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15 Aug 2007 01:05:14 AM |
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Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a
Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to
Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah
slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the
elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children,
and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about
gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy
Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the
scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find
nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen
sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the
exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all
rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And
yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have
failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor
speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove"
Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered
prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you
think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about
the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a
Christian.
news:1174085588.281549.270940@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
But what you you care, I am just a low ghetto welfare living black
puerto rican scum of the earth whose value is less that your fancy
carp in your ponds... I hope you all sleep well at night.
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| User: "bramble" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
15 Aug 2007 06:28:56 AM |
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On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a
Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to
Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah
slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the
elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children,
and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about
gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy
Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the
scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find
nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen
sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the
exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all
rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And
yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have
failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor
speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove"
Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered
prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you
think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about
the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a
Christian.
news:1174085588.281549.270940@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
But what you you care, I am just a low ghetto welfare living black
puerto rican scum of the earth whose value is less that your fancy
carp in your ponds... I hope you all sleep well at night.
very good post, Frogger
bramble
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
15 Aug 2007 09:51:49 AM |
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"bramble" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of
yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's not
forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God', his son
'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that all three of them
are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would use to
create man with? Monkey poop? Titanium would have been a little
over-the-top, don't you think?
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a
Triune God.
Look! When a 'God' says he's made up of three separate entities that have
their own separate 'personalities', occupy separate areas of 'space' -- and
hell, in the case of Jesus, even a separate gloriously bejeweled -- though
humble 'throne', they're *ONE* 'God' -- end of story!
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed
to
Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah
slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the
elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women,
children,
and trees!
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt not
kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter *every* man,
woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death and eternal damnation
in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because it's not a 'sin' if 'God'
orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need to say anything more? And that
business about drowning to death every baby and pregnant woman in that
famous 'Flood' of mine? Hey! Those creatures, along with all those animals I
drowned? Satan used every bit of supernatural evil I endowed him with to
turn them all 'evil'! I had no choice but to exterminate them. You can't
have 'evil' things polluting earth, now can you? Why even Satan himself
thought they should 'go'!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about
gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy
Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
Oh we all know that you can't *really* kill a 'God'. C'mon. You just fall
off the back of a turnip truck or something? Look. 'God' had to father
himself in order to expiate the sins he created and atone for the evil
behavior God's 'perfectly' created evil creation, 'Satan', successfully
coerced men and women throughout history into adopting. Now if that isn't
'love', I don't know what is!! C'mon! Don't you think 'God' cried when he
saw his immortal 'Son' pretend he was experiencing torture and death at the
hands of the Romans 'God' programmed to 'kill' him? Don't you have any
'heart' at all, you callous atheists? That was pretend-dying by a deity that
was worthy of *10* 'Oscars'!
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in
the
scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find
nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen
sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
You're forgetting the best 'timekeeper' of all -- 'God'. Now explain just
how carbon-14 dating, or any other method of dating devised by man, can
*possibly* compete with the divine word of the Almighty! Do you think
*anything* in the universe can compare with the accuracy of 'God's' revealed
word? Huh? And you've got to remember that when 'God' says the word 'day',
he may not mean a 24-hour 'day' we humans are used to thinking of. Oh no no
no. To him, a 'day' can mean a 'thousand years'. So forget man's fallible
methods of measuring time and stick to the proven accuracy of the bible.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the
exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in
all
rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And
yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
Hey! A deity fathered himself to appear in the guise of a human in order to
pretend to die by way of crucifixion. And for *what*, atheist?! That's
right! So that Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao would have their sins
forgiven them, you ungrateful atheist bastards! Ingrates!!
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have
failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor
speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove"
Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered
prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you
think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
Well prove it *wasn't*, Mr. Smarty-Pants.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do
about
the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a
Christian.
Didn't you ever hear the expression, 'Ignorance is Bliss'? I suggest you
take a whole heaping tablespoon of it and call me in the morning.
Now 'Greywolf', why did you have to go and be so disrespectful here? Did you
have to go and be so 'offending'? Couldn't you have made your point in a far
more subtle manner?
Hmmm. You know you're right, Me. That *was* a bit over-the-top. I'm of a
mind to just cancel this post right here and now. I don't *really* want to
offend Christians who aren't of the religious right, evangelical extremist,
variety. But let me tell you something. It's now approaching three years of
downright misery and suffering at the hands of Republican 'Christians' who
clearly have set themselves the task of making my 'existence', not 'life'
(anymore) as 'uncomfortable' as they can. Their goal is either to drive me
off my property or to suicide. I firmly believe it is the latter now. It is
cruelty rarely heaped upon another individual by community leaders and a
cadre of its residents. This is murder being perpetrated out here. And the
Democrats aren't doing a damn thing about it. This is my way of blowing off
steam, of 'venting'. So if I offend the Christian of good heart and
conscience, I don't really mean to do so. You have to accept that on faith.
What is being done to me out here is unconscionable. And what is being done
to me out here is being done by Christians who hate atheists whose sole
'crime' is that they have a strongly-held, vigorous, difference of *OPINION*
with them. There can be no other reason for it in my view -- other than to
protect the most evil, morally depraved, ethically-challenged breeder of
corruption in the entire county. If that's the case, how do these people get
off calling themselves 'Christians'?
Okay, tirade over. Am I a 'Christian'?
Greywolf
news:1174085588.281549.270940@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
But what you you care, I am just a low ghetto welfare living black
puerto rican scum of the earth whose value is less that your fancy
carp in your ponds... I hope you all sleep well at night.
very good post, Frogger
bramble
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| User: "Ernie Sty" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
07 Jan 2008 01:14:39 PM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
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"bramble" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of
yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's not
forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God', his son
'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that all three of
them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would use to
create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt not
kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter *every*
man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death and eternal
damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because it's not a 'sin'
if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me to do
it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs on innocent
civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion exists.
If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of religion.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
07 Jan 2008 03:41:29 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_email@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
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"bramble" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of
yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's not
forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God', his son
'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that all three of
them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would use to
create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt not
kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter *every*
man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death and eternal
damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because it's not a 'sin'
if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me to do
it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs on innocent
civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion exists.
If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
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| User: "Ernie Sty" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
08 Jan 2008 02:44:03 PM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_email@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
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"bramble" <leopoldo.perdomo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence
of
yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's not
forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God', his son
'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that all three of
them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that
people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the
Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would use
to
create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's
omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt not
kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter *every*
man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death and eternal
damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because it's not a 'sin'
if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need to say anything
more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me to do
it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs on innocent
civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists.
If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
LOL.
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| User: "V" |
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19 Jan 2008 06:23:34 PM |
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I was at a religious discussion where the group was composed of a wide
spectrum of believers and non believers.
One atheist said he ran his life by the golden rule.
Another person piped up that the golden rule came from the bible,
which made the atheist wince.
The atheist seemed to take pride in his self sufficiency and did not
like to run his life by anything that came out of the bible.
When it came up that the concept of golden rule might be from an
earlier source than the bible, the atheist was relieved.
This was a good reminder to me to examine where my guiding light
resides?
Is it ego based or truth based?
When the guiding light of this atheist was not grounded in the bible
he was happy. But when it came from an area that he did not like, he
was upset. How can the same material be used to build a palace by one
man, yet only build a hovel for another?
By one spiritual practitioner seeing truth and applying it to live a
life at peace. And the other person only seeing prejudice and problems
and doing nothing.
Every religion was made by man and as such every religion is imperfect
as it is run by man.
Despite these imperfections, each religion also has many
"perfection's" within it as well.
We can still be open to peace generating tools from any of the
religions and spiritual traditions that are available to us if we are
serious about being at peace.
This requires us to run our life by truth and not by prejudice.
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Therefore, whatever you want
men to do to you, do also to them" (Matthew 7:12). Nowadays this verse
is commonly referred to as "The Golden Rule," and is more commonly
quoted as: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Here
are some of the earliest sources for this concept of reciprocity
~1970-1640 BCE "Do for one who may do for you, / That you may cause
him thus to do." - The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant 109-110, Ancient
Egypt, tr. R.B. Parkinson.
* ~700 BCE "That nature only is good when it shall not do unto another
whatever is not good for its own self." - Dadistan-i-Dinik 94:5,
Zoroastrianism.
* ? BCE "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others."
- Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29, Zoroastrianism.
* ~550 BCE "You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your
countrymen. Love your fellow as yourself: I am the LORD." - Tanakh,
new JPS translation, Leviticus 19:18, Judaism.
* ~500 BCE "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find
hurtful." - Udana-Varga 5:18, Buddhism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity
Now, whether you believe in God or believe in Jesus or are an atheist
or Buddhist does this wisdom not apply to you? This truth is universal
in nature as it is based not on being of a certain religion, other
than that of the religion of humanity.
In this case, you can adopt a peace generating tool and apply it to
your life irrespective of your religious beliefs or lack thereof. I
had to chuckle one time when an atheists argued that the golden rule
is not perfect, so he said he does not follow it. When I questioned
him about what he does follow as well as the state of perfection that
applied to his life, all he could do was reply with ad hominem
attacks.
If we are waiting for perfection when it comes to spiritual studies we
will always be disappointed. Before applying perfection to anything
outside of us, we should examine the perfection within us. The nature
of humans is that of imperfection, so we must always look towards
direction and forget perfection.
I heard a story one time in a Yoga lecture that illustrates this
point. "Range is of the ego - Form is of the soul." The only thing we
need to be concerned with is how is our form when it comes to our
spiritual practice and our life.
Regarding the golden rule? It is more perfect than imperfect, so it is
a most useful tool to live a life at peace by. And when we combine it
with other tools such as universality, natural law, contrast the
greater good with the greater right, etc the synergistic effect is
close to perfection as humans can get with this subject. But it takes
some thinking and one will not see it without an open mind.
Wisdom for living a life at peace is all around us for the taking. But
many of us get blinded with labels and personal prejudices. Whenever
we take it upon ourselves to beat down, we are headed in a direction
of destroying peace. We destroy our own peace as well as others
peace.
As such, I practice from many religious and spiritual traditions
without problems or prejudices and readily look for such gifts
irrespective of what label they come under - on the contrary I am most
grateful wherever I find them. If I am not able to use a concept, I
leave it alone, but do not spend my time or energies to beat others
down. Do we like to be beaten down?
I saw some paintings in a Japanese museum that showed a cousin of the
Buddha being of great power and to show his strength he went up to a
baby elephant and pushed it down to the ground. A second painting
showed the Buddha helping this baby elephant back up to his feet and
the Buddha lifted the elephant high up over his head and said, "It is
much better to uplift - than to tear down."
Whether this is a true story or not I do not know. But we can all
benefit from uplifting rather than destroying.
I see this predisposition to destruction many times in responses I
receive from my posts.
The critiques offer much in the line of 'no goods' but they seldom do
they offer any substantive tools to finding peace.
Maybe I do not have it '100% right' but I have it 'right enough' to be
able to be at peace if I apply these principles. If I waited for
perfection, I would never act. I use the tools at hand.
Aristotle ~ "It is the mark of an educated mind to rest satisfied with
the degree of precision which the nature of the subject admits and not
to seek exactness where only an approximation is possible."
This being able to 'rest satisfied' is something the perfectionists
lack and why they will never be at peace until they stop collecting
concepts and start using the concepts of peace generations.
The atheist I mentioned above demonstrated this with his blanket
dismissal of the golden rule since it is not 100% perfect.
He could offer no substitutes for the golden rule, all he could do was
succumb to personal attacks on me.
We can examine our writing to see what useful tools for finding peace
we offer to others it also says a lot about our own practice of
generating inner peace.
When you practice peace promotion with others you will reap inner
peace promotion. When you practice destroying others peace, you will
reap self destruction of inner peace.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind-
manacled...spiritually sick...defiance based atheist.
AA#2
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| User: "Ernie Sty" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
21 Jan 2008 06:49:31 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
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I was at a religious discussion where the group was composed of a wide
spectrum of believers and non believers.
One atheist said he ran his life by the golden rule.
Another person piped up that the golden rule came from the bible,
which made the atheist wince.
The atheist seemed to take pride in his self sufficiency and did not
like to run his life by anything that came out of the bible.
When it came up that the concept of golden rule might be from an
earlier source than the bible, the atheist was relieved.
This was a good reminder to me to examine where my guiding light
resides?
Is it ego based or truth based?
When the guiding light of this atheist was not grounded in the bible
he was happy. But when it came from an area that he did not like, he
was upset. How can the same material be used to build a palace by one
man, yet only build a hovel for another?
By one spiritual practitioner seeing truth and applying it to live a
life at peace. And the other person only seeing prejudice and problems
and doing nothing.
Every religion was made by man and as such every religion is imperfect
as it is run by man.
Despite these imperfections, each religion also has many
"perfection's" within it as well.
We can still be open to peace generating tools from any of the
religions and spiritual traditions that are available to us if we are
serious about being at peace.
This requires us to run our life by truth and not by prejudice.
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Therefore, whatever you want
men to do to you, do also to them" (Matthew 7:12). Nowadays this verse
is commonly referred to as "The Golden Rule," and is more commonly
quoted as: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Here
are some of the earliest sources for this concept of reciprocity
~1970-1640 BCE "Do for one who may do for you, / That you may cause
him thus to do." - The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant 109-110, Ancient
Egypt, tr. R.B. Parkinson.
* ~700 BCE "That nature only is good when it shall not do unto another
whatever is not good for its own self." - Dadistan-i-Dinik 94:5,
Zoroastrianism.
* ? BCE "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others."
- Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29, Zoroastrianism.
* ~550 BCE "You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your
countrymen. Love your fellow as yourself: I am the LORD." - Tanakh,
new JPS translation, Leviticus 19:18, Judaism.
* ~500 BCE "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find
hurtful." - Udana-Varga 5:18, Buddhism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity
Now, whether you believe in God or believe in Jesus or are an atheist
or Buddhist does this wisdom not apply to you? This truth is universal
in nature as it is based not on being of a certain religion, other
than that of the religion of humanity.
In this case, you can adopt a peace generating tool and apply it to
your life irrespective of your religious beliefs or lack thereof. I
had to chuckle one time when an atheists argued that the golden rule
is not perfect, so he said he does not follow it. When I questioned
him about what he does follow as well as the state of perfection that
applied to his life, all he could do was reply with ad hominem
attacks.
If we are waiting for perfection when it comes to spiritual studies we
will always be disappointed. Before applying perfection to anything
outside of us, we should examine the perfection within us. The nature
of humans is that of imperfection, so we must always look towards
direction and forget perfection.
I heard a story one time in a Yoga lecture that illustrates this
point. "Range is of the ego - Form is of the soul." The only thing we
need to be concerned with is how is our form when it comes to our
spiritual practice and our life.
Regarding the golden rule? It is more perfect than imperfect, so it is
a most useful tool to live a life at peace by. And when we combine it
with other tools such as universality, natural law, contrast the
greater good with the greater right, etc the synergistic effect is
close to perfection as humans can get with this subject. But it takes
some thinking and one will not see it without an open mind.
Wisdom for living a life at peace is all around us for the taking. But
many of us get blinded with labels and personal prejudices. Whenever
we take it upon ourselves to beat down, we are headed in a direction
of destroying peace. We destroy our own peace as well as others
peace.
As such, I practice from many religious and spiritual traditions
without problems or prejudices and readily look for such gifts
irrespective of what label they come under - on the contrary I am most
grateful wherever I find them. If I am not able to use a concept, I
leave it alone, but do not spend my time or energies to beat others
down. Do we like to be beaten down?
I saw some paintings in a Japanese museum that showed a cousin of the
Buddha being of great power and to show his strength he went up to a
baby elephant and pushed it down to the ground. A second painting
showed the Buddha helping this baby elephant back up to his feet and
the Buddha lifted the elephant high up over his head and said, "It is
much better to uplift - than to tear down."
Whether this is a true story or not I do not know. But we can all
benefit from uplifting rather than destroying.
I see this predisposition to destruction many times in responses I
receive from my posts.
The critiques offer much in the line of 'no goods' but they seldom do
they offer any substantive tools to finding peace.
Maybe I do not have it '100% right' but I have it 'right enough' to be
able to be at peace if I apply these principles. If I waited for
perfection, I would never act. I use the tools at hand.
Aristotle ~ "It is the mark of an educated mind to rest satisfied with
the degree of precision which the nature of the subject admits and not
to seek exactness where only an approximation is possible."
This being able to 'rest satisfied' is something the perfectionists
lack and why they will never be at peace until they stop collecting
concepts and start using the concepts of peace generations.
The atheist I mentioned above demonstrated this with his blanket
dismissal of the golden rule since it is not 100% perfect.
He could offer no substitutes for the golden rule, all he could do was
succumb to personal attacks on me.
We can examine our writing to see what useful tools for finding peace
we offer to others it also says a lot about our own practice of
generating inner peace.
When you practice peace promotion with others you will reap inner
peace promotion. When you practice destroying others peace, you will
reap self destruction of inner peace.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind-
manacled...spiritually sick...defiance based atheist.
AA#2
Beautifully said. I also have a problem with taking the golden rule too
literally, but agree that the sentiment behind it, which I define as being
kind to others, is a more sensible and less self-destructive way to live
than any alternatives I can think of.
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V said the following on 1/19/2008 4:23 PM:
I was at a religious discussion where the group was composed of a wide
spectrum of believers and non believers.
One atheist said he ran his life by the golden rule.
Another person piped up that the golden rule came from the bible,
which made the atheist wince.
The Golden Rule does not come from the Bible.
"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you
pain if done to you." --Mahabharata 5:1517, circa 3000BC
The atheist seemed to take pride in his self sufficiency and did not
like to run his life by anything that came out of the bible.
I think you're lying.
When it came up that the concept of golden rule might be from an
earlier source than the bible, the atheist was relieved.
Relieved, huh? Or is that what you're imagining?
This was a good reminder to me to examine where my guiding light
resides?
Is it ego based or truth based?
Ego based, most definitely.
When the guiding light of this atheist was not grounded in the bible
he was happy.
You're probably lying about this atheist just like you lie about those
in alt.atheism. I wonder if this atheist even exists at all.
But when it came from an area that he did not like, he
was upset. How can the same material be used to build a palace by one
man, yet only build a hovel for another?
By one spiritual practitioner seeing truth and applying it to live a
life at peace. And the other person only seeing prejudice and problems
and doing nothing.
Every religion was made by man and as such every religion is imperfect
as it is run by man.
Despite these imperfections, each religion also has many
"perfection's" within it as well.
Except for the incorrect apostrophe usage.
We can still be open to peace generating tools from any of the
religions and spiritual traditions that are available to us if we are
serious about being at peace.
This requires us to run our life by truth and not by prejudice.
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said:
Really? Prove it.
"Therefore, whatever you want
men to do to you, do also to them" (Matthew 7:12). Nowadays this verse
is commonly referred to as "The Golden Rule," and is more commonly
quoted as: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Here
are some of the earliest sources for this concept of reciprocity
~1970-1640 BCE "Do for one who may do for you, / That you may cause
him thus to do." - The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant 109-110, Ancient
Egypt, tr. R.B. Parkinson.
* ~700 BCE "That nature only is good when it shall not do unto another
whatever is not good for its own self." - Dadistan-i-Dinik 94:5,
Zoroastrianism.
* ? BCE "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others."
- Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29, Zoroastrianism.
* ~550 BCE "You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your
countrymen. Love your fellow as yourself: I am the LORD." - Tanakh,
new JPS translation, Leviticus 19:18, Judaism.
* ~500 BCE "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find
hurtful." - Udana-Varga 5:18, Buddhism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity
Now, whether you believe in God or believe in Jesus or are an atheist
or Buddhist does this wisdom not apply to you?
Yes, because this Wisdom is not Christianity. It's humanity. It goes
BEYOND gods, religions, and belief structures. It is the basic
principle of man, evolved through the ages.
In a social species, as humans are, it does not do the species good to
do harm to others because they will reciprocate.
You punch me, I punch you.
You help me, I help you.
This isn't religious.
This truth is universal
in nature as it is based not on being of a certain religion, other
than that of the religion of humanity.
Nice job destroying the word "religion", by the way.
In this case, you can adopt a peace generating tool and apply it to
your life irrespective of your religious beliefs or lack thereof. I
had to chuckle one time when an atheists argued that the golden rule
is not perfect, so he said he does not follow it. When I questioned
him about what he does follow as well as the state of perfection that
applied to his life, all he could do was reply with ad hominem
attacks.
Again with your apparent lies. Either this atheist is an idiot, or he
doesn't exist and is your invention.
If we are waiting for perfection when it comes to spiritual studies we
will always be disappointed. Before applying perfection to anything
outside of us, we should examine the perfection within us. The nature
of humans is that of imperfection, so we must always look towards
direction and forget perfection.
I heard a story one time...
Blah blah blah. I snipped the rest of your rant because it was boring me.
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act *
* of the whole American people which declared that *
* their legislature should make no law respecting *
* an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the *
* free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of *
* separation between church and state." *
* --Thomas Jefferson, 1802 *
****************************************************
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07 Jan 2008 03:58:28 PM |
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On Jan 7, 4:41=A0pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_em...@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:13c64ootmfc9239@news.supernews.com...
"bramble" <leopoldo.perd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed b=
y
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence =
of
yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's not=
forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God', his son
'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that all three of
them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that peop=
le
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Bibli=
cal
claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would use =
to
create man with?
How about nothing? =A0That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? =A0Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's omnipo=
tent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt not=
kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter *every*=
man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death and eternal
damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because it's not a 'sin=
'
if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need to say anything mor=
e?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me to d=
o
it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs on innocen=
t
civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. =A0There will never be peace in the world as long as religion exi=
sts.
If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
--
No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Hatter
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| User: "Ips-Switch" |
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07 Jan 2008 04:30:58 PM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:04bc662b-18bd-4f50-a1c2-e778fc58303b@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
As are the pedophiles that lurk in them:
www.silentlambs.org
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Jan 2008 09:52:52 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800, Hatter wrote:
On Jan 7, 4:41 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_em...@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:13c64ootmfc9239@news.supernews.com...
"bramble" <leopoldo.perd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods
claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies
the existence of yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's
not forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God',
his son 'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that
all three of them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that
people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with
the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would
use to create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's
omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt
not kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter
*every* man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death
and eternal damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because
it's not a 'sin' if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need
to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me
to do it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs
on innocent civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists. If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of
religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
--
No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Well, that depends on the church. Maybe you should modify that to "don't
destroy historical buildings".
Now, those McChurches...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The men the American people admire most
extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men
they detest most violently are those who try to
tell them the truth.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Hatter" |
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09 Jan 2008 12:33:25 PM |
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On Jan 9, 10:52=A0am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800,Hatterwrote:
On Jan 7, 4:41=A0pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_em...@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:13c64ootmfc9239@news.supernews.com...
"bramble" <leopoldo.perd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods
claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies
the existence of yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's
not forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God',
his son 'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that
all three of them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that
people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with=
the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would
use to create man with?
How about nothing? =A0That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? =A0Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's
omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt
not kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter
*every* man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death
and eternal damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because
it's not a 'sin' if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need=
to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me
to do it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs
on innocent civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. =A0There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists. If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of
religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
--
No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Well, that depends on the church. Maybe you should modify that to "don't
destroy historical buildings".
Now, those McChurches...
--
Still, they would be useful buildings...and even pretty in a modernist
sort of way. Still would make a nice rentable public space for
parties. I am shocked how much venues cost per hour ($200.00 per hour
for a party of 90, really?)
Hatter
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
10 Jan 2008 08:30:21 AM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec63a6e7-0eb0-4d11-8b84-c7d9f1f1ca9d@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 9, 10:52 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800,Hatterwrote:
On Jan 7, 4:41 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_em...@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:13c64ootmfc9239@news.supernews.com...
"bramble" <leopoldo.perd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods
claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies
the existence of yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's
not forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God',
his son 'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that
all three of them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that
people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with
the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would
use to create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's
omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt
not kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter
*every* man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death
and eternal damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because
it's not a 'sin' if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need
to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me
to do it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs
on innocent civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists. If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of
religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
--
No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Well, that depends on the church. Maybe you should modify that to "don't
destroy historical buildings".
Now, those McChurches...
--
Still, they would be useful buildings...and even pretty in a modernist
sort of way. Still would make a nice rentable public space for
parties. I am shocked how much venues cost per hour ($200.00 per hour
for a party of 90, really?)
Hmm, I think the fee for the church were I got married was $500. Plus there
was the organist and the soloist. Think they came to $200 +. Then there
was the snotty ***** that ran the wedding rehearsal - think she only cost
$65. And of course, you couldn't forget the "tip" for the priest - $250.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
10 Jan 2008 03:14:06 PM |
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On Jan 10, 9:30=A0am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec63a6e7-0eb0-4d11-8b84-c7d9f1f1ca9d@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 9, 10:52 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800,Hatterwrote:
On Jan 7, 4:41 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_em...@yahoo.com>=
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:13c64ootmfc9239@news.supernews.com...
"bramble" <leopoldo.perd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods
claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denie=
s
the existence of yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let'=
s
not forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God',=
his son 'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that
all three of them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that=
people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem wi=
th
the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would=
use to create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's
omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shal=
t
not kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughte=
r
*every* man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death
and eternal damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' becaus=
e
it's not a 'sin' if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I ne=
ed
to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me=
to do it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs=
on innocent civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists. If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of
religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last=
church falls on the last priest."
--
No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Well, that depends on the church. Maybe you should modify that to "don't=
destroy historical buildings".
Now, those McChurches...
--
Still, they would be useful buildings...and even pretty in a modernist
sort of way. Still would make a nice rentable public space for
parties. I am shocked how much venues cost per hour ($200.00 per hour
for a party of 90, really?)
Hmm, I think the fee for the church were I got married was $500. =A0Plus t=
here
was the organist and the soloist. =A0Think they came to $200 +. =A0Then th=
ere
was the snotty ***** that ran the wedding rehearsal - think she only cost
$65. =A0And of course, you couldn't forget the "tip" for the priest - $250=
..
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557- Hide quoted text -
Ok OK, I'm still considering renting the Baltimore StreetCar Museum at
that rate in 2009 for my 40th birthday.
Hatter
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11 Jan 2008 09:11:22 AM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 9:30 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
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Hmm, I think the fee for the church were I got married was $500. Plus
there
was the organist and the soloist. Think they came to $200 +. Then there
was the snotty ***** that ran the wedding rehearsal - think she only cost
$65. And of course, you couldn't forget the "tip" for the priest - $250.
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Ok OK, I'm still considering renting the Baltimore StreetCar Museum at
that rate in 2009 for my 40th birthday.
At $200 an hour? Can I assume you'll be doing your own catering? ;)
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On Jan 11, 10:11=A0am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 9:30 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
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Hmm, I think the fee for the church were I got married was $500. Plus
there
was the organist and the soloist. Think they came to $200 +. Then there
was the snotty ***** that ran the wedding rehearsal - think she only cos=
t
$65. And of course, you couldn't forget the "tip" for the priest - $250.=
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Ok OK, I'm still considering renting the Baltimore StreetCar Museum at
that rate in 2009 for my 40th birthday.
At $200 an hour? =A0Can I assume you'll be doing your own catering? ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Yeah I suppose I would, I still up in the air about it, of course they
say if I keep the party to 50 people or under it drops to $125.00 an
hour. I have to think about it, but I'd like to make the 4-0 special
somehow. Admittedly only 20 people showed up at my last party. But it
was just the Lego and Liquor party at my house.
Hatter
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
14 Jan 2008 09:14:09 AM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 11, 10:11 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e6a5f2b2-8697-4126-871f-8e30c3bb0b22@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 10, 9:30 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
Hmm, I think the fee for the church were I got married was $500. Plus
there
was the organist and the soloist. Think they came to $200 +. Then there
was the snotty ***** that ran the wedding rehearsal - think she only
cost
$65. And of course, you couldn't forget the "tip" for the priest - $250.
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Ok OK, I'm still considering renting the Baltimore StreetCar Museum at
that rate in 2009 for my 40th birthday.
At $200 an hour? Can I assume you'll be doing your own catering? ;)
Yeah I suppose I would, I still up in the air about it, of course they
say if I keep the party to 50 people or under it drops to $125.00 an
hour. I have to think about it, but I'd like to make the 4-0 special
somehow. Admittedly only 20 people showed up at my last party. But it
was just the Lego and Liquor party at my house.
Sounds like that would be a lot of fun :)
My husband threw my 40th birthday party. Made fantastic food, but I only
drank. Gak :P
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "Robert" |
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10 Jan 2008 12:20:51 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:30:21 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 9, 10:52 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800,Hatterwrote:
On Jan 7, 4:41 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_em...@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
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"bramble" <leopoldo.perd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods
claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies
the existence of yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's
not forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God',
his son 'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that
all three of them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that
people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with
the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would
use to create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's
omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt
not kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter
*every* man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death
and eternal damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because
it's not a 'sin' if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need
to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me
to do it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs
on innocent civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists. If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of
religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
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No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Well, that depends on the church. Maybe you should modify that to "don't
destroy historical buildings".
Now, those McChurches...
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Still, they would be useful buildings...and even pretty in a modernist
sort of way. Still would make a nice rentable public space for
parties. I am shocked how much venues cost per hour ($200.00 per hour
for a party of 90, really?)
Hmm, I think the fee for the church were I got married was $500. Plus there
was the organist and the soloist. Think they came to $200 +. Then there
was the snotty ***** that ran the wedding rehearsal - think she only cost
$65. And of course, you couldn't forget the "tip" for the priest - $250.
The Church I left was founded by my great grand father. My grand
father was Pastor for 45 years, when my mother his daughter died the
Church wanted $500 for a church funeral. Both my father and mother
were raised in the church, both gave of time and money to the church.
My wife and I followed our parents lead and worked in the church and
tithed generously. Mom had a grave side service, with a pastor from
another church. My father never entered that church again, and at his
request his funeral was held in a black church, with a black preacher.
A boyhood friend, and life long hunting/fishing partner.
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10 Jan 2008 12:18:29 PM |
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On Jan 10, 1:20=A0pm, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
My father ... at his
request his funeral was held in a black church, with a black preacher.
A boyhood friend, and life long hunting/fishing partner.
Having an old, dear friend do the service was the best reason of them
all.
JohnN
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| User: "barspeed and his 3 inch dick" |
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11 Jan 2008 09:03:19 AM |
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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods
claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies
the existence of yours.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Top Ten Signs You're a Christian |
09 Jan 2008 08:31:21 PM |
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:33:25 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Jan 9, 10:52am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800,Hatterwrote:
On Jan 7, 4:41pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:14:39 -0600, "Ernie Sty" <fake_em...@yahoo.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<rYSdnVuVraKC5x_anZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@giganews.com> wrote:
"Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:13c64ootmfc9239@news.supernews.com...
"bramble" <leopoldo.perd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187177336.068341.169890@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 15 ago, 07:05, wrote:
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods
claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies
the existence of yours.
But the Holy Spirit filling my very being and my 'faith'; and let's
not forget the inerrant word of Scripture -- all prove that 'God',
his son 'God', and of course, the Holy Spirit, are 'God' and that
all three of them are the 'real' One 'True' God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that
people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with
the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
Well what else do you think a supernatural, omnipotent 'God' would
use to create man with?
How about nothing? That's what he created the dirt out of, isn't
it--nothing? Why did he need dirt to make humans out of if he's
omnipotent?
Look. When 'God', say, gives the strictest command like 'Thou shalt
not kill' and then proceeds to order his chosen people to slaughter
*every* man, woman, child, and their livestock upon pain of death
and eternal damnation in Hell for not doing so, it's 'okay' because
it's not a 'sin' if 'God' orders you to 'sin'. He's 'God'. Do I need
to say anything more?
"Sure, I killed all those people, but it's OK because God ordered me
to do it." or "Yeah, we dropped fifty billion dollars worth of bombs
on innocent civilians, but God's on our side so it's OK."
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists. If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of
religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
--
No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Well, that depends on the church. Maybe you should modify that to "don't
destroy historical buildings".
Now, those McChurches...
--
Still, they would be useful buildings...and even pretty in a modernist
sort of way. Still would make a nice rentable public space for
parties. I am shocked how much venues cost per hour ($200.00 per hour
for a party of 90, really?)
Hatter
Check the rental for a church, for a wedding, funeral, or family
reunion.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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07 Jan 2008 09:25:37 PM |
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<04bc662b-18bd-4f50-a1c2-e778fc58303b@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion exists.
If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
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No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Tear them all down.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
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07 Jan 2008 09:50:37 PM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:58:28 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<04bc662b-18bd-4f50-a1c2-e778fc58303b@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Sheesh. There will never be peace in the world as long as religion
exists.
If there is a devil, he is merely the personification of religion.
As someone said elsewhere:
" Civilization will not be perfect until the last stone from the last
church falls on the last priest."
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No I say; DO not destroy Churches. Churches are beautiful, it is the
words that are said in them that are ugly.
Tear them all down.
No. They can be turned into museums,
libraries, schools and research labs. Just
get rid of the religious nonsense, except
in the museums. Why waste perfectly
good buildings just because they were
formerly occupied by fools?
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Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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07 Jan 2008 10:20:57 PM |
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Attila < wrote:
<snip>
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
Then who will pick your crops, pluck your chickens, do your yard work,
and clean your hospital bedpans?
Come on, you don't want to do that, and you don't want to pay an
Amerricun a living wage for that do you?
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| User: "Robert Weldon" |
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08 Jan 2008 12:12:00 PM |
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"cactus" <cactus@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Attila < wrote:
<snip>
Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification, not work permit or citizenship.
Then who will pick your crops, pluck your chickens, do your yard work, and
clean your hospital bedpans?
Come on, you don't want to do that, and you don't want to pay an Amerricun
a living wage for that do you?
Hey, homeschooled fundies have to work somewhere.
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08 Jan 2008 03:09:16 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:20:57 GMT, cactus <cactus@nonespam.com> in
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Attila < wrote:
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