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User: "Pastor Marc"
Date: 03 May 2007 11:01:23 PM
Object: Tommy the Atheist
Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:
"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.
He was combing his long flaxen hair, which hung six inches below his >
shoulders. It was the first time I had ever seen a boy with hair that
long. I guess it was just coming into fashion then. I know in my mind
that it isn't what's on your head but what's in it that counts; but on
that day I was unprepared and my emotions flipped. I immediately filed
Tommy under "S" for strange...very strange.
"Tommy turned out to be the "atheist in residence" in my Theology of
Faith course. He constantly objected to, smirked at, or whined about
the possibility of an unconditionally loving Father/God. We lived with
each other in relative peace for one semester, although I admit he was
for me at times a serious pain in the back pew. When he came up at the
end of the course to turn in his final exam, he asked in a cynical
tone,
"Do you think I'll ever find God?"
I decided instantly on a little shock therapy.
"No!" I said very emphatically.
"Why not," he responded, "I thought that was the product you were
pushing."
I let him get five steps from the classroom door and then called out,
"Tommy! I don't think you'll ever find Him, but I am absolutely
certain that He will find you!" He shrugged a little and left my class
and my life I felt slightly disappointed at the thought that he had
missed my clever line "He will find you! " At least I thought it was
clever.
"Later I heard that Tommy had graduated and I was duly grateful. Then
a sad report came. I heard that Tommy had terminal cancer. Before I
could search him out, he came to see me. When he walked into my
office, his body was very badly wasted and the long hair had all
fallen out as a result of chemotherapy. But his eyes were bright and
his voice was firm, for the first time, I believe.
"Tommy, I've thought about you so often I hear you are sick," I
blurted out.
"Oh, yes, very sick. I have cancer in both lungs. It's a matter of
weeks."
"Can you talk about it, Tom?" I asked.
"Sure, what would you like to know?" he replied.
"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."
I began to look through my mental file cabinet under 'S' where I had
filed Tommy as strange. (It seems as though everybody I try to reject
by classification, God sends back into my life to educate me.)
"But what I really came to see you about," Tom said, "is something you
said to me on the last day of class." (He remembered!) He continued,
"I asked you if you thought I would ever find God and you said, 'No!'
which surprised me. Then you said, 'But He will find you.' I thought
about that a lot, even though my search for God was hardly intense at
that time. (My clever line. He thought about that a lot!)
"But when the doctors removed a lump from my groin and told me that it
was malignant, that's when I got serious about locating God. And when
the malignancy spread into my vital organs, I really began banging
bloody fists against the bronze doors of heaven. But God did not come
out.. In fact, nothing happened. Did you ever try anything for a long
time with great effort and with no success? You get psychologically
glutted, fed up with trying. And then you quit.
"Well, one day I woke up, and instead of throwing a few more futile
appeals over that high brick wall to a God who may be or may not be
there, I just quit. I decided that I didn't really care about God,
about an after life, or anything like that. I decided to spend what
time I had left doing something more profitable. I thought about you
and your class and I remembered something else you had said: " The
essential sadness is to go through life without loving. But it would
be almost equally sad to go through life and leave this world without
ever telling those you loved that you had loved them.'"
"So, I began with the hardest one, my Dad. He was reading the
newspaper when I approached him. "Dad."
"Yes, what?" he asked without lowering the newspaper.
"Dad, I would like to talk with you."
"Well, talk."
"I mean . . It's really important".
The newspaper came down three slow inches. "What is it?"
"Dad, I love you I just wanted you to know that."
Tom smiled at me and said it with obvious satisfaction, as though he
felt a warm and secret joy flowing inside of him.
"The newspaper fluttered to the floor. Then my father did two things I
could never remember him ever doing before. He cried and he hugged me.
We talked all night, even though he had to go to work the next
morning. It felt so good to be close to my father, to see his tears,
to feel his hug, to hear him say that he loved me. "
"It was easier with my mother and little brother. They cried with me,
too, and we hugged each other, and started saying real nice things to
each other. We shared the things we had been keeping secret for so
many years.
"I was only sorry about one thing --- that I had waited so long. Here
I was, just beginning to open up to all the people I had actually been
close to."
"Then, one day I turned around and God was there. He didn't come to me
when I pleaded with Him. I guess I was like an animal trainer holding
out a hoop, 'C'mon, jump through. C'mon, I'll give You three days,
three weeks.'
"Apparently God does things in His own way and at His own hour. But
the important thing is that He was there. He found me! You were right.
He found me even after I stopped looking for Him."
"Tommy," I practically gasped, "I think you are saying something very
important and much more universal than you realize. To me, at least,
you are saying that the surest way to find God is not to make Him a
private possession, a problem solver, or an instant consolation in
time of need, but rather by opening to love. You know, the Apostle
John said that. He said: 'God is love, and anyone who lives in love is
living with God and God is living in him.' Tom, could I ask you a
favor? You know, when I had you in class you were a real pain. But
(laughingly) you can make it all up to me now. Would you come into my
present Theology of Faith course and tell them what you have just told
me? If I told them the same thing it wouldn't be half as effective as
if you were to tell it."
"Ooh I was ready for you, but I don't know if I'm ready for your
class."
"Tom, think about it. If and when you are ready, give me a call."In a
few days Tom called, said he was ready for the class, that he wanted
to do that for God and for me. So we scheduled a date. However, he
never made it. He had another appointment, far more important than the
one with me and my class. Of course, his life was not really ended by
his death, only changed. He made the great step from faith into
vision. He found a life far more beautiful than the eye of man has
ever seen or the ear of man has ever heard or the mind of man has ever
imagined.
Before he died, we talked one last time. "I'm not going to make it to
your class," he said.
"I know, Tom."
"Will you tell them for me? Will you tell the whole world for me?"
"I will, Tom. I'll tell them. I'll do my best"
So, to all of you who have been kind enough to read this simple story
about God's love, thank you for listening. And to you, Tommy,
somewhere in the sunlit, verdant hills of heaven --- I told them,
Tommy as best I could.
If this story means anything to you, please pass it on to a friend or
two. It is a true story and is not enhanced for publicity purposes.
With thanks,
Rev. John Powell, Professor Loyola University in Chicago
And for those who doubt this story --- it appears as truth - check the
website below:
The story of Tommy, the atheist theology student who was found by God-
Truth! <http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm
.

User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 12:32:58 AM
"Pastor Marc" <imabeliever85@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178251283.317610.132550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.
He was combing his long flaxen hair, which hung six inches below his >
shoulders. It was the first time I had ever seen a boy with hair that
long. I guess it was just coming into fashion then. I know in my mind
that it isn't what's on your head but what's in it that counts; but on
that day I was unprepared and my emotions flipped. I immediately filed
Tommy under "S" for strange...very strange.

"Tommy turned out to be the "atheist in residence" in my Theology of
Faith course. He constantly objected to, smirked at, or whined about
the possibility of an unconditionally loving Father/God. We lived with
each other in relative peace for one semester, although I admit he was
for me at times a serious pain in the back pew. When he came up at the
end of the course to turn in his final exam, he asked in a cynical
tone,
"Do you think I'll ever find God?"
I decided instantly on a little shock therapy.
"No!" I said very emphatically.
"Why not," he responded, "I thought that was the product you were
pushing."
I let him get five steps from the classroom door and then called out,
"Tommy! I don't think you'll ever find Him, but I am absolutely
certain that He will find you!" He shrugged a little and left my class
and my life I felt slightly disappointed at the thought that he had
missed my clever line "He will find you! " At least I thought it was
clever.

"Later I heard that Tommy had graduated and I was duly grateful. Then
a sad report came. I heard that Tommy had terminal cancer. Before I
could search him out, he came to see me. When he walked into my
office, his body was very badly wasted and the long hair had all
fallen out as a result of chemotherapy. But his eyes were bright and
his voice was firm, for the first time, I believe.
"Tommy, I've thought about you so often I hear you are sick," I
blurted out.

"Oh, yes, very sick. I have cancer in both lungs. It's a matter of
weeks."
"Can you talk about it, Tom?" I asked.
"Sure, what would you like to know?" he replied.
"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."

I began to look through my mental file cabinet under 'S' where I had
filed Tommy as strange. (It seems as though everybody I try to reject
by classification, God sends back into my life to educate me.)

"But what I really came to see you about," Tom said, "is something you
said to me on the last day of class." (He remembered!) He continued,
"I asked you if you thought I would ever find God and you said, 'No!'
which surprised me. Then you said, 'But He will find you.' I thought
about that a lot, even though my search for God was hardly intense at
that time. (My clever line. He thought about that a lot!)
"But when the doctors removed a lump from my groin and told me that it
was malignant, that's when I got serious about locating God. And when
the malignancy spread into my vital organs, I really began banging
bloody fists against the bronze doors of heaven. But God did not come
out.. In fact, nothing happened. Did you ever try anything for a long
time with great effort and with no success? You get psychologically
glutted, fed up with trying. And then you quit.

"Well, one day I woke up, and instead of throwing a few more futile
appeals over that high brick wall to a God who may be or may not be
there, I just quit. I decided that I didn't really care about God,
about an after life, or anything like that. I decided to spend what
time I had left doing something more profitable. I thought about you
and your class and I remembered something else you had said: " The
essential sadness is to go through life without loving. But it would
be almost equally sad to go through life and leave this world without
ever telling those you loved that you had loved them.'"

"So, I began with the hardest one, my Dad. He was reading the
newspaper when I approached him. "Dad."
"Yes, what?" he asked without lowering the newspaper.
"Dad, I would like to talk with you."
"Well, talk."
"I mean . . It's really important".
The newspaper came down three slow inches. "What is it?"
"Dad, I love you I just wanted you to know that."
Tom smiled at me and said it with obvious satisfaction, as though he
felt a warm and secret joy flowing inside of him.
"The newspaper fluttered to the floor. Then my father did two things I
could never remember him ever doing before. He cried and he hugged me.
We talked all night, even though he had to go to work the next
morning. It felt so good to be close to my father, to see his tears,
to feel his hug, to hear him say that he loved me. "

"It was easier with my mother and little brother. They cried with me,
too, and we hugged each other, and started saying real nice things to
each other. We shared the things we had been keeping secret for so
many years.
"I was only sorry about one thing --- that I had waited so long. Here
I was, just beginning to open up to all the people I had actually been
close to."
"Then, one day I turned around and God was there. He didn't come to me
when I pleaded with Him. I guess I was like an animal trainer holding
out a hoop, 'C'mon, jump through. C'mon, I'll give You three days,
three weeks.'

"Apparently God does things in His own way and at His own hour. But
the important thing is that He was there. He found me! You were right.
He found me even after I stopped looking for Him."

"Tommy," I practically gasped, "I think you are saying something very
important and much more universal than you realize. To me, at least,
you are saying that the surest way to find God is not to make Him a
private possession, a problem solver, or an instant consolation in
time of need, but rather by opening to love. You know, the Apostle
John said that. He said: 'God is love, and anyone who lives in love is
living with God and God is living in him.' Tom, could I ask you a
favor? You know, when I had you in class you were a real pain. But
(laughingly) you can make it all up to me now. Would you come into my
present Theology of Faith course and tell them what you have just told
me? If I told them the same thing it wouldn't be half as effective as
if you were to tell it."

"Ooh I was ready for you, but I don't know if I'm ready for your
class."

"Tom, think about it. If and when you are ready, give me a call."In a
few days Tom called, said he was ready for the class, that he wanted
to do that for God and for me. So we scheduled a date. However, he
never made it. He had another appointment, far more important than the
one with me and my class. Of course, his life was not really ended by
his death, only changed. He made the great step from faith into
vision. He found a life far more beautiful than the eye of man has
ever seen or the ear of man has ever heard or the mind of man has ever
imagined.

Before he died, we talked one last time. "I'm not going to make it to
your class," he said.

"I know, Tom."

"Will you tell them for me? Will you tell the whole world for me?"

"I will, Tom. I'll tell them. I'll do my best"

So, to all of you who have been kind enough to read this simple story
about God's love, thank you for listening. And to you, Tommy,
somewhere in the sunlit, verdant hills of heaven --- I told them,
Tommy as best I could.

If this story means anything to you, please pass it on to a friend or
two. It is a true story and is not enhanced for publicity purposes.

With thanks,

Rev. John Powell, Professor Loyola University in Chicago

And for those who doubt this story --- it appears as truth - check the
website below:

The story of Tommy, the atheist theology student who was found by God-
Truth! <http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm

This is one of thousands of made up stories that
proselytizers use to to pull in the sick, lonely and
mentally defensekless. They are shameless.
.
User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 02:06:13 PM
Michelle Malkin wrote:

This is one of thousands of made up stories that
proselytizers use to to pull in the sick, lonely and
mentally defensekless. They are shameless.



Has anyone archived these? A la Snopes dot com?
--
UV
.

User: "Hatter"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 08:00:08 AM
On May 4, 1:32 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:

"Pastor Marc" <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1178251283.317610.132550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...



Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:


"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.
He was combing his long flaxen hair, which hung six inches below his >
shoulders. It was the first time I had ever seen a boy with hair that
long. I guess it was just coming into fashion then. I know in my mind
that it isn't what's on your head but what's in it that counts; but on
that day I was unprepared and my emotions flipped. I immediately filed
Tommy under "S" for strange...very strange.


"Tommy turned out to be the "atheist in residence" in my Theology of
Faith course. He constantly objected to, smirked at, or whined about
the possibility of an unconditionally loving Father/God. We lived with
each other in relative peace for one semester, although I admit he was
for me at times a serious pain in the back pew. When he came up at the
end of the course to turn in his final exam, he asked in a cynical
tone,
"Do you think I'll ever find God?"
I decided instantly on a little shock therapy.
"No!" I said very emphatically.
"Why not," he responded, "I thought that was the product you were
pushing."
I let him get five steps from the classroom door and then called out,
"Tommy! I don't think you'll ever find Him, but I am absolutely
certain that He will find you!" He shrugged a little and left my class
and my life I felt slightly disappointed at the thought that he had
missed my clever line "He will find you! " At least I thought it was
clever.


"Later I heard that Tommy had graduated and I was duly grateful. Then
a sad report came. I heard that Tommy had terminal cancer. Before I
could search him out, he came to see me. When he walked into my
office, his body was very badly wasted and the long hair had all
fallen out as a result of chemotherapy. But his eyes were bright and
his voice was firm, for the first time, I believe.
"Tommy, I've thought about you so often I hear you are sick," I
blurted out.


"Oh, yes, very sick. I have cancer in both lungs. It's a matter of
weeks."
"Can you talk about it, Tom?" I asked.
"Sure, what would you like to know?" he replied.
"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."


I began to look through my mental file cabinet under 'S' where I had
filed Tommy as strange. (It seems as though everybody I try to reject
by classification, God sends back into my life to educate me.)


"But what I really came to see you about," Tom said, "is something you
said to me on the last day of class." (He remembered!) He continued,
"I asked you if you thought I would ever find God and you said, 'No!'
which surprised me. Then you said, 'But He will find you.' I thought
about that a lot, even though my search for God was hardly intense at
that time. (My clever line. He thought about that a lot!)
"But when the doctors removed a lump from my groin and told me that it
was malignant, that's when I got serious about locating God. And when
the malignancy spread into my vital organs, I really began banging
bloody fists against the bronze doors of heaven. But God did not come
out.. In fact, nothing happened. Did you ever try anything for a long
time with great effort and with no success? You get psychologically
glutted, fed up with trying. And then you quit.


"Well, one day I woke up, and instead of throwing a few more futile
appeals over that high brick wall to a God who may be or may not be
there, I just quit. I decided that I didn't really care about God,
about an after life, or anything like that. I decided to spend what
time I had left doing something more profitable. I thought about you
and your class and I remembered something else you had said: " The
essential sadness is to go through life without loving. But it would
be almost equally sad to go through life and leave this world without
ever telling those you loved that you had loved them.'"


"So, I began with the hardest one, my Dad. He was reading the
newspaper when I approached him. "Dad."
"Yes, what?" he asked without lowering the newspaper.
"Dad, I would like to talk with you."
"Well, talk."
"I mean . . It's really important".
The newspaper came down three slow inches. "What is it?"
"Dad, I love you I just wanted you to know that."
Tom smiled at me and said it with obvious satisfaction, as though he
felt a warm and secret joy flowing inside of him.
"The newspaper fluttered to the floor. Then my father did two things I
could never remember him ever doing before. He cried and he hugged me.
We talked all night, even though he had to go to work the next
morning. It felt so good to be close to my father, to see his tears,
to feel his hug, to hear him say that he loved me. "


"It was easier with my mother and little brother. They cried with me,
too, and we hugged each other, and started saying real nice things to
each other. We shared the things we had been keeping secret for so
many years.
"I was only sorry about one thing --- that I had waited so long. Here
I was, just beginning to open up to all the people I had actually been
close to."
"Then, one day I turned around and God was there. He didn't come to me
when I pleaded with Him. I guess I was like an animal trainer holding
out a hoop, 'C'mon, jump through. C'mon, I'll give You three days,
three weeks.'


"Apparently God does things in His own way and at His own hour. But
the important thing is that He was there. He found me! You were right.
He found me even after I stopped looking for Him."


"Tommy," I practically gasped, "I think you are saying something very
important and much more universal than you realize. To me, at least,
you are saying that the surest way to find God is not to make Him a
private possession, a problem solver, or an instant consolation in
time of need, but rather by opening to love. You know, the Apostle
John said that. He said: 'God is love, and anyone who lives in love is
living with God and God is living in him.' Tom, could I ask you a
favor? You know, when I had you in class you were a real pain. But
(laughingly) you can make it all up to me now. Would you come into my
present Theology of Faith course and tell them what you have just told
me? If I told them the same thing it wouldn't be half as effective as
if you were to tell it."


"Ooh I was ready for you, but I don't know if I'm ready for your
class."


"Tom, think about it. If and when you are ready, give me a call."In a
few days Tom called, said he was ready for the class, that he wanted
to do that for God and for me. So we scheduled a date. However, he
never made it. He had another appointment, far more important than the
one with me and my class. Of course, his life was not really ended by
his death, only changed. He made the great step from faith into
vision. He found a life far more beautiful than the eye of man has
ever seen or the ear of man has ever heard or the mind of man has ever
imagined.


Before he died, we talked one last time. "I'm not going to make it to
your class," he said.


"I know, Tom."


"Will you tell them for me? Will you tell the whole world for me?"


"I will, Tom. I'll tell them. I'll do my best"


So, to all of you who have been kind enough to read this simple story
about God's love, thank you for listening. And to you, Tommy,
somewhere in the sunlit, verdant hills of heaven --- I told them,
Tommy as best I could.


If this story means anything to you, please pass it on to a friend or
two. It is a true story and is not enhanced for publicity purposes.


With thanks,


Rev. John Powell, Professor Loyola University in Chicago


And for those who doubt this story --- it appears as truth - check the
website below:


The story of Tommy, the atheist theology student who was found by God-
Truth! <http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm


This is one of thousands of made up stories that
proselytizers use to to pull in the sick, lonely and
mentally defensekless. They are shameless.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

and it is not the first time we've heard it here.
Hatter
.
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Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 05 May 2007 07:15:54 AM
On 4 Maj, 15:00, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 4, 1:32 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:





"Pastor Marc" <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote in message


news:1178251283.317610.132550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...


Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:


"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.
He was combing his long flaxen hair, which hung six inches below his >
shoulders. It was the first time I had ever seen a boy with hair that
long. I guess it was just coming into fashion then. I know in my mind
that it isn't what's on your head but what's in it that counts; but on
that day I was unprepared and my emotions flipped. I immediately filed
Tommy under "S" for strange...very strange.


"Tommy turned out to be the "atheist in residence" in my Theology of
Faith course. He constantly objected to, smirked at, or whined about
the possibility of an unconditionally loving Father/God. We lived with
each other in relative peace for one semester, although I admit he was
for me at times a serious pain in the back pew. When he came up at the
end of the course to turn in his final exam, he asked in a cynical
tone,
"Do you think I'll ever find God?"
I decided instantly on a little shock therapy.
"No!" I said very emphatically.
"Why not," he responded, "I thought that was the product you were
pushing."
I let him get five steps from the classroom door and then called out,
"Tommy! I don't think you'll ever find Him, but I am absolutely
certain that He will find you!" He shrugged a little and left my class
and my life I felt slightly disappointed at the thought that he had
missed my clever line "He will find you! " At least I thought it was
clever.


"Later I heard that Tommy had graduated and I was duly grateful. Then
a sad report came. I heard that Tommy had terminal cancer. Before I
could search him out, he came to see me. When he walked into my
office, his body was very badly wasted and the long hair had all
fallen out as a result of chemotherapy. But his eyes were bright and
his voice was firm, for the first time, I believe.
"Tommy, I've thought about you so often I hear you are sick," I
blurted out.


"Oh, yes, very sick. I have cancer in both lungs. It's a matter of
weeks."
"Can you talk about it, Tom?" I asked.
"Sure, what would you like to know?" he replied.
"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."


I began to look through my mental file cabinet under 'S' where I had
filed Tommy as strange. (It seems as though everybody I try to reject
by classification, God sends back into my life to educate me.)


"But what I really came to see you about," Tom said, "is something you
said to me on the last day of class." (He remembered!) He continued,
"I asked you if you thought I would ever find God and you said, 'No!'
which surprised me. Then you said, 'But He will find you.' I thought
about that a lot, even though my search for God was hardly intense at
that time. (My clever line. He thought about that a lot!)
"But when the doctors removed a lump from my groin and told me that it
was malignant, that's when I got serious about locating God. And when
the malignancy spread into my vital organs, I really began banging
bloody fists against the bronze doors of heaven. But God did not come
out.. In fact, nothing happened. Did you ever try anything for a long
time with great effort and with no success? You get psychologically
glutted, fed up with trying. And then you quit.


"Well, one day I woke up, and instead of throwing a few more futile
appeals over that high brick wall to a God who may be or may not be
there, I just quit. I decided that I didn't really care about God,
about an after life, or anything like that. I decided to spend what
time I had left doing something more profitable. I thought about you
and your class and I remembered something else you had said: " The
essential sadness is to go through life without loving. But it would
be almost equally sad to go through life and leave this world without
ever telling those you loved that you had loved them.'"


"So, I began with the hardest one, my Dad. He was reading the
newspaper when I approached him. "Dad."
"Yes, what?" he asked without lowering the newspaper.
"Dad, I would like to talk with you."
"Well, talk."
"I mean . . It's really important".
The newspaper came down three slow inches. "What is it?"
"Dad, I love you I just wanted you to know that."
Tom smiled at me and said it with obvious satisfaction, as though he
felt a warm and secret joy flowing inside of him.
"The newspaper fluttered to the floor. Then my father did two things I
could never remember him ever doing before. He cried and he hugged me.
We talked all night, even though he had to go to work the next
morning. It felt so good to be close to my father, to see his tears,
to feel his hug, to hear him say that he loved me. "


"It was easier with my mother and little brother. They cried with me,
too, and we hugged each other, and started saying real nice things to
each other. We shared the things we had been keeping secret for so
many years.
"I was only sorry about one thing --- that I had waited so long. Here
I was, just beginning to open up to all the people I had actually been
close to."
"Then, one day I turned around and God was there. He didn't come to me
when I pleaded with Him. I guess I was like an animal trainer holding
out a hoop, 'C'mon, jump through. C'mon, I'll give You three days,
three weeks.'


"Apparently God does things in His own way and at His own hour. But
the important thing is that He was there. He found me! You were right.
He found me even after I stopped looking for Him."


"Tommy," I practically gasped, "I think you are saying something very
important and much more universal than you realize. To me, at least,
you are saying that the surest way to find God is not to make Him a
private possession, a problem solver, or an instant consolation in
time of need, but rather by opening to love. You know, the Apostle
John said that. He said: 'God is love, and anyone who lives in love is
living with God and God is living in him.' Tom, could I ask you a
favor? You know, when I had you in class you were a real pain. But
(laughingly) you can make it all up to me now. Would you come into my
present Theology of Faith course and tell them what you have just told
me? If I told them the same thing it wouldn't be half as effective as
if you were to tell it."


"Ooh I was ready for you, but I don't know if I'm ready for your
class."


"Tom, think about it. If and when you are ready, give me a call."In a
few days Tom called, said he was ready for the class, that he wanted
to do that for God and for me. So we scheduled a date. However, he
never made it. He had another appointment, far more important than the
one with me and my class. Of course, his life was not really ended by
his death, only changed. He made the great step from faith into
vision. He found a life far more beautiful than the eye of man has
ever seen or the ear of man has ever heard or the mind of man has ever
imagined.


Before he died, we talked one last time. "I'm not going to make it to
your class," he said.


"I know, Tom."


"Will you tell them for me? Will you tell the whole world for me?"


"I will, Tom. I'll tell them. I'll do my best"


So, to all of you who have been kind enough to read this simple story
about God's love, thank you for listening. And to you, Tommy,
somewhere in the sunlit, verdant hills of heaven --- I told them,
Tommy as best I could.


If this story means anything to you, please pass it on to a friend or
two. It is a true story and is not enhanced for publicity purposes.


With thanks,


Rev. John Powell, Professor Loyola University in Chicago


And for those who doubt this story --- it appears as truth - check the
website below:


The story of Tommy, the atheist theology student who was found by God-
Truth! <http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm


This is one of thousands of made up stories that
proselytizers use to to pull in the sick, lonely and
mentally defensekless. They are shameless.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


and it is not the first time we've heard it here.

Hatter- Skjul tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

- Vis tekst i anf=F8rselstegn -

Nor the last.
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 10:48:22 AM
"Pastor Marc" <imabeliever85@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178251283.317610.132550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

That's nice - Think we haven't heard this before? Guess again, "Pastor"
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.

User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Pastor Marc the Troll 04 May 2007 04:15:28 PM
In alt.atheism On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc
<imafuckingtroll85@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
See the corrected email address.

Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 06:49:40 PM
In article <1178251283.317610.132550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com> wrote:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

Spread this around your garden. ***** makes good fertilizer.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 17 May 2007 10:19:05 AM
On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

Most Christians are notorious liars. If the story was true, so fucking
what?
[]
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
.
User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 17 May 2007 10:25:08 AM
On Thu, 17 May 2007 08:19:05 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

Did this moron have a reason to rub his feces in our faces, or was he
just doing to be an *****??

Most Christians are notorious liars. If the story was true, so fucking
what?

These "atheists" the Liars For God tell stories about, are
unrecognisable as theists by atheists. They're what ignorant
Christians imagine an atheist is.

[]

.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 20 May 2007 12:32:31 PM
On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:25:08 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 17 May 2007 08:19:05 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:


Did this moron have a reason to rub his feces in our faces, or was he
just doing to be an *****??

Reason? They're strangers to it.

Most Christians are notorious liars. If the story was true, so fucking
what?


These "atheists" the Liars For God tell stories about, are
unrecognisable as theists by atheists. They're what ignorant
Christians imagine an atheist is.

Such is Christian Ethics®
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 20 May 2007 12:59:46 PM
On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:25:08 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism

On Thu, 17 May 2007 08:19:05 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:


Did this moron have a reason to rub his feces in our faces, or was he
just doing to be an *****??

Rhetorical question noted.

Most Christians are notorious liars. If the story was true, so fucking
what?


These "atheists" the Liars For God tell stories about, are
unrecognisable as theists by atheists. They're what ignorant
Christians imagine an atheist is.

They *are* theists.
--
Atheist n A person to be pitied in that he is
unable to believe things for which there is
no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of
a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
—Chaz Bufe, The American Heretic’s Dictionary
.



User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 12:06:11 AM
On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1178251283.317610.132550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

What a load of crap.
--
.

User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 06:49:03 PM
On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
wrote:
<shameless mendacity flushed>
There isn't a shred of truth in that story, Marc, and you damned well
know it.
.

User: "Kate "

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 03 May 2007 11:19:01 PM
On 3 May 2007 21:01:23 -0700, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
wrote:

If this story means anything to you, please pass it on to a friend or
two. It is a true story and is not enhanced for publicity purposes.

With thanks,

Rev. John Powell, Professor Loyola University in Chicago

And for those who doubt this story --- it appears as truth - check the
website below:

The story of Tommy, the atheist theology student who was found by God-
Truth! <http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm

Why would anyone care if it's true?
.

User: "Liz"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 11:53:37 AM
On May 3, 11:01 pm, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[-----]

"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."

No. Being 24 and dying is much worse. The above is called
rationalization.
Liz #658
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 02:28:39 PM
On May 4, 12:01 am, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Then, one day I turned around and God was there.

So I pulled out my Glock 9mm and let the ***** have it right between
the eyes. As He lay there, shocked and dying, he asked "Why?"
That's for every human you left to starve in the street, you sadistic
*****. That's for the more than 100 million people infected with
HIV. That's for the 42 kids you sent the bears to kill when they dared
laugh at your bald-headed "prophet". In fact, that's for Elijah as
well...why did you make him bald in the first place?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If the god of Abraham
exists, our most moral duty as humans is to hunt it down and kill it,
before it does anything else to us.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 12:51:31 PM
On May 4, 12:01 am, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

Moron. Do you know how many years we've heard crap like this? Read and
learn:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/dec9b2041391b7f6?dmode=source&hl=en
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.

User: "Chris H. Fleming"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 03 May 2007 11:46:59 PM
On May 4, 12:01 am, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:

blah, blah, blah

I don't see any gods, just stories, a book full of them.
.

User: "Richo"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 12:08:19 AM
On May 4, 2:01 pm, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

<snip>

And for those who doubt this story --- it appears as truth - check the
website below:

I don't doubt this story - i just find it very dull and
uninteresting..
Cheers, Mark.
.

User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 11:44:31 AM
On May 4, 5:01 am, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.
He was combing his long flaxen hair, which hung six inches below his >
shoulders. It was the first time I had ever seen a boy with hair that
long. I guess it was just coming into fashion then. I know in my mind
that it isn't what's on your head but what's in it that counts; but on
that day I was unprepared and my emotions flipped. I immediately filed
Tommy under "S" for strange...very strange.

"Tommy turned out to be the "atheist in residence" in my Theology of
Faith course. He constantly objected to, smirked at, or whined about
the possibility of an unconditionally loving Father/God. We lived with
each other in relative peace for one semester, although I admit he was
for me at times a serious pain in the back pew. When he came up at the
end of the course to turn in his final exam, he asked in a cynical
tone,
"Do you think I'll ever find God?"
I decided instantly on a little shock therapy.
"No!" I said very emphatically.
"Why not," he responded, "I thought that was the product you were
pushing."
I let him get five steps from the classroom door and then called out,
"Tommy! I don't think you'll ever find Him, but I am absolutely
certain that He will find you!" He shrugged a little and left my class
and my life I felt slightly disappointed at the thought that he had
missed my clever line "He will find you! " At least I thought it was
clever.

"Later I heard that Tommy had graduated and I was duly grateful. Then
a sad report came. I heard that Tommy had terminal cancer. Before I
could search him out, he came to see me. When he walked into my
office, his body was very badly wasted and the long hair had all
fallen out as a result of chemotherapy. But his eyes were bright and
his voice was firm, for the first time, I believe.
"Tommy, I've thought about you so often I hear you are sick," I
blurted out.

"Oh, yes, very sick. I have cancer in both lungs. It's a matter of
weeks."
"Can you talk about it, Tom?" I asked.
"Sure, what would you like to know?" he replied.
"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."

I began to look through my mental file cabinet under 'S' where I had
filed Tommy as strange. (It seems as though everybody I try to reject
by classification, God sends back into my life to educate me.)

"But what I really came to see you about," Tom said, "is something you
said to me on the last day of class." (He remembered!) He continued,
"I asked you if you thought I would ever find God and you said, 'No!'
which surprised me. Then you said, 'But He will find you.' I thought
about that a lot, even though my search for God was hardly intense at
that time. (My clever line. He thought about that a lot!)
"But when the doctors removed a lump from my groin and told me that it
was malignant, that's when I got serious about locating God. And when
the malignancy spread into my vital organs, I really began banging
bloody fists against the bronze doors of heaven. But God did not come
out.. In fact, nothing happened. Did you ever try anything for a long
time with great effort and with no success? You get psychologically
glutted, fed up with trying. And then you quit.

"Well, one day I woke up, and instead of throwing a few more futile
appeals over that high brick wall to a God who may be or may not be
there, I just quit. I decided that I didn't really care about God,
about an after life, or anything like that. I decided to spend what
time I had left doing something more profitable. I thought about you
and your class and I remembered something else you had said: " The
essential sadness is to go through life without loving. But it would
be almost equally sad to go through life and leave this world without
ever telling those you loved that you had loved them.'"

"So, I began with the hardest one, my Dad. He was reading the
newspaper when I approached him. "Dad."
"Yes, what?" he asked without lowering the newspaper.
"Dad, I would like to talk with you."
"Well, talk."
"I mean . . It's really important".
The newspaper came down three slow inches. "What is it?"
"Dad, I love you I just wanted you to know that."
Tom smiled at me and said it with obvious satisfaction, as though he
felt a warm and secret joy flowing inside of him.
"The newspaper fluttered to the floor. Then my father did two things I
could never remember him ever doing before. He cried and he hugged me.
We talked all night, even though he had to go to work the next
morning. It felt so good to be close to my father, to see his tears,
to feel his hug, to hear him say that he loved me. "

"It was easier with my mother and little brother. They cried with me,
too, and we hugged each other, and started saying real nice things to
each other. We shared the things we had been keeping secret for so
many years.
"I was only sorry about one thing --- that I had waited so long. Here
I was, just beginning to open up to all the people I had actually been
close to."
"Then, one day I turned around and God was there. He didn't come to me
when I pleaded with Him. I guess I was like an animal trainer holding
out a hoop, 'C'mon, jump through. C'mon, I'll give You three days,
three weeks.'

"Apparently God does things in His own way and at His own hour. But
the important thing is that He was there. He found me! You were right.
He found me even after I stopped looking for Him."

"Tommy," I practically gasped, "I think you are saying something very
important and much more universal than you realize. To me, at least,
you are saying that the surest way to find God is not to make Him a
private possession, a problem solver, or an instant consolation in
time of need, but rather by opening to love. You know, the Apostle
John said that. He said: 'God is love, and anyone who lives in love is
living with God and God is living in him.' Tom, could I ask you a
favor? You know, when I had you in class you were a real pain. But
(laughingly) you can make it all up to me now. Would you come into my
present Theology of Faith course and tell them what you have just told
me? If I told them the same thing it wouldn't be half as effective as
if you were to tell it."

"Ooh I was ready for you, but I don't know if I'm ready for your
class."

"Tom, think about it. If and when you are ready, give me a call."In a
few days Tom called, said he was ready for the class, that he wanted
to do that for God and for me. So we scheduled a date. However, he
never made it. He had another appointment, far more important than the
one with me and my class. Of course, his life was not really ended by
his death, only changed. He made the great step from faith into
vision. He found a life far more beautiful than the eye of man has
ever seen or the ear of man has ever heard or the mind of man has ever
imagined.

Before he died, we talked one last time. "I'm not going to make it to
your class," he said.

"I know, Tom."

"Will you tell them for me? Will you tell the whole world for me?"

"I will, Tom. I'll tell them. I'll do my best"

So, to all of you who have been kind enough to read this simple story
about God's love, thank you for listening. And to you, Tommy,
somewhere in the sunlit, verdant hills of heaven --- I told them,
Tommy as best I could.

If this story means anything to you, please pass it on to a friend or
two. It is a true story and is not enhanced for publicity purposes.

With thanks,

Rev. John Powell, Professor Loyola University in Chicago

And for those who doubt this story --- it appears as truth - check the
website below:

The story of Tommy, the atheist theology student who was found by God-
Truth! <http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm

It's a story, which one can choose to believe or not to believe. Some
people will just go "there you go! It's true, because I believe it, so
because God found him, he exists, even though I've never encountered
him. Praise the Lord!"
That's because they are either:
a) Lazy
b) Stupid, or
c) Both, and nothing else.
Any further questions, Pastor?
.

User: "Andy W"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 06:51:30 PM
On May 4, 5:01 am, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

I didn't believe a word of this the first time I saw it and it hasn't
improved with age.
Just look at this crap:

"Do you think I'll ever find God?"
"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."
"that's when I got serious about locating God. And when
the malignancy spread into my vital organs, I really began banging
bloody fists against the bronze doors of heaven."
"Then, one day I turned around and God was there. He didn't come to me
when I pleaded with Him. I guess I was like an animal trainer holding
out a hoop, 'C'mon, jump through. C'mon, I'll give You three days,
three weeks.'

"Apparently God does things in His own way and at His own hour. But
the important thing is that He was there. He found me! You were right.
He found me even after I stopped looking for Him."

Who actually talks like this?
This is the bit that made me heave:


"Tommy," I practically gasped, "I think you are saying something very
important and much more universal than you realize. To me, at least,
you are saying that the surest way to find God is not to make Him a
private possession, a problem solver, or an instant consolation in
time of need, but rather by opening to love. You know, the Apostle
John said that. He said: 'God is love, and anyone who lives in love is
living with God and God is living in him.' Tom, could I ask you a
favor? You know, when I had you in class you were a real pain. But
(laughingly) you can make it all up to me now. Would you come into my
present Theology of Faith course and tell them what you have just told
me? If I told them the same thing it wouldn't be half as effective as
if you were to tell it."

The guy is dying and all the teacher can think of is how effective he
will be at helping him brainwash his curent class.
Andy
.
User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 05 May 2007 04:38:03 AM
On 4 May 2007 16:51:30 -0700, Andy W <vorath@mailinator.com> wrote:

On May 4, 5:01 am, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:


I didn't believe a word of this the first time I saw it and it hasn't
improved with age.

Just look at this crap:

"Do you think I'll ever find God?"


"What's it like to be only twenty-four and dying?"
"Well, it could be worse."
"Like what?"
"Well, like being fifty and having no values or ideals, like being
fifty and thinking that booze, seducing women, and making money are
the real biggies' in life."


"that's when I got serious about locating God. And when
the malignancy spread into my vital organs, I really began banging
bloody fists against the bronze doors of heaven."


"Then, one day I turned around and God was there. He didn't come to me
when I pleaded with Him. I guess I was like an animal trainer holding
out a hoop, 'C'mon, jump through. C'mon, I'll give You three days,
three weeks.'

"Apparently God does things in His own way and at His own hour. But
the important thing is that He was there. He found me! You were right.
He found me even after I stopped looking for Him."


Who actually talks like this?

Guys who flunked out of Creative Writing 101.



This is the bit that made me heave:


"Tommy," I practically gasped, "I think you are saying something very
important and much more universal than you realize. To me, at least,
you are saying that the surest way to find God is not to make Him a
private possession, a problem solver, or an instant consolation in
time of need, but rather by opening to love. You know, the Apostle
John said that. He said: 'God is love, and anyone who lives in love is
living with God and God is living in him.' Tom, could I ask you a
favor? You know, when I had you in class you were a real pain. But
(laughingly) you can make it all up to me now. Would you come into my
present Theology of Faith course and tell them what you have just told
me? If I told them the same thing it wouldn't be half as effective as
if you were to tell it."


The guy is dying and all the teacher can think of is how effective he
will be at helping him brainwash his curent class.

Andy

.


User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 12:03:16 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com>
bloodied us up with this:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.

You can blink your mind? Is that a Christian thing? I tried to do it
just now, and I can't. Can you tell me how you did it?

He was combing his long flaxen hair, which hung six inches below his >
shoulders. It was the first time I had ever seen a boy with hair that
long. I guess it was just coming into fashion then. I know in my mind
that it isn't what's on your head but what's in it that counts;

Really? Then why do you subscribe to religion?

but on
that day I was unprepared and my emotions flipped. I immediately filed
Tommy under "S" for strange...very strange.

You must be a bigot.


"Tommy turned out to be the "atheist in residence" in my Theology of
Faith course. He constantly objected to, smirked at, or whined about
the possibility of an unconditionally loving Father/God.

And you find thinking for oneself unreasonable? Why?
There is a billboard in my town that is apparently owned or leased by
some fundy organization. In HUGE letters it warns: "FEAR GOD", then
spews a bunch of bibblebabble. Why should anyone have to fear such a
lovegod that you have just described?

We lived with
each other in relative peace for one semester, although I admit he was
for me at times a serious pain in the back pew.

Atheists can be like that to fundies. Then again, so can Muslims,
Mormons, and Hindi. Think!! Do you know what I'm talking about?

When he came up at the
end of the course to turn in his final exam, he asked in a cynical
tone,
"Do you think I'll ever find God?"

Uh-oh. Tommy wasn't an atheist. Looks like you lied, Marc. Why did you
lie, Marc? Why did you post this stupid story in alt.atheism, Marc? Are
you trying to gain Brownie Points with you imaginary god? Does doing
that make you feel good? Maybe you should post your crap in the
religious newsgroups. They like this *****. They'll support you.
They'll make you feel good. Here, in alt.atheism, we'll just make you
feel like the slimy ***** you are.
You're a slimy *****, Marc. FOAD.
<the rest of this crap snipped unread>
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
.
User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 11:48:17 AM
On May 4, 6:03 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com>
bloodied us up with this:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:


"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.


You can blink your mind? Is that a Christian thing? I tried to do it
just now, and I can't. Can you tell me how you did it?

Christianity is a mind-blink.
.
User: "Andy W"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 06:40:30 PM
On May 4, 5:48 pm, "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister"
<use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:

On May 4, 6:03 am, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:

One fine day in alt.atheism, Pastor Marc <imabelieve...@yahoo.com>
bloodied us up with this:


Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:


"Some twelve years ago, I stood watching my university students file
into the classroom for our first session in the Theology of Faith.
That was the day I first saw Tommy. My eyes and my mind both blinked.


You can blink your mind? Is that a Christian thing? I tried to do it
just now, and I can't. Can you tell me how you did it?


Christianity is a mind-blink.

Is that when they close their mind really fast when they think
something is coming that might damage it?
Andy
.



User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 07:26:40 PM
Pastor Marc <imabeliever85@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1178251283.317610.132550@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Father John Powell, a professor at Loyola University in Chicago writes
about a student in his Theology of Faith class named Tommy:

Crappy joke, son. You took too damn long, winding it up. Good joke's
supposed to be short, like your crank.
This one's funny:
On hearing that her elderly grandfather had just passed away, Katie went
straight to her grandparent's house to visit her 95 year old grandmother
and comfort her.
When she asked how her grandfather had died, her grandmother replied, "He
had a heart attack while we were making love on Sunday morning."
Horrified, Katie told her grandmother that 2 people nearly 100 years old
having sex would surely be asking for trouble.
"Oh no, my dear, " replied granny. "Many years ago, realizing our
advanced age, we figured out the best time to do it was when the church
bells would start to ring. It was just the right rhythm. Nice and slow
and even. Nothing too strenuous, simply in on the Ding and out on the
Dong."
She paused, wiped away a tear and then continued, "And if that damned ice
cream truck hadn't come along, he'd still be alive today!"
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
.

User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 12:18:05 AM
Pastor Marc wrote:

"Then, one day I turned around and God was there.

Heartwrenching story, but I, for one, do not believe that "Tommy" was an
atheist. From the outset, this 'atheist' actually sounded more like an
antitheistic theist; a person who perhaps believed in a god, but hated
the deity.
After all, no atheist that I know of would truthfully ask, "Do you think
I'll ever find God?"
--
*******************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*-----------------------------------------------------*
* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
*******************************************************
.
User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 01:46:45 AM
DanielSan wrote:

Pastor Marc wrote:

"Then, one day I turned around and God was there.



Heartwrenching story, but I, for one, do not believe that "Tommy" was an
atheist. From the outset, this 'atheist' actually sounded more like an
antitheistic theist; a person who perhaps believed in a god, but hated
the deity.

After all, no atheist that I know of would truthfully ask, "Do you think
I'll ever find God?"

Upon further review, I have serious doubts about this story. Firstly,
"Tommy" is never given a last name. Secondly, if you go to the link
provided at the bottom --
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm -- , the "truth"
claim is very dubious about the accuracy of the story.
They say:
This story was written by Father John Powell, a retired professor at
Loyola University in Chicago. Father Powell is advanced in years, but
TruthOrFiction.com found him and talked with him. The story was fresh
in his mind and he confirmed that it is true and happened in the way
that he described it.
Nothing in that about the story itself being true. Hell, Powell could
be lying about the story or remembering the story wrong. Remember, it
says that he was "advanced in years". I really wonder what that means.
One of my grandparents who was "advanced in years" honestly believed
that his dog told him about the "commies" that were coming to get him.
Yes. His dog.
--
*******************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*-----------------------------------------------------*
* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
*******************************************************
.
User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 01:13:49 AM
One fine day in alt.atheism, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> bloodied
us up with this:

Upon further review, I have serious doubts about this story. Firstly,
"Tommy" is never given a last name. Secondly, if you go to the link
provided at the bottom --
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/johnpowell.htm -- , the "truth"
claim is very dubious about the accuracy of the story.

They say:
This story was written by Father John Powell, a retired professor at
Loyola University in Chicago. Father Powell is advanced in years, but
TruthOrFiction.com found him and talked with him. The story was fresh
in his mind and he confirmed that it is true and happened in the way
that he described it.

Nothing in that about the story itself being true. Hell, Powell could
be lying about the story or remembering the story wrong. Remember, it
says that he was "advanced in years". I really wonder what that means.
One of my grandparents who was "advanced in years" honestly believed
that his dog told him about the "commies" that were coming to get him.

Yes. His dog.

And we all know what "dog" spelled backward is.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Tommy the Atheist 04 May 2007 07:14:25 AM
On 4 Maj, 07:18, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Pastor Marc wrote:

"Then, one day I turned around and God was there.


Heartwrenching story, but I, for one, do not believe that "Tommy" was an
atheist. From the outset, this 'atheist' actually sounded more like an
antitheistic theist; a person who perhaps believed in a god, but hated
the deity.

After all, no atheist that I know of would truthfully ask, "Do you think
I'll ever find God?"

He sounds more like pure fiction.
.



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