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"Bill M" |
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21 Feb 2007 03:36:15 PM |
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TOO MANY GODS |
There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
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| User: "Steve Marshall" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
21 Feb 2007 04:26:47 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote
There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
Usually your family decide on a religion for you and obviously their god is
the one that is real and true.
It seems you accept what god is (?) How about trying to get a definition. I
hear a different story from almost everyone. How can you decide on
something if there is no agreement on what it is ????
Steve M
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
21 Feb 2007 04:54:41 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
There's no signal in Heaven.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Convicted by Earthquack
Plonked by Fester
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
21 Feb 2007 06:04:12 PM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> said:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
There's no signal in Heaven.
Extra-dimensional roaming charges are out of this world.
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
21 Feb 2007 03:48:10 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God
and
which are fakes?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
But I _do_! Why don't you believe in me?
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
21 Feb 2007 04:36:45 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
Trial and error?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
They're all real. The question is: which one is right for you?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
He does.
Haven't you talked to God today?
You probably walked right by him and didn't even say hello, now did you?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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22 Feb 2007 08:09:18 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
Trial and error?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
They're all real.
Prove it.
And don't give me that "Well, go and meet five people. One of them will be
a god" *****.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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21 Feb 2007 04:42:15 PM |
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On Feb 21, 2:36 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:8X2Dh.42734$I8.32719@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
Trial and error?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
They're all real. The question is: which one is right for you?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
He does.
Haven't you talked to God today?
You probably walked right by him and didn't even say hello, now did you?
The problem with your replies here is that you're serious.
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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21 Feb 2007 05:10:10 PM |
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On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The problem with your replies here is that you're serious
If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you,
then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody.
However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally
considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
21 Feb 2007 05:34:15 PM |
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On Feb 21, 3:10 pm, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The problem with your replies here is that you're serious
If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you,
then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody.
I lack belief in god anyway, so it's impossible to believe he talks to
anybody. The people I talk to that claim they've communicated with god
just confirm my opinion, since every last one of them is loopy beyond
words.
However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally
considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something.
Certified as Saints or not, I think they're either con artists or
they're mad. Have you had any conversations with Mark? He seems like
the latter to me.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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21 Feb 2007 08:39:45 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The problem with your replies here is that you're serious
If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you,
then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody.
He doesn't, because he doesn't exist.
However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally
considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something.
Their delusions drive them to hallucination.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
21 Feb 2007 08:51:50 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98DEBDE5312Evicman@66.250.146.128...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The problem with your replies here is that you're serious
If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you,
then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody.
He doesn't, because he doesn't exist.
How can someone not exist?
However, it happens to people all the time. These people are generally
considered mad, unless they are certified as saints or something.
Their delusions drive them to hallucination.
Hallucination is vaporous and whispy, like smoke.
That is not the case here.
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
22 Feb 2007 07:25:17 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> said:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98DEBDE5312Evicman@66.250.146.128...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The problem with your replies here is that you're serious
If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you,
then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody.
He doesn't, because he doesn't exist.
How can someone not exist?
Look at:
http://www.answers.com/topic/absent-referent
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
22 Feb 2007 08:10:19 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12tq1a7ijerjo49@corp.supernews.com...
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98DEBDE5312Evicman@66.250.146.128...
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
On Feb 21, 5:42 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The problem with your replies here is that you're serious
If you never have had the experience of God communicating with you,
then it is difficult to believe He talks to anybody.
He doesn't, because he doesn't exist.
How can someone not exist?
That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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24 Feb 2007 03:41:12 PM |
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On Feb 22, 9:10 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination.
You are apparently ignorant of what hearing voices is really like. You
can't imagine up voices, and someone who hears them can't imagine them
away. Even if you insist they are hallucinations, that's not the same
thing as merely "the product of someone's imagination". Voices can
appear quite independent of the hearer and seem to have knowledge not
possessed by the conscious mind.
You want to believe that people who hear voices are "doing it to
themselves", so you repeat trite phrases to reassure yourself that it
could never happen to _you_, because you're too smart and clever and
skeptical.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
25 Feb 2007 03:20:57 PM |
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Go see a psychiatrist. You are hallucinating again!
"Pies de Arcilla" <dearcilla@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 22, 9:10 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination.
You are apparently ignorant of what hearing voices is really like. You
can't imagine up voices, and someone who hears them can't imagine them
away. Even if you insist they are hallucinations, that's not the same
thing as merely "the product of someone's imagination". Voices can
appear quite independent of the hearer and seem to have knowledge not
possessed by the conscious mind.
You want to believe that people who hear voices are "doing it to
themselves", so you repeat trite phrases to reassure yourself that it
could never happen to _you_, because you're too smart and clever and
skeptical.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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25 Feb 2007 07:21:33 PM |
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Indeed.
All gods are created in the minds of believers.
A different one in each mind. -- L.
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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26 Feb 2007 09:01:06 AM |
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On Feb 25, 4:20 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Go see a psychiatrist. You are hallucinating again!
That's a non-sequitur. Voices seem real. I didn't say they _are_ real.
Also, please stop top-posting.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
26 Feb 2007 10:49:29 AM |
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On Feb 24, 1:41 pm, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 22, 9:10 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
That's extremely easy when they're the product of someone's imagination.
You are apparently ignorant of what hearing voices is really like. You
can't imagine up voices, and someone who hears them can't imagine them
away. Even if you insist they are hallucinations, that's not the same
thing as merely "the product of someone's imagination". Voices can
appear quite independent of the hearer and seem to have knowledge not
possessed by the conscious mind.
You want to believe that people who hear voices are "doing it to
themselves", so you repeat trite phrases to reassure yourself that it
could never happen to _you_, because you're too smart and clever and
skeptical.
The phrase "product of someone's imagination" does not mean that the
person is willfully "doing it to themselves." It might not be the most
accurate term to describe a mental illness, but it ain't the kidney
that is producing the voices, it's the brain, and that's where the
imagination sits. The voices are imagined, no matter how real they
seem to the person hearing them (I know firsthand, my brother and
sister are both schizophrenic). Robyn's not being smart or clever (at
least not in some smartass way like you want to think), there's
nothing wrong with what she said.
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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26 Feb 2007 12:24:12 PM |
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On Feb 26, 11:49 am, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The phrase "product of someone's imagination" does not mean that the
person is willfully "doing it to themselves." It might not be the most
accurate term to describe a mental illness, but it ain't the kidney
that is producing the voices, it's the brain, and that's where the
imagination sits.
The language is what it is. I still feel that the connotation of
voices being a part of the self is fundamentally false.
The voices are imagined, no matter how real they
seem to the person hearing them (I know firsthand, my brother and
sister are both schizophrenic).
Ah, I see you don't know what "firsthand" means.
Robyn's not being smart or clever (at
least not in some smartass way like you want to think), there's
nothing wrong with what she said.
If you say "imagine a unicorn", I can say ok and imagine it. Then if
you say imagine it has antlers like a deer, I can imagine that too, at
will. Voices or hallucinations are not like that, and saying that they
are "product of someone's imagination" implies to me they are under
the sort of control and have the quality of self-ownership that your
imagination normally is and does.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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26 Feb 2007 01:04:18 PM |
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On Feb 26, 10:24 am, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 26, 11:49 am, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The phrase "product of someone's imagination" does not mean that the
person is willfully "doing it to themselves." It might not be the most
accurate term to describe a mental illness, but it ain't the kidney
that is producing the voices, it's the brain, and that's where the
imagination sits.
The language is what it is. I still feel that the connotation of
voices being a part of the self is fundamentally false.
What, you think they originate from outside the person? So the
invisible government agents hiding in the garden taking notes on these
mentally ill people are real?
The voices are imagined, no matter how real they
seem to the person hearing them (I know firsthand, my brother and
sister are both schizophrenic).
Ah, I see you don't know what "firsthand" means.
Pedantic twit. I've been there with them while they're hearing voices.
It's not like someone told me they were hearing voices, I saw for
myself. That's firsthand.
Robyn's not being smart or clever (at
least not in some smartass way like you want to think), there's
nothing wrong with what she said.
If you say "imagine a unicorn", I can say ok and imagine it. Then if
you say imagine it has antlers like a deer, I can imagine that too, at
will. Voices or hallucinations are not like that, and saying that they
are "product of someone's imagination" implies to me they are under
the sort of control and have the quality of self-ownership that your
imagination normally is and does.
Either the voices are manufactured by the hearer or they're real. If
they are manufactured by the hearer then they are imagining them. If
they are imagining them then they can be said to be a product of the
imagination. You are fairly pedantic, aren't you?
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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26 Feb 2007 01:45:13 PM |
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On Feb 26, 2:04 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
What, you think they originate from outside the person? So the
invisible government agents hiding in the garden taking notes on these
mentally ill people are real?
It's impossible to communicate with someone who rejects the need for
precise definitions when talking about semantic issues.
I don't even know how to convey why your experience of voices is not
'first hand'.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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26 Feb 2007 02:01:49 PM |
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On Feb 26, 11:45 am, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 26, 2:04 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
What, you think they originate from outside the person? So the
invisible government agents hiding in the garden taking notes on these
mentally ill people are real?
It's impossible to communicate with someone who rejects the need for
precise definitions when talking about semantic issues.
I don't even know how to convey why your experience of voices is not
'first hand'.
It's not what I said now, was it? Here is what I said:
"The voices are imagined, no matter how real they seem to the person
hearing them (I know firsthand, my brother and sister are both
schizophrenic)."
I didn't say I experienced voices firsthand, I said I've experienced
people hearing voices firsthand. That means I can tell you that there
are no voices (I would have heard them, as I was right beside them)
and that the voices are in their imagination. For whatever reason.
Whatever reason means mental illness, drugs, injury. It's still in
their imagination.
It is impossible to communicate with someone who has a frozen cucumber
up their *****.
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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26 Feb 2007 05:57:06 PM |
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On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is impossible to communicate with someone who has a frozen cucumber
up their *****.
Thin-skinned, huh?
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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26 Feb 2007 06:17:03 PM |
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On Feb 26, 3:57 pm, "Pies de Arcilla" <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 26, 3:01 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is impossible to communicate with someone who has a frozen cucumber
up their *****.
Thin-skinned, huh?
Nice try. And nice job of snipping where you said "it is impossible to
communicate with someone who rejects the need for precise definitions
when talking about semantic issues" when the problem is that you are
anally retentive about language.
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| User: "Pies de Arcilla" |
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26 Feb 2007 06:50:33 PM |
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On Feb 26, 7:17 pm, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nice try. And nice job of snipping where you said "it is impossible to
communicate with someone who rejects the need for precise definitions
when talking about semantic issues" when the problem is that you are
anally retentive about language.
I like my way of putting it better.
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| User: "Les Hemmings" |
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21 Feb 2007 03:41:07 PM |
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..... spoil the wroth! ;o)
Null question. They're all imaginary!
Les
--
Remove Frontal Lobes to reply direct.
"Oh Bother!" said the Borg, "We've assimilated Pooh!"
"That's 10 times I've explained binary to you. I won't tell you a 3rd
time!"
http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/
http://www.richarddawkins.net/index.php
Les Hemmings a.a #2251 SA
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| User: "Mettas Mother" |
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21 Feb 2007 03:40:23 PM |
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It is so simple! Take DNA samples from all the GODs and compare them and
find the master DNA and the rest will be descendents! Then give the master
GOD a cell phone to which you could call to communicate!
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
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| User: "suneejan" |
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22 Feb 2007 08:44:32 AM |
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On Feb 21, 1:36?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
To know about God, read the Holy Bible. Ask God of the Bible to make
himself real to you that is unmistakenable. Search the scriptures for
the truth.
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD....IT WAS EASY!" |
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22 Feb 2007 09:12:35 AM |
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"suneejan" <suneejan2@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 1:36?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
To know about God, read the Holy Bible. Ask God of the Bible to make
himself real to you that is unmistakenable. Search the scriptures for
the truth.
there is no truth in those scriptures.dont waste your time or life on it.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: TOO MANY GODS |
22 Feb 2007 12:39:46 PM |
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"suneejan" <suneejan2@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172155472.392459.256740@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 21, 1:36?pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
There are thousands of Gods. How do we know which is the 'real'' God and
which are fakes?
How do go about authenticating what God is real?
Why does not the real God directly communicate with us?
To know about God, read the Holy Bible. Ask God of the Bible to make
himself real to you that is unmistakenable. Search the scriptures for
the truth.
Been there, done that. Nothing happened. No god did anything.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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