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"Jason Gastrich" |
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26 Dec 2004 11:38:18 PM |
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Top 10 Reasons Why I Returned to Usenet |
10. I didn't want David Sienkiewicz to feel delusional talking to himself
about me.
9. Davey was getting lonely.
8. The time is near.
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
6. I missed spending endless hours in front of my computer.
5. I couldn't find anyone else to swear and curse at me.
4. I hadn't been meeting my daily quota for sharing the truth to
unbelievers.
3. It was time to create another email account at Yahoo.
2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without stepping in
and saying something.
1. I have nothing to hide.
Regards,
Jason Gastrich
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free
indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ
has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
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YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| Title: Re: Top 10 Reasons Why I Returned to Usenet |
29 Dec 2004 04:56:29 PM |
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< reply to talk.origins to be posted separately >
Oh, dear!
I realize, Jason, that this is supposed to be a knock-off of sorts of
the Letterman lists; but even the few that appear to be attempts at
humor are pretty pathetic.
Still, let's have a go, shall we?
Jason Gastrich wrote:
10. I didn't want David Sienkiewicz to feel delusional talking to
himself
about me.
In fact, Jason, outside of postings - which "talk to" EVERYBODY - you
are not a topic of discussion with ANYBODY.
9. Davey was getting lonely.
Davey was, in fact, engaged in a couple of threads with several people.
He wasted no time playing the sycophant to you - which gratified you no
end, I'm sure, and fed that enormous ego - but he could hardly have
been called "lonely."
Besides, he's forever boasting about his outside "real life" life -
business, family, et al. things.
I realize that was an attempt at humor, Jason, but it falls flat.
8. The time is near.
For your complete and utter evisceration?
Yes, that much is true.
But if your statement is about the return of Jesus, that time will
never come, Jason. He's dead. He's been dead for 2000 years or so.
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
Hell is a mythical place and forever is a concept of time - hardly
within the realm of human experience.
However, if your concern is that anyone here might go to Hell, you
certainly aren't showing it very well.
6. I missed spending endless hours in front of my computer.
Apparently.
5. I couldn't find anyone else to swear and curse at me.
Consider asking Andrew Dice Clay for an "interview."
4. I hadn't been meeting my daily quota for sharing the truth to
unbelievers.
Before this can happen, three other things must happen.
You must obtain truth.
You must define an "unbeliever."
You must then establish the quota.
You do not have truth, Jason. A life and ministry based on lies and
fraud does not represent truth.
3. It was time to create another email account at Yahoo.
How many does this make, Jason?
I'll answer this issue in the appropriate thread.
2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without
stepping in
and saying something.
Yes, but what does this have to to with YOUR reasons for returning to
Usenet?
1. I have nothing to hide.
No, this won't do. I think the number one reason you returned to
Usenet was this:
"I thought it was more important to spend pretty much the entire day
after Christmas - and a SUNDAY, no less - arguing on Usenet TO PROTECT
*MY* REPUTATION rather than properly observing the Sabbath and spending
the day with my friends and family."
In other words, Jason, it was all about you all along, just as it's
always been.
Yeah. That's more like it.
< snip shameless advertising >
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Top 10 Reasons Why I Returned to Usenet |
31 Dec 2004 10:38:50 PM |
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wrote:
< reply to talk.origins to be posted separately >
Oh, dear!
I realize, Jason, that this is supposed to be a knock-off of sorts of
the Letterman lists; but even the few that appear to be attempts at
humor are pretty pathetic.
Still, let's have a go, shall we?
Jason Gastrich wrote:
10. I didn't want David Sienkiewicz to feel delusional talking to
himself about me.
In fact, Jason, outside of postings - which "talk to" EVERYBODY - you
are not a topic of discussion with ANYBODY.
9. Davey was getting lonely.
Davey was, in fact, engaged in a couple of threads with several
people.
He wasted no time playing the sycophant to you - which gratified you
no end, I'm sure, and fed that enormous ego - but he could hardly have
been called "lonely."
Besides, he's forever boasting about his outside "real life" life -
business, family, et al. things.
I didn't see him boasting. I saw him talking about some things he enjoyed.
It seems that joy has been sucked out of your life in such a way that when
someone talks about something they enjoy, to you, it's bragging.
I realize that was an attempt at humor, Jason, but it falls flat.
Perhaps you should lighten up.
8. The time is near.
For your complete and utter evisceration?
Yes, that much is true.
But if your statement is about the return of Jesus, that time will
never come, Jason. He's dead. He's been dead for 2000 years or so.
Are you an atheist or just an unbeliever, David?
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
Hell is a mythical place and forever is a concept of time - hardly
within the realm of human experience.
This is your hope.
However, if your concern is that anyone here might go to Hell, you
certainly aren't showing it very well.
Part of my time is spent defending myself to fallacious attacks. We've
already seen all of them fall flat.
"Preaching" is against the rules at alt.atheism. Therefore, why are you
telling me I should be preaching? Of course, you won't be criticized for
this move. And I won't be credited, either. That's life in alt.atheism.
6. I missed spending endless hours in front of my computer.
Apparently.
5. I couldn't find anyone else to swear and curse at me.
Consider asking Andrew Dice Clay for an "interview."
4. I hadn't been meeting my daily quota for sharing the truth to
unbelievers.
Before this can happen, three other things must happen.
You must obtain truth.
You must define an "unbeliever."
You must then establish the quota.
You do not have truth, Jason. A life and ministry based on lies and
fraud does not represent truth.
These are big claims. It's too bad you can't back them up. More and more,
I'm thinking that you fled the country in order to avoid being prosecuted
for fallacious attacks such as these.
I was going to post a fresh topic for my next words, but I'll just post it
here. I know you're reading.
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have fun. That
much became obvious to me right after free.christians was created; or
perhaps sooner.
If you have some specific questions about something I said or did, now is
the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited time. Make it
quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back into the mix of the
other God-haters in usenet and move along with my activities.
3. It was time to create another email account at Yahoo.
How many does this make, Jason?
I'll answer this issue in the appropriate thread.
No idea.
Out of sheer curiosity, what is your life expectancy? You are 70 years old
and I was just curious about your health. Do you have any prayer needs,
David? Even though you have made yourself my enemy, I'd still pray for you.
2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without
stepping in and saying something.
Yes, but what does this have to to with YOUR reasons for returning to
Usenet?
I've learned several things in my return. One is that many people will
accuse me of things and have absolutely nothing to back them up with. The
circular "liar" posts from a few days ago show this. Nobody could even try
and argue why I was a liar, yet they kept calling me one. Eventually,
someone said that I was a liar because I was a Christian and all Christians
are liars. This pretty much summed it up.
In short, I'm happy to see that absolutely nobody has anything of substance
against me that I need to clarify. You, on the same hand, have nothing of
substance, too. However, I think you are assuming a few things.
You assume that I read and care about your "watch" groups when I've only
read an article or two and a headline or two.
You are also assuming that others agree with you in your assessments of me
and my actions based on the "truth" of your spin. They obviously don't
because they can't even use them as arguments against my credibility. Have
you seen anyone using them, lately? Not that there is any merit to them,
but you'd think that your buddies around here would at least be able to use
your arguments if they were quality, memorable ones. They obviously are
not.
1. I have nothing to hide.
No, this won't do. I think the number one reason you returned to
Usenet was this:
"I thought it was more important to spend pretty much the entire day
after Christmas - and a SUNDAY, no less - arguing on Usenet TO PROTECT
*MY* REPUTATION rather than properly observing the Sabbath and
spending the day with my friends and family."
In other words, Jason, it was all about you all along, just as it's
always been.
Yeah. That's more like it.
< snip shameless advertising >
I love my family and I enjoy my jobs. I'll be attending to them, soon.
As I said, coming back to usenet was a great experience for me so far. I've
realized that everyone has nothing condemning to prove about me or my
character. It's utter nonsense and juvenile behavior.
What have we covered? Domain names. My degrees. I guess that was a fine
exchange for the chance to give an argument for God's existence that was
seen by hundreds. Glory to God.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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31 Dec 2004 10:51:35 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uPpBd.36868$nP1.16892@twister.socal.rr.com...
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Are you an atheist or just an unbeliever, David?
What's the difference? No, don't tell me. You're one of those idiots who
say that an atheist says "There is no god!", right?
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
Hell is a mythical place and forever is a concept of time - hardly
within the realm of human experience.
This is your hope.
If you have anything to prove otherwise, please post it.
However, if your concern is that anyone here might go to Hell, you
certainly aren't showing it very well.
Part of my time is spent defending myself to fallacious attacks.
Not our fault you're a whiny *****.
We've
already seen all of them fall flat.
Who is this "we"? The voices in your head?
snip
snip
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have fun. That
much became obvious to me right after free.christians was created; or
perhaps sooner.
I'm sorrym, did you actually think you had a point here?
If you have some specific questions about something I said or did, now is
the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited time. Make it
quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back into the mix of the
other God-haters in usenet and move along with my activities.
PLEASE do!
snip
Out of sheer curiosity, what is your life expectancy? You are 70 years
old
and I was just curious about your health. Do you have any prayer needs,
David? Even though you have made yourself my enemy, I'd still pray for
you.
And I'd still think for you, sweetie.
I've learned several things in my return. One is that many people will
accuse me of things and have absolutely nothing to back them up with.
I've already proved you're a liar.
The
circular "liar" posts from a few days ago show this.
Oh, you mean where the one I prove you lied?
Nobody could even try
and argue why I was a liar, yet they kept calling me one.
See above. I proved you're a liar repeatedly.
Eventually,
someone said that I was a liar because I was a Christian and all
Christians
are liars.
Please show the post where someone said this.
< This pretty much summed it up.
In short, I'm happy to see that absolutely nobody has anything of
substance
against me that I need to clarify.
In short, you're a liar and I have already proved it.
snip
As I said, coming back to usenet was a great experience for me so far.
I've
realized that everyone has nothing condemning to prove about me or my
character. It's utter nonsense and juvenile behavior.
Yeah, I guess being a liar and getting it shoved in your face wasn't much
fun for you, huh?
What have we covered? Domain names. My degrees.
As well as your lies which you refuse to address because you know they're
true. Sucks to be you, doesn't it.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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01 Jan 2005 04:32:39 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uPpBd.36868$nP1.16892@twister.socal.rr.com...
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Are you an atheist or just an unbeliever, David?
What's the difference? No, don't tell me. You're one of those idiots
who
say that an atheist says "There is no god!", right?
Jason's view can be boiled down to a couple of things. Unless your
view of God is the same as his, you're an atheist.
Now, if you happen to claim you are a christian, then you're "acting"
or "arguing" like an atheist.
Either way, Jason hates atheists and tends to think he's smarter than
atheists.
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
Hell is a mythical place and forever is a concept of time - hardly
within the realm of human experience.
This is your hope.
If you have anything to prove otherwise, please post it.
Be prepared for Bible verses, which do not consitute proof.
However, if your concern is that anyone here might go to Hell, you
certainly aren't showing it very well.
Part of my time is spent defending myself to fallacious attacks.
Not our fault you're a whiny *****.
Jason does bring it on himself, yes.
Does he thrive on the attention? Sure. It feeds his ego. I know
that.
But I'm not doing what I do for that reason. It's a consequence of
what is being done that is far outweighed by the benefit, and that is
the exposure of yet another phony evangelist before his "ministry" can
get off the ground.
"Nip it in the bud," as Barney Fife would say.
We've
already seen all of them fall flat.
Who is this "we"? The voices in your head?
Jason does use "we" a lot, and I've yet to see him define "we," though
I've asked several times.
snip
snip
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have
fun. That
much became obvious to me right after free.christians was created;
or
perhaps sooner.
I'm sorrym, did you actually think you had a point here?
And actually, he's wrong. PARTS of Usenet would serve that purpose
just fine, but Jason is being disingenuous if he wants to pretend that
this is why he came to Usenet.
Yes, he "created" free.christians, but he also wandered into
talk.origins and who knows what other groups to tell the readers he was
there to save them.
HE was there...to save them.
Think about that, Jason.
If you have some specific questions about something I said or did,
now is
the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited time.
Make it
quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back into the mix of
the
other God-haters in usenet and move along with my activities.
PLEASE do!
Personally, I'd like Jason to hang around for a bit.
Of all of the complaints that I have about him, only one has been
resolved in his favor - the issue of John Collins's "web host," and
even THAT was more a confusion of terms on my part.
Still, since that clarification, I no longer have grounds to accuse
Jason of lying on that point, so I retracted and apologized.
Jason shouldn't take too much comfort in that. Clinton and Bush don't
always lie, either. Sometimes they are right about something and are
misunderstood - like anyone else.
Jason needs to go deeper than those kinds of things, and try to examine
the reasons he is so widely thought of as dishonest.
He won't do that. We can see that above.
Brave noises before the retreat.
snip
Out of sheer curiosity, what is your life expectancy? You are 70
years
old
and I was just curious about your health. Do you have any prayer
needs,
David? Even though you have made yourself my enemy, I'd still pray
for
you.
And I'd still think for you, sweetie.
I've learned several things in my return. One is that many people
will
accuse me of things and have absolutely nothing to back them up
with.
I've already proved you're a liar.
To your satisfaction - not to Jason's.
Jason will never accept that he's been shown to be wrong or that he's
been exposed as dishonest. But that's okay. Knowing that is helpful.
Personally, I'll address Jason, but he's not the audience I'm trying to
reach.
If those of us with beefs against Jason and his "ministry" approach it
that way, he's doomed from the start.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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01 Jan 2005 11:42:34 AM |
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wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uPpBd.36868$nP1.16892@twister.socal.rr.com...
snip
Are you an atheist or just an unbeliever, David?
What's the difference? No, don't tell me. You're one of those
idiots who say that an atheist says "There is no god!", right?
Jason's view can be boiled down to a couple of things. Unless your
view of God is the same as his, you're an atheist.
Now, if you happen to claim you are a christian, then you're "acting"
or "arguing" like an atheist.
Either way, Jason hates atheists and tends to think he's smarter than
atheists.
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
Hell is a mythical place and forever is a concept of time - hardly
within the realm of human experience.
This is your hope.
If you have anything to prove otherwise, please post it.
Be prepared for Bible verses, which do not consitute proof.
However, if your concern is that anyone here might go to Hell, you
certainly aren't showing it very well.
Part of my time is spent defending myself to fallacious attacks.
Not our fault you're a whiny *****.
Jason does bring it on himself, yes.
Does he thrive on the attention? Sure. It feeds his ego. I know
that.
But I'm not doing what I do for that reason. It's a consequence of
what is being done that is far outweighed by the benefit, and that is
the exposure of yet another phony evangelist before his "ministry" can
get off the ground.
"Nip it in the bud," as Barney Fife would say.
We've
already seen all of them fall flat.
Who is this "we"? The voices in your head?
Jason does use "we" a lot, and I've yet to see him define "we," though
I've asked several times.
snip
snip
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have
fun. That much became obvious to me right after free.christians
was created; or perhaps sooner.
I'm sorrym, did you actually think you had a point here?
And actually, he's wrong. PARTS of Usenet would serve that purpose
just fine, but Jason is being disingenuous if he wants to pretend that
this is why he came to Usenet.
Yes, he "created" free.christians, but he also wandered into
talk.origins and who knows what other groups to tell the readers he
was there to save them.
HE was there...to save them.
Think about that, Jason.
Think about what? Another one of your lies?
Prove it.
I'd be getting concerned or feeling uneasy if you had been able to prove
EVEN ONE of these kinds of nonsense accusations. You haven't.
Prove that I EVER said "I" was going to save someone. I know for a fact I
never have.
You made a positive statement that needs proof. Get your "search" on and
show us where I said this.
<print your retraction for lie number 89 here>
If you have some specific questions about something I said or did,
now is the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited
time. Make it quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back
into the mix of the other God-haters in usenet and move along with
my activities.
PLEASE do!
Personally, I'd like Jason to hang around for a bit.
Of all of the complaints that I have about him, only one has been
resolved in his favor - the issue of John Collins's "web host," and
even THAT was more a confusion of terms on my part.
Still, since that clarification, I no longer have grounds to accuse
Jason of lying on that point, so I retracted and apologized.
Jason shouldn't take too much comfort in that. Clinton and Bush don't
always lie, either. Sometimes they are right about something and are
misunderstood - like anyone else.
Jason needs to go deeper than those kinds of things, and try to
examine the reasons he is so widely thought of as dishonest.
He won't do that. We can see that above.
Brave noises before the retreat.
snip
Out of sheer curiosity, what is your life expectancy? You are 70
years old
and I was just curious about your health. Do you have any prayer
needs, David? Even though you have made yourself my enemy, I'd
still pray for you.
And I'd still think for you, sweetie.
I've learned several things in my return. One is that many people
will accuse me of things and have absolutely nothing to back them
up with.
I've already proved you're a liar.
To your satisfaction - not to Jason's.
Jason will never accept that he's been shown to be wrong or that he's
been exposed as dishonest. But that's okay. Knowing that is helpful.
Personally, I'll address Jason, but he's not the audience I'm trying
to reach.
If those of us with beefs against Jason and his "ministry" approach it
that way, he's doomed from the start.
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "" |
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02 Jan 2005 05:13:55 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uPpBd.36868$nP1.16892@twister.socal.rr.com...
snip
Are you an atheist or just an unbeliever, David?
What's the difference? No, don't tell me. You're one of those
idiots who say that an atheist says "There is no god!", right?
Jason's view can be boiled down to a couple of things. Unless your
view of God is the same as his, you're an atheist.
Now, if you happen to claim you are a christian, then you're
"acting"
or "arguing" like an atheist.
Either way, Jason hates atheists and tends to think he's smarter
than
atheists.
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
Hell is a mythical place and forever is a concept of time -
hardly
within the realm of human experience.
This is your hope.
If you have anything to prove otherwise, please post it.
Be prepared for Bible verses, which do not consitute proof.
However, if your concern is that anyone here might go to Hell,
you
certainly aren't showing it very well.
Part of my time is spent defending myself to fallacious attacks.
Not our fault you're a whiny *****.
Jason does bring it on himself, yes.
Does he thrive on the attention? Sure. It feeds his ego. I know
that.
But I'm not doing what I do for that reason. It's a consequence of
what is being done that is far outweighed by the benefit, and that
is
the exposure of yet another phony evangelist before his "ministry"
can
get off the ground.
"Nip it in the bud," as Barney Fife would say.
We've
already seen all of them fall flat.
Who is this "we"? The voices in your head?
Jason does use "we" a lot, and I've yet to see him define "we,"
though
I've asked several times.
snip
snip
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have
fun. That much became obvious to me right after free.christians
was created; or perhaps sooner.
I'm sorrym, did you actually think you had a point here?
And actually, he's wrong. PARTS of Usenet would serve that purpose
just fine, but Jason is being disingenuous if he wants to pretend
that
this is why he came to Usenet.
Yes, he "created" free.christians, but he also wandered into
talk.origins and who knows what other groups to tell the readers he
was there to save them.
HE was there...to save them.
Think about that, Jason.
Think about what? Another one of your lies?
Prove it.
I'd be getting concerned or feeling uneasy if you had been able to
prove
EVEN ONE of these kinds of nonsense accusations. You haven't.
Prove that I EVER said "I" was going to save someone. I know for a
fact I
never have.
Just as I know for a fact that I wasn't quoting you.
Jason, I am fully aware of the distinction between preaching and
"saving" in christian lingo, and even one so arrogant as you would not
come out and tell us you're there to "save" them.
Your argumentation is getting pretty desparate when you key in on the
common use of language and, in this case, sarcasm, while other
questions of greater import remain unanswered.
For example, I still haven't seen you tell us if the image of Michael
Newdow you have posted on michaelnewdow.com is an image for which you
own the copyright or if you lifted it from another site.
Your rhetorical games are pretty clear, Jason, just as your use of them
to avoid certain specific issues.
"Prove it?"
That seems to be the best you can do - other than repeat refuted
arguments.
You made a positive statement that needs proof. Get your "search" on
and
show us where I said this.
<print your retraction for lie number 89 here>
Prove it.
Prove I've made 89 lies.
What are the other 88?
Prove it, Jason!
PROVE IT!
See how easy that is, Jason?
You engaged in a bit of rhetoric, but if I behaved as you did (and I
illustrated that immediately above), I could say that you've made a
"positive statement" that requires proof.
We both know that you haven't shown one lie, and you certainly aren't
capable of showing 89 (or 88 OTHER "lies").
Grow up, Jason.
If you have some specific questions about something I said or
did,
now is the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited
time. Make it quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back
into the mix of the other God-haters in usenet and move along
with
my activities.
PLEASE do!
Personally, I'd like Jason to hang around for a bit.
Of all of the complaints that I have about him, only one has been
resolved in his favor - the issue of John Collins's "web host," and
even THAT was more a confusion of terms on my part.
Still, since that clarification, I no longer have grounds to accuse
Jason of lying on that point, so I retracted and apologized.
Jason shouldn't take too much comfort in that. Clinton and Bush
don't
always lie, either. Sometimes they are right about something and
are
misunderstood - like anyone else.
Jason needs to go deeper than those kinds of things, and try to
examine the reasons he is so widely thought of as dishonest.
He won't do that. We can see that above.
Brave noises before the retreat.
snip
Out of sheer curiosity, what is your life expectancy? You are 70
years old
and I was just curious about your health. Do you have any prayer
needs, David? Even though you have made yourself my enemy, I'd
still pray for you.
And I'd still think for you, sweetie.
I've learned several things in my return. One is that many
people
will accuse me of things and have absolutely nothing to back them
up with.
I've already proved you're a liar.
To your satisfaction - not to Jason's.
Jason will never accept that he's been shown to be wrong or that
he's
been exposed as dishonest. But that's okay. Knowing that is
helpful.
Personally, I'll address Jason, but he's not the audience I'm
trying
to reach.
If those of us with beefs against Jason and his "ministry" approach
it
that way, he's doomed from the start.
No attempts at a clever reply, Jason?
You're getting sloppy.
< snip shameless self-promotion >
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In our last episode
<1104575558.997428.193510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, hdsienkiewicz
lept out of the bushes shouting:
Jason does use "we" a lot, and I've yet to see him define "we," though
I've asked several times.
I just asked him if anybody else could *see these other people...
(He never answered)
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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01 Jan 2005 07:52:37 AM |
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In our last episode
<1104575558.997428.193510@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, hdsienkiewicz
lept out of the bushes shouting:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uPpBd.36868$nP1.16892@twister.socal.rr.com...
snip
Are you an atheist or just an unbeliever, David?
What's the difference? No, don't tell me. You're one of those idiots
who
say that an atheist says "There is no god!", right?
Jason's view can be boiled down to a couple of things. Unless your view
of God is the same as his, you're an atheist.
Sounds like Plastic Flake.
Now, if you happen to claim you are a christian, then you're "acting" or
"arguing" like an atheist.
And he seems to think tossing the word at people will intimidate them.
Either way, Jason hates atheists and tends to think he's smarter than
atheists.
Which endlessly amuses the actual atheists...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
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03 Jan 2005 08:14:23 AM |
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On 1 Jan 2005 02:32:39 -0800, wrote:
We've already seen all of them fall flat.
Who is this "we"? The voices in your head?
Jason does use "we" a lot, and I've yet to see him define "we," though
I've asked several times.
"We" is Jason and his sockpuppets.
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04 Jan 2005 11:51:24 PM |
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In our last episode <qokit0t4do7mo7c8cohhjfdor6odr17qn6@4ax.com>,
RainLover lept out of the bushes shouting:
On 1 Jan 2005 02:32:39 -0800, wrote:
We've already seen all of them fall flat.
Who is this "we"? The voices in your head?
Jason does use "we" a lot, and I've yet to see him define "we," though
I've asked several times.
"We" is Jason and his sockpuppets.
I haven't even seen any *sockpuppets with this guy. Apparently he's the
only one that can see this "we."
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< reply to talk.origins to be posted separately >
Oh, dear!
I realize, Jason, that this is supposed to be a knock-off of sorts
of
the Letterman lists; but even the few that appear to be attempts at
humor are pretty pathetic.
Still, let's have a go, shall we?
Jason Gastrich wrote:
10. I didn't want David Sienkiewicz to feel delusional talking to
himself about me.
In fact, Jason, outside of postings - which "talk to" EVERYBODY -
you
are not a topic of discussion with ANYBODY.
9. Davey was getting lonely.
Davey was, in fact, engaged in a couple of threads with several
people.
He wasted no time playing the sycophant to you - which gratified
you
no end, I'm sure, and fed that enormous ego - but he could hardly
have
been called "lonely."
Besides, he's forever boasting about his outside "real life" life -
business, family, et al. things.
I didn't see him boasting.
Of course you didn't, Jason.
I saw him talking about some things he enjoyed.
It seems that joy has been sucked out of your life in such a way that
when
someone talks about something they enjoy, to you, it's bragging.
Oh, hardly, Jason. You seem to miss much of the kinds of boasting that
Davey was in the habit of doing, just as you missed his comments about
your having maturity issues.
I realize that was an attempt at humor, Jason, but it falls flat.
Perhaps you should lighten up.
Perhaps you should actually try to say something that's funny.
8. The time is near.
For your complete and utter evisceration?
Yes, that much is true.
But if your statement is about the return of Jesus, that time will
never come, Jason. He's dead. He's been dead for 2000 years or
so.
Are you an atheist or just an unbeliever, David?
Define "unbeliever."
I've already said that I'm not an atheist - several times.
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
Hell is a mythical place and forever is a concept of time - hardly
within the realm of human experience.
This is your hope.
No, I know it to be true.
What evidence do you have for the existence of Hell?
However, if your concern is that anyone here might go to Hell, you
certainly aren't showing it very well.
Part of my time is spent defending myself to fallacious attacks.
We've
already seen all of them fall flat.
In your dreams, youngster.
"Preaching" is against the rules at alt.atheism.
And yet, you did it. You snuck in your preaching in your evidence for
God thread - not that that matters to you, eh?
Therefore, why are you
telling me I should be preaching?
Now, Jason, you're doing it again.
Where does it say that you should be preaching?
Of course, you won't be criticized for
this move. And I won't be credited, either. That's life in
alt.atheism.
You're discredited, Jason, by your decidedly unchristian behavior and
your lack of integrity and credibility.
6. I missed spending endless hours in front of my computer.
Apparently.
5. I couldn't find anyone else to swear and curse at me.
Consider asking Andrew Dice Clay for an "interview."
4. I hadn't been meeting my daily quota for sharing the truth to
unbelievers.
Before this can happen, three other things must happen.
You must obtain truth.
You must define an "unbeliever."
You must then establish the quota.
You do not have truth, Jason. A life and ministry based on lies
and
fraud does not represent truth.
These are big claims.
They are TRUE claims.
It's too bad you can't back them up. More and more,
I'm thinking that you fled the country in order to avoid being
prosecuted
for fallacious attacks such as these.
And what evidence do you have for that?
I left the country because I longed for my native land - a land I was
forced to flee as a child because we were run out by people who not
only had specific beliefs, but a lack of tolerance for those whom did
not believe as they did - people like YOU, Jason.
I was going to post a fresh topic for my next words, but I'll just
post it
here. I know you're reading.
Of course, I'll read, Jason, and I make no pretense to not read - as
you have.
I miss some, here and there, but that's all.
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have fun.
That
much became obvious to me right after free.christians was created; or
perhaps sooner.
If you have some specific questions about something I said or did,
now is
the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited time. Make
it
quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back into the mix of
the
other God-haters in usenet and move along with my activities.
I've already asked them, Jason - don't pretend that I haven't. I've
been asking them for months and I've responded directly to you several
times before and you ran.
All of the brave talk in the world won't change that, Jason.
And for the record, I don't hate God. Very few people here do.
Atheists generally don't hate God because they don't believe he exists
- you can't hate something that doesn't exist.
People who don't share your view of God don't hate him, either. They
just don't agree with YOU, and you can't abide that, can you?
You're intolerant, hateful and bigoted. Now I realize that that plays
right into your vision of yourself, but you distort it. You can't get
by without distortion.
You, in your arrogance, conflate God with YOU, and therein lies your
problem.
3. It was time to create another email account at Yahoo.
How many does this make, Jason?
I'll answer this issue in the appropriate thread.
No idea.
It's abuse of a free service. Whether it is specifically prohibited is
not the point.
Out of sheer curiosity, what is your life expectancy? You are 70
years old
and I was just curious about your health. Do you have any prayer
needs,
David? Even though you have made yourself my enemy, I'd still pray
for you.
First of all, I don't believe you.
I don't mind the rhetoric, Jason - I fully expect it. I know that
you've made such a hateful presence of yourself in Usenet that you feel
you'd best make amends and at least APPEAR compassionate.
But frankly, when you can sink so low as to attack a parent through her
child, I find your questions here disingenuous at best.
2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without
stepping in and saying something.
Yes, but what does this have to to with YOUR reasons for returning
to
Usenet?
I've learned several things in my return. One is that many people
will
accuse me of things and have absolutely nothing to back them up with.
Well, no, many people might do that, but most will have something to
back them up. They go with the information they have, Jason.
You could have ALWAYS come in and cleared it up - WITHOUT the
condescending talk, WITHOUT the condemnations and WITHOUT the vitriol
that wasn't characteristic of Jesus and should not be used by his
followers.
But you didn't do that, Jason.
You made excuses, you waved things off, and you launched into personal
attacks on your "enemies."
I could go on, and I will, in the messages that follow in the various
threads.
The
circular "liar" posts from a few days ago show this. Nobody could
even try
and argue why I was a liar, yet they kept calling me one.
Actually, that will depend on the subject. Some provided good cause to
believe you to be a liar. Others simply shouted at you.
Do you really think that NONE of us can ignore those and evaluate the
evidence against you and STILL come up with that conclusion, anyway?
Eventually,
someone said that I was a liar because I was a Christian and all
Christians
are liars. This pretty much summed it up.
Only for him.
Now why would you think a large group of people of all kinds would
adhere to a single viewpoint like that?
I don't buy it. I can see where it comes from and I don't buy it.
When you categorize a large group of people so simply, Jason, as you
have done and as he did there, it won't stand up to evaluation and
investigation.
I don't think all christians are liars. Liars try to deceive. Lots of
people believe things that aren't true and don't stand up to
investigation, but that doesn't mean that they are trying to deceive
anyone. It's overly simple, but there's my position on the matter.
So you're wrong. It doesn't sum it up. What it does is provide you
with yet another rhetorical excuse to wave off the valid criticisms of
Chistianity in general and your representation of it in particular.
In short, I'm happy to see that absolutely nobody has anything of
substance
against me that I need to clarify.
Wow!
For someone who has no need to clarify, what was going on in 144
messages or so since December 26th?
You, on the same hand, have nothing of substance, too. However, I
think
you are assuming a few things.
So YOU say.
You'll have to prove that to me, Jason, and you can start by humbling
that arrogant attitude of yours.
You assume that I read and care about your "watch" groups when I've
only
read an article or two and a headline or two.
Jason, it's an easy thing to wave off what you claim I "assume," but I
know people well enough to know that you read every message in the
group.
I take NOTHING you say as automatically truthful, Jason. Remember
that.
You are also assuming that others agree with you in your assessments
of me
and my actions based on the "truth" of your spin. They obviously
don't
because they can't even use them as arguments against my credibility.
Have
you seen anyone using them, lately? Not that there is any merit to
them,
but you'd think that your buddies around here would at least be able
to use
your arguments if they were quality, memorable ones. They obviously
are
not.
Now THERE'S a series of bad assumptions.
First, most of the people here are not even aware of JCSM_Watch. I
never really advertised it.
Secondly, you've only been posting for a few days, and there have
already been quite a few disputes about your character. For those who
even know what's in the Google2 group, it's always possible that they
are using their own arguments and not those of someone else - yet. Why
should they use any of my arguments when they've got their own?
Third, I have no "buddies" around here, but I do know that we all make
our own arguments based on our own ideas of what those arguments should
be. And while I can appreciate some of the arguments of some here -
and reject some others - I don't know most of them and most of them
don't know me.
You're ignoring another possibility, Jason, and that is that there are
SO MANY arguments against you that they - and you - simply haven't
gotten to mine, yet.
1. I have nothing to hide.
No, this won't do. I think the number one reason you returned to
Usenet was this:
"I thought it was more important to spend pretty much the entire
day
after Christmas - and a SUNDAY, no less - arguing on Usenet TO
PROTECT
*MY* REPUTATION rather than properly observing the Sabbath and
spending the day with my friends and family."
In other words, Jason, it was all about you all along, just as it's
always been.
Yeah. That's more like it.
< snip shameless advertising >
I love my family and I enjoy my jobs. I'll be attending to them,
soon.
But you DIDN'T on December 26th.
You thought this was more important.
That was the point, Jason.
As I said, coming back to usenet was a great experience for me so
far. I've
realized that everyone has nothing condemning to prove about me or my
character. It's utter nonsense and juvenile behavior.
Seek professional help for your delusions, Jason.
They WILL be your downfall unless you do.
What have we covered? Domain names. My degrees. I guess that was a
fine
exchange for the chance to give an argument for God's existence that
was
seen by hundreds. Glory to God.
The domain name issue remains open and an example of your underhanded
behavior with respect to abuse of the Internet and your attempts to
pull bait-and-switch on the Web.
The issue of your "degrees," and I put that in quotes since you only
have ONE that is legitimate - a psychology degree...the easiest to get
- is not even close to settled since I have yet to see you address it
in any substantive or truthful way.
And when everyone gets done with your "evidence " for God's existence,
you'll be further humiliated.
You've attempted to pump yourself up at God's expense; and this is a
view that is widely shared, Jason, yet you don't have the intelligent,
the maturity, or the discernment to see that.
It's always all about you, isn't it?
God doesn't enter into it at all.
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 04:38:50 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have fun. That
much became obvious to me right after free.christians was created; or
perhaps sooner.
If you have some specific questions about something I said or did, now is
the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited time. Make it
quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back into the mix of the
other God-haters in usenet and move along with my activities.
You're mistaking people who find you to be a liar, obnoxious, and
ingonrant to be 'god-haters'. Even if these people hate YOU, since
they don't BELIEVE in your god, they surely don't hate "God"
.... anymore than you 'hate' unicorns or satyrs.
James, Seattle
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:09:58 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 04:38:50 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Usenet isn't a place to meet fundamentalist Christians and have fun. That
much became obvious to me right after free.christians was created; or
perhaps sooner.
If you have some specific questions about something I said or did, now is
the time to ask. I'm going to be here for a very limited time. Make it
quick, David. It's nearly time to shuffle you back into the mix of the
other God-haters in usenet and move along with my activities.
You're mistaking people who find you to be a liar, obnoxious, and
ingonrant to be 'god-haters'. Even if these people hate YOU, since
they don't BELIEVE in your god, they surely don't hate "God"
... anymore than you 'hate' unicorns or satyrs.
Jason's ability to grasp your point lacks opposible thumbs.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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There was no reply to this, I see.
There are quite a few of these floating around now, Jason, i.e.,
comments by me that you are avoiding.
I realize that this was a gag list, but I did have one important thing
about this one that I wanted you to think about:
hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com wrote:
< snip >
1. I have nothing to hide.
No, this won't do. I think the number one reason you returned to
Usenet was this:
"I thought it was more important to spend pretty much the entire day
after Christmas - and a SUNDAY, no less - arguing on Usenet TO
PROTECT
*MY* REPUTATION rather than properly observing the Sabbath and
spending
the day with my friends and family."
In other words, Jason, it was all about you all along, just as it's
always been.
In case you haven't noticed, Jason, this is a widespread perception.
So tell me, why DID you decide to end your long Usenet silence if all
you have to offer is what you've given us so far?
And why did you decide to end it on the day that you did?
You spent what looks like an awful large amount of time - the day after
Christmas and a Sunday - yowling, yammering, posturing and preening,
and pretty much making an ***** of yourself
Now, Jason, no rational person will begrudge you the right to defend
yourself if you feel you are being wronged.
The timing seems rather suspect; and then there's the fact that you
spend SO MUCH time here when you should have been spending it
elsewhere.
We "atheists" could have waited another day, I think. We've waited a
long time, after all.
Was it more important for you to feed your ego on that day than it was
to do other, CHRISTIAN things like continue your observation of the
holiday, provide the appropriate attentions to those things that REALLY
matter?
You attacked Robyn unjustly for her off-handed remark about the
maturity of her child compared to you. You didn't understand it or,
more sinisterly (if there is such a word), you used that comment
rhetorically and made disparaging comments and attacked her personally
and as a parent using her child as the weapon.
Would it be fair, then, for anyone to suggest that YOU were a poor
parent because every minute you spent in Usenet is a minute you did NOT
spend with Jordan?
What do you think?
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27 Dec 2004 12:03:32 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:QuNzd.35489$nP1.31633@twister.socal.rr.com:
10. I didn't want David Sienkiewicz to feel delusional talking to
himself about me.
Funny term for dissecting your unethical business practices on the 'net.
9. Davey was getting lonely.
No, he was having a number of conversations just in T.O.
8. The time is near.
....for me to get a cold one. Your presence wasn't required.
7. Hell is forever and forever is a long, long time.
You've got a never-ending hobby, then.
6. I missed spending endless hours in front of my computer.
Porn would be a better waste of your time.
5. I couldn't find anyone else to swear and curse at me.
You don't get out enough.
4. I hadn't been meeting my daily quota for sharing the truth to
unbelievers.
Make that "swill" with "nonbelievers."
3. It was time to create another email account at Yahoo.
<yawn>
2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without
stepping in and saying something.
....thus, why you get taken to task constantly.
1. I have nothing to hide.
That's good, because you suck at it.
Any other inanities you need to get out of your system, preacher?
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27 Dec 2004 12:00:27 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without stepping
in
and saying something.
Have the lies rubbed off on you? Last time I ran into you, you popped into
a board I post on and started challenging formal debate right away. Your
proposed resolution was "The Bible teaches that the Earth is young."
I responded by saying "You should know by now what the objection is to your
statement of the resolution. A plain reading does seem to indicate a young
earth. Just as a plain reading does seem to indicate a stationary earth. The
debate is whether the plain, literal reading is what is intended or if the
message is non literal."
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/2794/9.html#000127
But you then go over to Internet Infidels forum and in response to the
statement "I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks the Bible
claims evolution happened," you respond that "You'd be surprised. I've been
talking with a guy who believes it, but he will not debate formally."
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=1873672#post1873672
You lied about what I had said. Of course in the thread in which you
challenged me you had posted your list of scientists who "rejected"
evolution. When I started pointing out that most on your list lived before
evolution came about as a theory and that many of those afterwards were old
earth, you then described your list as merely "interesting." For crying out
loud, your list includes Georges Lemaitre, the father of the big bang. A
man who estimated the age of the earth to be 10 - 20 billion years old. You
think this guy affirms a young earth?
It is funny that you went to a board set up basically for non-theists and
ask to debate a point of Biblical interpretation instead of debating the
scientific evidence for an old earth. Did you really expect a response. I
guess you have yet to find anyone to pad your debate resume since you
recently made the same challenge again. "I'm looking to debate an OEC that
believes the scriptures teach that the Earth is old. Now, science is a
different issue. I'm not as interested in discussing what Christian science
or even current, secular science says about the age of the Earth; although I
could."
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/10/4562.html
Why don't you propose to this group, or over at IIDB, a resolution along the
lines of "The scientific evidence supports only a literal, young earth
interpretation of Genesis 1-2." I bet they would be lining up to debate you
on that one.
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27 Dec 2004 12:48:01 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:00:27 +0000 (UTC), "UTEOTW"
<the_itis.thisistheparttoremove@thistoo.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:QuNzd.35489$nP1.31633@twister.socal.rr.com...
[snip]
2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without stepping
in
and saying something.
Have the lies rubbed off on you? Last time I ran into you, you popped into
a board I post on and started challenging formal debate right away. Your
proposed resolution was "The Bible teaches that the Earth is young."
It stops there. The bible doesn't teach anything - that is part of
the thought control Christianity performs on its followers.
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27 Dec 2004 03:28:39 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:00:27 +0000 (UTC), "UTEOTW"
<the_itis.thisistheparttoremove@thistoo.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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2. A person can only read nonsense and lies for so long without
stepping in
and saying something.
Have the lies rubbed off on you? Last time I ran into you, you
popped into a board I post on and started challenging formal debate
right away. Your proposed resolution was "The Bible teaches that
the Earth is young."
It stops there. The bible doesn't teach anything - that is part of
the thought control Christianity performs on its followers.
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you read the
Bible? It teaches many things. See http://bible.jcsm.org
Regards,
Jason
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John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
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Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
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27 Dec 2004 08:34:13 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Bible doesn't teach anything?
That's right
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27 Dec 2004 08:36:46 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you read the
Bible? It teaches many things. See http://bible.jcsm.org
Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
It teaches this very same god stopped the earth for a few hours so an
insignificant tribal chieftain could gain victory. Only it doesn't
teach what happend when the oceans sloshed out of their beds...
Occasionally it mentions something that is real. A real person, a real
place or very rarely a word of wisdom. (Usually stolen from other
religions.)
In fact JK Rowlings is far more accurate in her writings than the
combined bible authors.
You'd better prepare for Lord Voldemort, Jason...
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27 Dec 2004 10:06:33 PM |
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Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you
read the Bible? It teaches many things. See http://bible.jcsm.org
Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
With what set of morals can you make this judgment? Is your morality
subjective or objective? Please advise.
Regards,
Jason
It teaches this very same god stopped the earth for a few hours so an
insignificant tribal chieftain could gain victory. Only it doesn't
teach what happend when the oceans sloshed out of their beds...
Occasionally it mentions something that is real. A real person, a real
place or very rarely a word of wisdom. (Usually stolen from other
religions.)
In fact JK Rowlings is far more accurate in her writings than the
combined bible authors.
You'd better prepare for Lord Voldemort, Jason...
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Dec 2004 10:19:39 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you
read the Bible? It teaches many things. See http://bible.jcsm.org
Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
With what set of morals can you make this judgment? Is your morality
subjective or objective? Please advise.
What business of it is yours?
Why are you preaching your religion in alt.atheism?
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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28 Dec 2004 08:46:20 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you
read the Bible? It teaches many things. See
http://bible.jcsm.org Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
With what set of morals can you make this judgment? Is your morality
subjective or objective? Please advise.
What business of it is yours?
Why are you preaching your religion in alt.atheism?
If you have questions like these, then you have no business budding into my
conversation with Jos.
Regards,
Jason
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 60,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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28 Dec 2004 09:53:56 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you
read the Bible? It teaches many things. See
http://bible.jcsm.org Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
With what set of morals can you make this judgment? Is your morality
subjective or objective? Please advise.
What business of it is yours?
Why are you preaching your religion in alt.atheism?
If you have questions like these, then you have no business budding into
my
conversation with Jos.
And you can kindly ***** and die when you post your ***** in my
newsgroup.
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Resident Witchypoo
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31 Dec 2004 11:52:27 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:53:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dZ4Ad.35619$nP1.16405@twister.socal.rr.com...
Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you
read the Bible? It teaches many things. See
http://bible.jcsm.org Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
With what set of morals can you make this judgment? Is your morality
subjective or objective? Please advise.
What business of it is yours?
Why are you preaching your religion in alt.atheism?
If you have questions like these, then you have no business budding into
my
conversation with Jos.
And you can kindly ***** and die when you post your ***** in my
newsgroup.
Since nothing about Jason is kindly it won't.
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Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Dec 2004 06:13:38 PM |
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In our last episode <0leAd.35772$nP1.20470@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dZ4Ad.35619$nP1.16405@twister.socal.rr.com...
Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you
read the Bible? It teaches many things. See http://bible.jcsm.org
Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
With what set of morals can you make this judgment? Is your morality
subjective or objective? Please advise.
What business of it is yours?
Why are you preaching your religion in alt.atheism?
If you have questions like these, then you have no business budding into
my conversation with Jos.
Public newsgroup. Long as people follow the rules, they can post. You
don't own Usenet.
You're the one that whines you'll post anywhere you want. What a hypocrite
telling someone else to "butt out."
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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29 Dec 2004 03:56:53 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:46:20 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why are you preaching your religion in alt.atheism?
If you have questions like these, then you have no business budding into my
conversation with Jos.
Perhaps the Usenet is rather new to you: it is open to everybody. If
she wants to add to the debate, she is just as welcome as anybody
else.
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28 Dec 2004 04:28:53 AM |
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In article <dZ4Ad.35619$nP1.16405@twister.socal.rr.com>,
usenetspam1@yahoo.com says...
Jos Flachs" <"wcruise wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:28:39 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Bible doesn't teach anything? That's an odd claim. Have you
read the Bible? It teaches many things. See http://bible.jcsm.org
Definitely.
It teaches the earth was drowned by a malicious god.
With what set of morals can you make this judgment? Is your morality
subjective or objective? Please advise.
It's really amazing how with one breath, christians can insist
that they're vastly morally superior to atheists and with the
next they can claim that there's nothing wrong with killing
virtually every living thing on the planet.
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