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06 May 2006 07:29:03 AM |
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Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
Tell us about it. Terrorized by little gray creatures with large black
eyes who whisk you away from your bedroom at night? Plagued by
poltergeists rattling the bookshelf and hurling pictures from the wall?
Haunted by the ghost of a loved one, say, or precognitive dreams that
turn suddenly real? Whatever the nature of your encounter with the
unknown, you may have been left physically drained or emotionally
scarred. Chances are, you've confided in no one, fearful friends and
relatives would consider you insane. So where do you turn?
Actually, you have some options. You might, for instance, place your
trust in someone who makes a business out of the unknown. You saw the
movie; you know the tune. Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters! If it's
psychic troubles you've had, you call a parapsychologist. And when it
comes to possessions and visions and such, there's always the minister,
rabbi, or parish priest. On the plus side, you can be fairly confident
these people will believe you. On the other hand, if your trouble is
even partially psychological, how much help would they be?
That's where mainstream psychologists and psychiatrists come in. If
you're hallucinating, they might have a treatment or cure. But don't
expect them to believe you. They'll dismiss your story as a raving
fantasy, and if you can't shake the episode, you may end up diagnosed
with schizophrenia and on anti-psychotic drugs.
Not what you had in mind? Then consider your third option: the new
breed of mental-health professional now contending that such other
worldly experiences are legitimate and commonplace among the sane.
That's not to say they accept the reality of alien abductors or
precognition or ghosts-though much to the horror of their colleagues,
a few of them have. But what many of these therapists have come to
believe over the past five years is that such experiences-regardless
of their cause-are common among normal, healthy people, and that
those who find themselves traumatized by such episodes are just as
deserving of psychological ministrations as those who suffer anxiety,
depression, or the trauma that follows a plane crash or a rape.
To signal the birth of this new discipline, some dedicated
professionals have even formed a group known as TREAT, for clinicians
and physical and behavioral scientists interested in the Treatment and
Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma. TREAT, which holds a
conference each spring, deals with everything from reports of UFO
abduction and precognition to near-death episodes, satanic possession,
and alleged contact with the dead. Another favorite TREAT area is
kundalini-often perceived as a burning, vibrating, or electrifying
sensation associated with meditation or any other heavy-duty spiritual
chore.
The rest is snipped due to boredom-
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| Title: Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 08:35:39 AM |
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On 6 May 2006 05:29:03 -0700, wrote:
Tell us about it. Terrorized by little gray creatures with large black
eyes who whisk you away from your bedroom at night? Plagued by
poltergeists rattling the bookshelf and hurling pictures from the wall?
Haunted by the ghost of a loved one, say, or precognitive dreams that
turn suddenly real? Whatever the nature of your encounter with the
unknown, you may have been left physically drained or emotionally
scarred. Chances are, you've confided in no one, fearful friends and
relatives would consider you insane. So where do you turn?
Actually, you have some options. You might, for instance, place your
trust in someone who makes a business out of the unknown. You saw the
movie; you know the tune. Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters! If it's
psychic troubles you've had, you call a parapsychologist. And when it
comes to possessions and visions and such, there's always the minister,
rabbi, or parish priest. On the plus side, you can be fairly confident
these people will believe you. On the other hand, if your trouble is
even partially psychological, how much help would they be?
That's where mainstream psychologists and psychiatrists come in. If
you're hallucinating, they might have a treatment or cure. But don't
expect them to believe you. They'll dismiss your story as a raving
fantasy, and if you can't shake the episode, you may end up diagnosed
with schizophrenia and on anti-psychotic drugs.
Not what you had in mind? Then consider your third option: the new
breed of mental-health professional now contending that such other
worldly experiences are legitimate and commonplace among the sane.
That's not to say they accept the reality of alien abductors or
precognition or ghosts-though much to the horror of their colleagues,
a few of them have. But what many of these therapists have come to
believe over the past five years is that such experiences-regardless
of their cause-are common among normal, healthy people, and that
those who find themselves traumatized by such episodes are just as
deserving of psychological ministrations as those who suffer anxiety,
depression, or the trauma that follows a plane crash or a rape.
To signal the birth of this new discipline, some dedicated
professionals have even formed a group known as TREAT, for clinicians
and physical and behavioral scientists interested in the Treatment and
Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma. TREAT, which holds a
conference each spring, deals with everything from reports of UFO
abduction and precognition to near-death episodes, satanic possession,
and alleged contact with the dead. Another favorite TREAT area is
kundalini-often perceived as a burning, vibrating, or electrifying
sensation associated with meditation or any other heavy-duty spiritual
chore.
The rest is snipped due to boredom-
Sounded like a super advanced Flagship1 effort.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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06 May 2006 12:13:19 PM |
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On 6 May 2006 05:29:03 -0700, wrote:
That's where mainstream psychologists and psychiatrists come in. If
you're hallucinating, they might have a treatment or cure.
The Cure(tm)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22depleted+uranium%22++%2Bbonds+with+DNA&btnG=Search
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| Title: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 12:25:04 PM |
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On 6 May 2006 05:29:03 -0700, wrote:
That's where mainstream psychologists and psychiatrists come in. If
you're hallucinating, they might have a treatment or cure.
The Cure(tm)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22depleted+uranium%22++%2Bbonds+with+DNA&btnG=Search
Who will be the advancing army for the New World Odor?
Mebbe we could give Dubya, Cheney, and Rummy a squirt gun and a hand
grenade.
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 12:42:36 PM |
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Depleted Uranium Fact Sheet
International Action Organization
3-4-5
1) Depleted Uranium is a radioactive heavy metal with a half life of 4.5
billion years. It is nuclear waste, created when natural uranium is enriched
to make nuclear weapons (at a ratio of 7 to 1). The US government uses DU as
penetrators. In bullets, missiles and bombs, it self sharpens as it
penetrates the target and burns upon impact (pyrophoric). (
http://www.umrc.net/whatIsDU.asp UMRC, 2001)
2) The Uranium Medical Research Centre (UMRC) warns that the name is
misleading as it is "depleted" only in the isotopes U234 and U235. These
isotopes constitute less that 1% of the total uranium which means both
"depleted" uranium and "natural" Uranium are over 99% composed of Uranium
238. In addition to this, DU contains U236, highly radioactive, man-made
particles resulting from the enrichment process. (
http://www.umrc.net/duBasics.asp UMRC, 1999)
3) As it decays, DU gives off Alpha, Beta and Gamma particles. It is
generally accepted that Alpha and Beta are not an external threat and can be
blocked by a sheet of paper. However, because of their pyrophoric nature, as
DU munitions strike, they transform into tiny ceramic aerosol particles.
This DU dust can travel great distances, and is easily resuspended in the
air becoming inhaled and ingested. ( http://www.umrc.net/duBasics.asp UMRC,
1999)
4) Once inside the body, there is no way to prevent the radioactive
properties of DU from creating hazardous ions or causing extensive damage to
bonds that hold molecules together, proteins, enzymes, cells, chromosomes,
DNA and RNA. ( http://www.umrc.net/duBasics.asp UMRC, 1999)
5) While most Depleted Uranium is excreted from the body, the small amounts
that remain are a constant source of low-level radiation that damage cell
structure. When this kind of damage takes place in reproductive organs it
leads to genetic mutations, which are passed on from generation to
generation. ( http://www.umrc.net/duBasics.asp UMRC, 1999)
6) Cells face even more damage due to the Second Event Theory of Radiation.
After cells have been hit one time with radiation, they enter a repair stage
and for 8-10 hours are more susceptible to damage from another dose. As DU
stays in the body indefinitely it constantly radiates cells in this delicate
stage of repair. ( http://www.llrc.org/du/duframes.htm Busby, 2000)
7) Pentagon officials estimate that 1,100*-2,200 tons of depleted uranium
were dropped by U.S.-led coalition forces during their attack on Iraq in
March and April 2003. This contrasts with about 375 tons used in the 1991
Gulf War, 11 tons fired during the 1999 war against Serbia over Kosovo and a
much smaller quantities used against rebel Serb positions in Bosnia in 1995.
( http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0615-01.htm Borst, 2003)
*1,100 metric tons of DU = 1,100,000,000 grams of DU = 7,931,000,000 rem/yr,
contaminating heavily populated cities like Baghdad and Basra (personal
communication). The US sets a limit of 5rem/year for external exposure to DU
and 50rem/year for deep dose (inhalation) exposure.
8) In 1993, Congress passed PL-103-160 Section271, ordering the DoD
(Department of Defense) to study the effects of inhaled and ingested DU (
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:HR02401:|TOM:/bss/d103query.html
Thomas Legislative Information on the Internet). In violation of the law,
the DoD has not funded a single study, instead focusing on embedded DU using
non-battlefield scenarios.
9) Cleanup crews at Lowry Air Force Base discovered two DU shells in 1999.
The shells and 1 acre of soil were collected and are now residing at a low
level radiation storage facility, so are the drums associated with that
removal. (
http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/release/1999/031899.html CDPHE, 1999, 30)
10) Are the cleanup crews at Lowry being overly cautious? Consider the
number of alpha particles emitted by a single spherical pellet of Uranium
Oxide (UO2) 0.0001 inch or 2.5 microns in diameter (equivalent to 1/40th the
width of a human hair) and the dose rate it produces (
http://www.ccnr.org/du_hague.html Bertell, 1999). [Uranium Oxide is created
when the DU penetrator burns into ceramic aerosol particles. Anything under
10 microns can be inhaled]
The 2.5 micron Depleted Uranium Oxide pellet contains 210 billion atoms (2.1
x 10 to the power of 11) of U238. Each year, the pellet will emit an average
32.3 alpha particles. It also contains U234, 235, 236 which together yield
an additional 5.3 alpha particles per year. Thus a single pellet of Depleted
UO2 will produce a total of 37.6 alpha particles per year.
The 37.6 alpha particles will deliver a radiation dose of 17 rads/year. With
an RBE (Relative Biological Effectiveness) factor of 10, the dose rate is
170 rem/year for the surrounding body tissue. Remember, the limit for deep
dose DU is 50 rem/year (personal communication.
Political violence is an act of force, intimidation or abuse by a group or
individual aimed at influencing, maintaining or seizing political power. The
time has come to end such illegitimate violence perpetrated by our own
United States government.
http://www.rense.com/general63/mme.htm
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 12:59:26 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 17:25:04 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On 6 May 2006 05:29:03 -0700, wrote:
That's where mainstream psychologists and psychiatrists come in. If
you're hallucinating, they might have a treatment or cure.
The Cure(tm)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22depleted+uranium%22++%2Bbonds+with+DNA&btnG=Search
Who will be the advancing army for the New World Odor?
Mebbe we could give Dubya, Cheney, and Rummy a squirt gun and a hand
grenade.
The US has been using DU rounds since 1973. According to you, every
single tanker should have died of radiation poisoning within a decade
or so.
So show me that facts. How do armored vehicle crewmembers compare to
the general population in terms of cancer rates and life expectancy?
Please cite peer-reviewed studies.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 01:53:31 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Please cite peer-reviewed studies.
www.doe.com
They're the ones who knew in advance what they were doing when they gave
themselves their own death sentence.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 01:58:49 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 18:53:31 GMT, www.peaceinspace.com <truth@r.us> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Please cite peer-reviewed studies.
www.doe.com
OOPS! *I FORGOT* Lockheed and Bechtel are a GOVERNMENT agency <SNARF>
my bad
www.doe.gov !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They're the ones who knew in advance what they were doing when they gave
themselves their own death sentence.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 03:13:53 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 18:58:49 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 18:53:31 GMT, www.peaceinspace.com <truth@r.us> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Please cite peer-reviewed studies.
www.doe.com
OOPS! *I FORGOT* Lockheed and Bechtel are a GOVERNMENT agency <SNARF>
my bad
www.doe.gov !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry, but pointing to a goverment agencies website is not citing
peer-reviewed studies.
According to you, the entire are from Basra south to Kuwait City
should have died off by 2001. After all, the 3rd Army and USMC used
tons of DU rounds in the 1991 Gulf War.
So why are there still people living and thriving there?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 04:18:34 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:13:53 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 18:58:49 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 18:53:31 GMT, www.peaceinspace.com <truth@r.us> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Please cite peer-reviewed studies.
www.doe.com
OOPS! *I FORGOT* Lockheed and Bechtel are a GOVERNMENT agency <SNARF>
my bad
www.doe.gov !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry, but pointing to a goverment agencies website is not citing
peer-reviewed studies.
Oh, I thought the US government employed scientists, my bad.
According to you, the entire are from Basra south to Kuwait City
should have died off by 2001. After all, the 3rd Army and USMC used
tons of DU rounds in the 1991 Gulf War.
So why are there still people living and thriving there?
They're not thriving.
You want baby pictures?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
07 May 2006 12:44:10 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 21:18:34 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:13:53 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
sorry, but pointing to a goverment agencies website is not citing
peer-reviewed studies.
Oh, I thought the US government employed scientists, my bad.
Pointing to the front page of the DOE is not refering to peer-reviewed
studies.
According to you, the entire are from Basra south to Kuwait City
should have died off by 2001. After all, the 3rd Army and USMC used
tons of DU rounds in the 1991 Gulf War.
So why are there still people living and thriving there?
They're not thriving.
They have a population growth rate twice that of the United States.
You want baby pictures?
Which would prove what? That birth defects occur? That happens in
the United States, moron. What are the rates of various birth
defects? How does it compare to the historical trends? Random
pictures of deformed children proves nothing, especially because it
would be impossible to prove that the pictures were taken in Iraq in
the last two years!
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
07 May 2006 12:47:50 PM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 17:44:10 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 21:18:34 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:13:53 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
sorry, but pointing to a goverment agencies website is not citing
peer-reviewed studies.
Oh, I thought the US government employed scientists, my bad.
Pointing to the front page of the DOE is not refering to peer-reviewed
studies.
Irrelevant
According to you, the entire are from Basra south to Kuwait City
should have died off by 2001. After all, the 3rd Army and USMC used
tons of DU rounds in the 1991 Gulf War.
So why are there still people living and thriving there?
They're not thriving.
They have a population growth rate twice that of the United States.
You want baby pictures?
Which would prove what? That birth defects occur? That happens in
the United States, moron. What are the rates of various birth
defects? How does it compare to the historical trends? Random
pictures of deformed children proves nothing, especially because it
would be impossible to prove that the pictures were taken in Iraq in
the last two years!
Irrelevant
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07 May 2006 03:24:47 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sun, 07 May 2006 17:47:50 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 07 May 2006 17:44:10 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Pointing to the front page of the DOE is not refering to peer-reviewed
studies.
Irrelevant
Why, because you say so? Your inability to provide even the slightest
bit of evidence for your bizarre claims is noted.
You want baby pictures?
Which would prove what? That birth defects occur? That happens in
the United States, moron. What are the rates of various birth
defects? How does it compare to the historical trends? Random
pictures of deformed children proves nothing, especially because it
would be impossible to prove that the pictures were taken in Iraq in
the last two years!
Irrelevant
Facts are irrelevant? I suppose to mouth-breathers like you they
are.. why bother with nasty little facts when you can instead make up
lies, use out of context photos, and hurl insults instead of backing
up your claims.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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07 May 2006 03:28:03 PM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 20:24:47 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Why, because you say so?
Nope, logic dictates. You're totally irrelevant.
The only thing which matters are the facts. Your opinion, beliefs, ego, etc
ad nauseum are irrelevant.
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
07 May 2006 05:47:17 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sun, 07 May 2006 20:28:03 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 07 May 2006 20:24:47 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Why, because you say so?
Nope, logic dictates. You're totally irrelevant.
The only thing which matters are the facts. Your opinion, beliefs, ego, etc
ad nauseum are irrelevant.
OK, how about some facts? What was the infant mortality rate in
Southern Iraq before and after the recent round of wars?
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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07 May 2006 07:17:45 PM |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 22:47:17 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
OK, how about some facts?
No one can give you facts, you have to find them for yourself and be able to
comprehend them. You can't do either.
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
07 May 2006 09:22:30 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Mon, 08 May 2006 00:17:45 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 07 May 2006 22:47:17 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
OK, how about some facts?
No one can give you facts, you have to find them for yourself and be able to
comprehend them. You can't do either.
Ibn other words, you can't. I presented you with facts about the
current birth rate in Iraq. Surely you can present some facts to
support your views.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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07 May 2006 10:32:24 PM |
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On Mon, 08 May 2006 02:22:30 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Mon, 08 May 2006 00:17:45 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sun, 07 May 2006 22:47:17 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
OK, how about some facts?
No one can give you facts, you have to find them for yourself and be able to
comprehend them. You can't do either.
Ibn other words, you can't. I presented you with facts about the
current birth rate in Iraq. Surely you can present some facts to
support your views.
Free cloo-> already done, and you're still asking.
You know what is said about repeating the same actions and expecting
different results, but getting the same results, doncha?
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06 May 2006 01:22:45 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The US has been using DU rounds since 1973.
In the past 4 years, Bechtel and Lockheed have deployed the equivalent of
450,000 Nagasaki bombs in radiation exposure on the world. There's nothing
known to science which can survive that much radiation dosage.
7) Pentagon officials estimate that 1,100*-2,200 tons of depleted uranium
were dropped by U.S.-led coalition forces during their attack on Iraq in
March and April 2003. This contrasts with about 375 tons used in the 1991
Gulf War, 11 tons fired during the 1999 war against Serbia over Kosovo and a
much smaller quantities used against rebel Serb positions in Bosnia in 1995.
( http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0615-01.htm Borst, 2003)
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06 May 2006 01:31:37 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 18:22:45 GMT, www.peaceinspace.com <truth@r.us> wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The US has been using DU rounds since 1973.
In the past 4 years, Bechtel and Lockheed have deployed the equivalent of
450,000 Nagasaki bombs in radiation exposure on the world. There's nothing
known to science which can survive that much radiation dosage.
7) Pentagon officials estimate that 1,100*-2,200 tons of depleted uranium
were dropped by U.S.-led coalition forces during their attack on Iraq in
March and April 2003. This contrasts with about 375 tons used in the 1991
Gulf War, 11 tons fired during the 1999 war against Serbia over Kosovo and a
much smaller quantities used against rebel Serb positions in Bosnia in 1995.
( http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0615-01.htm Borst, 2003)
*1,100 metric tons of DU = 1,100,000,000 grams of DU = 7,931,000,000 rem/yr,
contaminating heavily populated cities like Baghdad and Basra (personal
communication). The US sets a limit of 5rem/year for external exposure to DU
and 50rem/year for deep dose (inhalation) exposure.
No one who has spent more than 5 minutes in Iraq can expect to live more
than a few years given their exposure is millions of times more than the
lethal dose.
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 01:53:03 PM |
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Stork replied to:
No one who has spent more than 5 minutes in Iraq can expect to live more
than a few years given their exposure is millions of times more than the
lethal dose.
That's a bunch of made up nonsense. If that were the case, then
everyone in Iraq would be dead by now because the occupation is "a few
years old". The bottom line is that the danger of radioactive exposure
is vastly overstated by the left wing environmentalist cooks that would
have us all shivering in the winter rather than harm mother earth.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 01:55:34 PM |
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On 6 May 2006 11:53:03 -0700, wrote:
Stork replied to:
No one who has spent more than 5 minutes in Iraq can expect to live more
than a few years given their exposure is millions of times more than the
lethal dose.
That's a bunch of made up nonsense.
Really? The manufacturers of the depleted uranium munitions, aka Lockheed
and Bechtel, aka the DoE knew in advance they would be killing off all of
the US military and in the process ending their means for global domination.
No military, no conquest.
Now you explain how that's not completely suicidal.
If that were the case, then
everyone in Iraq would be dead by now because the occupation is "a few
years old". The bottom line is that the danger of radioactive exposure
is vastly overstated by the left wing environmentalist cooks that would
have us all shivering in the winter rather than harm mother earth.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 02:13:52 PM |
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On 6 May 2006 11:53:03 -0700, wrote:
Stork replied to:
No one who has spent more than 5 minutes in Iraq can expect to live more
than a few years given their exposure is millions of times more than the
lethal dose.
That's a bunch of made up nonsense. If that were the case, then
everyone in Iraq would be dead by now
Do you know how many normal live births are occurring in Iraq right now?
Answer-> Zero.
because the occupation is "a few
years old". The bottom line is that the danger of radioactive exposure
is vastly overstated by the left wing environmentalist cooks that would
have us all shivering in the winter rather than harm mother earth.
Mother earth is ready for a rest, from idiots like you who take life for
granted.
And further more, here's your heroes who think they're invincible, totally
intoxicated by their own 'power' to commit suicide.
Here is the 2005 Bechtel company report.
http://www.bechtel.com/GlobalReport/2005/2005Report.pdf
Here's a better one, they even to change their web site with a bullshido
warning after all of the publicity in these news groups.
http://www.nv.doe.gov/default.htm
This is what the main site (above) used to say before Bechtel/Lockheed
changed it:
About Bechtel Nevada
Two companies make up the Bechtel Nevada team;
Bechtel Nevada Corporation and Lockheed Martin Nevada Technologies,
Inc.
Bechtel Nevada manages operations at the Nevada Test Site and its related
facilities and laboratories. Besides the Department of Energy National
Nuclear Security Administration Nevada Site Office, Bechtel Nevada partners
with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Los Alamos National
Laboratory, and Sandia National Laboratories on many projects. Bechtel
Nevada also works on projects for other federal agencies such as the Defense
Threat Reduction Agency, NASA, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the
U.S. Air Force, Army, and Navy.
Bechtel Nevada is organized into four major Programs: Stockpile
Stewardship, Environmental Management, National Security Response, and
Counter Terrorism. Organizations interested in using the Nevada Test Site
for projects should contact the programs directly.
More than half of Bechtel Nevada's employees work in the Las Vegas area or
at the nearby Nevada Test Site. The company has satellite offices in
Livermore, California (Livermore Operations) and Los Alamos, New Mexico (Los
Alamos Operations) as well as the Special Technologies Laboratory in Santa
Barbara, California. Bechtel Nevada also operates the Remote Sensing
Laboratory in Nevada and its sister group located near Washington, D.C.
http://www.bechtelnevada.com/about.htm
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 02:27:27 PM |
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Stork replied to:
Answer-> Zero.
That's a laughable lie.
Mother earth is ready for a rest, from idiots like you who take life for granted.
Mother earth is a rock. Animals ***** on it.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 02:42:44 PM |
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On 6 May 2006 12:27:27 -0700, wrote:
Stork replied to:
Answer-> Zero.
That's a laughable lie.
http://rense.com/1.imagesH/STA70193.JPG
Mother earth is ready for a rest, from idiots like you who take life for granted.
Mother earth is a rock. Animals ***** on it.
Looks just like you did that too.
Of you're lucky a few billion years from now some hapless orphaned genetic
experiment will be burning you in their gas tank while nuking themselves to
death.
Not likely though. It's a safe bet the experiment's over.
Thank goodness!
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 03:19:07 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 19:13:52 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
Do you know how many normal live births are occurring in Iraq right now?
Answer-> Zero.
Lie.
The current birth rate is 32.5 births/1,000 population (2005 est.) As
a comparison, the US rate is 14.14 births/1,000 population (2005 est.)
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 04:23:11 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:19:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 19:13:52 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
Do you know how many normal live births are occurring in Iraq right now?
Answer-> Zero.
Lie.
Proof?
The current birth rate is 32.5 births/1,000 population (2005 est.) As
a comparison, the US rate is 14.14 births/1,000 population (2005 est.)
You want pictures?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
07 May 2006 12:41:22 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 21:23:11 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:19:07 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 19:13:52 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
Do you know how many normal live births are occurring in Iraq right now?
Answer-> Zero.
Lie.
Proof?
See the next line in my post, culled from UN sources.
The current birth rate is 32.5 births/1,000 population (2005 est.) As
a comparison, the US rate is 14.14 births/1,000 population (2005 est.)
You want pictures?
I can show you pictures of deformed babies in the US. Or in France.
Or compeltely normal, healthy babies born within 20 miles of
Chernobyl.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
06 May 2006 03:15:28 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May 2006 18:22:45 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The US has been using DU rounds since 1973.
In the past 4 years, Bechtel and Lockheed have deployed the equivalent of
450,000 Nagasaki bombs in radiation exposure on the world. There's nothing
known to science which can survive that much radiation dosage.
I suppose asking you to cite a peer-reviewed source for this is
pointless.
7) Pentagon officials estimate that 1,100*-2,200 tons of depleted uranium
were dropped by U.S.-led coalition forces during their attack on Iraq in
March and April 2003. This contrasts with about 375 tons used in the 1991
Gulf War, 11 tons fired during the 1999 war against Serbia over Kosovo and a
much smaller quantities used against rebel Serb positions in Bosnia in 1995.
( http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0615-01.htm Borst, 2003)
OK, show me the cancer rates in Iraq. According to you, everyone in
Baghdad shpuld be dead right now.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "H. Bosch" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
07 May 2006 02:41:39 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
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news:bs0q52h1vasck251m3tireg1n5uqkh0pk7@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and
www.peaceinspace.com
<truth@r.us> posting the following on Sat, 06 May
2006 18:22:45 GMT
iin alt.atheism?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:59:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The US has been using DU rounds since 1973.
In the past 4 years, Bechtel and Lockheed have
deployed the equivalent of
450,000 Nagasaki bombs in radiation exposure on the
world. There's nothing
known to science which can survive that much
radiation dosage.
OK ***** Face! Since 1965 I have been checking
background radiation and the average has not risen in
all that time. How do you explain this? No dip-*****
it is not the instrument as I use three different ones
as a check and they are calibrated semi-annually.
So explain why the background radiation average stays
constant?
H.
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| User: "www.peaceinspace.com" |
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| Title: Re: The Entire US Military Will Be Dead or Disabled Within 10 Years Re: Treatment and Research of Experienced Anomalous Trauma |
07 May 2006 02:45:23 PM |
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On Sun, 7 May 2006 12:41:39 -0700, "H. Bosch" <hbosch@charter.net> wrote:
So explain why the background radiation average stays
constant?
Are you hawking Geiger counters?
Get yours today on eBay!
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=Geiger+counter
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