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"johac" |
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30 Oct 2004 03:20:59 AM |
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Town pardons witches. |
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3965965.stm
BBC NEWS
Town pardons executed "witches"
Dozens of "witches" executed in a Scottish town more than 400 years ago
are to be pardoned to mark Halloween.
Prestonpans, in East Lothian, will grant the pardons under ancient
feudal powers which are about to disappear.
Descendants and namesakes of the 81 people executed are expected to
attend Sunday's ceremony.
More than 3,500 Scots, mainly women, were executed during the
Reformation, for crimes such as owning a black cat and brewing up
home-made remedies.
The atmosphere of paranoia and suspicion reached its peak under the rule
of King James VI - later King James I of England.
On Sunday evening, 81 pardons, secured in the Prestoungrange Baronial
Court on 27 July this year, will be publicly declared and a wreath laid
at a specially-commissioned plaque.
Local historian Roy Pugh, who helped secure the pardons by presenting
evidence to the court, will make the declaration in what he described as
a "simple and solemn" ceremony.
He said: "It will recognise the crimes that were perpetrated against
these people.
"It's too late to apologise but it's a sort of symbolic recognition that
these people were put to death for hysterical ignorance and paranoia."
Dr Gordon Prestoungrange, the 14th Baron, decided to convene his court
to consider the pardon before it was abolished on 28 November under
legislation passed by MSPs in 2000 to end Scotland's feudal system.
The court also ruled that there should be an annual ceremony, including
re-enactments of the "tragic events", in the town.
Mr Pugh's book, The Deil's Ain, caused controversy in 2001 for its
strong criticism of the role played by the Church of Scotland in
persecuting supposed witches.
'Kangaroo courts'
He said many of the accused were tried without defence lawyers by
"kangaroo courts" - chaired by local lairds with no legal training and
assisted by the Kirk.
Adele Conn, the Montjoye of the court - the ancient equivalent of a
marketing manager - said the pardons were for the convictions under the
Witchcraft Act 1735, although only the monarch could pardon them of
treason.
She said: "A lot of local people are intrigued by what we are doing, so
we hope to get a good turnout on Sunday.
"There were some concerns that we've got the ceremony on Halloween but
we couldn't have a witches remembrance in the middle of March.
"People associate Halloween with witches and the ceremony will not be
flippant.
"It has a serious purpose, we're respecting these unfortunate
individuals."
One of the area's most notorious episodes was the North Berwick
witch-hunt in which Agnes Sampson confessed under torture to leading a
coven responsible for a storm allegedly intended to sink King James VI's
ship as he returned from Denmark with his fiance, Anne.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3965965.stm
Published: 2004/10/29 15:33:38 GMT
BBC MMIV
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new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
30 Oct 2004 04:17:11 AM |
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TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats itself,
and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
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I'm George W. Bush, and Karl Rove approved this message.
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
31 Oct 2004 01:12:44 AM |
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In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats itself,
and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
31 Oct 2004 10:41:07 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:12:44 -0700 in alt.atheism, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats itself,
and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
My dad still considers stoning an appropriate punishment for sleeping with
someone you aren't legally married to. There's all kinds of insane religious
delusion left in the world. :-/
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L8r,
Uncle Dollar Bill
"Opinions are like people - every ***** has one..."
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
31 Oct 2004 10:47:28 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:41:07 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:12:44 -0700 in alt.atheism, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats itself,
and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
My dad still considers stoning an appropriate punishment for sleeping with
someone you aren't legally married to. There's all kinds of insane religious
delusion left in the world. :-/
Ah, Christian brand 'love.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "stoney" |
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31 Oct 2004 10:46:45 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:12:44 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats itself,
and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
While gleefully wearing clothes of mixed fibres, breaking the Sabbath
and much more. Based on the bronze age *****-they should be the
first ones executed.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
31 Oct 2004 11:42:07 PM |
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In article <gl5ao059dt7a2ggh824cjcm5scj40802oo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:12:44 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats itself,
and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
While gleefully wearing clothes of mixed fibres, breaking the Sabbath
and much more. Based on the bronze age *****-they should be the
first ones executed.
It's a well guarded secret, but Moses actually received 11 commandments.
The eleventh, which is invoked only when the authority or behavior of
those doing the preaching is questioned is: "The above ten only apply to
everybody else".
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
01 Nov 2004 02:40:54 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:42:07 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <gl5ao059dt7a2ggh824cjcm5scj40802oo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:12:44 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats itself,
and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
While gleefully wearing clothes of mixed fibres, breaking the Sabbath
and much more. Based on the bronze age *****-they should be the
first ones executed.
It's a well guarded secret, but Moses actually received 11 commandments.
The eleventh, which is invoked only when the authority or behavior of
those doing the preaching is questioned is: "The above ten only apply to
everybody else".
Yep, which means all are exempt!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
31 Oct 2004 02:28:05 AM |
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TV's johac wrote:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats
itself, and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
I wonder what punishment they advocate for dining at Red Lobster while
wearing mixed-thread garments?
--
I'm George W. Bush, and Karl Rove approved this message.
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Town pardons witches. |
31 Oct 2004 04:48:23 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2ujm0kF29jri2U1@uni-berlin.de...
TV's johac wrote:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats
itself, and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
I wonder what punishment they advocate for dining at Red Lobster while
wearing mixed-thread garments?
--
I'm George W. Bush, and Karl Rove approved this message.
aa #2133
ap #19
Presumably death.
I hope they also shun anyone with bad eyesight who tries to go to their
church.
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| User: "johac" |
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31 Oct 2004 11:42:53 PM |
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In article <cm2ftm$fgo$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2ujm0kF29jri2U1@uni-berlin.de...
TV's johac wrote:
In article <2uh4gqF2ajje2U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's johac wrote:
The bad news, it's about 400 years too late.
Today the witches have been replaced by gays. How history repeats
itself, and how those in power refuse to learn from history.
Some of the far out fundies, the Reconstructionists, actually advocate
the biblical penalty for homosexuality, death.
I wonder what punishment they advocate for dining at Red Lobster while
wearing mixed-thread garments?
--
I'm George W. Bush, and Karl Rove approved this message.
aa #2133
ap #19
Presumably death.
I hope they also shun anyone with bad eyesight who tries to go to their
church.
Or crushed...er, private parts.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
.
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