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"Fred Stone" |
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10 Apr 2007 07:00:12 PM |
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Too Heroic for the BBC |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about
Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it
would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.
The BBC's retreat from the project, which had the working title Victoria
Cross, has sparked accusations of cowardice and will reignite the debate
about the broadcaster's alleged lack of patriotism.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
10 Apr 2007 10:26:02 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about
Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it
would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.
The BBC's retreat from the project, which had the working title Victoria
Cross, has sparked accusations of cowardice and will reignite the debate
about the broadcaster's alleged lack of patriotism.
When that war started I asked myself, "Is this really a good idea"?
Now after four years I know it was lunacy
therefore join the ranks of so many other who have taken up the same view.
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Fred Stone
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
10 Apr 2007 10:42:59 PM |
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On Apr 11, 1:26 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about
Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it
would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.
The BBC's retreat from the project, which had the working title Victoria
Cross, has sparked accusations of cowardice and will reignite the debate
about the broadcaster's alleged lack of patriotism.
When that war started I asked myself, "Is this really a good idea"?
Now after four years I know it was lunacy
therefore join the ranks of so many other who have taken up the same view.
It does give excellent oportunities for heroism though.
Theologians have given the same argument for "why God allows evil" -
all the suffering and pain suffered by inocents give people an
oportunity to show kindness and compassion to the victems.
So everything is as perfect as it can possibly be!
Mark.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
11 Apr 2007 08:14:21 AM |
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On 11 Apr 2007 00:00:12 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns990ED4DD08EE8freddybear@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
I wonder if "too positive" means that the story itself is too positive
or that the presentation went beyond the facts and provided a "too
positive" piece of propaganda. If we had some reliable information
about the piece itself and the actual BBC response that would help.
The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about
Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it
would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.
The BBC's retreat from the project, which had the working title Victoria
Cross, has sparked accusations of cowardice and will reignite the debate
about the broadcaster's alleged lack of patriotism.
--
Fred Stone
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The lame troll hits! The lame troll hits!
You are mildly annoyed.
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
11 Apr 2007 08:27:13 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:9nnp13t8ollgm248jso9oa1j65eg499u6f@4ax.com:
On 11 Apr 2007 00:00:12 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns990ED4DD08EE8freddybear@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
I wonder if "too positive" means that the story itself is too positive
or that the presentation went beyond the facts and provided a "too
positive" piece of propaganda. If we had some reliable information
about the piece itself and the actual BBC response that would help.
It's OK to be "too negative" and never show anything positive at all,
but being "too positive" is propaganda, is that it?
--
Fred Stone
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The lame troll hits! The lame troll hits!
You are mildly annoyed.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
11 Apr 2007 09:53:23 AM |
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On 11 Apr 2007 13:27:13 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns990F698E77368freddybear@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:9nnp13t8ollgm248jso9oa1j65eg499u6f@4ax.com:
On 11 Apr 2007 00:00:12 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns990ED4DD08EE8freddybear@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
I wonder if "too positive" means that the story itself is too positive
or that the presentation went beyond the facts and provided a "too
positive" piece of propaganda. If we had some reliable information
about the piece itself and the actual BBC response that would help.
It's OK to be "too negative" and never show anything positive at all,
but being "too positive" is propaganda, is that it?
Wow, a strawman and a tu toque in one. No, Fred, I would object to
that as well.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
11 Apr 2007 11:12:52 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:2itp13tfvuo4qddo61b44u77ceohd98iij@4ax.com:
On 11 Apr 2007 13:27:13 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns990F698E77368freddybear@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:9nnp13t8ollgm248jso9oa1j65eg499u6f@4ax.com:
On 11 Apr 2007 00:00:12 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns990ED4DD08EE8freddybear@66.150.105.47> wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by
Britain's forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot
patrol then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his
own terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the
conflict.
I wonder if "too positive" means that the story itself is too
positive or that the presentation went beyond the facts and provided
a "too positive" piece of propaganda. If we had some reliable
information about the piece itself and the actual BBC response that
would help.
It's OK to be "too negative" and never show anything positive at all,
but being "too positive" is propaganda, is that it?
Wow, a strawman and a tu toque in one. No, Fred, I would object to
that as well.
You haven't, yet. When do you think you'll start?
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Fred Stone
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
11 Apr 2007 12:38:45 PM |
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On 11 Apr 2007 16:12:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns990F85A4BD1Bfreddybear@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:2itp13tfvuo4qddo61b44u77ceohd98iij@4ax.com:
On 11 Apr 2007 13:27:13 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns990F698E77368freddybear@66.150.105.47>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:9nnp13t8ollgm248jso9oa1j65eg499u6f@4ax.com:
On 11 Apr 2007 00:00:12 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<Xns990ED4DD08EE8freddybear@66.150.105.47> wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by
Britain's forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot
patrol then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his
own terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the
conflict.
I wonder if "too positive" means that the story itself is too
positive or that the presentation went beyond the facts and provided
a "too positive" piece of propaganda. If we had some reliable
information about the piece itself and the actual BBC response that
would help.
It's OK to be "too negative" and never show anything positive at all,
but being "too positive" is propaganda, is that it?
Wow, a strawman and a tu toque in one. No, Fred, I would object to
that as well.
You haven't, yet. When do you think you'll start?
Lots of places. I am not about to go re-hash all that stuff for you.
Look it up yourself.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Too Heroic for the BBC |
10 Apr 2007 10:25:12 PM |
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On Apr 11, 10:00 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
From the end of the article:
"A spokesman for the BBC admitted that it had abandoned the VC project
but refused to elaborate."
So this is Chris Hastings "guess" at why it was pulled.
And I still dont see how this guy being a hero makes the conflict a
good idea.
By identical reasoning:
"World War ! must have been an excellent idea and positive thing
because of the number of oportunities it gave for young men to be
heroic."
Eh?
"In the Nazi concentration camps there were countless examples of
great kindness and bravery - so therefore concentration camps were
positive."
Eh?
There is something not right with this reasoning.
Mark.
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| User: "Richo" |
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10 Apr 2007 10:05:10 PM |
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On Apr 11, 10:00 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
Interesting that they don't actually quote anyone from the BBC syaing
this is the reason.
Also I dont see how this would be positive about the conflict - its
positive about the British army and its conduct and the character of
those serving - but I cant quite see how that makes the war (and the
Politicians who "organised" it) itself positive.
Any ideas?
The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about
Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it
would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.
I wonder if this is true.
It is possible that there is (are) another reason (s) for dropping
the program.
I can think of a few possibilities.
(like the guy didnt want to participate for example - wanted his
privacy respected)
The BBC's retreat from the project, which had the working title Victoria
Cross, has sparked accusations of cowardice and will reignite the debate
about the broadcaster's alleged lack of patriotism.
Yeah I can see how that would be a conclusion you could jump to.
I wonder if it has any basis in fact?
Cheers, Mark.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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11 Apr 2007 05:31:45 AM |
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On Apr 11, 4:05 am, "Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote:
On Apr 11, 10:00 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/04/08/wiraq308.xml
Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC
By Chris Hastings, Arts and Media Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:56pm BST 07/04/2007
Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's
forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol
then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own
terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
Interesting that they don't actually quote anyone from the BBC syaing
this is the reason.
Also I dont see how this would be positive about the conflict - its
positive about the British army and its conduct and the character of
those serving - but I cant quite see how that makes the war (and the
Politicians who "organised" it) itself positive.
Any ideas?
The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about
Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it
would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.
I wonder if this is true.
It is possible that there is (are) another reason (s) for dropping
the program.
I can think of a few possibilities.
(like the guy didnt want to participate for example - wanted his
privacy respected)
The BBC's retreat from the project, which had the working title Victoria
Cross, has sparked accusations of cowardice and will reignite the debate
about the broadcaster's alleged lack of patriotism.
Yeah I can see how that would be a conclusion you could jump to.
I wonder if it has any basis in fact?
Cheers, Mark.- Hide quoted text -
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Look at the source. Googling on the subject, everything including
blogs leads back to The Telegraph, which is the most right wing of the
national dailies. If none of the other papers have picked up the
story, that means there's probably no story to pick up. The Telegraph
is manufacturing outrage out of nothing. I expect it will get a far
bigger audience in the USA than in the UK.
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