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"IKnowHimDoYou" |
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25 May 2004 10:26:58 AM |
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Transformation Mechanism Missing |
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type. The needed increase in genetic
information is not documented anywhere regardless of the ignorant claims
of the evolutionary religionist fanatics. We can see all around us the
result of information loss through mutations which appear to be harmful
and debilitating with many leading to early death. Just as water runs
downhill so does genetic information run down to less and less with time.
Even when scientists attempt to play with genes claiming to improve them
the real outcome so far has proved to be harmful(ex. genetic material
introduced into the brains of Alzheimer sufferers-brought death).
Dispite all the shouting of the evolution camp information does not
increase by natural selection or mutations and this increase would be
absolutly necessasary to transform a single celled bacterium into a
multicelled creature or a monkey type into a human being.
This should end all intelligent argument over the possiblity of evolution
leaving us with the only other possiblity-special creation-like it or not.
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| User: "Another Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
25 May 2004 10:37:54 AM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com...
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type. The needed increase in genetic
information is not documented anywhere regardless of the ignorant claims
of the evolutionary religionist fanatics. We can see all around us the
result of information loss through mutations which appear to be harmful
and debilitating with many leading to early death. Just as water runs
downhill so does genetic information run down to less and less with time.
Even when scientists attempt to play with genes claiming to improve them
the real outcome so far has proved to be harmful(ex. genetic material
introduced into the brains of Alzheimer sufferers-brought death).
So, by your reasoning just because we haven't developed a thorough
understanding of genetics (yet), that proves creationism?
Proof? References?
Dispite all the shouting of the evolution camp information does not
increase by natural selection or mutations and this increase would be
absolutly(sic) necessasary to transform a single celled bacterium into a
multicelled creature or a monkey type into a human being.
Have you observed cellular mutation over millions of years to be sure this
never happens?
Proof? References?
This should end all intelligent argument over the possiblity of evolution
leaving us with the only other possiblity-special creation-like it or not.
So it's no evolution = god did it? If science doesn't agree with the bible,
science must be wrong.
Even if evolution were false (which it isn't) there may be other
explanations.
I suggest you put down your bible and pick up some real science texts.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
25 May 2004 06:53:42 PM |
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(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
<SNIP rest>
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
26 May 2004 12:01:28 PM |
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In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
26 May 2004 09:10:46 PM |
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(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2605041001280001@pm8-35.kalama.com:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic makeup of the population will inevitably change over time.
The change is a combination of random events that lead to genetic
drift plus selection of traits based on reproductive success. The
later weeds out the bad mutations. This is an unavoidable
mathematical fact unless you had interference via genetic
engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within
the clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of
species as confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example
would be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa.
This organism is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this
came about through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in
nature but shows that a few generations can lead to a huge difference
"type" (in your terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities
that no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You realise that HeLa cells are the descendants of a malignant tumour.
You are saying that your god intervenes and causes cancer? Interesting.
LK.
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
27 May 2004 10:38:20 AM |
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In article <Xns94F6903DFF4AELlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2605041001280001@pm8-35.kalama.com:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic makeup of the population will inevitably change over time.
The change is a combination of random events that lead to genetic
drift plus selection of traits based on reproductive success. The
later weeds out the bad mutations. This is an unavoidable
mathematical fact unless you had interference via genetic
engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within
the clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of
species as confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example
would be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa.
This organism is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this
came about through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in
nature but shows that a few generations can lead to a huge difference
"type" (in your terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities
that no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You realise that HeLa cells are the descendants of a malignant tumour.
You are saying that your god intervenes and causes cancer? Interesting.
LK.
_____________________________________________
Cancer cells are deformed normal cells(mutations and harmful). These are
the result of the curse from Adam's sin of disobediance. Gen 3 They also
have no circulatory system and can be killed by heat above 140 F as with
HIFUS.
Canceer cells do not help the organism but, if left alone, will ultimatly
kill the host. And a cell is not an organism in the human body but only a
part of the organism-it cannot survive by itself.
You have not refuted the original argument at all.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
31 May 2004 08:58:28 PM |
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(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2705040838200001@pm6-05.kalama.com:
In article <Xns94F6903DFF4AELlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2605041001280001@pm8-35.kalama.com:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly
every individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in
their progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations
and the genetic makeup of the population will inevitably change
over time. The change is a combination of random events that lead
to genetic drift plus selection of traits based on reproductive
success. The later weeds out the bad mutations. This is an
unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had interference via
genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always
within the clade of the ancestral species - that is because they
begin from the same raw genetic material. You end up with a
branching bush of species as confirmed by the genetic and
morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species
called HeLa. This organism is a direct descendent of a human
being. Of course this came about through a circumstance that
wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows that a few generations
can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells
and places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You realise that HeLa cells are the descendants of a malignant
tumour. You are saying that your god intervenes and causes cancer?
Interesting.
LK.
_____________________________________________
Cancer cells are deformed normal cells(mutations and harmful). These
are the result of the curse from Adam's sin of disobediance. Gen 3
They also have no circulatory system and can be killed by heat above
140 F as with HIFUS.
So you are trying to blame Adam for cancer. Lets see, Adam eats an apple
an so god inflicts cancer on all metazoans but don't worry god loves
you. Yeah that makes sense.
Canceer cells do not help the organism but, if left alone, will
ultimatly kill the host. And a cell is not an organism in the human
body but only a part of the organism-it cannot survive by itself.
Totally wrong. The HeLa cells I quoted are indeed able to survive
extremely well. In fact they are occaisionally responsible for unwanted
invasion of cell tissue cultures. The HeLa cell line is every bit as
legitimate a species as any protist. Henrietta Lacks died in the 1950's
but the cell line descended from her still lives.
You have not refuted the original argument at all.
Refuted it and buried it.
Klazmon.
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| User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
28 May 2004 02:20:45 AM |
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IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F6903DFF4AELlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2605041001280001@pm8-35.kalama.com:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic makeup of the population will inevitably change over time.
The change is a combination of random events that lead to genetic
drift plus selection of traits based on reproductive success. The
later weeds out the bad mutations. This is an unavoidable
mathematical fact unless you had interference via genetic
engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within
the clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of
species as confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example
would be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa.
This organism is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this
came about through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in
nature but shows that a few generations can lead to a huge difference
"type" (in your terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities
that no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You realise that HeLa cells are the descendants of a malignant tumour.
You are saying that your god intervenes and causes cancer? Interesting.
LK.
_____________________________________________
Cancer cells are deformed normal cells(mutations and harmful). These are
the result of the curse from Adam's sin of disobediance. Gen 3
Why does your God feel the need to punish not only the original sinner
but his descendants as well? Is that what a loving Father does?
They also have no circulatory system and can be killed by heat above 140 > F as with HIFUS.
That must come as quite a relief to the people that suffer from cancer.
Canceer cells do not help the organism but, if left alone, will ultimatly
kill the host. And a cell is not an organism in the human body but only a
part of the organism-it cannot survive by itself.
Your point with this exactly? What was that you said? No point?
You have not refuted the original argument at all.
No point in refuting something not based on logic, but on the writings
of ignorant sheep-herders trying to make their imaginary friend bigger
than the imaginary friend(s) of the tribe two hills north.
-n
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| User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
26 May 2004 12:10:11 PM |
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IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
-n
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
26 May 2004 01:16:24 PM |
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In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well, fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
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| User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
26 May 2004 01:41:37 PM |
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IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well, fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not in humans?
-n
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
26 May 2004 09:34:02 PM |
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"Nikolaos D. Bougalis" wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well, fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not in humans?
No...God gives "special" babies to "special" parents...it's a great
honor.
Paul
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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27 May 2004 10:31:36 AM |
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In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you read
God's Word the Bible).
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
We who are created in God's own image, redeemed and saved by the blood of
the Lord Jesus Christ are not the same as the brute beasts who are
evolving. These brute beasts, as all other animals, have no morals,
conscience, love, compassion or understanding. They are here in this
world for us to use(not abuse) for they have no other purpose than to
reproduce and serve us. We can train them to work for us, serve us,
entertain us in exchange for providing and protecting them from their
brother animals who would kill and devour them if possible.
When one of these brute beasts tells you that evolution is a "fact" you
can readily agree for the evidence stands before you in these evolving
animals claiming to be men when they are in fact simply animals as dogs,
cats, chickens, pigs, horses or cows or frogs and flies. Their brains are
in the process of continual mutation not being able to understand the
reality of life anymore than a donkey can. Now they claim this position
for themselves because evolution is a "fact" and they are the pinnacle of
that "fact". They know not what they will evolve into but they are
certain it will be something of a higher order that what they are now. In
some mysterious way(known only to them-if knowing is even possible for
them) that their DNA information will somehow defy the laws of
thermodynamics and increase improving their chances of survival.
God describes these as:
"But these[animals] speak evil of those things which they know not: but
what they know naturally[naturalism-evolution], as brute beasts, in those
things they corrupt themselves." Jude 10
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| User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
28 May 2004 02:15:57 AM |
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IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you read
God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary friend
actually exists, then you agree that he causes deformities in babies.
Oh sure, you masquarade it as a "curse" and try to make it appear a
consequence of the actions of someone who may or may have not existed.
But you conviently forget to mention that your God could have prevented
the whole thing from happening, and that if it were not for his
vindictive nature, he could have forgiven Adam, or at the very least
punish him less severely. But no, that's not enough. Like the loving
Father that you claim your God to be, he punishes not only the sinner
but all of his descendants as well.
Is this what you call a religion of love and mercy? You and your ilk
disgust me.
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
And why would I care what a collection of writings by sheep-herders
written over a course of hundreds of years over a millenia ago and
translated, edited and interpreted to best suit the needs of individuals
who did the translating, editing and interpreting has to say?
<snip remainder diatrebe>
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
28 May 2004 10:26:43 AM |
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In article <RGBtc.3106$oi5.829@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The
change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus
selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This
organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly
when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you read
God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary friend
actually exists, then you agree that he causes deformities in babies.
Oh sure, you masquarade it as a "curse" and try to make it appear a
consequence of the actions of someone who may or may have not existed.
But you conviently forget to mention that your God could have
prevented
the whole thing from happening, and that if it were not for his
vindictive nature, he could have forgiven Adam, or at the very least
punish him less severely. But no, that's not enough. Like the loving
Father that you claim your God to be, he punishes not only the sinner
but all of his descendants as well.
Is this what you call a religion of love and mercy? You and your ilk
disgust me.
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
And why would I care what a collection of writings by sheep-herders
written over a course of hundreds of years over a millenia ago and
translated, edited and interpreted to best suit the needs of individuals
who did the translating, editing and interpreting has to say?
_____________________________________________________________
As a brute beast who is evolving there is no need or purpose for you to do
anything but serve your own belly and breed and then die just like my
cows.
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| User: "Joe" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
28 May 2004 12:33:43 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-2805040826430001@pm6-26.kalama.com...
In article <RGBtc.3106$oi5.829@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly
every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The
change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus
selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the
bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always
within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species
as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This
organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but
shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in
your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells
and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly
when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities
(if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work
there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the
curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you
read
God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary
friend
actually exists, then you agree that he causes deformities in babies.
Oh sure, you masquarade it as a "curse" and try to make it
appear a
consequence of the actions of someone who may or may have not existed.
But you conviently forget to mention that your God could have
prevented
the whole thing from happening, and that if it were not for his
vindictive nature, he could have forgiven Adam, or at the very least
punish him less severely. But no, that's not enough. Like the loving
Father that you claim your God to be, he punishes not only the sinner
but all of his descendants as well.
Is this what you call a religion of love and mercy? You and your
ilk
disgust me.
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,
speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in
their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
And why would I care what a collection of writings by
sheep-herders
written over a course of hundreds of years over a millenia ago and
translated, edited and interpreted to best suit the needs of individuals
who did the translating, editing and interpreting has to say?
_____________________________________________________________
As a brute beast who is evolving there is no need or purpose for you to do
anything but serve your own belly and breed and then die just like my
cows.
You won't find a cow in a foxhole.
Joe
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| User: "Nikolaos D. Bougalis" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
28 May 2004 01:59:44 PM |
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IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <RGBtc.3106$oi5.829@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The
change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus
selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This
organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly
when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you read
God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary friend
actually exists, then you agree that he causes deformities in babies.
Oh sure, you masquarade it as a "curse" and try to make it appear a
consequence of the actions of someone who may or may have not existed.
But you conviently forget to mention that your God could have
prevented
the whole thing from happening, and that if it were not for his
vindictive nature, he could have forgiven Adam, or at the very least
punish him less severely. But no, that's not enough. Like the loving
Father that you claim your God to be, he punishes not only the sinner
but all of his descendants as well.
Is this what you call a religion of love and mercy? You and your ilk
disgust me.
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
And why would I care what a collection of writings by sheep-herders
written over a course of hundreds of years over a millenia ago and
translated, edited and interpreted to best suit the needs of individuals
who did the translating, editing and interpreting has to say?
_____________________________________________________________
As a brute beast who is evolving there is no need or purpose for you to do
anything but serve your own belly and breed and then die just like my
cows.
Just because your pastor tells you that life without God is
meaningless, or that it has no need or purpose does not make it so.
-n
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
29 May 2004 11:00:43 AM |
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In article <F_Ltc.5855$oi5.3978@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <RGBtc.3106$oi5.829@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The
change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus
selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always
within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This
organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature
but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly
when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at
work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you read
God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary friend
actually exists, then you agree that he causes deformities in babies.
Oh sure, you masquarade it as a "curse" and try to make it appear a
consequence of the actions of someone who may or may have not existed.
But you conviently forget to mention that your God could have
prevented
the whole thing from happening, and that if it were not for his
vindictive nature, he could have forgiven Adam, or at the very least
punish him less severely. But no, that's not enough. Like the loving
Father that you claim your God to be, he punishes not only the sinner
but all of his descendants as well.
Is this what you call a religion of love and mercy? You and
your ilk
disgust me.
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
And why would I care what a collection of writings by sheep-herders
written over a course of hundreds of years over a millenia ago and
translated, edited and interpreted to best suit the needs of individuals
who did the translating, editing and interpreting has to say?
_____________________________________________________________
As a brute beast who is evolving there is no need or purpose for you to do
anything but serve your own belly and breed and then die just like my
cows.
Just because your pastor tells you that life without God is
meaningless, or that it has no need or purpose does not make it so.
-n
________________________________________________________________
Moo!
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| User: "Joe" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
29 May 2004 03:37:21 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-2905040900430001@pm1-05.kalama.com...
In article <F_Ltc.5855$oi5.3978@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <RGBtc.3106$oi5.829@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D.
Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly
every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in
their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and
the
genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The
change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus
selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the
bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you
had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always
within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of
species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This
organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came
about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature
but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in
your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of
genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells
and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly
when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the
right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities
(if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at
work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but
not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the
curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you
read
God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary
friend
actually exists, then you agree that he causes deformities in babies.
Oh sure, you masquarade it as a "curse" and try to make it
appear a
consequence of the actions of someone who may or may have not existed.
But you conviently forget to mention that your God could have
prevented
the whole thing from happening, and that if it were not for his
vindictive nature, he could have forgiven Adam, or at the very least
punish him less severely. But no, that's not enough. Like the loving
Father that you claim your God to be, he punishes not only the sinner
but all of his descendants as well.
Is this what you call a religion of love and mercy? You and
your ilk
disgust me.
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,
speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in
their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
And why would I care what a collection of writings by
sheep-herders
written over a course of hundreds of years over a millenia ago and
translated, edited and interpreted to best suit the needs of
individuals
who did the translating, editing and interpreting has to say?
_____________________________________________________________
As a brute beast who is evolving there is no need or purpose for you
to do
anything but serve your own belly and breed and then die just like my
cows.
Just because your pastor tells you that life without God is
meaningless, or that it has no need or purpose does not make it so.
-n
________________________________________________________________
Moo!
If one has to serve someone in this life, it might as well be someone real.
Joe
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
29 May 2004 02:58:21 PM |
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 15:37:21 -0500, "Joe" <Joe@hotmail.com> wrote:
If one has to serve someone in this life, it might as well be someone real.
Why serve anyone?
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
28 May 2004 07:33:06 PM |
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IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <RGBtc.3106$oi5.829@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly every
individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in their
progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations and the
genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The
change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus
selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the bad
mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you had
interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always within the
clade of the ancestral species - that is because they begin from
the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species as
confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This
organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but shows
that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type" (in your
terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells and
places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly
when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities (if
the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the curse
brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if you read
God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary friend
actually exists, then you agree that he causes deformities in babies.
Oh sure, you masquarade it as a "curse" and try to make it appear a
consequence of the actions of someone who may or may have not existed.
But you conviently forget to mention that your God could have
prevented
the whole thing from happening, and that if it were not for his
vindictive nature, he could have forgiven Adam, or at the very least
punish him less severely. But no, that's not enough. Like the loving
Father that you claim your God to be, he punishes not only the sinner
but all of his descendants as well.
Is this what you call a religion of love and mercy? You and your ilk
disgust me.
As to your second question read below:
Brute Beasts
"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak
evil of the things they understand not, and shall utterly perish in their
own corruption;" II Peter 2:12
And why would I care what a collection of writings by sheep-herders
written over a course of hundreds of years over a millenia ago and
translated, edited and interpreted to best suit the needs of individuals
who did the translating, editing and interpreting has to say?
_____________________________________________________________
As a brute beast who is evolving there is no need or purpose for you to do
anything but serve your own belly and breed and then die just like my
cows.
And you spending eternity serving God's belly is different....HOW?
Paul
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Transformation Mechanism Missing |
28 May 2004 05:35:32 PM |
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On Fri, 28 May 2004 08:26:43 -0700 in episode
<IKnowHim-2805040826430001@pm6-26.kalama.com> we saw our hero
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou):
In article <RGBtc.3106$oi5.829@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Ex5tc.29432$wa.6063@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Wb4tc.29406$wa.17987@fed1read07>, "Nikolaos D. Bougalis"
<nikb@webmaster.com> wrote:
IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
In article <Xns94F5790138313LlanzlanLlurdiaxorbn@203.97.37.6>,
Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th <Llanzlan@Llurdiaxorb.net> wrote:
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote in
news:IKnowHim-2505040826580001@pm1-02.kalama.com:
Transformation Mechanism Missing
There is no known mechanism whereby one type of creature can be
transformed into another different type.
Every generation is a different "type" to the previous. Nearly
every individual has a few genetic mutations that did not exist in
their progenitors. Add up the differences over many generations
and the
genetic
makeup of the population will inevitably change over time. The
change is
a combination of random events that lead to genetic drift plus
selection
of traits based on reproductive success. The later weeds out the
bad mutations. This is an unavoidable mathematical fact unless you
had interference via genetic engineering.
Evolution predicts that an organism's descendents are always
within the clade of the ancestral species - that is because they
begin from
the same
raw genetic material. You end up with a branching bush of species
as confirmed by the genetic and morphological data.
There are a few rare exceptions on the morphology front. An
example would
be the protist (single cell eukaryote) species called HeLa. This
organism
is a direct descendent of a human being. Of course this came about
through a circumstance that wouldn't normally occur in nature but
shows that a few generations can lead to a huge difference "type"
(in your terms).
You might try to argue that HeLa corresponds to a loss of genetic
information but the fact is that HeLa cells have inherent
abilities that
no other cells in the human clade possess.
________________________________________________
Yes, and isn't God wonderful when He creates such marvelous cells
and places them in exactly the right place and time to do this?
You conveniently forgot to tell us what your God is exactly
when he
*doesn't* place them in exactly the right place at exactly the right
time, and you end up having a newborn baby with severe deformities
(if the baby is even viable)
___________________________________________
Oh, thats right. There are harmful mutations aren't there. Well,
fancy that!
But those same harmful mutations bring us the brute beasts who have
evolved.
Now, are you one of those evolving animals?
You forgot to answer the question... Does your God cause
deformities in
babies, or is that another imaginary friend (or foe, I guess) at work
there?
And are you implying that evolution occurs in animals, but not
in humans?
-n
_______________________________________________________________
God does NOT cause deformities in babies, nor wars, nor diseases, nor
famines, nor storms. These unfortunate things are the result of the
curse brought on by Adam's sin of disobedience(you would know that if
you read God's Word the Bible).
Assuming for the sake of this discussion that your imaginary
friend
actually exists, then | | | | | | | | | |
