Religions > Atheism > Transitional fossils you want? Transitional fossils you get!
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Transitional fossils you want? Transitional fossils you get! |
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
The article continues at
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040402/ARM02/TPScience/
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http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
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02 Apr 2004 11:22:11 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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02 Apr 2004 07:55:36 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> astounded us with: news:106r8i64fs62gb7
@corp.supernews.com:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Not a stretch at all...
The very earliest lifeforms of which we have record date back to nearly 3.8
billion years ago. These were procaryotes (a group that includes bacteria)
consisting of little more than tiny bags of self-replicating chemicals,
without so much as a localized nucleus. The oldest known eucaryotic cells
(those with high-tech advances, including - most importantly - a membrane-
bound nucleus) are single-celled organisms called protoctists (a group
which includes amoebas, dinoflagellates and slime molds) dating back some
2.2 to 1.8 billion years. The Ediacaran assemblage in southern Australia is
about 580 million years old and provides us with a look at the earliest-
known multicellular life, a collection of bizarre invertebrates unlike
anything alive today. Armored jawless fishes known as ostracoderms were the
first true vertebrates, dating back to about 510 million years ago. Sharks
appeared on the fossil scene about 455 to 425 million years ago. Those
embodiments of prehistoric life, the dinosaurs, were relative late-comers -
one of the earliest known genera (Herrerasaurus) dates back only about 230
million years.
http://www.elasmo-research.org/education/evolution/geologic_time.htm
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Phÿltêr
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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02 Apr 2004 11:56:06 AM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
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Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
<snip>
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Science works. Religion sleeps.
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Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip?
A: To get to the other...er, um...
[seen on a math jokes site]
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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02 Apr 2004 08:17:17 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:106r8i64fs62gb7@corp.supernews.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Push those fingers tighter into your ears, Randy. It also helps to say
"LALALALALALA" really loudly.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "John Baker" |
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02 Apr 2004 05:25:30 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:106r8i64fs62gb7@corp.supernews.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Randy, you are either a shameless troll or one of the most abysmally stupid
individuals I've ever encountered. Which is it?
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Apr 2004 01:34:24 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:25:30 GMT, "John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net>,
Message ID: <KDmbc.1209$bP5.524@fe1.columbus.rr.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:106r8i64fs62gb7@corp.supernews.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Randy, you are either a shameless troll or one of the most abysmally stupid
individuals I've ever encountered. Which is it?
Both.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Budikka" |
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02 Apr 2004 08:37:01 PM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message news:<106r8i64fs62gb7@corp.supernews.com>...
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
What a blowhard you truly are. Every post you make gain-says
evolution, but not a single solitary one of them actually offers a
shred of support for all your blather.
I noticed in the thread I started in late March offering support for
evolution and challenging creation that you hit back with comments on
the same day every time I posted until I challenged you to offer your
best refutations of evolution, or your best arguments in favor of
creation. At that precise moment, you snuck out like a whipped puppy
and haven't been back since, so let me challenge you once again so the
world can see if you have anything or are just another in an
embarrasingly long line of clueless creationist windbags.
Post here in this thread your five best refutations of evolution (or
URLs to them), or your five best arguments in favor of creation (or
the URLs), and I guarantee you I will refute them no matter what you
post.
Alternately, if you want it easy on yourself, respond to my other
challenge: Where, in professional, peer-reviewed literature of the
relevant sciences, is there any paper published that offers serious
refutation of evolution, or that establishes an alternative to
evolution that better explains the origin, diversity, and distribution
of life on Earth?
I won't hold my breath, so please feel free to skunk away or to blow
more empty trash instead of actually taking up the challenges. All
creationists do this, so you won't be on your own.
Budikka
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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02 Apr 2004 07:16:21 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:22:11 -0800, a stranger
called by some "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Walking catfish don't have limbs.
But you bring up an interesting point. Such fish *are* a transitional
form themselves! Adapted for life in water, but able to cross dry
areas to reach new pools. Their ability to do this show one of the
paths that led to true amphimpians.
Thanks for the strong point in favor of evolution.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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02 Apr 2004 04:33:47 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:22:11 -0800 the ET form known as Randy
Story<rstorynw@olypen.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Randy displays his pig ignorance again.
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| User: "Marguerita" |
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02 Apr 2004 07:02:34 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:22:11 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep
Actually I think he was talking about fish. Are you from Leeds?
M
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02 Apr 2004 04:34:06 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:22:11 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything.
I thought Christians prided themselves as being Jesus' sheep...
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02 Apr 2004 07:02:51 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:22:11 -0800, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Based on your above wisdom, I grant you a full doctorate. In
imbecility.
My mistake! You already had one. Sorry.
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02 Apr 2004 11:36:43 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Randy Story:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net...
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
You talk about sheep that believe and follow anything. Wow, then the
walking catfish must be 350 million years old.
Reality bites, doesn't it Randy?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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03 Apr 2004 03:35:10 AM |
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In article <406D9F61.50D9565B@serv.net>,
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote:
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
The article continues at
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040402/ARM02/
TPScience/
Yep. Science marches on!
If anyone's interested, here is a link to the New Scientist article on
the subject:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994843
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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02 Apr 2004 01:06:39 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:14:09 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
ejaculated:
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
<moron category="fundie">
It's still just a salamander.
</moron>
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<http://www20.brinkster.com/beowulf9/gottod/Jesus%20Hates%20The%20Little%20Children.html>
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| User: "Alex" |
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02 Apr 2004 04:34:50 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:06:39 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:14:09 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
ejaculated:
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
<moron category="fundie">
It's still just a salamander.
</moron>
<moron category="fundie">
Well this just exposes two *more* gaps than there were before!
</moron>
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| Title: Re: Re: Transitional fossils you want? Transitional fossils you get! |
05 Apr 2004 01:50:37 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:34:50 -0500, Alex <a@b.c> ejaculated:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:06:39 -0500, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:14:09 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
ejaculated:
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
<moron category="fundie">
It's still just a salamander.
</moron>
<moron category="fundie">
Well this just exposes two *more* gaps than there were before!
</moron>
Too true.
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| User: "Marguerita" |
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| Title: Re: Transitional fossils you want? Transitional fossils you get! |
02 Apr 2004 07:02:26 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:14:09 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
Interesting... but hadn't the mudskipper already bridged that logical
gap?
M
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Transitional fossils you want? Transitional fossils you get! |
02 Apr 2004 06:29:01 PM |
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Marguerita <marguerita@hottermail.co.uk> wrote in
news:s83s60pecvspsheu71qscfq4uqlghtmbae@4ax.com:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:14:09 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Ancient arm bone shows fish used limbs
Discovery of 365-million-year-old fossil of salamander-like creature
bridges major gap in evolution
By DAWN WALTON
Friday, April 2, 2004 - Page A3
American scientists have unearthed the world's oldest arm bone, a
365-million-year-old fossil that provides key evidence that fish used
limbs in water well before animals used them to climb up on land.
In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers describe an
aquatic, salamander-like creature that would have pushed its arms
downward to move through shallow rivers, and used them to prop itself
up
while waiting for prey or to get air.
Its upper arm bone or humerus, which was discovered along a road cut
in
Pennsylvania, bridges a major gap in our grasp of the progression from
fins to limbs, say authors Neil Shubin and Michael Coates of the
University of Chicago and Ted Daeschler of Philadelphia's Academy of
Natural Sciences.
"It immediately became evident that, wow, this really helps us
understand the evolution of the limb," Dr. Daeschler said. "The story
of
the emergence of animals with limbs from their fish ancestors is the
sexiest part of what we do."
Little is known about that topic.
The Devonian period in which this creature lived is thought to have
been
a hotbed of evolutionary activity among plants, invertebrates and
vertebrates.
Interesting... but hadn't the mudskipper already bridged that logical
gap?
Not quite. Mudskippers still have fins instead of "arm bones".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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