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"chibiabos" |
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09 Dec 2005 08:37:54 AM |
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Tookie Williams needs to die |
I'd like to do the whining creep myself. Two-bit criminal *****.
Big man with a shotgun but now all humble and gonna win the goddamned
Nobel prize and maybe even get off completely scot free and be a
freaking sainted black martyr mentioned in the same breath with Rosa
Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr.
My *****, you sorry piece of human fucking scum.
You should be stood against a wall while all the grieving mothers (yo
mama, too, dickfucker) of all the kids who threw their lives away
BECAUSE OF YOU, you pissant lying *****, get to whack you with
anything they can find including all that snatch you never got and bags
of fucking 50-Cent and Daz Dillinger and Tupac CDs ever pressed and
busted up TEC-9s and the screaming souls of every black man or woman
who had to endure your fucked-up, juiced up, smoked up, smacked up,
totally useless subhuman legacy.
Did you see the pictures of the people you killed, you violent piece of
mutherfucking putrescent garbage? Did you see the redheaded kid you
shot in the back? Twice? WHAT DID HE DO TO YOU?
Ohmyfuckinggod. That's right. He was white. You are black. That made
him the fucking "enemy."
HOW MUCH ***** DO WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO? It's more than any thinking,
understanding human should ever have to stomach, you fat, silly, aging
*****. He was 26 years old. His name was Albert Owens. By all accounts
he was working to get his life back together and he never did a
goddamned thing to you. He said, "Take anything you want." But you were
the nigga with the shotgun and those big blunts soaked in (GET THIS!
IT'S A RIOT!) _elephant tranquilizer_ and you didn't give a flying *****
because you were the bone, you were the MAN.
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim1adweb.jpg
Afterwards, you were hungry. You bought a Mickie-D's with the $22.50
you robbed from the till. And you laughed about killing the guy. You're
a real sly piece of work, aren't you.
You are low. You are lower than all the devils in hell. And I'm a
fucking atheist. I don't believe in hell OR devils. And I sure as *****
don't believe in you, fuckface *****. (Oh, that's right. You're on
death row. You don't even have a nice ***** to suck, there, do you? Tell
me, do you poke the pillow at night? The wall? Is your hand getting
tired?)
And I don't believe in your fucking "redemption," either. To me, you're
just another scared shitless con trying to do anything you can to avoid
the consequences of your unthinking, unfeeling, subhuman behavior.
Oh, give me a fucking break. You weren't special. Thousands of kids,
black AND white, went through a hell of a lot worse than you did, you
fucking supperating sore on a dead leper's *****, AND THEY NEVER KILLED
ANYBODY. Do you fucking understand me? You're WEAK. You're a LOSER! You
gave in because you thought it was COOL. And you made it infinitely
WORSE for your own ***** 'BROTHERS' who were just trying to get along
with people and work and play and love and grow and laugh.
But that wasn't in your picture, was it, creep. You ruined an entire
generation. You did more damage than all the slave traders in history,
than George Wallace or even George fucking Lincoln Rockwell.
Fucking redeem THAT, you putrid, too-ripe chunk of prickcheese.
You took your brothers' lives and turned them into macabre cartoon
characters, no better than zombies in a bad John Carpenter movie,
twitching bizarrely to bad poetry set to even worse drums.
You ruined an entire generation with your witless gangsta lifestyle.
That's your legacy. That's what you'll take to the grave next week.
That, and the memory of four-year-old girls killed by mistake during
all those drive-bys in South Central.
Which reminds me. There are now entire communities where decent folk
can't go anymore, largely because of useless fucks like you. I've been
to Compton, man. It's a scary fucking place. Maybe when you're gone,
the good people there will take the place back from the idiots you left
behind to run your criminal empire.
Bust a fucking cap, now, you impotent old man. I'll hand you the
fucking gun myself. Smack the ***** up and grease the ho, 'cause it's
sure a LOT better than writing bad children's books and whining to
every rich ***** in Hollywood about your impending sainthood, ain't it,
punk.
But we all know, if we gave you a gat and live caps NOW, you'd crawl in
tears to the other end of your death cell and blither in terror because
YOU'RE A FUCKING COWARD and can't even go out like a man.
Hey, how about THIS picture:
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim3adweb.jpg
Sweet, huh? Nice pattern of buckshot on the face. Hard to see it all,
since half her head's missing.
Did you enjoy that one, you creepy worse-than-a-child-fucker asswipe?
How was the goddamned entertainment value in that one, huh? Prolly a
whole lot better than a movie. The spatter was WARM when it hit your
face, wasn't it? You could smell her dying, couldn't you? You could
smell her brains, and her *****, and her panic, and you loved every
microsecond of it, and you'd do it all again because you've always been
an animal and you'll always be one.
Well, for about a week, anyway. Then you'll just be MEAT. Just like
your victims.
Ooh, I've seen the other pictures, too. Even yours. The one all the
newspapers are running, OF YOU, is soooo sweet. You look like a kindly
old grandfather, dispensing all your wisdom, making everybody happy.
Once in a while somebody will run a picture like this:
http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/004918.html
And we'll al be reminded what a dangerous ***** you really were,
and still are. I'm sure as ***** not fooled by the picture printed in
every newspaper and on every news broadcast about you this week. The
one that makes you look like an aging saint who would never hurt a fly.
What a crock of ***** you are, you and your publicity handlers.
So, I'm gonna laugh my ***** off next Tuesday when they drag you kicking
and screaming from your cell, strap you to the table, mount the IV, and
push the plungers on the cocktail of lethal drugs that will end your
existance forever. You're just one fucking loser, compared to the four
lives (that we know of) you took by your own hands, and the hundreds if
not thousands who, emulating you and your gangsta buddies, killed and
maimed their way through the last three decades.
Die, muthafucker.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
09 Dec 2005 08:39:02 PM |
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"chibiabos" <chib@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:091220050637546057%chib@nospam.com...
I'd like to do the whining creep myself. Two-bit criminal *****.
Big man with a shotgun but now all humble and gonna win the goddamned
Nobel prize and maybe even get off completely scot free and be a
freaking sainted black martyr mentioned in the same breath with Rosa
Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr.
My *****, you sorry piece of human fucking scum.
You should be stood against a wall while all the grieving mothers (yo
mama, too, dickfucker) of all the kids who threw their lives away
BECAUSE OF YOU, you pissant lying *****, get to whack you with
anything they can find including all that snatch you never got and bags
of fucking 50-Cent and Daz Dillinger and Tupac CDs ever pressed and
busted up TEC-9s and the screaming souls of every black man or woman
who had to endure your fucked-up, juiced up, smoked up, smacked up,
totally useless subhuman legacy.
Did you see the pictures of the people you killed, you violent piece of
mutherfucking putrescent garbage? Did you see the redheaded kid you
shot in the back? Twice? WHAT DID HE DO TO YOU?
Ohmyfuckinggod. That's right. He was white. You are black. That made
him the fucking "enemy."
HOW MUCH ***** DO WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO? It's more than any thinking,
understanding human should ever have to stomach, you fat, silly, aging
*****. He was 26 years old. His name was Albert Owens. By all accounts
he was working to get his life back together and he never did a
goddamned thing to you. He said, "Take anything you want." But you were
the nigga with the shotgun and those big blunts soaked in (GET THIS!
IT'S A RIOT!) _elephant tranquilizer_ and you didn't give a flying *****
because you were the bone, you were the MAN.
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim1adweb.jpg
Afterwards, you were hungry. You bought a Mickie-D's with the $22.50
you robbed from the till. And you laughed about killing the guy. You're
a real sly piece of work, aren't you.
You are low. You are lower than all the devils in hell. And I'm a
fucking atheist. I don't believe in hell OR devils. And I sure as *****
don't believe in you, fuckface *****. (Oh, that's right. You're on
death row. You don't even have a nice ***** to suck, there, do you? Tell
me, do you poke the pillow at night? The wall? Is your hand getting
tired?)
And I don't believe in your fucking "redemption," either. To me, you're
just another scared shitless con trying to do anything you can to avoid
the consequences of your unthinking, unfeeling, subhuman behavior.
Oh, give me a fucking break. You weren't special. Thousands of kids,
black AND white, went through a hell of a lot worse than you did, you
fucking supperating sore on a dead leper's *****, AND THEY NEVER KILLED
ANYBODY. Do you fucking understand me? You're WEAK. You're a LOSER! You
gave in because you thought it was COOL. And you made it infinitely
WORSE for your own ***** 'BROTHERS' who were just trying to get along
with people and work and play and love and grow and laugh.
But that wasn't in your picture, was it, creep. You ruined an entire
generation. You did more damage than all the slave traders in history,
than George Wallace or even George fucking Lincoln Rockwell.
Fucking redeem THAT, you putrid, too-ripe chunk of prickcheese.
You took your brothers' lives and turned them into macabre cartoon
characters, no better than zombies in a bad John Carpenter movie,
twitching bizarrely to bad poetry set to even worse drums.
You ruined an entire generation with your witless gangsta lifestyle.
That's your legacy. That's what you'll take to the grave next week.
That, and the memory of four-year-old girls killed by mistake during
all those drive-bys in South Central.
Which reminds me. There are now entire communities where decent folk
can't go anymore, largely because of useless fucks like you. I've been
to Compton, man. It's a scary fucking place. Maybe when you're gone,
the good people there will take the place back from the idiots you left
behind to run your criminal empire.
Bust a fucking cap, now, you impotent old man. I'll hand you the
fucking gun myself. Smack the ***** up and grease the ho, 'cause it's
sure a LOT better than writing bad children's books and whining to
every rich ***** in Hollywood about your impending sainthood, ain't it,
punk.
But we all know, if we gave you a gat and live caps NOW, you'd crawl in
tears to the other end of your death cell and blither in terror because
YOU'RE A FUCKING COWARD and can't even go out like a man.
Hey, how about THIS picture:
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim3adweb.jpg
Sweet, huh? Nice pattern of buckshot on the face. Hard to see it all,
since half her head's missing.
Did you enjoy that one, you creepy worse-than-a-child-fucker asswipe?
How was the goddamned entertainment value in that one, huh? Prolly a
whole lot better than a movie. The spatter was WARM when it hit your
face, wasn't it? You could smell her dying, couldn't you? You could
smell her brains, and her *****, and her panic, and you loved every
microsecond of it, and you'd do it all again because you've always been
an animal and you'll always be one.
Well, for about a week, anyway. Then you'll just be MEAT. Just like
your victims.
Ooh, I've seen the other pictures, too. Even yours. The one all the
newspapers are running, OF YOU, is soooo sweet. You look like a kindly
old grandfather, dispensing all your wisdom, making everybody happy.
Once in a while somebody will run a picture like this:
http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/004918.html
And we'll al be reminded what a dangerous ***** you really were,
and still are. I'm sure as ***** not fooled by the picture printed in
every newspaper and on every news broadcast about you this week. The
one that makes you look like an aging saint who would never hurt a fly.
What a crock of ***** you are, you and your publicity handlers.
So, I'm gonna laugh my ***** off next Tuesday when they drag you kicking
and screaming from your cell, strap you to the table, mount the IV, and
push the plungers on the cocktail of lethal drugs that will end your
existance forever. You're just one fucking loser, compared to the four
lives (that we know of) you took by your own hands, and the hundreds if
not thousands who, emulating you and your gangsta buddies, killed and
maimed their way through the last three decades.
Die, muthafucker.
He may deserve to die, but the state shouldn't be in the business of
killing.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"I love songs about horses, railroads, land, judgement day, family, hard
times, whiskey, courtship, marriage, adultery, separation, murder, war,
prison, rambling, damnation, home, salvation, death, pride, humor, piety,
rebellion, patriotism, larceny, determination, tragedy, rowdiness,
heartbreak and love. And Mother. And God. 'Rusty Cage' must fit in some of
these categories." - J. Cash
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| User: "doktorf" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
11 Dec 2005 07:08:15 PM |
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I fail to see what this has to do with atheism. You *did* read the
topic of the group, right?
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
12 Dec 2005 05:06:54 PM |
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In article <1134349695.613906.282030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
doktorf <doktorf@tiac.net> wrote:
I fail to see what this has to do with atheism. You *did* read the
topic of the group, right?
I think atheists have the right and responsibility to discuss issues
related to death, since we're all gonna do it someday anyway.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
11 Dec 2005 09:41:06 PM |
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doktorf wrote:
I fail to see what this has to do with atheism. You *did* read the
topic of the group, right?
Show a little mercy -- chib is such a newbie, after all :-)
Sunny
who suspects doktorf would be even more annoyed if he knew which side
of the belief divide she fell on...
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| User: "doktorf" |
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12 Dec 2005 03:00:39 AM |
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Still can read.
Whatever their position is, they are off topic bigtime.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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12 Dec 2005 05:19:53 PM |
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In article <1134378039.674728.12200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
doktorf <doktorf@tiac.net> wrote:
Still can read.
Whatever their position is, they are off topic bigtime.
Also, get a real newsreader or learn how to quote text in GoogleGroups.
If you want to play netcop, it's helpful to know _all_ the rules.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "doktorf" |
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13 Dec 2005 03:53:43 AM |
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Also, get a real newsreader or learn how to quote text in GoogleGroups.
If you want to play netcop, it's helpful to know _all_ the rules.
-chib
*You* post off topic, defend it because this is you *home* group and
get all huffy about my news reader because you have no real defense? I
got two words for you, pal, and they ain't "Happy Holidays"!
No matter how I read and post to the group, I have never originated
an off topic thread, *****.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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13 Dec 2005 10:42:32 AM |
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In article <1134467623.271224.5590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
doktorf <doktorf@tiac.net> wrote:
Also, get a real newsreader or learn how to quote text in GoogleGroups.
If you want to play netcop, it's helpful to know _all_ the rules.
-chib
*You* post off topic, defend it because this is you *home* group and
get all huffy about my news reader because you have no real defense? I
got two words for you, pal, and they ain't "Happy Holidays"!
No matter how I read and post to the group, I have never originated
an off topic thread, *****.
Except that one, which is the last one of yours I'll ever read.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
12 Dec 2005 05:16:14 PM |
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In article <1134378039.674728.12200@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
doktorf <doktorf@tiac.net> wrote:
Still can read.
Whatever their position is, they are off topic bigtime.
Alt.atheism is one of the most heavily trafficked ngs on Usenet. Forty
to fifty percent of the posts are off topic. If you spend all your time
policing offenders, you'll have no time for anything else. Your choice.
I post here because I'm an atheist. Most of the regulars know me. I
consider this my "home" newsgroup. I _try_ to stay on topic but any
issue that affects me as an atheist or a citizen or a human being is
fair game, especially if it sparks lively discussion, atheism-related
or not.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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13 Dec 2005 05:49:42 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2005 01:00:39 -0800, "doktorf" <doktorf@tiac.net> wrote:
Still can read.
Whatever their position is, they are off topic bigtime.
My cousin wants me to go fishing with him this weekend but I don't
think I will.
He likes to strip nude, stick a Bowie knife between his teeth, dive in
and chase the fish about until he gets close enough to stab one.
I think it's far too cold for that right now.
Anyway, he's the only guy I know who can bark underwater and that's
way too weird for me.
Even dogs don't do that.
But I did once have an old redbone hound who liked ro jump in the
pond, pass gas, then spin around and snap at the bubbles.
One time he accidently bit his tail instead of the bubbles which was
pretty stupid and embarrassed him so he looked around like he was
really mad and growled as though someone else had done it.
He couldn't fool us though because we saw the whole thing when it
happened.
Wouldn't it be weird if people were like dogs and everytime we met
somebody we sniffed their butts?
Some people probably wouldn't like that even if it was normal.
I know I wouldn't.
I mean there are some really ugly butts out there if you think about
it which is something I try not to do very much.
That reminds me of a joke but I can't remember it all right now so
I'll have to tell it later.
I do remember it was funny as hell though and I'm laughing like crazy
just thinking about it.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Sean C" |
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09 Dec 2005 11:57:17 PM |
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In article <091220050637546057%chib@nospam.com>, chibiabos
<chib@nospam.com> wrote:
I'd like to do the whining creep myself. Two-bit criminal *****.
Big man with a shotgun but now all humble and gonna win the goddamned
Nobel prize and maybe even get off completely scot free and be a
freaking sainted black martyr mentioned in the same breath with Rosa
Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr.
My *****, you sorry piece of human fucking scum.
You should be stood against a wall while all the grieving mothers (yo
mama, too, dickfucker) of all the kids who threw their lives away
BECAUSE OF YOU, you pissant lying *****, get to whack you with
anything they can find including all that snatch you never got and bags
of fucking 50-Cent and Daz Dillinger and Tupac CDs ever pressed and
busted up TEC-9s and the screaming souls of every black man or woman
who had to endure your fucked-up, juiced up, smoked up, smacked up,
totally useless subhuman legacy.
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, but in the end, it may
be a far more civilized punishment than life in prison, depending on
the person--I know death would be my choice over a life without
freedom. I oppose it only because too many innocent people get
convicted by prosecutors who ought to be doing hard time themselves,
and the ability to kill off the victims of their crimes encourages
their malfeasance.
As for Tookie Williams, all you need to know is that he was head of the
Crips to know he has a lot more blood on his hands than anything
they've accused him of. While I believe that even some truly bad people
can be reformed (I've seen it happen to a few bastards I've encountered
in my journey), I have no sympmathy for this *****, and he is simply too
much of a sociopath to ever be trusted. He should never be released.
Whether or not he should die should be predicated entirely on what is
in the best interest of society, and of his victims. If his current
role as an anti-gang crusader, bogus or not, renders him of any use, he
should continue to be used in this role, if the families of the victims
are amenable to that. If not, adios, cabron.
As a liberal I agree that the "eye-for-an-eye" mentality has always
been a cancer in this society, and we sentence people to outrageously
long terms in prison for the most piddling crimes. We have a
Christianity-based, punishment society, and this has to change. But
there are times when meting out hard justice is wholly approrpriate,
and I wouldn't lose any sleep if Bushco went to the gallows
side-by-side with this scumbag, as they are birds of a feather.
Sean C
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Dec 2005 12:19:34 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:37:54 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
I'd like to do the whining creep myself.
The sorry flotsam breathes no more.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "atheist@home" |
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10 Dec 2005 01:42:57 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:37:54 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
I'd like to do the whining creep myself. Two-bit criminal *****.
Big man with a shotgun but now all humble and gonna win the goddamned
Nobel prize and maybe even get off completely scot free and be a
freaking sainted black martyr mentioned in the same breath with Rosa
Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr.
Well done.
Work of art actually.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "raven1" |
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09 Dec 2005 05:37:21 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:37:54 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
As much as I'd like to agree, I keep remembering the words JRR Tolkien
gave to Gandalf on the subject:
"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And
some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them ? Then do not be
too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot
see all ends."
I'd like to do the whining creep myself. Two-bit criminal *****.
Big man with a shotgun but now all humble and gonna win the goddamned
Nobel prize and maybe even get off completely scot free and be a
freaking sainted black martyr mentioned in the same breath with Rosa
Parks and Martin Luther King, Jr.
My *****, you sorry piece of human fucking scum.
You should be stood against a wall while all the grieving mothers (yo
mama, too, dickfucker) of all the kids who threw their lives away
BECAUSE OF YOU, you pissant lying *****, get to whack you with
anything they can find including all that snatch you never got and bags
of fucking 50-Cent and Daz Dillinger and Tupac CDs ever pressed and
busted up TEC-9s and the screaming souls of every black man or woman
who had to endure your fucked-up, juiced up, smoked up, smacked up,
totally useless subhuman legacy.
Did you see the pictures of the people you killed, you violent piece of
mutherfucking putrescent garbage? Did you see the redheaded kid you
shot in the back? Twice? WHAT DID HE DO TO YOU?
Ohmyfuckinggod. That's right. He was white. You are black. That made
him the fucking "enemy."
HOW MUCH ***** DO WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO? It's more than any thinking,
understanding human should ever have to stomach, you fat, silly, aging
*****. He was 26 years old. His name was Albert Owens. By all accounts
he was working to get his life back together and he never did a
goddamned thing to you. He said, "Take anything you want." But you were
the nigga with the shotgun and those big blunts soaked in (GET THIS!
IT'S A RIOT!) _elephant tranquilizer_ and you didn't give a flying *****
because you were the bone, you were the MAN.
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim1adweb.jpg
Afterwards, you were hungry. You bought a Mickie-D's with the $22.50
you robbed from the till. And you laughed about killing the guy. You're
a real sly piece of work, aren't you.
You are low. You are lower than all the devils in hell. And I'm a
fucking atheist. I don't believe in hell OR devils. And I sure as *****
don't believe in you, fuckface *****. (Oh, that's right. You're on
death row. You don't even have a nice ***** to suck, there, do you? Tell
me, do you poke the pillow at night? The wall? Is your hand getting
tired?)
And I don't believe in your fucking "redemption," either. To me, you're
just another scared shitless con trying to do anything you can to avoid
the consequences of your unthinking, unfeeling, subhuman behavior.
Oh, give me a fucking break. You weren't special. Thousands of kids,
black AND white, went through a hell of a lot worse than you did, you
fucking supperating sore on a dead leper's *****, AND THEY NEVER KILLED
ANYBODY. Do you fucking understand me? You're WEAK. You're a LOSER! You
gave in because you thought it was COOL. And you made it infinitely
WORSE for your own ***** 'BROTHERS' who were just trying to get along
with people and work and play and love and grow and laugh.
But that wasn't in your picture, was it, creep. You ruined an entire
generation. You did more damage than all the slave traders in history,
than George Wallace or even George fucking Lincoln Rockwell.
Fucking redeem THAT, you putrid, too-ripe chunk of prickcheese.
You took your brothers' lives and turned them into macabre cartoon
characters, no better than zombies in a bad John Carpenter movie,
twitching bizarrely to bad poetry set to even worse drums.
You ruined an entire generation with your witless gangsta lifestyle.
That's your legacy. That's what you'll take to the grave next week.
That, and the memory of four-year-old girls killed by mistake during
all those drive-bys in South Central.
Which reminds me. There are now entire communities where decent folk
can't go anymore, largely because of useless fucks like you. I've been
to Compton, man. It's a scary fucking place. Maybe when you're gone,
the good people there will take the place back from the idiots you left
behind to run your criminal empire.
Bust a fucking cap, now, you impotent old man. I'll hand you the
fucking gun myself. Smack the ***** up and grease the ho, 'cause it's
sure a LOT better than writing bad children's books and whining to
every rich ***** in Hollywood about your impending sainthood, ain't it,
punk.
But we all know, if we gave you a gat and live caps NOW, you'd crawl in
tears to the other end of your death cell and blither in terror because
YOU'RE A FUCKING COWARD and can't even go out like a man.
Hey, how about THIS picture:
http://www.johnandkenshow.com/blogimages/tookievictim3adweb.jpg
Sweet, huh? Nice pattern of buckshot on the face. Hard to see it all,
since half her head's missing.
Did you enjoy that one, you creepy worse-than-a-child-fucker asswipe?
How was the goddamned entertainment value in that one, huh? Prolly a
whole lot better than a movie. The spatter was WARM when it hit your
face, wasn't it? You could smell her dying, couldn't you? You could
smell her brains, and her *****, and her panic, and you loved every
microsecond of it, and you'd do it all again because you've always been
an animal and you'll always be one.
Well, for about a week, anyway. Then you'll just be MEAT. Just like
your victims.
Ooh, I've seen the other pictures, too. Even yours. The one all the
newspapers are running, OF YOU, is soooo sweet. You look like a kindly
old grandfather, dispensing all your wisdom, making everybody happy.
Once in a while somebody will run a picture like this:
http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/004918.html
And we'll al be reminded what a dangerous ***** you really were,
and still are. I'm sure as ***** not fooled by the picture printed in
every newspaper and on every news broadcast about you this week. The
one that makes you look like an aging saint who would never hurt a fly.
What a crock of ***** you are, you and your publicity handlers.
So, I'm gonna laugh my ***** off next Tuesday when they drag you kicking
and screaming from your cell, strap you to the table, mount the IV, and
push the plungers on the cocktail of lethal drugs that will end your
existance forever. You're just one fucking loser, compared to the four
lives (that we know of) you took by your own hands, and the hundreds if
not thousands who, emulating you and your gangsta buddies, killed and
maimed their way through the last three decades.
Die, muthafucker.
-chib
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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09 Dec 2005 07:50:35 PM |
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In article <645kp19t8c84ct8ct630v3fdj6rn4s6r9q@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:37:54 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
As much as I'd like to agree, I keep remembering the words JRR Tolkien
gave to Gandalf on the subject:
"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And
some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them ? Then do not be
too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot
see all ends."
JRR Tolkien was a great fantasy writer. I'm just a dumb printer who has
to live in the real world. The pithiest thing I can think to say is,
"Hey, where do I volunteer to push the plunger?"
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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10 Dec 2005 01:31:35 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:50:35 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <645kp19t8c84ct8ct630v3fdj6rn4s6r9q@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:37:54 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
As much as I'd like to agree, I keep remembering the words JRR Tolkien
gave to Gandalf on the subject:
"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And
some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them ? Then do not be
too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot
see all ends."
JRR Tolkien was a great fantasy writer. I'm just a dumb printer who has
to live in the real world. The pithiest thing I can think to say is,
"Hey, where do I volunteer to push the plunger?"
Well, here's a reality for you.
If his sentence is commuted he will likely terrorize the rest of the
prison population, guards and prisoners alike as long as he lives.
<You know what he's going to be looking for if and when he get's off
death row>
And all it takes is a phone call for him to take care of other
business.
It happened to a friend of a friend of mine who was a coworker at the
county jail here. A loving husband and devoted father. Gunned down and
murdered in his driveway. A jailed gang leader just picked up the
phone and gave the order. My friend was pretty scared for a while
afterwards because he had "dissed" the bad guy too. Luckily the
shooters were caught pretty quick and told their story and the gang
leader was put in solitary by a judge and denied phone privilages.
And any one can nominate anyone for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Hell, Arafat even won the thing.
And as I understand it Tookie's best seller sold all of three hundred
copies.
I'm personally opposed to the death penality for a number of reasons
but sympathy for the bad guy is not one of them.
But they can't keep this guy in solitary on bread and water and
without books and a tv for the rest of his life.
Or away from a phone.
atheist@home#1554
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10 Dec 2005 02:56:29 PM |
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"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote:
--snip--
I'm personally opposed to the death penality for a
number of reasons but sympathy for the bad guy is
not one of them. But they can't keep this guy in
solitary on bread and water and without books and
a tv for the rest of his life. Or away from a phone.
Why not?
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Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH
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"Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil
eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats." - Pr.23:6
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10 Dec 2005 05:44:23 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:56:29 -0600, Mike Smith
<mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote:
"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote:
--snip--
I'm personally opposed to the death penality for a
number of reasons but sympathy for the bad guy is
not one of them. But they can't keep this guy in
solitary on bread and water and without books and
a tv for the rest of his life. Or away from a phone.
Why not?
Cruel and unusual punishment.
Somebody at some point would eventually have him released into the
general population.
The professionally compassionate among us wouldn't allow him to be
punished so severely.
Compassion is an odd thing sometimes when it's focused in a particular
direction on specific people.
In this case for instance those who are displaying compassion for
Williams seem to be ignoring the realities of prison life which while
not a pleasant thing for most is something that many prisoners adapt
to reasonably well.
Richard Speck http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/speck/speckmain.htm
was one of those and said that if the courts knew how much fun he was
going to have in prison they would have killed him.
<I actually saw and heard him laughlingly say that on video>
There are power structures within prison society and the strong and
willingly violent often end up being the leaders.
They have everything they need in life, sex, drugs, status and power.
Non violent offenders can be beaten and raped and forced to serve as
sex partners for stronger prisoners for protection and also be forced
to give up their money and other property.
Somebody should have some compassion for them when it comes to
decisions to release men as naturally violent and demanding as
Williams in their midst.
atheist@home1554
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12 Dec 2005 09:07:35 PM |
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"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote:
Mike Smith <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote:
--snip--
I'm personally opposed to the death penality for
a number of reasons but sympathy for the bad
guy is not one of them. But they can't keep this
guy in solitary on bread and water and without
books and a tv for the rest of his life. Or away
from a phone.
Why not?
Cruel and unusual punishment.
With his record, that's a little ironic :-)
Somebody at some point would eventually have
him released into the general population. The
professionally compassionate among us wouldn't
allow him to be punished so severely.
I didn't mean "why not" politically; I meant it
pragmatically. He'd be truly removed from the
population - cons or otherwise - that way.
Compassion is an odd thing sometimes when it's
focused in a particular direction on specific people.
In this case for instance those who are displaying
compassion for Williams seem to be ignoring the
realities of prison life which while not a pleasant
thing for most is something that many prisoners
adapt to reasonably well. Richard Speck
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/speck/speckmain.htm
was one of those and said that if the courts knew
how much fun he was going to have in prison they
would have killed him. <I actually saw and heard
him laughlingly say that on video>
Yeah. These people are different, alright.
I don't know if I ever mentioned that my dad (state
prison system) talked to Ed Gein.
http://tinyurl.com/80uw
Dad said you'd never know who or what he was,
just talking to him. Quiet, polite, no "Tookie" macho
attitude. Inhuman. IMO, a more dangerous type of
killer, because he didn't advertise.
There are power structures within prison society
and the strong and willingly violent often end up
being the leaders. They have everything they
need in life, sex, drugs, status and power.
Non violent offenders can be beaten and raped
and forced to serve as sex partners for stronger
prisoners for protection and also be forced to
give up their money and other property.
And their dignity, and sometimes their sanity...
And sometimes these non-violent guys learn to
be violent if they want to survive.
Book recommendation: http://tinyurl.com/7n8ep
Fiction, but IMO gives a look into prison power
struggles, etc.
Somebody should have some compassion for
them when it comes to decisions to release men
as naturally violent and demanding as Williams
in their midst.
I sometimes think there should be separate
facilities for men like "Tookie" and the guy who
kills in a blind rage - catches his wife with another
guy, or something. This guy will probably never
kill again, is probably genuinely remorseful about
what he's done. He'll do his time and come out
a husk... unless he's forced to survive in an
environment with "Tookie" types.
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ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH
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"Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil
eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats." - Pr.23:6
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13 Dec 2005 06:10:46 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0600, Mike Smith
<mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote:
"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote:
Mike Smith <mikesmith@godisdead.com> wrote:
--snip--
I'm personally opposed to the death penality for
a number of reasons but sympathy for the bad
guy is not one of them. But they can't keep this
guy in solitary on bread and water and without
books and a tv for the rest of his life. Or away
from a phone.
Why not?
Cruel and unusual punishment.
With his record, that's a little ironic :-)
Ain't it though.
Somebody at some point would eventually have
him released into the general population. The
professionally compassionate among us wouldn't
allow him to be punished so severely.
I didn't mean "why not" politically; I meant it
pragmatically. He'd be truly removed from the
population - cons or otherwise - that way.
I would prefer that myself.
Compassion is an odd thing sometimes when it's
focused in a particular direction on specific people.
In this case for instance those who are displaying
compassion for Williams seem to be ignoring the
realities of prison life which while not a pleasant
thing for most is something that many prisoners
adapt to reasonably well. Richard Speck
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/speck/speckmain.htm
was one of those and said that if the courts knew
how much fun he was going to have in prison they
would have killed him. <I actually saw and heard
him laughlingly say that on video>
Yeah. These people are different, alright.
I don't know if I ever mentioned that my dad (state
prison system) talked to Ed Gein.
http://tinyurl.com/80uw
Dad said you'd never know who or what he was,
just talking to him. Quiet, polite, no "Tookie" macho
attitude. Inhuman. IMO, a more dangerous type of
killer, because he didn't advertise.
Yikes!
Talk about the hebbie jeebies.
That's the only type killer that as far as I know I haven't
encountered.
The ones I've always found the most unnerving were the ones who
actually didn't feel anything at all about killing.
Strange people.
Absolutely no concept of conscience.
I once asked a guy I worked with why he had killed a certain man and
he laughed and replied "He needed killing."
No remorse, no guilt, absolutely nothing.
There are power structures within prison society
and the strong and willingly violent often end up
being the leaders. They have everything they
need in life, sex, drugs, status and power.
Non violent offenders can be beaten and raped
and forced to serve as sex partners for stronger
prisoners for protection and also be forced to
give up their money and other property.
And their dignity, and sometimes their sanity...
And sometimes these non-violent guys learn to
be violent if they want to survive.
Book recommendation: http://tinyurl.com/7n8ep
Fiction, but IMO gives a look into prison power
struggles, etc.
I'll check into it.
Somebody should have some compassion for
them when it comes to decisions to release men
as naturally violent and demanding as Williams
in their midst.
I sometimes think there should be separate
facilities for men like "Tookie" and the guy who
kills in a blind rage - catches his wife with another
guy, or something. This guy will probably never
kill again, is probably genuinely remorseful about
what he's done. He'll do his time and come out
a husk... unless he's forced to survive in an
environment with "Tookie" types.
I agree.
Prison is a scary place largely due to people like him.
But he's not scary anymore.
Funny thing, I don't think the state should have a right to kill a
citizen but I believe I should have the right to kill anybody who does
what Tookie did if he did it to somebody I love.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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10 Dec 2005 12:52:53 PM |
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In article <gj5lp1htr41t2h1qoi8fgj11bk7guassng@4ax.com>,
"atheist@home" <atheist@home.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:50:35 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <645kp19t8c84ct8ct630v3fdj6rn4s6r9q@4ax.com>, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 06:37:54 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
As much as I'd like to agree, I keep remembering the words JRR Tolkien
gave to Gandalf on the subject:
"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And
some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them ? Then do not be
too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot
see all ends."
JRR Tolkien was a great fantasy writer. I'm just a dumb printer who has
to live in the real world. The pithiest thing I can think to say is,
"Hey, where do I volunteer to push the plunger?"
Well, here's a reality for you.
If his sentence is commuted he will likely terrorize the rest of the
prison population, guards and prisoners alike as long as he lives.
<You know what he's going to be looking for if and when he get's off
death row>
And all it takes is a phone call for him to take care of other
business.
It happened to a friend of a friend of mine who was a coworker at the
county jail here. A loving husband and devoted father. Gunned down and
murdered in his driveway. A jailed gang leader just picked up the
phone and gave the order. My friend was pretty scared for a while
afterwards because he had "dissed" the bad guy too. Luckily the
shooters were caught pretty quick and told their story and the gang
leader was put in solitary by a judge and denied phone privilages.
And any one can nominate anyone for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Hell, Arafat even won the thing.
Not to mention Kissinger. Tom Lehrer said, 'that made political satire
obsolete.'
And as I understand it Tookie's best seller sold all of three hundred
copies.
I'm personally opposed to the death penality for a number of reasons
but sympathy for the bad guy is not one of them.
But they can't keep this guy in solitary on bread and water and
without books and a tv for the rest of his life.
Or away from a phone.
atheist@home#1554
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"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any
charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgement of his
peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totali-
tarian government whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov 21, 1943
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09 Dec 2005 04:19:03 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet chibiabos (chib@nospam.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
I'd like to do the whining creep myself.
I'd like to do away with the death penalty in America altogether. The
USA is now in the company of mostly third-world nations that still
practice it. There is no way to kill a person comfortably, short of
blowing their brains out or dropping them from a great height. It is
abominable, cruel and unusual, and it puts the punisher on the same level
as the punished.
Besides, once the condemned loses consciousness, it's the easy way out.
Some even want it, and by instructing their lawyers not to seek any
appeals it can be considered State-Assisted Suicide. I think it's much
more satisfying to know that your deceased family member's murderer has
been sitting in a 9X4 concrete box for the last 30 years, wasting away
slowly, than having him put blissfully to sleep, as the proponents of
lethal injection claim.
Tookie does not belong back out on the street. But it can be proven, if
necessary, that he has reformed in a big way. Commuting the death
penalty to life without parole may be a harsher punishment, as he will
die in San Quentin, but his living situation will improve slightly. That
would be a sign of a healthy societal attitude, instead of this biblical
eye-for-an-eye ***** we just can't seem to grow out of.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors
of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this
same God drowned infants in their cribs. - Sam Harris
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09 Dec 2005 07:30:29 PM |
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In article <Xns97279198E55C6vicman@216.196.97.136>, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet chibiabos (chib@nospam.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
I'd like to do the whining creep myself.
I'd like to do away with the death penalty in America altogether.
I'd like to do away with any reasons for it altogether. Human nature
suggests that won't happen. Until then, society has the right to
protect itself. Tookie Williams is actively seeking not only clemency
for his murders, but reversal of his convictions based on accusations
of irregularities at his trials. If he gets out, I hope he comes to
live in your neighborhood.
The
USA is now in the company of mostly third-world nations that still
practice it. There is no way to kill a person comfortably, short of
blowing their brains out or dropping them from a great height. It is
abominable, cruel and unusual, and it puts the punisher on the same level
as the punished.
In Tookie Willilams' case, I'd like to be on that level. As I mentioned
in my OP, I'd like to push the plungers on the IV myself. I hope he can
feel every molecule burning like spinning, red-hot chainsaws as it
enters his veins. I hope the ***** _hurts_ when he dies.
You really need to look up this creep. Do you suppose the murders he
was convicted of were the only ones he committed? Do you remember
drive-bys? Do you remember the untold carnage in South Central, in
Compton? The lost lives, the lost opportunities? The innocent
bystanders, many of them little black kids who never had a chance
because of this loser's psychopathic inability to play well with
others?
Some people need killing. Make your own list. Tookie's on mine.
Besides, once the condemned loses consciousness, it's the easy way out.
Some even want it, and by instructing their lawyers not to seek any
appeals it can be considered State-Assisted Suicide. I think it's much
more satisfying to know that your deceased family member's murderer has
been sitting in a 9X4 concrete box for the last 30 years, wasting away
slowly, than having him put blissfully to sleep, as the proponents of
lethal injection claim.
This ***** has NOT been wasting away. He gets nutritious
meals, reasonable health care, dental care, access to exercise
facilities most of us have to pay dozens of dollars per month for,
writing materials, and the use of one of the world's best law libraries
with which to harass his captors (us) with endless frivolous, nuisance
lawsuits and appeals, and now, apparently unfettered access to mass
media in which to plead his case. The only thing he can't do is come
and go freely. Given his history and his connections, believe me, this
last is a very good thing.
Tookie does not belong back out on the street. But it can be proven, if
necessary, that he has reformed in a big way. Commuting the death
penalty to life without parole may be a harsher punishment, as he will
die in San Quentin, but his living situation will improve slightly. That
would be a sign of a healthy societal attitude, instead of this biblical
eye-for-an-eye ***** we just can't seem to grow out of.
Tookie belongs in a much smaller box than the one he currently
inhabits. No other outcome is acceptable for this piece of human trash.
His own actions show just how cheaply he regards life. Let's not
disabuse him of his long-held nonchalance towards it.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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09 Dec 2005 11:16:55 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet chibiabos (chib@nospam.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
In article <Xns97279198E55C6vicman@216.196.97.136>, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet chibiabos
(chib@nospam.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I'd like to do the whining creep myself.
I'd like to do away with the death penalty in America altogether.
I'd like to do away with any reasons for it altogether. Human nature
suggests that won't happen. Until then, society has the right to
protect itself. Tookie Williams is actively seeking not only clemency
for his murders, but reversal of his convictions based on accusations
of irregularities at his trials.
He has also maintained his innocence since his conviction 25 years ago.
If he gets out, I hope he comes to
live in your neighborhood.
Why? You don't like me anymore? ;-)
The
USA is now in the company of mostly third-world nations that still
practice it. There is no way to kill a person comfortably, short of
blowing their brains out or dropping them from a great height. It is
abominable, cruel and unusual, and it puts the punisher on the same
level as the punished.
In Tookie Willilams' case, I'd like to be on that level. As I
mentioned in my OP, I'd like to push the plungers on the IV myself. I
hope he can feel every molecule burning like spinning, red-hot
chainsaws as it enters his veins. I hope the ***** _hurts_ when
he dies.
You really need to look up this creep. Do you suppose the murders he
was convicted of were the only ones he committed? Do you remember
drive-bys? Do you remember the untold carnage in South Central, in
Compton? The lost lives, the lost opportunities? The innocent
bystanders, many of them little black kids who never had a chance
because of this loser's psychopathic inability to play well with
others?
Gooooood! I can feeeeeel your hate rising up inside you. Take your Jedi
weapon. Strike me down with it, and your move to the Dark Side will be
complete!
Some people need killing. Make your own list. Tookie's on mine.
Besides, once the condemned loses consciousness, it's the easy way
out. Some even want it, and by instructing their lawyers not to seek
any appeals it can be considered State-Assisted Suicide. I think
it's much more satisfying to know that your deceased family member's
murderer has been sitting in a 9X4 concrete box for the last 30
years, wasting away slowly, than having him put blissfully to sleep,
as the proponents of lethal injection claim.
This ***** has NOT been wasting away. He gets nutritious
meals, reasonable health care, dental care, access to exercise
facilities most of us have to pay dozens of dollars per month for,
writing materials, and the use of one of the world's best law
libraries with which to harass his captors (us) with endless
frivolous, nuisance lawsuits and appeals, and now, apparently
unfettered access to mass media in which to plead his case. The only
thing he can't do is come and go freely. Given his history and his
connections, believe me, this last is a very good thing.
Try reading the works of Michael Hunter, another San Quentin death row
inmate. Here's a good place to start.
http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/deadmantalking/mhcadeat.htm
Hunter's term was recently commuted to life. I don't see society
suffering for that.
Tookie does not belong back out on the street. But it can be proven,
if necessary, that he has reformed in a big way. Commuting the death
penalty to life without parole may be a harsher punishment, as he
will die in San Quentin, but his living situation will improve
slightly. That would be a sign of a healthy societal attitude,
instead of this biblical eye-for-an-eye ***** we just can't seem
to grow out of.
Tookie belongs in a much smaller box than the one he currently
inhabits. No other outcome is acceptable for this piece of human
trash. His own actions show just how cheaply he regards life. Let's
not disabuse him of his long-held nonchalance towards it.
-chib
You and the rest of Hometown USA need to seriously consider an anger
management course. Even the wife of the convenience store operator who
was murdered in 1979 has not only forgiven him, she supports his efforts
to steer street kids away from gangs.
http://eurweb.com/story.cfm?id=23852
I wish more of mainstream America could be like that. In reality,
though, not in my lifetime.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors
of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this
same God drowned infants in their cribs. - Sam Harris
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
10 Dec 2005 08:36:27 AM |
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In article <Xns9727D871EDD5Dvicman@216.196.97.136>, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet chibiabos (chib@nospam.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
In article <Xns97279198E55C6vicman@216.196.97.136>, Uncle Vic
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet chibiabos
(chib@nospam.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
I'd like to do the whining creep myself.
I'd like to do away with the death penalty in America altogether.
I'd like to do away with any reasons for it altogether. Human nature
suggests that won't happen. Until then, society has the right to
protect itself. Tookie Williams is actively seeking not only clemency
for his murders, but reversal of his convictions based on accusations
of irregularities at his trials.
He has also maintained his innocence since his conviction 25 years ago.
Y'know, the fact is, this is not some poor black janitor erroneously
accused of raping and murdering a blonde, blue-eyed Georgia Tech coed
in the boiler room a generation ago. This is a hardened criminal, a
gang leader. In fact, leader of arguably the bloodiest street gang in
recent history. He's a cold-hearted killer. He doesn't know HOW to tell
the truth, about his crimes or about anything else.
All he wants to do is save his worthless *****.
If he gets out, I hope he comes to
live in your neighborhood.
Why? You don't like me anymore? ;-)
Sorry.
snipped
You and the rest of Hometown USA need to seriously consider an anger
management course.
Been there. Normal people are in no danger from me, no matter how rude,
insensitive or boorish they are. I am, believe it or not, one of the
calmest and most level-headed people I know.
But this is an odd statement coming from you, as I've seen you in a bit
of rage here on more than one occasion, too.
Tookie Williams needs to die.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
10 Dec 2005 02:14:52 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet chibiabos (chib@nospam.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Tookie Williams needs to die.
The last California governor to grant clemency in a death sentence issue
was Ronald Reagan in 1967. Although Arnold is looking to walk in Reagan's
shoes, I don't think he has the balls to do it. Williams will probably
die.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors of
a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this same
God drowned infants in their cribs. - Sam Harris
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| User: "Mike Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
09 Dec 2005 06:05:02 PM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
--snip--
There is no way to kill a person comfortably, short
of blowing their brains out or dropping them from a
great height. It is abominable, cruel and unusual,
and it puts the punisher on the same level as the
punished.
I don't think so. Is the state executing/beating/
raping/whatever-ing innocent people? No. They're
removing an obvious danger to society. Even if the
state used the exact same method as the convicted
killer, it _still_ wouldn't be morally equivalent.
Tookie does not belong back out on the street.
But it can be proven, if necessary, that he has
reformed in a big way.
Maybe he should've thought about reforming
_before_ murdering people. Sometimes you just
don't get a second chance - like, say, his victims.
Why should he?
Commuting the death penalty to life without parole
may be a harsher punishment, as he will die in San
Quentin, but his living situation will improve slightly.
That would be a sign of a healthy societal attitude,
instead of this biblical eye-for-an-eye ***** we
just can't seem to grow out of.
Well, "healthy" and "*****", as you use them,
seem to be a matter of perspective. IMO, it's hard
to beat eye-for-an-eye when it comes to fairness.
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Mike Smith | aa #1164 | Founder of SMASH
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"Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil
eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats." - Pr.23:6
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
09 Dec 2005 10:55:20 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike Smith
(mikesmith@godisdead.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
--snip--
There is no way to kill a person comfortably, short
of blowing their brains out or dropping them from a
great height. It is abominable, cruel and unusual,
and it puts the punisher on the same level as the
punished.
I don't think so. Is the state executing/beating/
raping/whatever-ing innocent people? No. They're
removing an obvious danger to society. Even if the
state used the exact same method as the convicted
killer, it _still_ wouldn't be morally equivalent.
Killing is not moral. Sometimes it is necessary in self-defense. The
State of Kahlifornia is demonstrating its lack of morality by lowering
the People to the level of a criminal.
Putting Williams in a cage for the rest of his life OTOH has the same
effect as killing him - he is removed from society. Adding "without
parole" adds the same permanency as death. It's also more cost
effective. The only thing that is not satisfied is the greedy public's
hunger for revenge.
Tookie does not belong back out on the street.
But it can be proven, if necessary, that he has
reformed in a big way.
Maybe he should've thought about reforming
_before_ murdering people. Sometimes you just
don't get a second chance - like, say, his victims.
Why should he?
Certainly not of the stste murders him back.
Commuting the death penalty to life without parole
may be a harsher punishment, as he will die in San
Quentin, but his living situation will improve slightly.
That would be a sign of a healthy societal attitude,
instead of this biblical eye-for-an-eye ***** we
just can't seem to grow out of.
Well, "healthy" and "*****", as you use them,
seem to be a matter of perspective. IMO, it's hard
to beat eye-for-an-eye when it comes to fairness.
As long as you have the right eye...
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
-----
Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors
of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this
same God drowned infants in their cribs. - Sam Harris
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
10 Dec 2005 05:59:16 AM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9727D4C8D566vicman@216.196.97.136:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike Smith
(mikesmith@godisdead.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
--snip--
There is no way to kill a person comfortably, short
of blowing their brains out or dropping them from a
great height. It is abominable, cruel and unusual,
and it puts the punisher on the same level as the
punished.
I don't think so. Is the state executing/beating/
raping/whatever-ing innocent people? No. They're
removing an obvious danger to society. Even if the
state used the exact same method as the convicted
killer, it _still_ wouldn't be morally equivalent.
Killing is not moral. Sometimes it is necessary in self-defense. The
State of Kahlifornia is demonstrating its lack of morality by lowering
the People to the level of a criminal.
Putting Williams in a cage for the rest of his life OTOH has the same
effect as killing him - he is removed from society.
But he's not removed from society - he keeps writing books and doing
interviews and otherwise influencing people outside the prison, even
from death row.
Adding "without
parole" adds the same permanency as death. It's also more cost
effective. The only thing that is not satisfied is the greedy
public's hunger for revenge.
Tookie does not belong back out on the street.
But it can be proven, if necessary, that he has
reformed in a big way.
Maybe he should've thought about reforming
_before_ murdering people. Sometimes you just
don't get a second chance - like, say, his victims.
Why should he?
Certainly not of the stste murders him back.
That's the whole point.
Commuting the death penalty to life without parole
may be a harsher punishment, as he will die in San
Quentin, but his living situation will improve slightly.
That would be a sign of a healthy societal attitude,
instead of this biblical eye-for-an-eye ***** we
just can't seem to grow out of.
Well, "healthy" and "*****", as you use them,
seem to be a matter of perspective. IMO, it's hard
to beat eye-for-an-eye when it comes to fairness.
As long as you have the right eye...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's
just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
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| User: "magilla" |
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| Title: Re: Tookie Williams needs to die |
10 Dec 2005 01:31:23 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9727D4C8D566vicman@216.196.97.136:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Mike Smith
(mikesmith@godisdead.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
--snip--
There is no way to kill a person comfortably, short
of blowing their brains out or dropping them from a
great height. It is abominable, cruel and unusual,
and it puts the punisher on the same level as the
punished.
I don't think so. Is the state executing/beating/
raping/whatever-ing innocent people? No. They're
removing an obvious danger to society. Even if the
state used the exact same method as the convicted
killer, it _still_ wouldn't be morally equivalent.
Killing is not moral. Sometimes it is necessary in self-defense. The
State of Kahlifornia is demonstrating its lack of morality by lowering
the People to the level of a criminal.
Putting Williams in a cage for the rest of his life OTOH has the same
effect as killing him - he is removed from society.
But he's not removed from society - he keeps writing books and doing
interviews and otherwise influencing people outside the prison, even
from death row.
Yes, well, even a condemned criminal still has some rights.
Adding "without
parole" adds the same permanency as death. It's also more cost
effective. The only thing that is not satisfied is the greedy
public's hunger for revenge.
Tookie does not belong back out on the street.
But it can be proven, if necessary, that he has
reformed in a big way.
Maybe he should've thought about reforming
_before_ murdering people. Sometimes you just
don't get a second chance - like, say, his victims.
Why should he?
Certainly not of the stste murders him back.
That's the whole point.
The same goes for this guy as for whatshisname- Abul Jamar? The guy in
Philly who shot the cop? As far as I am concerned, it's a matter of
"Right cause, wrong poster-child".
I am against the death penalty in all cases. I am against executing
Williams not because he doesn't deserve it, but because it allows the
state to execute innocent people. The only way to stop executing
innocent people is to stop executing everyone.
Let him rot in jail. Let him write his weewee books if he wants, as
long as you pass a law that says he cannot profit in any way from his
crime. If he wants to do some good, more power to him. But don't let
him out.
Commuting the death penalty to life without parole
may be a harsher punishment, as he will die in San
Quentin, but his living situation will improve slightly.
That would be a sign of a healthy societal attitude,
instead of this biblical eye-for-an-eye ***** we
just can't seem to grow out of.
"An eye for an eye" is not biblical; it is the Code of Hammurabi.
Christ specifically said that's NOT how things should work. Many
ignorant Christians will use the eye for an eye argument; it's quite
satisfying to turn it back on them and watch them squirm.
Chris
aa2186
Well, "healthy" and "*****", as you use them,
seem to be a matter of perspective. IMO, it's hard
to beat eye-for-an-eye when it comes to fairness.
As long as you have the right eye...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's
just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
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