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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"He Stirs Your Soul"
Date:	31 Oct 2004 05:12:41 PM
Object:	Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!

After reading the transcript of bin Ladin's speech I was very moved.
I really felt his struggle. It is obvious to me that this is no
madman as the Bush Regime have portrayed him. This is a noble man, a
freedom fighter who wants the US and Israel to get the hell out of his
home and who can blame him?!? He spoke from his heart and from his
soul, and whenever a man does that, nobody can be against him, for he
speaks truth. The words come from the very depths of his soul.
Bush and his puppet masters have been quick with their propaganda
brainwashing Americans that bin Ladin and the Moslems are evil, that
they hate freedom. But this kind of charged rhetoric only works with
Americans because they are blind and brain dead just like their
president. Americans are the evil ones, and George Bush and *****
Cheney and Rumsfeld are the Devil.
Until Americans truly understand why they are being attacked the
attacks will continue. But Americans will never understand because
they are idiots and their government knows that and keeps them in the
dark. They know American minds are easy to manipulate.
With the coming attacks perhaps the Americans will begin to understand
a little bit better. Maybe it will take 10 or 20 attacks more, but
that is okay. Al Qaeda is not going anywhere, and neither is bin
Ladin.
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Transcript of bin Ladin's speech
Saturday 30 October 2004, 15:54 Makka Time, 12:54 GMT
Following is the transcript of Usama bin Ladin's speech as it
appeared in a videotape aired by Aljazeera on Friday. In the
interests of authenticity the transcript has been left unedited.
To begin: Peace be upon he who follow the Guidance.
People of United States, this talk of mine is for you and
concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan and deals
with the war and its causes and results.
Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable
pillar in human life and that free men do not forfeit their
security contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom.
If so, then let him explain why did not strike - for example -
Sweden.
And we know that freedom haters do not possess defiant spirits
like those of the 19 may Allah have mercy on them.
No, we fight because we are free men who do not sleep under
oppression.
We want to restore freedom to our Nation and just as you lay
waste to our Nation so shall we lay waste to yours.
But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year
after the events of September 11, Bush is still engaged in
distortion, deception and hiding from you the real cause and
thus the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.
So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and I
shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the
decision was taken for you to consider.
I say to you Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to
strike towers.
But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression
and tyranny of the America/Israeli coalition against our people
in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.
The events that affected my soul in a difficult way started in
1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and
the American 6th fleet helped them in that.
And the whole world saw and heard but did not respond.
In those difficult moments many hard to describe ideas bubbled
in my soul but in the end they produced intense feelings of
rejection of tyranny and gave birth to a strong resolve to
punish the oppressors.
And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon it entered
my mind that we should punish the oppressors in kind and that we
destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what
we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women
and children.
We have not found it difficult to deal with the Bush
administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the
regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the
military and the other half of which are ruled by the sons of
kings and presidents.
Our experience with them is lengthy and both types are replete
with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and
misappropriation of wealth.
This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Senior to the
region at a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by
America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our
countries. All of a sudden he was affected by these monarchies
and military regimes and became jealous of their remaining
decades in their position to embezzle the public wealth of the
Nation without supervision or accounting.
So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son
and they named it the Patriot Act under the pretences of
fighting terrorism.
In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state
governors and did not forget to import expertise in election
fraud from the regions presidents to Florida to be made use of
in moments of difficulty.
All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke
and bait this administration.
And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General
Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations
should be carried out within 20 minutes before Bush and his
administration notice.
It never occurred to us that the Commander in Chief of the armed
forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers
to face those great horrors alone at a time when they most
needed him.
But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking
to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more
important than occupying himself with the planes and their
butting of the skyscrapers we were given three times the period
required to execute the operations. All praise is due to Allah.
Aljazeera
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm
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User: "Ike"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 10:06:59 PM

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Me
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	02 Nov 2004 12:32:20 AM

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Ike <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
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Try:

http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/

John Kerry's initial reaction to 9/11:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/6/92357.shtml

No. ***** off spammer.
<plonk>
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 05:21:32 PM

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
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I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated the
flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of Americans.
After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the warmongering
pricks that work for him.
I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but any
credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to leave
his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.

User: "Vader"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 06:34:42 PM

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in message
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I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

Agreed.
.

User: "Ted Ng"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 05:30:28 PM

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in message
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"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
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I would agree with you,

I wouldn't. Fundy Moslems are on the warpath around the world. Fundy Moslems
use Jews and now Americans as the scapegoats for their own fucked-up
existence. You can't blame the Jooos or Americans for fundy Moslems on the
warpath in the Phillippines. You can't blame the Jooos or Americans for
fundy Moslems on the warpath in Thailand. You can't blame the Jooos or
Americans for fundy Moslems on the warpath in the Nigeria and most of
sub-Saharan Africa. Fundy Moslems are responsible for their own problems,
and rather than correct those problems they'd rather force their sick
beliefs on others.
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 05:53:21 PM

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I would agree with you,

I wouldn't. Fundy Moslems

You've taken my words out of context.
***** you.
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User: "Ted Ng"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 07:35:22 PM

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I would agree with you,

I wouldn't. Fundy Moslems

You've taken my words out of context.

***** you.

Nice talk. I was responding to the "He Stirs Your Soul" cretin you
cross-posted this message to.
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 07:42:09 PM

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After reading the transcript of bin Ladin's speech I was very moved.
I really felt his struggle. It is obvious to me that this is no
madman as the Bush Regime have portrayed him. This is a noble man,

freedom fighter who wants the US and Israel to get the hell out of

his

home and who can blame him?!? He spoke from his heart and from his
soul, and whenever a man does that, nobody can be against him, for

speaks truth. The words come from the very depths of his soul.

I would agree with you,

I wouldn't. Fundy Moslems

You've taken my words out of context.

***** you.

Nice talk.

Thanks.
I get tired of people that take a few words and try to turn them into
something I didn't say. Once I saw how much of my post was snipped, I didn't
bother to read the rest. When those words of mine that you quoted stood
alone, it said the complete opposite of my post.
If that was not your desire, then my apologies.
I was responding to the "He Stirs Your Soul" cretin you

cross-posted this message to.

Well then....irrelevant NG's snipped.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.

User: "oceanstrip"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 05:32:32 PM

The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated the
flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the warmongering
pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but any
credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to leave
his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do. Just
because you can't see the effects of the war on his people because you
don't live there doesn't make it any less real. It became real to you on
September 11, but it was real long before then. Osama is only one of
many angry Arabs. Unless the U.S. learns to treat people better, they
can expect more of the same. Considering they haven't learned how to
treat a great many of their own citizens with human decency, this is
probably a long way off and you can expect many more terrorist
attacks-ESPECIALLY if Bush is reelected.
Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot. For deeming the reading of a
book regarding the ramming of a goat more important than the ramming of
real planes and abondoning 50,000 real live American citizens when they
needed him most (although he didn't know the number was actually far less).
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User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 06:02:37 PM

"oceanstrip" <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message
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The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.
I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it from
some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to carry
out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to get
others to do the dirty work.
He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Just
because you can't see the effects of the war on his people because you
don't live there doesn't make it any less real. It became real to you on
September 11, but it was real long before then. Osama is only one of
many angry Arabs. Unless the U.S. learns to treat people better, they
can expect more of the same. Considering they haven't learned how to
treat a great many of their own citizens with human decency, this is
probably a long way off and you can expect many more terrorist
attacks-ESPECIALLY if Bush is reelected.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

Yes, I did notice. Like I said, it is irrelevant if he and I agree on
anything.
I also sat and watched in horror as The Towers collapsed and took 2000
Americans plus 343 of my brethren to their deaths. That makes him a
terrorist.
***** him. ***** him eternally.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.

User: "tin ton"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 06:09:11 PM

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"oceanstrip" <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message
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The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it from
some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to carry
out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to
get
others to do the dirty work.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

It was the only way he could get the attention of the American people. The
Americans didn't know and didn't care about the plight of his people.
Wouldn't you say they are aware now?
.

User: *"$"*
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 06:33:15 PM

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The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
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his

home and who can blame him?!? He spoke from his heart and from his
soul, and whenever a man does that, nobody can be against him, for he
speaks truth. The words come from the very depths of his soul.

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he

orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater,

but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it

from

some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to

carry

out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to
get
others to do the dirty work.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Just
because you can't see the effects of the war on his people because you
don't live there doesn't make it any less real. It became real to you

September 11, but it was real long before then. Osama is only one of
many angry Arabs. Unless the U.S. learns to treat people better, they
can expect more of the same. Considering they haven't learned how to
treat a great many of their own citizens with human decency, this is
probably a long way off and you can expect many more terrorist
attacks-ESPECIALLY if Bush is reelected.

You've begun an argument of infinite digression. Whether or not I agree
with
anything bin Laden says is irrelevant.

What *IS* relevant is that his words are completely negated by his

attack

of
September 11. Yes, I understand the paradox/catch-22 of the situation,

and

am fully aware of what he said: I've already read the entire transcript.

That doesn't change the fact that as of September 11, he is only worthy

a
9mm round right between his fucking eyes, from my own gun given the
opportunity.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

It was the only way he could get the attention of the American people.

The

Americans didn't know and didn't care about the plight of his people.
Wouldn't you say they are aware now?

Many are aware now and want "his people" dead now...
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User: "commutator"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	02 Nov 2004 03:20:13 PM

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The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it from
some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to carry
out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to
get
others to do the dirty work.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

It was the only way he could get the attention of the American people. The
Americans didn't know and didn't care about the plight of his people.
Wouldn't you say they are aware now?

So if my dad is beating me I should go out and beat the ***** out of
some of his cousins to raise awareness of my ordeal? ***** you.
Laden's family controls a huge stack of the American economy, he
himself has quite a fortune (as well as political contacts) and he
can't find a way to communicate with the American people besides
burning them alive? ***** you. Only cowards target civilians and they
get away with it because of the whole "if you're not with us you're
against us" crap. Those people weren't against the people of the
middle east, they were just living out their lives. If you think they
were ignorant than educate them. For someone so concerned of the
plight of the middle east it's funny that you've never posted before,
what about the importance of awareness?
Osama isn't about awareness even though he paints himself that way in
his speeches. He wants to rid the world of infidels, hence his
isolation from all other active groups which don't share his extreme
ideology. Provoking America to take an action which has polarized the
world the way it has (Muslims feeling that the Christian West is
arraigned against them) is playing right into his hands. He gains
recruits, others sympathize with his plight and he pushes the world
towards his cleansing war.
If he wanted to send a message raising awareness ramming 3 planes into
the pentagon would have accomplished that far better (the leadership
of America threatened, worried about future attacks so back off the
middle east, populace not pissed-off enough to back all-out war but
still curious as to causes hence made aware of the existence of Osama
and his cause). He instead hit the civilian towers in one of Americas
most populated areas, he wanted to *****-off the American people NOT
educate them and he got exactly what he wanted. A destabilized
middle-east with plenty of eager youth willing to die to take out
another chunk of America for it's arrogance.
Osama wanted blood and he got it.
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User: "RainLover"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	03 Nov 2004 07:13:44 AM

On 2 Nov 2004 13:20:13 -0800,

(commutator)
wrote:

***** you. Only cowards target civilians and they
get away with it because of the whole "if you're not with us you're
against us" crap. Those people weren't against the people of the
middle east, they were just living out their lives

Ditto for the 30,000 to 100,000 Iraqi Civilians the USA has had a hand
in killing.
.

User: "bob young"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	02 Nov 2004 10:46:27 PM

commutator wrote:

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The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it from
some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to carry
out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to
get
others to do the dirty work.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

It was the only way he could get the attention of the American people. The
Americans didn't know and didn't care about the plight of his people.
Wouldn't you say they are aware now?

If BL has a problem he can take it to the UN anytime, or his countryfolk can, whatever country that is!
Bin Laden is from the sick fringe of society - period

If he wanted to send a message raising awareness ramming 3 planes into
the pentagon would have accomplished that far better (the leadership
of America threatened, worried about future attacks so back off the
middle east, populace not pissed-off enough to back all-out war but
still curious as to causes hence made aware of the existence of Osama
and his cause). He instead hit the civilian towers in one of Americas
most populated areas, he wanted to *****-off the American people NOT
educate them and he got exactly what he wanted. A destabilized
middle-east with plenty of eager youth willing to die to take out
another chunk of America for it's arrogance.

Osama wanted blood and he got it.

User: "bob young"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 07:25:09 PM

tin ton wrote:

The other Donald <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:x2fhd.38722$EI6.8271@fe2.texas.rr.com...

"oceanstrip" <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:K42dnf5xXtCF6xjcRVn-vA@comcast.com...

The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it from
some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to carry
out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to
get
others to do the dirty work.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

It was the only way he could get the attention of the American people. The
Americans didn't know and didn't care about the plight of his people.
Wouldn't you say they are aware now?

Who are His people. Saudis, Palestiniians? No he is jealous of the West and
hates the richest of them all. A sicko
.

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	01 Nov 2004 03:12:28 PM

tin ton wrote:

The other Donald <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in message
news:x2fhd.38722$EI6.8271@fe2.texas.rr.com...

"oceanstrip" <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:K42dnf5xXtCF6xjcRVn-vA@comcast.com...

The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it from
some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to carry
out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to
get
others to do the dirty work.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

It was the only way he could get the attention of the American people. The
Americans didn't know and didn't care about the plight of his people.

Plight of his people !!!!
He doesn't give a flying ***** for his people, if he did he would not be
brainwashing them into fighting jihad.
He wants to kill all Muslims that do not believe in his Whabbist doctrine.
Go read up on the Whabbists.

Wouldn't you say they are aware now?

--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
.

User: "oceanstrip"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 06:12:42 PM

The other Donald wrote:

"oceanstrip" <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:K42dnf5xXtCF6xjcRVn-vA@comcast.com...

The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

That puts him in the very same league as Bush. Don't kid yourself. At
least 40,000 Iraqi civilains have been killed.

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it from
some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to carry
out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to get
others to do the dirty work.

Again, that is Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld to a tee.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Again, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ashcroft, etc.

You've begun an argument of infinite digression. Whether or not I agree with
anything bin Laden says is irrelevant.

What *IS* relevant is that his words are completely negated by his attack of
September 11. Yes, I understand the paradox/catch-22 of the situation, and
am fully aware of what he said: I've already read the entire transcript.

That doesn't change the fact that as of September 11, he is only worthy of a
9mm round right between his fucking eyes, from my own gun given the
opportunity.

There are at least hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, possibly millions, that feel the exact same way about Bush, Cheney, et al. It is a question of semantics and geography. Just as if you examine things closely both Islam and Christianity are religions of fanatics.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

So is Bush in the eyes of much of the world. Osama is hardly alone. The
policies of the Bush administration are, at this moment, creating,
millions of Osamas. Just as Osama is creating millions of you.

***** him. ***** him eternally.

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	31 Oct 2004 06:21:12 PM

"oceanstrip" <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:cLWdnR0vgPQf4hjcRVn-ug@comcast.com...

The other Donald wrote:

"oceanstrip" <oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:K42dnf5xXtCF6xjcRVn-vA@comcast.com...

The other Donald wrote:

"He Stirs Your Soul" <hemoves@yourheart.com> wrote in message
news:OOT5GFNV38291.7171412037@anonymous.poster...

I would agree with you, except for the little fact that he orchestrated

the

flying of aircraft into buildings that slaughtered thousands of

Americans.

After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out of
dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the

warmongering

pricks that work for him.

I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global theater, but

any

credibility that bin Laden may have had to just "want us (America) to

leave

his people alone" went right out the fucking window on September 11.

He responded by fighting a war with war. That's what warriors do.

Not against civilian targets. That's not war, that's cowardice.

That puts him in the very same league as Bush. Don't kid yourself. At
least 40,000 Iraqi civilains have been killed.

Read my words, and get back to me when you comprehend their meaning:
Donald: "I'm not saying that the US is without faults in the global
theater,..."
....and:
Donald: "After that, all other bets are off, and he is a terrorist made out
of dogshit, regardless of how bad I despise President Bush or the
warmongering pricks that work for him."

I don't accept it from American soldiers, I damn sure won't accept it

from

some second-rate warrior-wannabe that doesn't even have the balls to

carry

out the attacks himself, instead foments hatred through brainwashing to

get

others to do the dirty work.

Again, that is Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld to a tee.

No argument from me.

He's not a warrior. He's a coward.

Again, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ashcroft, etc.

You've begun an argument of infinite digression. Whether or not I agree

with

anything bin Laden says is irrelevant.

What *IS* relevant is that his words are completely negated by his

attack of

September 11. Yes, I understand the paradox/catch-22 of the situation,

and

am fully aware of what he said: I've already read the entire transcript.

That doesn't change the fact that as of September 11, he is only worthy

of a

9mm round right between his fucking eyes, from my own gun given the
opportunity.

There are at least hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, possibly millions,

that feel the exact same way about Bush, Cheney, et al. It is a question of
semantics and geography. Just as if you examine things closely both Islam
and Christianity are religions of fanatics.
No argument from me on this point, either.

Notice how he calls Bush a fucking idiot.

I'm not flying airplanes into buildings. I'm pursuing a law degree to change
this country from the inside.
Maybe I'm pissing in the wind, maybe not. But it beats the ***** out of
slaughtering 'innocents.'
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.

User: "John Savard"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	01 Nov 2004 12:39:59 AM

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip
<oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote, in part:

If the Muslims had left the Maronite Christians in Lebanon alone, if
they had left Israel alone, if they gave equality to the Copts in Egypt,
if they did not persecute the Bahai's in Iran...
they would not have had any "real" problems.
Nobody has been pushing the Muslims around and picking on them out of
pure spite. Any conflict in their part of the world is the consequence
of their hatred and fanaticism.
In any case, an event such as that of September 11, 2001, means that it
is not America's turn to engage in self-doubt or soul-searching. It is
time for it to proceed boldly, in confidence of the rightness of its
cause of self-defence.
Instead, it is time for all parts of the Muslim world to abandon
completely any monkey business - like the genocide in Sudan, or even the
murderous riots in Nigeria on the occasion of the attempt at a Miss
World pageant there. If they have any legitimate grievances, this is not
really an opportune time to advance them.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
.

User: "pearl"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	03 Nov 2004 05:23:56 AM

"John Savard" <jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote in message news:4185d8a9.622672@news.ecn.ab.ca...

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip
In any case, an event such as that of September 11, 2001, means that it
is not America's turn to engage in self-doubt or soul-searching. It is
time for it to proceed boldly, in confidence of the rightness of its
cause of self-defence.

You reckon? Find the Boeing yet?
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Preloader
.

User: "Carmen Farkas"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	03 Nov 2004 04:04:51 PM

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:23:56 -0000, "pearl" <tea@signguestbook.ie>
wrote:

"John Savard" <jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote in message news:4185d8a9.622672@news.ecn.ab.ca...

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip

In any case, an event such as that of September 11, 2001, means that it
is not America's turn to engage in self-doubt or soul-searching. It is
time for it to proceed boldly, in confidence of the rightness of its
cause of self-defence.

You reckon? Find the Boeing yet?

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Preloader

How about those of us who had family members witness the plane impact
into the Pentagon?
.

User: "Roofshadow"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	04 Nov 2004 10:16:35 AM

Carmen Farkas wrote:

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:23:56 -0000, "pearl" <tea@signguestbook.ie>
wrote:

"John Savard" <jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote in message news:4185d8a9.622672@news.ecn.ab.ca...

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip

You reckon? Find the Boeing yet?

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Preloader

How about those of us who had family members witness the plane impact
into the Pentagon?

They were obviously brainwashed.
Honestly - didn't you know that a good conspiracy trumps eyewitness
accounts every single time?
[eyeroll]
.

User: "Jez"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	01 Nov 2004 03:14:48 PM

John Savard wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip
<oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote, in part:

Please don't confuse all of Islam with the Whabbist sect.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
.

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	01 Nov 2004 05:46:44 PM

"Jez" <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:TYednXm24owMOhvcRVnysw@pipex.net...

John Savard wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip
<oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote, in part:

Please don't confuse all of Islam with the Whabbist sect.

We don't.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.

User: "Peter van Velzen"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	02 Nov 2004 02:13:06 AM

jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid (John Savard) wrote in message news:<4185d8a9.622672@news.ecn.ab.ca>...

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip
<oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote, in part:

If the Muslims had left the Maronite Christians in Lebanon alone, if
they had left Israel alone, if they gave equality to the Copts in Egypt,
if they did not persecute the Bahai's in Iran...

they would not have had any "real" problems.

Nobody has been pushing the Muslims around and picking on them out of
pure spite. Any conflict in their part of the world is the consequence
of their hatred and fanaticism.

In any case, an event such as that of September 11, 2001, means that it
is not America's turn to engage in self-doubt or soul-searching. It is
time for it to proceed boldly, in confidence of the rightness of its
cause of self-defence.

Instead, it is time for all parts of the Muslim world to abandon
completely any monkey business - like the genocide in Sudan, or even the
murderous riots in Nigeria on the occasion of the attempt at a Miss
World pageant there. If they have any legitimate grievances, this is not
really an opportune time to advance them.

John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html

Not exaxtly so.
If the muslims had left Israel alone, there still would be a few
million palestinians without a home. Mind you, - at the beginning of
the twenthieth century the palestinians were there already, and than
the zionists came, and were not prepaired to behave as immigrants,
but set out to have a state of there own, in a place where most people
were muslims.
I too have a hunch that many muslims are a bit intollerant,
and they migt have handled the Zionist problem better.
but the muslims involved did not have the option of preventing trouble
by "leaving Israel alone".
Israel didn't leave them "alone":)
Think for yourself
Peter van Velzen
Materialist#1
Oktober 2004
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
.

User: "Jeff Hacker"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	02 Nov 2004 01:22:48 PM

"Peter van Velzen" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:7716bb89.0411020013.a64624f@posting.google.com...

jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid (John Savard) wrote in message
news:<4185d8a9.622672@news.ecn.ab.ca>...

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip
<oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote, in part:

If the Muslims had left the Maronite Christians in Lebanon alone, if
they had left Israel alone, if they gave equality to the Copts in Egypt,
if they did not persecute the Bahai's in Iran...

they would not have had any "real" problems.

Nobody has been pushing the Muslims around and picking on them out of
pure spite. Any conflict in their part of the world is the consequence
of their hatred and fanaticism.

In any case, an event such as that of September 11, 2001, means that it
is not America's turn to engage in self-doubt or soul-searching. It is
time for it to proceed boldly, in confidence of the rightness of its
cause of self-defence.

Instead, it is time for all parts of the Muslim world to abandon
completely any monkey business - like the genocide in Sudan, or even the
murderous riots in Nigeria on the occasion of the attempt at a Miss
World pageant there. If they have any legitimate grievances, this is not
really an opportune time to advance them.

John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html

And there was a significant Jewish population then as well.
and than

the zionists came, and were not prepaired to behave as immigrants,

Actually, they did - what seems to have caused a lot of the problems is that
the Jews bought farmland from the local Arabs, then hired other Jews to work
it, thus depriving the local Arabs of jobs.

but set out to have a state of there own, in a place where most people
were muslims.

The Jews were quite willing to live with the Arabs - they weren't the ones
who invaded from all sides when independence came in 1948. The Jews had
agreed to abide by the U.N. partition. It was the Arab population which
wouldn't accept that.

I too have a hunch that many muslims are a bit intollerant,
and they migt have handled the Zionist problem better.
but the muslims involved did not have the option of preventing trouble
by "leaving Israel alone".
Israel didn't leave them "alone":)

Check your history. With one exception, every single war in the middle east
was started by the Arabs, not the Israelis.

Think for yourself
Peter van Velzen
Materialist#1
Oktober 2004
Amstelveen
The Netherlands

User: "Peter van Velzen"
Title: Re: Transcript of Bin Ladin's Speech - Heartfelt, from the Soul!	03 Nov 2004 09:37:17 AM

"Jeff Hacker" <jhacker@usa.net> wrote in message news:<c8Rhd.4430$fC4.397@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>...

"Peter van Velzen" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
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jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid (John Savard) wrote in message
news:<4185d8a9.622672@news.ecn.ab.ca>...

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:32:32 -0600, oceanstrip
<oceanstripclubdjrodney@comcast.net> wrote, in part:

If the Muslims had left the Maronite Christians in Lebanon alone, if
they had left Israel alone, if they gave equality to the Copts in Egypt,
if they did not persecute the Bahai's in Iran...

they would not have had any "real" problems.

Nobody has been pushing the Muslims around and picking on them out of
pure spite. Any conflict in their part of the world is the consequence
of their hatred and fanaticism.

In any case, an event such as that of September 11, 2001, means that it
is not America's turn to engage in self-doubt or soul-searching. It is
time for it to proceed boldly, in confidence of the rightness of its
cause of self-defence.

Instead, it is time for all parts of the Muslim world to abandon
completely any monkey business - like the genocide in Sudan, or even the
murderous riots in Nigeria on the occasion of the attempt at a Miss
World pageant there. If they have any legitimate grievances, this is not
really an opportune time to advance them.

John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html

And there was a significant Jewish population then as well.

and than

the zionists came, and were not prepaired to behave as immigrants,

Actually, they did - what seems to have caused a lot of the problems is that
the Jews bought farmland from the local Arabs, then hired other Jews to work
it, thus depriving the local Arabs of jobs.

but set out to have a state of there own, in a place where most people
were muslims.

Check your histo