Family
members are the most obvious choice, as discovery
of the dead person immediately exposes the fraud.
Family members do offer some level of "Plausible
deniability."
It requires accusers to go an extra step, a difficult
step, and "Prove" that the family member did not
actually work for the politician, or that they were
grossly overcompensated for their efforts. Rather
than ensuring that representatives of the people
are honest & trustworthy, the situation opens the
possibility of wrong doing, then burdens the
people to prove that it is not true.
To avoid such a situation we have "Ethics."
Ethical behavior avoids the appearance of wrong
doing, eliminates the possibility of any accusation.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
15 Apr 2005 04:01:56 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Syd Maniac" <dimstyle@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1113496709.798520.327200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Because it's all the Democrat's fault that he was taking money from
Russain firms or that he was paying "fees" to his wife and daughter.
So it's wrong to put family members on the payroll?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
f=/n/a/2005/04/13/national/w124553D99.DTL
_ House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas: Wife and daughter were paid
more than $500,000 since 2001 for working for DeLay's campaign and
political action committees.
_ Connecticut Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman: Son Matthew received about
$34,000 and daughter Rebecca about $36,000 for working on the senator's
2004 presidential campaign.
_ Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Wash.: Nephew Todd Reichert was paid $3,000 last
year, plus several hundred dollars for mileage, for serving as driver.
_ California Democratic Rep. Fortney "Pete" Stark: Wife Deborah earns
$2,400 a month for serving as campaign consultant.
_ Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif.: Wife Arlene Willis serves as congressional
chief of staff at a salary of nearly $111,000.
_ Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich.: Wife Laurie Stupak earned about $36,000
annually the past two years as the finance director for her husband's
campaign.
_ Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio: Wife Elizabeth was paid about $1,730 a month
during his 2004 campaign. She has worked as a campaign consultant for
him since the 2001 election cycle.
_ Rep. Jim Costa, D-Calif.: Cousin Ken Costa made about $45,000 for
serving as a co-campaign manager last year.
_ Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah: Three college-age children worked on his
campaign last year. Emily was paid $5,425, Jane $9,508 and Laura
$17,766.
_ Rep. Lincoln Davis, D-Tenn.: Sister-in-law Sharon Davis has been his
campaign treasurer since 1994,and daughter Libby Davis was his campaign
coordinator in the last half of 2004. Libby Davis was paid about $2,334
a month; Sharon Davis was paid about $1,000 a month for bookkeeping last
year.
_ Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, employs his wife, Kathy, as his campaign
manager. She was paid $21,791 over four months, including a $7,500 bonus
last November.
_ New York Democratic Rep. Tim Bishop: Daughter Molly was paid $46,995
as his 2004 campaign's finance director.
_ California Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher: Wife Rhonda Carmony makes
$40,000 a year as his campaign manager
[end cite]
And don't forget Barbara Boxer (if only we could!):
http://www.nationalreview.com/beltway/060629.html
The San Francisco Chronicle today runs its own list of congressional
members who have relatives on their campaign payrolls. Like the Los
Angeles Times link below, the Chronicle leads with DeLay. That shouldn’t
be surprising and it makes sense since the bias reporting of the New
York Times provided the catalyst for this story.
However, in their mostly bipartisan list, the Chronicle for whatever
reason chooses to exclude the nearly $150,000 paid by home state Senator
Barbara Boxer to her son’s consulting firm over the past few years. Over
10 of California’s 53-member, mostly Democratic House delegation have
family members on their payroll.
Well, your political parties seem to be morally corrupt. Time to
practice your 2nd Amendment, I guess...
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
14 Apr 2005 06:32:36 PM |
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Le Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:21:10 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
_ House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas: Wife and daughter were paid
more than $500,000 since 2001 for working for DeLay's campaign and
political action committees.
That's almost an order of magnitude more than the other you cited.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
14 Apr 2005 10:22:31 PM |
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Divin Marquis <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:pan.2005.04.14.18.32.36.768717@127.0.0.1:
Le Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:21:10 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
_ House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas: Wife and daughter were paid
more than $500,000 since 2001 for working for DeLay's campaign and
political action committees.
That's almost an order of magnitude more than the other you cited.
That doesn't change the fact that it's a common practice.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
14 Apr 2005 11:24:01 PM |
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Le Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:22:31 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
That's almost an order of magnitude more than the other you cited.
That doesn't change the fact that it's a common practice.
Ok so you admit that DeLay is 10 times worse than anyone else in his
ethical breaches.
Duely noted.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Tom DeLay Urges GOP to Blame Democrats For His Scandals |
15 Apr 2005 12:54:44 AM |
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Divin Marquis <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:pan.2005.04.14.23.24.01.613327@127.0.0.1:
Le Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:22:31 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
That's almost an order of magnitude more than the other you cited.
That doesn't change the fact that it's a common practice.
Ok so you admit that DeLay is 10 times worse than anyone else in his
ethical breaches.
Duely noted.
I don't see that it is an ethical breach at all. So note it all you like.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Apr 2005 05:11:50 PM |
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"Syd Maniac" <dimstyle@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1113496709.798520.327200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Because it's all the Democrat's fault that he was taking money from
Russain firms or that he was paying "fees" to his wife and daughter.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2005/04/13/blame/index.html
April 13, 2005 | Washington -- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay,
hoping to hold support among fellow Republicans, urged GOP senators
Tuesday to blame Democrats if asked about his ethics controversy and
accused the news media of twisting supportive comments so they
sounded like criticism.
I like the way Salon spins his request for Republicans to explain the
"controversy" and the way the news media twist comments.
Ri-i-ight...
And this is the party of "Personal Responsibility"..
Ri-i-ight...
It isn't unethical to pay your wife and daughter to do a job if they are
actually doing that job (working for his campaign committee). Nor is it
unethical to pay them out of your own campaign fund.
Nor is it unethical to accept campaign contributions from a group that
happens to get donations from a foreign country.
But don't let little things like the facts get in the way of your
partisan politics of half-truths and innuendo.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Apr 2005 06:11:22 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
It isn't unethical to pay your wife and daughter
to do a job if they are actually doing that job
(working for his campaign committee). Nor
is it unethical to pay them out of your own
campaign fund.
You're confusing ethics with morals.
Ethics are rules that concern themselves as much with
the appearance of wrong doing as they do with
actual wrong doing.
An example would be a Notary Public who notarizes
their own signature. They most definitely are
committing an ethical violation. However, so long as
they are not attempting fraud in any way (they're
simply saving themselves a trip across town), they
are not doing anything "immoral."
The deal with "ethical violations" is that people who
really are doing something wrong/immoral usually
have to violate the ethics first.
Placing your family members on a payroll does
lend you the appearance of wrong doing. It is one
way an immoral/wrong doing person would
launder contributions, move them from the
organization to their own pockets. It doesn't mean
that you are doing anything wrong, but that's
irrelevant. As previously stated, ethics deal as
much with the appearance of wrong doing as
actual wrong doing.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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14 Apr 2005 07:07:57 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
It isn't unethical to pay your wife and daughter
to do a job if they are actually doing that job
(working for his campaign committee). Nor
is it unethical to pay them out of your own
campaign fund.
You're confusing ethics with morals.
Ethics are rules that concern themselves as much with
the appearance of wrong doing as they do with
actual wrong doing.
An example would be a Notary Public who notarizes
their own signature. They most definitely are
committing an ethical violation. However, so long as
they are not attempting fraud in any way (they're
simply saving themselves a trip across town), they
are not doing anything "immoral."
Speaking as a notary public of Washington State, I can assure you that
they would be doing something illegal in almost every jurisdiction.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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14 Apr 2005 11:19:40 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in news:425EBF8D.CE1DE154
@serv.net:
JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
It isn't unethical to pay your wife and daughter
to do a job if they are actually doing that job
(working for his campaign committee). Nor
is it unethical to pay them out of your own
campaign fund.
You're confusing ethics with morals.
Ethics are rules that concern themselves as much with
the appearance of wrong doing as they do with
actual wrong doing.
An example would be a Notary Public who notarizes
their own signature. They most definitely are
committing an ethical violation. However, so long as
they are not attempting fraud in any way (they're
simply saving themselves a trip across town), they
are not doing anything "immoral."
Speaking as a notary public of Washington State, I can assure you that
they would be doing something illegal in almost every jurisdiction.
That's probably why DeLay is up against the House Morals Committee.
Whoops, no he's not.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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15 Apr 2005 03:03:05 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:11:50 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Syd Maniac" <dimstyle@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1113496709.798520.327200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Because it's all the Democrat's fault that he was taking money from
Russain firms or that he was paying "fees" to his wife and daughter.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2005/04/13/blame/index.html
April 13, 2005 | Washington -- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay,
hoping to hold support among fellow Republicans, urged GOP senators
Tuesday to blame Democrats if asked about his ethics controversy and
accused the news media of twisting supportive comments so they
sounded like criticism.
I like the way Salon spins his request for Republicans to explain the
"controversy" and the way the news media twist comments.
I like how Fred Stone pretends that a AP story quoted verbatim via
salon.com somehow proves salon,com's supposed sinister machinations
against Scumbag DeLay.
Ri-i-ight...
And this is the party of "Personal Responsibility"..
Ri-i-ight...
It isn't unethical to pay your wife and daughter to do a job if they are
actually doing that job (working for his campaign committee). Nor is it
unethical to pay them out of your own campaign fund.
Nor is it unethical to accept campaign contributions from a group that
happens to get donations from a foreign country.
But don't let little things like the facts get in the way of your
partisan politics of half-truths and innuendo.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1548 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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