Religions > Atheism > Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says
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03 Dec 2006 07:19:15 AM |
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Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
LAKE FOREST, Calif. (AP) -- For Christians to love homosexuals like
Jesus would, they should stop thinking of homosexuality as an
orientation and start thinking of it as a temptation, says Tim Wilkins,
himself "formerly gay."
Wilkins, who founded a group that helps people who have "unwanted
same-sex attractions," offered his controversial view during a
breakout session at Saddleback Church's Global Summit on AIDS and the
Church. The summit brought Christians and AIDS workers together to
address prevention and treatment of the disease, which originally was
associated with homosexuals.
"In practical terms ... mankind is heterosexual -- physiologically,
anatomically and biologically," Wilkins told his audience mostly of
evangelicals. "The only part that is not heterosexual is the mind, and
that is not a big deal because the Bible says we are transformed by the
renewing of our mind."
Wilkins knows what it's like to be attracted to other men. For many
of his developmental and early-adult years, he experienced and acted on
those homosexual feelings.
But now, married for 13 years and with three daughters, Wilkins says he
does not give in to the temptation to indulge in homosexual conduct.
And his work at Cross Ministries is devoted to preaching the same
message.
In his Nov. 30 session, called "Loving Homosexuals as Jesus Would,"
Wilkins told attendees they must love people not only from their heart
and gut but also from their head.
"We actually choose to love people. And you have not loved anybody
unless you choose to love somebody that is completely different from
you," he said. "Sometimes, if not most of the time, our expressions
of love ... are counterintuitive and counterproductive. No one has ever
been argued out of homosexuality."
For Christians to love homosexuals like Jesus, one of the first steps
is to stop thinking of homosexuality as an orientation and think of it
as a temptation, Wilkins said.
His own experience with same-sex attraction, Wilkins said, was "not
predominantly [about] homosexuality;" it was an issue with his own
sin nature -- something inside every human being. Everyone faces
temptation, Wilkins said, and people are simply tempted by different
things.
After they recognize the origin of the attraction, Christians can love
homosexuals by showing them that homosexuality is not the opposite of
heterosexuality, but it's a "counterfeit" sexuality, he said.
With such a controversial message about homosexuality, Wilkins has
plenty of critics. Mike Airhart, who contributes to the website
www.exgaywatch.com, wrote that Wilkins offers no solid advice for gay
people, choosing instead to speak against them.
"Wilkins dismisses the 'counterfeit love found in homosexuality,'
offers no constructive reflections about gay people, and provides no
trace of opposition to antigay discrimination," Airhart wrote.
In 2005, at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, more than 30 people
walked out of one of Wilkins' speeches organized for the school's
Apologetics Association. That was before a fight broke out. "The
sounding of numerous cell phones, commentary and interruptions from the
audience and a fight interrupted his speech," the student newspaper,
the UWM Post, reported.
Wilkins has also come under fire from some religious groups who are
uncomfortable with his admissions that he may still struggle with
"temptations" for same-sex attraction.
Last September, Wilkins told a North Carolina church group "he was
not cured, but merely suppressing his sexuality," according to
political activist Wayne Besen. Besen wrote Anything But Straight:
Unmasking the Scandals and Lies Behind the Ex-Gay Myth.
Besen disagreed with Wilkins' alleged belief "that those who don't
become straight or successfully celibate fail because they are not
sufficiently obedient to God."
"From my experience this message is particularly dangerous," Besen
wrote, adding that people who don't change after extraordinary effort
often despair, falling into depression, low self-esteem or suicide.
Despite his detractors, Wilkins soldiers on with his message that
turning from homosexuality comes from a relationship with God, which
brings freedom. During the AIDS summit at Saddleback, none of his
listeners spoke up to object to his ideas, even during the
question-and-answer session.
Wilkins said Christians focus too much on talking about change for
homosexuals instead of talking about the freedom that comes from
knowing God. The idea that Christians should try to "convert"
homosexuals to heterosexuality "does not place the appropriate
emphasis on Jesus Christ, the author and perfecter of our faith."
What's more, to peddle heterosexuality to people attracted to those
of the same sex just doesn't make sense, Wilkins said. "If
beautiful women were the remedy for male homosexuality, there would be
no gay men."
Further, he added, it's not a sin to be attracted to the same sex --
the attraction itself is a moot point. Instead, when Christians lead
people to a relationship with Jesus, those with same-sex attractions
will get a savior who fulfills their needs for love, acceptance and
affirmation.
After he became spiritually intimate with God, Wilkins said, his needs
for intimacy with men diminished. "What I needed was a savior," he
said. "I needed Jesus Christ. The relationship which precedes every
relationship in the world is the one with our heavenly father."
Saddleback's two-day summit was intended to motivate and equip
Christians and churches to address the needs of people worldwide living
with HIV/AIDS. Seminars addressed a number of medical and spiritual
topics, including how to set up an HIV/AIDS ministry in a local church.
Although AIDS worldwide is primarily spread through heterosexual sex,
it was first recognized in the United States as a disease of homosexual
men.
In the United States, 42 percent of men first obtain the human
immunodeficiency virus through homosexual contact, according to the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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| User: "Joel" |
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03 Dec 2006 09:19:13 AM |
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"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote:
LAKE FOREST, Calif. (AP) -- For Christians to love homosexuals like
Jesus would, they should stop thinking of homosexuality as an
orientation and start thinking of it as a temptation, says Tim Wilkins,
himself "formerly gay."
Dumb. Those people were never gay. When I was turning 18, I went
through a phase of being "gay" for less than six months. Others may
not figure it out for a lot longer, but the truth is that they're just
some form of bisexual, and avoiding their natural orientation.
Christianity may have helped some of them recognize that, but it
certainly didn't save them from being gay - they aren't gay.
A gay/lesbian person having straight sex, occasionally, doesn't make
them straight. A gay/lesbian person being married, for many years,
and then finally coming out, doesn't make them "formerly straight".
That means they were lost. And it's the same thing, here. There are,
indeed, people who go the wrong way, for *them*, for quite some time,
and then change course. Sexuality is complicated.
--
Joel Crump
Political correctness is not only gay, it's also retarded.
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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04 Dec 2006 12:22:08 AM |
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In article <iaq5n2dot5hscaf1ooqqkhuki50mggfi53@4ax.com>,
Joel <joelx@usa.net> wrote:
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com> wrote:
LAKE FOREST, Calif. (AP) -- For Christians to love homosexuals like
Jesus would, they should stop thinking of homosexuality as an
orientation and start thinking of it as a temptation, says Tim Wilkins,
himself "formerly gay."
Dumb. Those people were never gay.
How would you know? How would you know anything?
When I was turning 18, I went
through a phase of being "gay" for less than six months. Others may
not figure it out for a lot longer, but the truth is that they're just
some form of bisexual, and avoiding their natural orientation.
Christianity may have helped some of them recognize that, but it
certainly didn't save them from being gay - they aren't gay.
It sounds like you are over-generalizing from your own experience. Maybe
you had better consider that other people may differ from you in this
regard?
A gay/lesbian person having straight sex, occasionally, doesn't make
them straight. A gay/lesbian person being married, for many years,
and then finally coming out, doesn't make them "formerly straight".
That means they were lost. And it's the same thing, here. There are,
indeed, people who go the wrong way, for *them*, for quite some time,
and then change course. Sexuality is complicated.
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| User: "Joel" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
04 Dec 2006 07:48:13 AM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
Dumb. Those people were never gay.
How would you know? How would you know anything?
That's a good question, coming from you, since you clearly know
nothing. I don't blame you for projecting your own ignorance onto the
entire world, but suffice it to say, a lot of us have a little thing
known as a "clue".
When I was turning 18, I went
through a phase of being "gay" for less than six months. Others may
not figure it out for a lot longer, but the truth is that they're just
some form of bisexual, and avoiding their natural orientation.
Christianity may have helped some of them recognize that, but it
certainly didn't save them from being gay - they aren't gay.
It sounds like you are over-generalizing from your own experience.
Go ***** yourself, nerd. I am in no way doing that, and you are quite
arrogant to speculate that.
Maybe
you had better consider that other people may differ from you in this
regard?
Maybe you had better be glad this is the Internet, so that I can't
kick your ***** for insulting my intelligence, nerd.
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Joel Crump
Political correctness is not only gay, it's also retarded.
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
04 Dec 2006 01:51:53 PM |
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In article <tg88n2ddtdn7bcrlcp6im16u9iafcgqctq@4ax.com>,
Joel <joelx@usa.net> wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
Dumb. Those people were never gay.
How would you know? How would you know anything?
That's a good question, coming from you, since you clearly know
nothing. I don't blame you for projecting your own ignorance onto the
entire world, but suffice it to say, a lot of us have a little thing
known as a "clue".
I know more than you might imagine. Anyhow, that doesn't answer my
question, does it? How would you know they were never gay? You know
nothing of the kind.
When I was turning 18, I went
through a phase of being "gay" for less than six months. Others may
not figure it out for a lot longer, but the truth is that they're just
some form of bisexual, and avoiding their natural orientation.
Christianity may have helped some of them recognize that, but it
certainly didn't save them from being gay - they aren't gay.
It sounds like you are over-generalizing from your own experience.
Go ***** yourself, nerd. I am in no way doing that, and you are quite
arrogant to speculate that.
You go ***** yourself. Over-generalizing from your own experience is
clearly just what you are doing.
Maybe
you had better consider that other people may differ from you in this
regard?
Maybe you had better be glad this is the Internet, so that I can't
kick your ***** for insulting my intelligence, nerd.
Odd that you're calling me a nerd, since it's a term of abuse people
usually reserve for people who are more intelligent than them.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
04 Dec 2006 07:47:17 PM |
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In News qazfez-0AE48C.08515305122006@lust.ihug.co.nz,, Qazfez at
qazfez@o.com, typed this:
In article <tg88n2ddtdn7bcrlcp6im16u9iafcgqctq@4ax.com>,
Joel <joelx@usa.net> wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
Dumb. Those people were never gay.
How would you know? How would you know anything?
That's a good question, coming from you, since you clearly know
nothing. I don't blame you for projecting your own ignorance onto
the entire world, but suffice it to say, a lot of us have a little
thing known as a "clue".
I know more than you might imagine.
But not nearly as much as you imagine.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "" |
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03 Dec 2006 06:25:25 PM |
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With such a controversial message about homosexuality, Wilkins has
plenty of critics. Mike Airhart, who contributes to the website
www.exgaywatch.com, wrote that Wilkins offers no solid advice for gay
people, choosing instead to speak against them.
"Wilkins dismisses the 'counterfeit love found in homosexuality,'
offers no constructive reflections about gay people, and provides no
trace of opposition to antigay discrimination," Airhart wrote.
In 2005, at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, more than 30 people
walked out of one of Wilkins' speeches organized for the school's
Apologetics Association. That was before a fight broke out. "The
sounding of numerous cell phones, commentary and interruptions from the
audience and a fight interrupted his speech," the student newspaper,
the UWM Post, reported.
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort. When homosexuality or
homosexual is mentioned in anything but abject worshipful tones,
Homo-Pavlov Dogs instantly respond with the incredibly predicable
"What is it with your RRR Christian Cultist hate for homosexuality,
loathsome and bigoted LOSER?" They invoke it like some sort of
cult-chant to ward off a blasphemy against there homo-phallic-idol.
It's all part of the homosexual dogma: "Lie, Deny and do every thing
possible to Suppress the Truth about homosexuality."
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Dec 2006 07:26:30 PM |
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<bibon@râlant.org> wrote:
With such a controversial message about homosexuality, Wilkins has
plenty of critics. Mike Airhart, who contributes to the website
www.exgaywatch.com, wrote that Wilkins offers no solid advice for gay
people, choosing instead to speak against them.
"Wilkins dismisses the 'counterfeit love found in homosexuality,'
offers no constructive reflections about gay people, and provides no
trace of opposition to antigay discrimination," Airhart wrote.
In 2005, at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, more than 30 people
walked out of one of Wilkins' speeches organized for the school's
Apologetics Association. That was before a fight broke out. "The
sounding of numerous cell phones, commentary and interruptions from the
audience and a fight interrupted his speech," the student newspaper,
the UWM Post, reported.
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
04 Dec 2006 12:24:48 AM |
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In article <45737946$0$34562$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
<bibon@râlant.org> wrote:
With such a controversial message about homosexuality, Wilkins has
plenty of critics. Mike Airhart, who contributes to the website
www.exgaywatch.com, wrote that Wilkins offers no solid advice for gay
people, choosing instead to speak against them.
"Wilkins dismisses the 'counterfeit love found in homosexuality,'
offers no constructive reflections about gay people, and provides no
trace of opposition to antigay discrimination," Airhart wrote.
In 2005, at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, more than 30 people
walked out of one of Wilkins' speeches organized for the school's
Apologetics Association. That was before a fight broke out. "The
sounding of numerous cell phones, commentary and interruptions from the
audience and a fight interrupted his speech," the student newspaper,
the UWM Post, reported.
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison. Really, it's foolish to drag Hitler into any
discussion where he doesn't belong.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Dec 2006 01:44:18 AM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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04 Dec 2006 01:51:39 AM |
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In article <4573d1d2$0$34504$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things, but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Maybe you should get over your hate for them?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
04 Dec 2006 11:43:17 AM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
In article <4573d1d2$0$34504$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things,
Like you do.
but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Bigots, homophobic, racist, and ant-semitic, are always convinced that
their hatred and intolerance are justified. They (you) will whine
about the minor flaws in others while ignoring the gaping flas in
themselves and in their own hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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04 Dec 2006 01:46:41 PM |
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In article <45745e35$0$34572$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
In article <4573d1d2$0$34504$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things,
Like you do.
but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Bigots, homophobic, racist, and ant-semitic, are always convinced that
their hatred and intolerance are justified. They (you) will whine
about the minor flaws in others while ignoring the gaping flaws in
themselves and in their own hate.
It is one thing to say that homosexuality has negative consequences,
quite another thing to be intolerant of homosexuals. I am no more
intolerant of homosexuals than I am intolerant of smokers.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Dec 2006 12:25:02 AM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things,
Like you do.
but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Bigots, homophobic, racist, and ant-semitic, are always convinced that
their hatred and intolerance are justified. They (you) will whine
about the minor flaws in others while ignoring the gaping flaws in
themselves and in their own hate.
It is one thing to say that homosexuality has negative consequences,
YOUR hatred has "negative consequences".
So what? ***** bigots like you have caused far more suffering and
death than homosexuals ever have.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
05 Dec 2006 04:36:13 AM |
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In article <457510be$0$34565$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things,
Like you do.
but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Bigots, homophobic, racist, and ant-semitic, are always convinced that
their hatred and intolerance are justified. They (you) will whine
about the minor flaws in others while ignoring the gaping flaws in
themselves and in their own hate.
It is one thing to say that homosexuality has negative consequences,
YOUR hatred has "negative consequences".
For whom? For the various people on this newsgroup who apparently find
my posts worth reading, for one reason or another?
So what? ***** bigots like you have caused far more suffering and
death than homosexuals ever have.
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
10 Dec 2006 12:24:59 AM |
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I am very sorry, but I NEED A BIG HARD ***** UP INSIDE MY ***** RIGHT
NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody P L E A S E ***** ME!!
i need it B A D ! ! !
please please please won't somebody please ***** THE HELL OUT OF MY *****
HOLE!
I am VERY VERY GAY and I NEED *****!! I NEED IT BAD!! UP IN MY *****!!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
05 Dec 2006 12:36:24 PM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
In article <457510be$0$34565$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things,
Like you do.
but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Bigots, homophobic, racist, and ant-semitic, are always convinced that
their hatred and intolerance are justified. They (you) will whine
about the minor flaws in others while ignoring the gaping flaws in
themselves and in their own hate.
It is one thing to say that homosexuality has negative consequences,
YOUR hatred has "negative consequences".
For whom?
Society. Hatred leads to death.
So what? ***** bigots like you have caused far more suffering and
death than homosexuals ever have.
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
06 Dec 2006 02:04:24 AM |
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In article <4575bc28$0$34523$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
In article <457510be$0$34565$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your
hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things,
Like you do.
but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Bigots, homophobic, racist, and ant-semitic, are always convinced that
their hatred and intolerance are justified. They (you) will whine
about the minor flaws in others while ignoring the gaping flaws in
themselves and in their own hate.
It is one thing to say that homosexuality has negative consequences,
YOUR hatred has "negative consequences".
For whom?
Society. Hatred leads to death.
So what? ***** bigots like you have caused far more suffering and
death than homosexuals ever have.
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
People who point out the dangers of smoking aren't usually accused of
wanting to kill smokers.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
06 Dec 2006 09:37:47 PM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
In article <4575bc28$0$34523$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
In article <457510be$0$34565$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Homosexuals can't stand criticism of any sort.
That coming from you would be a lot like hitler whining that Jews
couldn't stand any criticism.
That's a stupid comparison.
No, like hitler, you homophobes promote hatred by demonizing people.
And then you act offended when people point out the evil of your
hate.
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things,
Like you do.
but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Bigots, homophobic, racist, and ant-semitic, are always convinced that
their hatred and intolerance are justified. They (you) will whine
about the minor flaws in others while ignoring the gaping flaws in
themselves and in their own hate.
It is one thing to say that homosexuality has negative consequences,
YOUR hatred has "negative consequences".
For whom?
Society. Hatred leads to death.
So what? ***** bigots like you have caused far more suffering and
death than homosexuals ever have.
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
"Pointing out the dangers of the [Jewish] lifestyle is murderous?"
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
09 Dec 2006 04:15:19 PM |
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In article <45778c8b$0$34502$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
[snip]
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
"Pointing out the dangers of the [Jewish] lifestyle is murderous?"
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the homosexual lifestyle has
dangerous aspects to it that the Jewish lifestyle does not? I think it
does. So I also think that that's a pretty dumb comparison.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
09 Dec 2006 05:06:36 PM |
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I'd call getting baked like a pizza a danger. Same thing with testing
gas showers.
Qazfez wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the homosexual lifestyle has
dangerous aspects to it that the Jewish lifestyle does not?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
13 Dec 2006 12:24:34 AM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
"Pointing out the dangers of the [Jewish] lifestyle is murderous?"
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the homosexual lifestyle has
dangerous aspects to it that the Jewish lifestyle does not?
"Did it ever occur to you that maybe the [Jewish] lifestyle has
dangerous aspects to it that the [homosexual] lifestyle does not?"
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ScottyFLL" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
09 Dec 2006 05:12:55 PM |
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Qazfez wrote:
In article <45778c8b$0$34502$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
[snip]
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
"Pointing out the dangers of the [Jewish] lifestyle is murderous?"
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the homosexual lifestyle has
dangerous aspects to it that the Jewish lifestyle does not?
There is nothing inherently dangerous about being homosexual. Or
Jewish.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
10 Dec 2006 09:02:09 AM |
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I don't know... Circumcision can be damn dangerous,too!
ScottyFLL wrote:
There is nothing inherently dangerous about being homosexual. Or
Jewish.
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| User: "Qazfez" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
13 Dec 2006 12:33:52 AM |
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In article <1165705975.408456.144980@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"ScottyFLL" <ScottyFLL@gmail.com> wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
In article <45778c8b$0$34502$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
[snip]
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
"Pointing out the dangers of the [Jewish] lifestyle is murderous?"
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the homosexual lifestyle has
dangerous aspects to it that the Jewish lifestyle does not?
There is nothing inherently dangerous about being homosexual.
Yes there is.
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| User: "Lisa Borup Croshaw" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
13 Dec 2006 01:17:47 AM |
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--
thomas p.
"Qazfez" <qazfez@o.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:qazfez-50493F.19335213122006@lust.ihug.co.nz...
In article <1165705975.408456.144980@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"ScottyFLL" <ScottyFLL@gmail.com> wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
In article <45778c8b$0$34502$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
[snip]
You write like a self-pitying fairy.
You write like a murderous little bigot.
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
"Pointing out the dangers of the [Jewish] lifestyle is murderous?"
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the homosexual lifestyle has
dangerous aspects to it that the Jewish lifestyle does not?
There is nothing inherently dangerous about being homosexual.
Yes there is.
Do tell.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
07 Dec 2006 08:36:46 AM |
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Pointing is also dangerous.. I might bite your finger off.
Ray Fischer wrote:
"Pointing out the dangers of the [Jewish] lifestyle is murderous?"
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ScottyFLL" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
06 Dec 2006 06:31:08 AM |
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Qazfez wrote:
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
Tell us what is dangerous about MY lifestyle, Qaz. My personal
lifestyle. Tell me the dangers of MY homosexuality, from what you know
of me.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, former gay says |
06 Dec 2006 09:53:48 AM |
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By the logic followed here, I could state that homosexuality is
actually good for the environment as it serves as a form of
population-control. It keeps our planet from becoming overcrowded.
ScottyFLL wrote:
Qazfez wrote:
Pointing out the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is murderous?
Tell us what is dangerous about MY lifestyle, Qaz. My personal
lifestyle. Tell me the dangers of MY homosexuality, from what you know
of me.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Treat homosexuality as 'temptation,' not orientation, formergay says |
06 Dec 2006 08:16:39 PM |
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wrote:
By the logic followed here, I could state that homosexuality is
actually good for the environment as it serves as a form of
population-control. It keeps our planet from becoming overcrowded.
Oh my God! Quick! We need to revise the Kyoto Protocols!
Signatories should endeavor to establish and expand homosexual
populations. The lack of breeding (I.E.: Carbon dioxide producers
creating more oxygen-to-carbon-dioxide producers) could eliminate Global
Warming; AND, if done enough, could keep OPEC happy by ensuring that the
oil lasts longer. No need for carbon exchanges. No massive tree planting
schemes. SUVs for everyone, AND 500-mile-per-hour speed limits! (That
Gucci sale won't last forever ya know.)
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
Marriages are made in Heaven; But so are tornados, hail storms, and golfer-killing lightning strikes.
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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| User: "Joel" |
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04 Dec 2006 07:48:13 AM |
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Qazfez <qazfez@o.com> wrote:
'Homophobes' sometimes say silly things, but mostly they are just
accurately commenting on the negative consequences of homosexuality.
Maybe you should get over your hate for them?
The negative consequences of homosexuality are identical to the
negative consequences of heterosexuality. Or did you forget that
women have rectums, and can have multiple partners? Grow the ***** up,
'phobe.
--
Joel Crump
Political correctness is not only gay, it's also retarded.
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