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02 Jan 2006 11:14:54 PM |
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Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
Tookie and The Terminator
By Patrick J. Buchanan
What is it about the fate of convicted killer Stanley "Tookie" Williams that
so engrossed the Hollyleft and Euroleft?
A founder of the Crips - a Los Angeles criminal gang whose record of murder,
rape and robbery makes Al Capone's Cicero crowd look like the Lavender Hill
Mob - Tookie was convicted in 1979 of the cold-blooded killing of four
innocent people in a pair of robberies.
Albert Owens, a 26-year-old Whittier, Calif., 7-Eleven employee, was
shotgunned to death. Days later, an elderly Asian couple who ran a motel,
Yen-I Yang and Thsai-Shai Yang, and their 43-year-old daughter, Yee Chen
Lin, all got the same treatment.
Convicted of the four murders, Tookie never repented, but protested his
innocence right up to the end. He did, however, author children's books to
teach black youth to avoid gangs and violence. Whether Tookie had a
ghostwriter remains in dispute.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger had played no role in Tookie's death sentence,
but was implored to commute it. After studying the record, however,
Schwarzenegger was convinced of two facts: First, Tookie Williams was a
cold-blooded killer. Second, Tookie, 25 years later, was still lying about
it. No repentance, no absolution. "Without an apology and atonement for
these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption," said
Arnold.
So, the governor refused to interrupt the execution of the law and, on Dec.
13, Tookie departed via lethal injection. His last request was that he be
cremated and his ashes be spread - across South Africa.
Yet, by the time of his death, Tookie Williams had become a legend. His
story was made into a cable TV movie, "Redemption," starring Jamie Foxx, and
he had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 for writing against
gangs and violence.
Foxx, fellow actor Mike Farrell and Bianca Jagger all pleaded for clemency.
And at his funeral in the 1,500-seat AME Bethel Church in Los Angeles, Jesse
Jackson and Snoop Dogg delivered eulogies. A TV screen beamed the services
to a large crowd in the parking lot.
Snoop Dogg's eulogy took the form of a poem, "Until We Meet Again," the most
arresting couplet of which was, "It's nine-fifteen on twelve thirteen/And
another black king will be taken from the scene."
Sort of calls to mind W.H. Auden's "In Memory of W.B. Yeats."
When Snoop Dogg hit his big line, "I don't believe Stan did it," applause
exploded in the parking lot, where a grieving 33-year-old Crips soldier, who
identified himself as "Kilowatt the Third," said of Tookie, "That's my role
model ... the CEO of the Crips." Kilowatt the Third did not indicate whether
he had been impressed with Tookie's late vocation as the Dr. Seuss of South
Central.
But if Tookie's star is rising, Schwarzenegger's is sinking, and nowhere
more so than in his native Austria. In Graz, where he went to school,
Schwarzenegger's name has graced the 15,300-seat soccer stadium since 1997 -
and now city officials have voted to remove it.
Arnold beat them to the punch. He told Graz's mayor the city could no longer
use his name and returned an ornate Ring of Honor given to this most famous
American ever to come out of Graz. For it was there Arnold began the
bodybuilding career that took him to the Mr. Universe title and on to
Hollywood as an action-film star known to the world as "The Terminator."
In Europe, where the death penalty has been in bad odor since Hitler, Arnold
is probably less popular than Bush. German Green Party leader Volker Beck
called his refusal to commute Tookie's sentence "cowardly." A Christian
political group in Graz wants to rename Schwarzenegger Stadium as "Tookie
Williams Stadium."
"Mr. Williams had converted and, unlike Mr. Schwarzenegger, opposed every
form of violence," said Richard Schadauer, chairman of the Association of
Christianity and Social Democracy.
According to the New York Times, a separate proposal was advanced to honor
not just Tookie, but his entire extended family by renaming the stadium
"Crips Stadium."
I am not making this up.
Mayor Siegfried Nagl of Graz, who has his eye on the ball, warns that
sweeping de-Schwarzeneggerization of Graz could cost millions in tourist
dollars. Moral indignation is fine, up to a point.
But Arnold's headaches may have just begun. Scheduled for execution on Jan.
17 is Clarence Ray Allen. In 1980, Clarence strangled a 17-year-old girl for
telling on him for burglarizing a store. Sent to Folsom Prison for life,
Allen ordered the murder of all eight witnesses against him. But his hit
man, while killing one of the witnesses, also murdered two teenage
bystanders.
Allen would seem unlikely to command much sympathy. The problem for The
Terminator is that Allen is 75, blind and a diabetic, has just suffered a
heart attack and needs open-heart surgery. As he can't walk, they will have
to wheel Clarence up to the gurney. And after him, five more executions are
scheduled for 2006.
Arnold may have seen Austria for the last time.
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
04 Jan 2006 12:51:09 AM |
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J Yo envies Pat, for having a darkie live-in maid to clean up
after him when he was growing up...a woman content to sleep in a curtained
off corner of the Buchanan's rumpus room.
Paul
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
04 Jan 2006 10:36:24 AM |
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BFE0DA8C.2A83F%p.duca@comcast.net...
J Yo envies Pat, for having a darkie live-in maid to clean up
after him when he was growing up...a woman content to sleep in a curtained
off corner of the Buchanan's rumpus room.
Yep - forget the fact that they gave a poor black woman a place to
live...............
BAM
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
04 Jan 2006 08:05:17 PM |
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in article jMSuf.98138$k76.30457@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 1/4/06 11:36 AM:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BFE0DA8C.2A83F%p.duca@comcast.net...
J Yo envies Pat, for having a darkie live-in maid to clean up
after him when he was growing up...a woman content to sleep in a curtained
off corner of the Buchanan's rumpus room.
Yep - forget the fact that they gave a poor black woman a place to
live...............
You take it a black woman is ONLY good for cleaning up after the
white folk, Bam?
Paul
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
04 Jan 2006 10:52:13 PM |
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"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BFE1E90D.2ADCC%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article jMSuf.98138$k76.30457@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 1/4/06 11:36 AM:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BFE0DA8C.2A83F%p.duca@comcast.net...
J Yo envies Pat, for having a darkie live-in maid to clean up
after him when he was growing up...a woman content to sleep in a
curtained
off corner of the Buchanan's rumpus room.
Yep - forget the fact that they gave a poor black woman a place to
live...............
You take it a black woman is ONLY good for cleaning up after the
white folk, Bam?
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou be made like him.
BAM
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| User: "erikc" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
05 Jan 2006 06:06:41 PM |
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On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 23:52:13 -0500, "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>
wrote:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BFE1E90D.2ADCC%p.duca@comcast.net...
in article jMSuf.98138$k76.30457@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 1/4/06 11:36 AM:
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BFE0DA8C.2A83F%p.duca@comcast.net...
J Yo envies Pat, for having a darkie live-in maid to clean up
after him when he was growing up...a woman content to sleep in a
curtained
off corner of the Buchanan's rumpus room.
Yep - forget the fact that they gave a poor black woman a place to
live...............
You take it a black woman is ONLY good for cleaning up after the
white folk, Bam?
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou be made like him.
BAM
*****.
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
03 Jan 2006 12:42:01 AM |
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I thought you opposed death penalty.
I guess that was just another lie...
Besides: if you really believed in your rubbish ("honesty,
intergrity...") you'd stop posting...
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
03 Jan 2006 06:05:26 PM |
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Nym-shifting loon "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> aka "IBen Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8N6dnXWkyP_NlSfeRVn-vw@giganews.com...
Tookie and The Terminator
By Patrick J. Buchanan
<crap flushed>
How ironic: "J Young" is back to trolling one of his 'altered ego' "IBen
Getiner's" favorite 'froups.
Why, only a few weeks back it was alpha-sock "IBen" talking up Arnie:
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
Subject: Arnie for Prez
Date: 15 Dec 2005 02:30:26 -0800
Message-ID: <1134642626.912008.24740@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.67
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.67
Oops!
Why not pick a nym and stick with it, schizo-troll?
LC~ Too funny.
"Everyday a different computer, everyday a different Id (those may have
to be repeated after I run out of names and numbers with my free
accounts with hotmail and yahoo and volcanomail and msn ect...) which
will render a killfile absolutely useless."
From: "simon sez" <simonsez@volcanomail.com> aka "J Young", "IBen", et al.
Message-ID: <1124475530.860458.5110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
03 Jan 2006 01:59:32 AM |
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:14:54 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com>
Tookie and The Terminator
By Patrick J. Buchanan
What is it about the fate of convicted killer Stanley "Tookie" Williams that
so engrossed the Hollyleft and Euroleft?
That jyoung sees no problem with murdering people is very telling.
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
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| User: "Donna Evleth" |
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03 Jan 2006 06:04:20 AM |
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From: Bonnie ***** <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad>
Organization: BuzzardNews.Com
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:59:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
I have a piece of advice for all female fetuses: don't be born. Stay a
fetus. You'll be treated a lot better that way.
Donna Evleth
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| User: "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" |
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03 Jan 2006 06:20:00 AM |
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In article <BFE026D3.23077%devleth@wanadoo.fr>,
Donna Evleth <devleth@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
From: Bonnie ***** <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad>
Organization: BuzzardNews.Com
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:59:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
I have a piece of advice for all female fetuses: don't be born. Stay a
fetus. You'll be treated a lot better that way.
Oh, Donna...
I do hope that you are feeling generally grumpy (Earl's unfortunate
illness may have contributed). If you hadn't been born, I would not
enjoy your level-headed contributions to this newsgroup which constitute
small but daily pleasures for me.
(it's a bit of a suck-up but it's also true)
--
Mr Q. Z. D.
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| User: "John Rennie" |
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03 Jan 2006 06:35:24 AM |
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"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <satan.notinnedmeat@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:satan.notinnedmeat-91BEFB.23200003012006@localhost...
In article <BFE026D3.23077%devleth@wanadoo.fr>,
Donna Evleth <devleth@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
From: Bonnie ***** <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad>
Organization: BuzzardNews.Com
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:59:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
I have a piece of advice for all female fetuses: don't be born. Stay a
fetus. You'll be treated a lot better that way.
Oh, Donna...
I do hope that you are feeling generally grumpy (Earl's unfortunate
illness may have contributed). If you hadn't been born, I would not
enjoy your level-headed contributions to this newsgroup which constitute
small but daily pleasures for me.
(it's a bit of a suck-up but it's also true)
Hear, hear! From fellow sucker upper.
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| User: "Cerberus" |
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03 Jan 2006 11:20:53 PM |
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:35:24 -0000, "John Rennie"
<john@rennie69.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Oh, Donna...
I do hope that you are feeling generally grumpy (Earl's unfortunate
illness may have contributed). If you hadn't been born, I would not
enjoy your level-headed contributions to this newsgroup which constitute
small but daily pleasures for me.
(it's a bit of a suck-up but it's also true)
Hear, hear! From fellow sucker upper.
Well.......you didn't get those lips from sucking Lollypops....either
of you
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WooF w00f WooF
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| User: "Donna Evleth" |
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08 Jan 2006 06:39:40 AM |
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From: "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <satan.notinnedmeat@dodo.com.au>
Organization: University of Life
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:20:00 +1100
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
In article <BFE026D3.23077%devleth@wanadoo.fr>,
Donna Evleth <devleth@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
From: Bonnie ***** <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad>
Organization: BuzzardNews.Com
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:59:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
I have a piece of advice for all female fetuses: don't be born. Stay a
fetus. You'll be treated a lot better that way.
Oh, Donna...
I do hope that you are feeling generally grumpy (Earl's unfortunate
illness may have contributed). If you hadn't been born, I would not
enjoy your level-headed contributions to this newsgroup which constitute
small but daily pleasures for me.
(it's a bit of a suck-up but it's also true)
How can I not respond to such a nice post. Yes, I am feeling generally
grumpy these days. Earl's unfortunate and serious illness is a real worry.
In addition, I myself have caught cold, which is also unfortunate since we
have been having near freezing weather here, and without Earl to share the
chores, I have to go out more often. Then, finally, I have agreed to help a
friend with her problems in her building, dealing with a water leak and also
with the other apartment owners, which may be even worse. I know I should
not have said yes to this one, but she's a good friend and I have had
experience with her kind of problem in my own building, so I may actually be
able to help her.
Despite all, I am hoping I will be less grumpy soon.
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
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Mr Q. Z. D.
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| User: "Cochon Capitaliste" |
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08 Jan 2006 07:16:04 AM |
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Its better to stay a fetus if your a female huh, Donna? Unless of
course momma decides to have an abortion in her ninth month and some
Dr. Mengle type is going to ram a pair of scissors into your skull
while your still in the womb and aspirate your brains into the toilet.
Then you will probably turn out like Donna here: alive, yet brainless,
and of course you'll grow up marry an Earl Evleth type.
Cochon Capitaliste
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| User: "Bonnie B" |
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03 Jan 2006 06:17:06 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:04:20 +0100, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Donna Evleth
<devleth@wanadoo.fr>
From: Bonnie ***** <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad>
Organization: BuzzardNews.Com
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:59:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
I have a piece of advice for all female fetuses: don't be born. Stay a
fetus. You'll be treated a lot better that way.
Yeah, 'cause that's working out so well in China. <eye roll>
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| User: "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan |
03 Jan 2006 06:24:35 AM |
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In article <1pqkr1li2jnot0jrnkc20frldi25gbrl2c@fe04.buzzardnews.com>,
Bonnie B <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:04:20 +0100, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Donna Evleth
<devleth@wanadoo.fr>
From: Bonnie ***** <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad>
Organization: BuzzardNews.Com
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholi
c,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:59:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
I have a piece of advice for all female fetuses: don't be born. Stay a
fetus. You'll be treated a lot better that way.
Yeah, 'cause that's working out so well in China. <eye roll>
If you look above you, you'll be able to see the issue sailing
nonchalantly over your pointy little head.
--
Mr Q. Z. D.
Remove luncheonmeat (truncheon) to reply.
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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03 Jan 2006 06:29:28 AM |
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:24:35 +1100, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Mr Q. Z.
Diablo" <satan.notinnedmeat@dodo.com.au>
In article <1pqkr1li2jnot0jrnkc20frldi25gbrl2c@fe04.buzzardnews.com>,
Bonnie B <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:04:20 +0100, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Donna Evleth
<devleth@wanadoo.fr>
From: Bonnie ***** <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad>
Organization: BuzzardNews.Com
Newsgroups:
alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholi
c,s
oc.culture.usa
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:59:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Tookie and The Terminator - By Patrick J. Buchanan
Special thanks to jyoung/iben for just proving my point, that you
lying christstain assholes don't care as much about living people as
you do about fetuses.
I have a piece of advice for all female fetuses: don't be born. Stay a
fetus. You'll be treated a lot better that way.
Yeah, 'cause that's working out so well in China. <eye roll>
If you look above you, you'll be able to see the issue sailing
nonchalantly over your pointy little head.
Your comprehension issues are your problem, christstain.
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