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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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03 Sep 2004 10:02:51 PM |
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Tony Blair Jumping Off of AWOL's Sinking Ship |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1294572,00.html
Patrick Wintour, chief political correspondent | Wednesday September
1, 2004 | The Guardian: John Kerry supporters in America have been
told by Peter Hain that [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] is hoping
the Democratic candidate wins the US presidential election in
November. Mr Hain, who sits in the cabinet as Leader of the Commons,
has been in the US... in private discussions with guests... a
Democratic victory was clearly sought....
[T]he Blairite group Progress... scathing attack on Mr Bush's
record...: "By his manner, his rhetoric and sometimes his actions
George Bush has presented to the world an image of America that its
friends know is not its true face. That is why those who recognise
that American leadership is vital and a force for good in an uncertain
world will wish John Kerry well."
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -978 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book |
04 Sep 2004 12:28:56 AM |
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"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book
John Kerry's wrote a book in 1971 titled "The New Soldier." It is out
of print and Senator Kerry will not let it be reprinted.
The book's front cover shows protesters carrying the American flag
upside down, and inside are photos of members of Kerry's group --
Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- with clenched fist salutes and
some of the guys done up to look like Che Guevara.
Also included are photographs of Ramsey Clark, who was a lawyer for
Kerry's group. Clark went to North Vietnam and returned to report that
American prisoners of war were Kerry was not simply part of the
"anti-war" movement of the 1960s. Many of us opposed the Vietnam war
then for a variety of reasons. What Kerry did was accuse Americans
still fighting in Vietnam of widespread atrocities on a daily basis,
atrocities authorized all the way up the chain of command, atrocities
committed for racial reasons, doing
things to the Vietnamese that we would never do to Europeans.
No wonder Kerry doesn't want his 1971 book reprinted during an
election year. It would not fit in with the image he is trying to
create today.
see:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040825.shtml
====================
So we got a nation-wide scavenger hunt on, who will first find a copy
of this book and scan it on to the Internet? Then Kerry's negative
views of American soldiers will be out there for more to read.
Here's the cover: http://kerry-04.org/war/
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "It was Hidey-Bunker who Terrorized America" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book |
04 Sep 2004 02:38:25 AM |
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In <1kkij0p4m0k34vm97a7m54bfvovblcf3hq@4ax.com>
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 01:28:56 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore said about:
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book
John Kerry's wrote a book in 1971 titled "The New Soldier." It is out
of print and Senator Kerry will not let it be reprinted.
No doubt Kerry thinks liars and distortion artists
like you will read it.
Let's see here. In 1971 I had long hair, wore
beads, and bellbottoms, and shiny brown leather
shoes...like everybody else in my peer group.
Would I want those in circulation if I were
running for Prez, with mean spirited people like YOU
and YOUR KIND out there? Duh.
mean-def.sig
Q: Why do they call Republicans; "Mean-spirited"?
A: Mean2, adj; 1. inferior in grade, quality or character.
2. low in station rank or dignity. ...5. small minded
or ignoble. 6. Stingy. 7. Offensive or selfish.
--Syn. common, plebeian, petty, squalid, contemptible,
low, base, vile, coarseness, vulgarity, cowardice,
moral depravity, disgusting foulness, niggardly.
--Ant. superior, exalted, important, generous, liberal.
But what if they are mean and ungenerously small?
Niggardly - 1. reluctant to give or spend; stingy; miserly
2. meanly or ungenerously small or scanty;
a niggardly tip to a waiter.
Lie: to intentionally devcieve.
The book's front cover shows protesters carrying the American flag
upside down, and inside are photos of members of Kerry's group --
Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- with clenched fist salutes and
some of the guys done up to look like Che Guevara.
Also included are photographs of Ramsey Clark, who was a lawyer for
Kerry's group. Clark went to North Vietnam and returned to report that
American prisoners of war were Kerry was not simply part of the
"anti-war" movement of the 1960s. Many of us opposed the Vietnam war
then for a variety of reasons. What Kerry did was accuse Americans
still fighting in Vietnam of widespread atrocities on a daily basis,
atrocities authorized all the way up the chain of command, atrocities
committed for racial reasons, doing
things to the Vietnamese that we would never do to Europeans.
No wonder Kerry doesn't want his 1971 book reprinted during an
election year. It would not fit in with the image he is trying to
create today.
see:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040825.shtml
====================
So we got a nation-wide scavenger hunt on, who will first find a copy
of this book and scan it on to the Internet? Then Kerry's negative
views of American soldiers will be out there for more to read.
Here's the cover: http://kerry-04.org/war/
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "Hydroxy" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book |
04 Sep 2004 09:15:21 AM |
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"It was Hidey-Bunker who Terrorized America" <brutus@u-2.com> wrote in
message news:10jiquo7iqjb5fd@corp.supernews.com...
In <1kkij0p4m0k34vm97a7m54bfvovblcf3hq@4ax.com>
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 01:28:56 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore said about:
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book
John Kerry's wrote a book in 1971 titled "The New Soldier." It is out
of print and Senator Kerry will not let it be reprinted.
No doubt Kerry thinks liars and distortion artists
like you will read it.
Let's see here. In 1971 I had long hair, wore
beads, and bellbottoms, and shiny brown leather
shoes...like everybody else in my peer group.
Would I want those in circulation if I were
running for Prez, with mean spirited people like YOU
and YOUR KIND out there? Duh.
so, in other words, kerry says "bring it on"
then
1) suppresses publication of his OWN book/viewpoints written BY him
2) requests media outlets cease airing swift boat ads
etc.
so, he has hardly lived by his "bring it on" creed. instead, he has tried
to suppress dissenting voices, especially when those voices are his own
whit
mean-def.sig
Q: Why do they call Republicans; "Mean-spirited"?
A: Mean2, adj; 1. inferior in grade, quality or character.
2. low in station rank or dignity. ...5. small minded
or ignoble. 6. Stingy. 7. Offensive or selfish.
--Syn. common, plebeian, petty, squalid, contemptible,
low, base, vile, coarseness, vulgarity, cowardice,
moral depravity, disgusting foulness, niggardly.
--Ant. superior, exalted, important, generous, liberal.
But what if they are mean and ungenerously small?
Niggardly - 1. reluctant to give or spend; stingy; miserly
2. meanly or ungenerously small or scanty;
a niggardly tip to a waiter.
Lie: to intentionally devcieve.
The book's front cover shows protesters carrying the American flag
upside down, and inside are photos of members of Kerry's group --
Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- with clenched fist salutes and
some of the guys done up to look like Che Guevara.
Also included are photographs of Ramsey Clark, who was a lawyer for
Kerry's group. Clark went to North Vietnam and returned to report that
American prisoners of war were Kerry was not simply part of the
"anti-war" movement of the 1960s. Many of us opposed the Vietnam war
then for a variety of reasons. What Kerry did was accuse Americans
still fighting in Vietnam of widespread atrocities on a daily basis,
atrocities authorized all the way up the chain of command, atrocities
committed for racial reasons, doing
things to the Vietnamese that we would never do to Europeans.
No wonder Kerry doesn't want his 1971 book reprinted during an
election year. It would not fit in with the image he is trying to
create today.
see:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040825.shtml
====================
So we got a nation-wide scavenger hunt on, who will first find a copy
of this book and scan it on to the Internet? Then Kerry's negative
views of American soldiers will be out there for more to read.
Here's the cover: http://kerry-04.org/war/
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "Buck Fush" |
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| Title: Re: "The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book |
04 Sep 2004 10:48:51 AM |
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In article <1kkij0p4m0k34vm97a7m54bfvovblcf3hq@4ax.com>, Michael
Marxist Moore <mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book
John Kerry's wrote a book in 1971 titled "The New Soldier." It is out
of print and Senator Kerry will not let it be reprinted.
That's because it's FREE and readily available in pdf file format from
several places on the web. Even the pictures are included. All FREE.
Just Google "John Kerry The New Soldier".
Damn, Republicans are dumb liars.
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04 Sep 2004 03:43:01 PM |
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Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
"The New Soldier", Kerry suppresses his own book
John Kerry's wrote a book in 1971 titled "The New Soldier." It is out
of print and Senator Kerry will not let it be reprinted.
<snip>
I heard Lynn Cheney doesn't want "Sisters" reprinted.
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| Title: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 12:20:52 AM |
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254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Senator John Kerry has made his 4-month combat tour in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his bid for the Presidency. His campaign jets a handful
of veterans around the country, and trots them out at public
appearances to sing his praises. John Kerry wants us to believe that
these men represent all those he calls his "band of brothers."
But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see him
in a very different light.
..
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false
"war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately
portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We
speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served
beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from
different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on
one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam
and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the
potential to lead. We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat
veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for
America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a
Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges,
his exaggerated claims about his own
service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature
and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compels us to step forward.
For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we
were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key
creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have
resolved to end our silence.
The time has come to set the record straight.
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counterthe false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnamveterans |
04 Sep 2004 12:53:56 AM |
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Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
Really? i counted a few more than one on the podium at Boston.
Tell us which O'Neill story is the truth.
1971-In the Oval Office tells Nixon that he was in Cambodia. Later
says the only time that he met Nixon was at the 1972 convention.
In his book says that ne was never in Cambodia.
Last week-said he was near Cambodia
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Senator John Kerry has made his 4-month combat tour in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his bid for the Presidency. His campaign jets a handful
of veterans around the country, and trots them out at public
appearances to sing his praises. John Kerry wants us to believe that
these men represent all those he calls his "band of brothers."
But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see him
in a very different light.
.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false
"war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately
portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We
speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served
beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from
different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on
one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam
and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the
potential to lead. We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat
veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for
America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a
Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges,
his exaggerated claims about his own
service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature
and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compels us to step forward.
For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we
were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key
creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have
resolved to end our silence.
The time has come to set the record straight.
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 10:19:07 AM |
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George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message news:<ULc_c.15688$Iv7.1160@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
Really? i counted a few more than one on the podium at Boston.
1) Rassman only served two days on Kerrys boat. He wasn't a Swift
Boat Vet and was only there on temporary assignment.
2) Rev. David Alston only served one or two weeks on Kerrys boat.
They both lied for each other:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002258.php
Alston did He has since distanced himself from the campaign.
I bet you they both were all expenses paid guests.
3)Max Cleland was nowhere near Kerry. Cleland is a polician with a
vendetta against the republicans. He does have a cushy government
political position. I imagine he looks forward to additional such
jobs with Kerry.
Anyone else up there of note? Frankly, I don't know. Ex members of
VVAW don't count. Nor do Democrats who just happened to be somewhere
in Vietnam. Nor Veterinarians.
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counterthe false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnamveterans |
04 Sep 2004 10:53:22 AM |
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Igtheist wrote:
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message news:<ULc_c.15688$Iv7.1160@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
Really? i counted a few more than one on the podium at Boston.
1) Rassman only served two days on Kerrys boat. He wasn't a Swift
Boat Vet and was only there on temporary assignment.
2) Rev. David Alston only served one or two weeks on Kerrys boat.
They both lied for each other:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002258.php
Alston did He has since distanced himself from the campaign.
I bet you they both were all expenses paid guests.
3)Max Cleland was nowhere near Kerry. Cleland is a polician with a
vendetta against the republicans. He does have a cushy government
political position. I imagine he looks forward to additional such
jobs with Kerry.
What job would that be?
Anyone else up there of note? Frankly, I don't know. Ex members of
VVAW don't count. Nor do Democrats who just happened to be somewhere
in Vietnam. Nor Veterinarians.
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 10:32:32 AM |
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On 4 Sep 2004 08:19:07 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message news:<ULc_c.15688$Iv7.1160@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
Really? i counted a few more than one on the podium at Boston.
1) Rassman only served two days on Kerrys boat. He wasn't a Swift
Boat Vet and was only there on temporary assignment.
2) Rev. David Alston only served one or two weeks on Kerrys boat.
They both lied for each other:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002258.php
Alston did He has since distanced himself from the campaign.
I bet you they both were all expenses paid guests.
3)Max Cleland was nowhere near Kerry. Cleland is a polician with a
vendetta against the republicans. He does have a cushy government
political position. I imagine he looks forward to additional such
jobs with Kerry.
Anyone else up there of note? Frankly, I don't know. Ex members of
VVAW don't count. Nor do Democrats who just happened to be somewhere
in Vietnam. Nor Veterinarians.
I hear the Swift Boat decievers are in line for some nice jobs. I hear
one Admiral is getting a 40,000,000 grant. Sounds like Halliburton
lite.
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| User: "David Moffitt" |
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 07:32:52 PM |
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"Eris" <vithant01@antispam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bunjj017nflfesn7o1dtg7e07v1a4s2upr@4ax.com...
On 4 Sep 2004 08:19:07 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:<ULc_c.15688$Iv7.1160@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
Really? i counted a few more than one on the podium at Boston.
1) Rassman only served two days on Kerrys boat. He wasn't a Swift
Boat Vet and was only there on temporary assignment.
2) Rev. David Alston only served one or two weeks on Kerrys boat.
They both lied for each other:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002258.php
Alston did He has since distanced himself from the campaign.
I bet you they both were all expenses paid guests.
3)Max Cleland was nowhere near Kerry. Cleland is a polician with a
vendetta against the republicans. He does have a cushy government
political position. I imagine he looks forward to additional such
jobs with Kerry.
Anyone else up there of note? Frankly, I don't know. Ex members of
VVAW don't count. Nor do Democrats who just happened to be somewhere
in Vietnam. Nor Veterinarians.
I hear the Swift Boat decievers are in line for some nice jobs. I hear
one Admiral is getting a 40,000,000 grant. Sounds like Halliburton
lite.
%%%% I'm sure you can back that claim with testimony from your sock puppet.
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| User: "torresD" |
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Smear Boat Veterans for lies has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 07:48:24 PM |
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"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:U8t_c.6718$Wv5.656@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Eris" <vithant01@antispam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bunjj017nflfesn7o1dtg7e07v1a4s2upr@4ax.com...
On 4 Sep 2004 08:19:07 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:<ULc_c.15688$Iv7.1160@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against
Vietnam
veterans
Really? i counted a few more than one on the podium at Boston.
1) Rassman only served two days on Kerrys boat. He wasn't a Swift
Boat Vet and was only there on temporary assignment.
2) Rev. David Alston only served one or two weeks on Kerrys boat.
They both lied for each other:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002258.php
Alston did He has since distanced himself from the campaign.
I bet you they both were all expenses paid guests.
3)Max Cleland was nowhere near Kerry. Cleland is a polician with a
vendetta against the republicans. He does have a cushy government
political position. I imagine he looks forward to additional such
jobs with Kerry.
Anyone else up there of note? Frankly, I don't know. Ex members of
VVAW don't count. Nor do Democrats who just happened to be somewhere
in Vietnam. Nor Veterinarians.
I hear the Swift Boat decievers are in line for some nice jobs. I hear
one Admiral is getting a 40,000,000 grant. Sounds like Halliburton
lite.
%%%% I'm sure you can back that claim with testimony from your sock
puppet.
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 09:45:09 AM |
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George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message news:<ULc_c.15688$Iv7.1160@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
Michael Marxist Moore wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
Really? i counted a few more than one on the podium at Boston.
Tell us which O'Neill story is the truth.
1971-In the Oval Office tells Nixon that he was in Cambodia.
Actually in the very next sentence of that taped conversation he
corrects himself and says he was working along the border. He claims
he was referring to later after Kerry had exited after only four
months. He also claims that the time he was referring to was when
they were no longer working the rivers in Vietnam but the west
coastline of Cambodia proper.
So the whole "I was in Cambodia" quote is out of context. The
context is more like, I was in Cambodia oops I meant on the coast of
Cambodia.
Later says the only time that he met Nixon was at the 1972 convention.
Don't know anything about that. Seeing how O'Neill has been taken out
of context several times I'd like sources.
In his book says that ne was never in Cambodia.
Really? I don't think so. What page would that be on. I didn't
remember that and I reread the section on Cambodia. I also looked in
the index and followed every reference there to Cambodia back to the
text and found no quote where he says he wasn't in Cambodia. He does
mention that all Kerrys commanders deny ever ordering Kerry into
Cambodia. It also mentions "At least three of the five crewmen on
Kerry's PCF 44 boat-Billl Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner -
deny that they or their boat was ever in Cambodia.
Last week-said he was near Cambodia
He was working along the west coast of Cambodia. If you were on in
the Navy an were ordered to say China but never set foot on land and
you were asked "Did you ever go to China?" you might misquote and say
"Yes, I was in China. Wait I meant on the coast of China.".
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 10:39:04 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 01:20:52 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore
<mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Senator John Kerry has made his 4-month combat tour in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his bid for the Presidency. His campaign jets a handful
of veterans around the country, and trots them out at public
appearances to sing his praises. John Kerry wants us to believe that
these men represent all those he calls his "band of brothers."
But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see him
in a very different light.
.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false
"war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately
portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We
speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served
beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from
different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on
one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam
and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the
potential to lead. We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat
veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for
America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a
Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges,
his exaggerated claims about his own
service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature
and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compels us to step forward.
For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we
were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key
creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have
resolved to end our silence.
The time has come to set the record straight.
Everyone knows at least one Viet Nam Veteran and do not have to depend
on you or anyone else for their information on vets
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04 Sep 2004 07:34:57 PM |
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"Eris" <vithant01@antispam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 01:20:52 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore
<mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Senator John Kerry has made his 4-month combat tour in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his bid for the Presidency. His campaign jets a handful
of veterans around the country, and trots them out at public
appearances to sing his praises. John Kerry wants us to believe that
these men represent all those he calls his "band of brothers."
But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see him
in a very different light.
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Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false
"war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately
portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We
speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served
beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from
different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on
one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam
and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the
potential to lead. We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat
veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for
America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a
Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges,
his exaggerated claims about his own
service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature
and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compels us to step forward.
For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we
were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key
creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have
resolved to end our silence.
The time has come to set the record straight.
Everyone knows at least one Viet Nam Veteran and do not have to depend
on you or anyone else for their information on vets
%%%% I have yet to meet a war vet that backs Kerry. It must be because he
called all of us baby killers.
GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 07:48:10 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 00:34:57 GMT, "David Moffitt"
<moffitcl@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Eris" <vithant01@antispam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iaojj0lppif8kg842js9jturrv0773trua@4ax.com...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 01:20:52 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore
<mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:
254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the
false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Senator John Kerry has made his 4-month combat tour in Vietnam the
centerpiece of his bid for the Presidency. His campaign jets a handful
of veterans around the country, and trots them out at public
appearances to sing his praises. John Kerry wants us to believe that
these men represent all those he calls his "band of brothers."
But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see him
in a very different light.
.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false
"war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam
veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately
portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We
speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served
beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from
different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on
one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam
and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the
potential to lead. We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat
veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for
America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a
Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges,
his exaggerated claims about his own
service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature
and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compels us to step forward.
For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we
were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key
creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have
resolved to end our silence.
The time has come to set the record straight.
Everyone knows at least one Viet Nam Veteran and do not have to depend
on you or anyone else for their information on vets
%%%% I have yet to meet a war vet that backs Kerry. It must be because he
called all of us baby killers.
GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
I can't imagine an infantry guy agreeing with O'Neill
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counterthe false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnamveterans |
04 Sep 2004 08:21:33 PM |
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Informal poll. Which O'Neill story do you believe?
1971- On the White House tapes tells Nixon he was in Cambodia. Later
says that the only time he met Nixon was at the 1972 convention.
This year- His book says he was never in Cambodia.
Last week- Said he was near Cambodia
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: 254:1 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans |
04 Sep 2004 10:29:28 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 01:20:52 -0400, Michael Marxist Moore
<mmmoore@N0TSPAM.0RG> wrote:
For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we
were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key
creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have
resolved to end our silence.
everyone in America knows at least one Viet Nam vet, they decided for
them selves. Suck off.
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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04 Sep 2004 06:30:48 AM |
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No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:02:51 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1294572,00.html
Patrick Wintour, chief political correspondent | Wednesday September
1, 2004 | The Guardian: John Kerry supporters in America have been
told by Peter Hain that [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] is hoping
the Democratic candidate wins the US presidential election in
November. Mr Hain, who sits in the cabinet as Leader of the Commons,
has been in the US... in private discussions with guests... a
Democratic victory was clearly sought....
[T]he Blairite group Progress... scathing attack on Mr Bush's
record...: "By his manner, his rhetoric and sometimes his actions
George Bush has presented to the world an image of America that its
friends know is not its true face. That is why those who recognise
that American leadership is vital and a force for good in an uncertain
world will wish John Kerry well."
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -978 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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04 Sep 2004 09:04:29 AM |
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"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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04 Sep 2004 05:20:16 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
Blari was Clinton's best buddy when Clinton was in office. When he came to
meet Bush the first time you could have cut the ice with a chain saw. It
was the effort against terror (and Hussein) that broke the ice between
Blair and Bush, and Blair has become a very good ally.
But he is a liberal. Before becoming Prime Minister he was a labour leader.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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05 Sep 2004 09:35:39 AM |
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"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.20.15.21.787605@2am.cn...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck
up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as
you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
Apparently the interpretation of liberalism is relative.
Saying that, Im pleased that you find the UK more liberal than the US, if
slightly ironic.
Kathryn
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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05 Sep 2004 05:01:08 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:35:39 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.20.15.21.787605@2am.cn...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck
up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as
you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
Apparently the interpretation of liberalism is relative.
Saying that, Im pleased that you find the UK more liberal than the US, if
slightly ironic.
Kathryn
You have (that is, you *are* British, correct?) a much more socialized
system than we do: socialized medicine, 'the dole', which *is* much more
liberal (in all ways) than our Welfare system, subsidies, etc.
Course, you also got Rolls-Royce (actually, now owned by VW, but still
made in Britain!)
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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06 Sep 2004 06:18:13 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.09.05.19.56.09.121609@2am.cn>,
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:35:39 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.20.15.21.787605@2am.cn...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just
stuck
up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart
as
you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
Apparently the interpretation of liberalism is relative.
Saying that, Im pleased that you find the UK more liberal than the US,
if
slightly ironic.
Kathryn
You have (that is, you *are* British, correct?) a much more socialized
system than we do: socialized medicine, 'the dole', which *is* much more
liberal (in all ways) than our Welfare system, subsidies, etc.
Course, you also got Rolls-Royce (actually, now owned by VW, but still
made in Britain!)
Rolls is owned by BMW. Bentley is owned by VW.
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06 Sep 2004 04:36:39 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:18:13 +0000, Lloyd Parker wrote:
In article <pan.2004.09.05.19.56.09.121609@2am.cn>,
Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:35:39 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.20.15.21.787605@2am.cn...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just
stuck
up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart
as
you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
Apparently the interpretation of liberalism is relative.
Saying that, Im pleased that you find the UK more liberal than the US,
if
slightly ironic.
Kathryn
You have (that is, you *are* British, correct?) a much more socialized
system than we do: socialized medicine, 'the dole', which *is* much more
liberal (in all ways) than our Welfare system, subsidies, etc.
Course, you also got Rolls-Royce (actually, now owned by VW, but still
made in Britain!)
Rolls is owned by BMW. Bentley is owned by VW.
Awww, they're *both* Krauts! ;)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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05 Sep 2004 12:37:07 PM |
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:35:39 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.20.15.21.787605@2am.cn...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck
up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as
you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
No, Blair is in the Labour party, not the Liberal Party.
Apparently the interpretation of liberalism is relative.
No. The US conservatives changed it. Historically, liberal meant
looking at people as people, eg the Victorian liberals were the mill
owners etc who built model communities around their plant.
That was the root of the British Liberal party, who formed the centre
but were very minor after the emergence of the Labour party (soft left
and Fabian rather than Marxist), with the Conservatives soft right
until Thatcher who moved the political spectrum much further to the
right.
Blair is further to the right than most Conservative Prime Ministers
of my lifetime, eg Edward Heath.
He is neither Liberal in the European sense not the American sense. He
is a conservative who conned his way to the top of the Labour party
and moved it past the Liberals (centre party) to the right.
Thatcher's legacy: she once announced that she wanted there to be two
right-wing parties.
Saying that, Im pleased that you find the UK more liberal than the US, if
slightly ironic.
Kathryn
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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05 Sep 2004 05:04:59 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:37:07 +0000, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:35:39 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.20.15.21.787605@2am.cn...
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck
up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as
you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
No, Blair is in the Labour party, not the Liberal Party.
Apparently the interpretation of liberalism is relative.
No. The US conservatives changed it. Historically, liberal meant
looking at people as people, eg the Victorian liberals were the mill
owners etc who built model communities around their plant.
That was the root of the British Liberal party, who formed the centre
but were very minor after the emergence of the Labour party (soft left
and Fabian rather than Marxist), with the Conservatives soft right
until Thatcher who moved the political spectrum much further to the
right.
Blair is further to the right than most Conservative Prime Ministers
of my lifetime, eg Edward Heath.
He is neither Liberal in the European sense not the American sense. He
is a conservative who conned his way to the top of the Labour party
and moved it past the Liberals (centre party) to the right.
Thatcher's legacy: she once announced that she wanted there to be two
right-wing parties.
Saying that, Im pleased that you find the UK more liberal than the US, if
slightly ironic.
Kathryn
Tank you, Chris. I realized I had misspoke about Labour Leader after I
posted it.
To us here, Blair does seem like a Liberal. That's why it was so
surprising when his backiing of Bush came to the forefront.
I don't know how the English feel about him (I hear they don't like him so
much anymore, esp since the Gulf War), but I for one love his *****! If I
could I would thank him for being such an ally to the US. There are those
of us who appreciate the English backing us in this.
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05 Sep 2004 05:28:39 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:04:59 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
To us here, Blair does seem like a Liberal. That's why it was so
surprising when his backiing of Bush came to the forefront.
For most right wingers in the US, the _Tories_ seem like raving
liberals and Labour and all of Europe is on the brink of full-fledged
communism.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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04 Sep 2004 06:09:01 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:20:16 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:04:29 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Vash The Stampede" <trigun@2am.cn> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.04.09.25.56.534528@2am.cn...
No surprise. Blair never really liked Bush all the much, he just stuck up
for the US and *supported* Bush. Idealogically, there as far apart as you
and I.
Of course Blair wants a Liberal...He *IS* a liberal!
Um in the sense that's he's quite a religious christian, who by their
nature, don't lean towards liberalism?
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
No. He is a member of the Labour Party. Liberal in Britain does not
have the perjorative meaning it has been redefined with, in the USa.
The Liberals were the centre party, with Labour soft left and
Conservative soft right - until Thatcher moved the Conservatives to
the extreme right, followed by Major.
Blair is to the right of most of the recent Conservative Prime
Ministers, eg Edward Heath.
Blari was Clinton's best buddy when Clinton was in office. When he came to
meet Bush the first time you could have cut the ice with a chain saw. It
was the effort against terror (and Hussein) that broke the ice between
Blair and Bush, and Blair has become a very good ally.
But he is a liberal. Before becoming Prime Minister he was a labour leader.
No and No.
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| User: "Paul Harper" |
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05 Sep 2004 12:43:18 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:20:16 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
That really doesn't matter much in Britain. Blair is a member of the
Liberal party, and their liberalism makes ours look like practice.
As leader of the Labour Party, that might be slightly embarrassing.
But he is a liberal. Before becoming Prime Minister he was a labour leader.
Still is.
Paul.
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