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"Witziges Rätsel" |
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05 Oct 2006 11:43:14 AM |
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Trespasses |
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
06 Oct 2006 06:13:27 AM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:CCaVg.15$We.7@trndny08...
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
they understood that the loving, caring christian god was the one that
allowed the MURDERS to happen in the first place.
They admitted it was part of "god's plan" to committ MURDER
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
06 Oct 2006 08:16:22 AM |
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Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
they understood that the loving, caring christian god was the one that
allowed the MURDERS to happen in the first place.
They admitted it was part of "god's plan" to committ MURDER
There are no gods (I think you know that). The girls were murdered
by some guy who went crazy, regardless of what you or the Amish
believe motivated him. Forgiveness need not be an act only for
god-believers.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
05 Oct 2006 05:33:40 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:CCaVg.15$We.7@trndny08...
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
They can forgive anyone they want, just so long as the law does not.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
05 Oct 2006 12:21:08 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in news:CCaVg.15$We.7@trndny08:
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish
simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
Preaching and quoting the bible incessantly is much easier than
practicing what one preaches. Christianity, the religion of love, has
very little in it.
Pangur - nonchristian theist
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
09 Oct 2006 05:11:34 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:43:14 GMT, "Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
It would be nice, but they wouldn't get any profit$ from it.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
06 Oct 2006 01:08:02 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Witziges Rätsel (zer@roer.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
I think that is pure stupidity. So is turning the other cheek, loving thy
enemy, and giving double when losing a lawsuit. It makes a few people
clasp their hands to their cheeks and say "awwww", for whatever that's
worth.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
06 Oct 2006 07:59:25 AM |
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Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
I think that is pure stupidity. So is turning the other cheek, loving thy
enemy, and giving double when losing a lawsuit. It makes a few people
clasp their hands to their cheeks and say "awwww", for whatever that's
worth.
I'm certainly no Christian, I'm atheist, but I've seen forgiveness work
in practical ways. It can nip the chain of vengeance and contention which
has absurdly escalated so many times throughout history. Locally,
forgiveness can end uncomfortable relations between friends and neighbors
(e.g. ex-spouses), allowing everyone involved to "get on with their lives",
and I think that's worth a lot.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
09 Oct 2006 06:47:40 PM |
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"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:NqsVg.2482$Ze.1075@trndny06...
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
I think that is pure stupidity. So is turning the other cheek, loving
thy
enemy, and giving double when losing a lawsuit. It makes a few people
clasp their hands to their cheeks and say "awwww", for whatever that's
worth.
I'm certainly no Christian, I'm atheist, but I've seen forgiveness work
in practical ways. It can nip the chain of vengeance and contention which
has absurdly escalated so many times throughout history. Locally,
forgiveness can end uncomfortable relations between friends and neighbors
(e.g. ex-spouses), allowing everyone involved to "get on with their
lives",
and I think that's worth a lot.
He wasn't talking simple forgiveness, he was talking turning the other cheek
and loving thy enemy. That goes far beyond mere forgiveness.
Turning the other cheek is an invitation to further violence, whereas simple
forgiveness can be a wary avoidance that incites nothing.
Likewise, loving thy enemy is an invitation to be slaughtered in one's
sleep. Calling truce but keeping a suspicious eye on one's enemy is a more
practical approach.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
09 Oct 2006 05:14:10 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:59:25 GMT, "Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
I think that is pure stupidity. So is turning the other cheek, loving thy
enemy, and giving double when losing a lawsuit. It makes a few people
clasp their hands to their cheeks and say "awwww", for whatever that's
worth.
I'm certainly no Christian, I'm atheist, but I've seen forgiveness work
in practical ways. It can nip the chain of vengeance and contention which
has absurdly escalated so many times throughout history. Locally,
forgiveness can end uncomfortable relations between friends and neighbors
(e.g. ex-spouses), allowing everyone involved to "get on with their lives",
and I think that's worth a lot.
It is, and that's where I was coming from, too.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Davej" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
06 Oct 2006 12:33:31 PM |
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simp=
ly
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
I think that is pure stupidity. So is turning the other cheek, loving =
thy
enemy, and giving double when losing a lawsuit. It makes a few people
clasp their hands to their cheeks and say "awwww", for whatever that's
worth.
I'm certainly no Christian, I'm atheist, but I've seen forgiveness wo=
rk
in practical ways. It can nip the chain of vengeance and contention which
has absurdly escalated so many times throughout history. Locally,
forgiveness can end uncomfortable relations between friends and neighbors
(e.g. ex-spouses), allowing everyone involved to "get on with their lives=
",
and I think that's worth a lot.
Yes, but in this case did this announced "forgiveness" serve any
purpose? Did it help to keep the other Amish from running amok or
something? Forgiving a dead guy is pretty easy when you simultaneously
pretend your gawd is going to torture him forever.
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
06 Oct 2006 12:51:53 PM |
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I'm certainly no Christian, I'm atheist, but I've seen forgiveness
work
in practical ways. It can nip the chain of vengeance and contention which
has absurdly escalated so many times throughout history. Locally,
forgiveness can end uncomfortable relations between friends and neighbors
(e.g. ex-spouses), allowing everyone involved to "get on with their
lives",
and I think that's worth a lot.
Yes, but in this case did this announced "forgiveness" serve any
purpose?
I don't know. It's not a cure all.
Did it help to keep the other Amish from running amok or
something?
Possibly. It doesn't always affect anything.
Forgiving a dead guy is pretty easy when you simultaneously
pretend your gawd is going to torture him forever.
Forgiveness does not necessarily relate to anything else. You're
adding baggage.
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| User: "Davej" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
05 Oct 2006 12:24:05 PM |
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
Why? Do you like idiotic displays of moral grandstanding?
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Trespasses |
05 Oct 2006 04:39:27 PM |
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Following the horrible murders in the Amish school, the Amish simply
and immediately forgave the perpetrator. Wouldn't it be nice if such a
reaction was more commonplace in this country teeming with Christians?
Why? Do you like idiotic displays of moral grandstanding?
No, I don't. And I cannot imagine an Amish person doing
anything even remotely like grandstanding. They are usually
humble and rarely judge. I hope all the other Christians
take note.
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