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"P. A. Abeles" |
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09 Jan 2004 10:18:21 PM |
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Tribalism the evils |
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like circumcision or
pig eating.
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example is almost
unbelievable.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions, sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with the west
brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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| Title: Re: Tribalism the evils |
10 Jan 2004 01:35:18 AM |
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"P. A. Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:h2LLb.3671$Wa.570@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs
from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime
gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like circumcision or
pig eating.
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example is
almost
unbelievable.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions, sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with the
west
brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
An excellent point (not least because it agrees with my thinking!).
In my opinion tribalism is the last hurdle humans need to get over before
they can really evolve beyond their primate past. It's the root cause of
nearly all the suffering in the world.
Scientists who study primate behavior have identified a series of responses
that goes, 'see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the
stranger'. The same series of responses runs through human behavior from the
neighbourhood street to international policies. It's a heavy anchor and
needs to be shed by us all. Not good enough for some to have got past it;
the next step will wait for the last person to cross the hurdle. How's that
for mixing metaphors?
Malcolm
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| User: "The Enlightenment" |
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| Title: Re: Tribalism the evils |
10 Jan 2004 07:12:49 PM |
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"Malcolm" <ironwrkr@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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"P. A. Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with
gangs
from other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious
injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
There is an inherant territorialism in all creatures: my cat for
instance. Protecting your territory is an ESSENTIAL aspect of all
living creatures. That resource is absoultely needed to survive and
reproduce. Failing to protect and assert this essential resource is
assured destruction as others take them over.
Denying a group or individaul to be tribal is equivalent to destroying
them.
A tribe is a strong unit just like a family. There are obligations, a
responsiblity of mutual care that run between all members of that
tribe or society in both directions up and down and also across.
Those obligations of mutal care doesn't extend to being "ones brothers
keeper"
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of
supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs,
crime
gangs race gangs.
These are an example of the perversion of the territorial and group
instinct in the form of "Gangs".
Left wing idealogues (I include the tainted left wing science of
social anthropology in this) often attempt to dicredit 'tribes' or
'nationalism' by using the gang analogy.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis
of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another
tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both
basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like
circumcision or
pig eating.
Tribalism is simply an extension of the family and "nations". By
nation I generaly mean an ethnie nation (as in indian nations of the A
mericas) as opposed to the unfortunate conflation of the concept of "a
state" and "a nation". (Oaths of blood allegience were always a way
of tranfering into a nation in small numbers)
In the case of Canaanites and Hebrews the Hebrews accumulated and
generated myths to justify their genocide of Caananites based on the
"Wishes of God" or a common sense of (often if not mostly mythical)
persecution.
Did the Hebrews have a choice?
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example
is
almost unbelievable.
Africans not Eruopeans or Chinese.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions,
sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with
the
west brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
No we can not eliminate tribalism and to attempt to do so we can only
do through oppression.
We must work with beauty of the natural laws of nature not against
them.
Consider the case of communism which in some ways attempts to
introduce one big tribe. In doing so they have committed the worst
atrocities known to man. They have even attempted to eliminate
familial bonds as a logical extension of this. Finally as the
natural pull of familial and tribal love and loyalty is eliminated
they turn into a kind of double standard elitism and nepotism.
Most attempts at communism/socialism have actually been not really an
attempt to eliminate "tribalism" but have been an attempt to for a
disaffected tribal/ethnic or Diaspora group to gain additional
"rights".
Soviet Communism must be analyzed as an ethnic conflict rather than
one of 'class'.
In this case double standard ideological power was used to use 'class
struggle' as a method of hiding what was several ethnic groups with
resentments in order to universalize those resentments and gain
allegiances.
An excellent point (not least because it agrees with my thinking!).
In my opinion tribalism is the last hurdle humans need to get over
before
they can really evolve beyond their primate past. It's the root
cause of
nearly all the suffering in the world.
Pol Pot agreed with you.
As many Millions have been murdered by those denying human nature as
tribes fighting with other tribes.
Gangs are not tribes. Gangs are gangs.
Tribes are just extended families that share culture, race and
religion. There is nothing wrong with families. There is nothing
wrong with Tribes (though they are now) They are as ideal and as good
as it is ever going to get. Likewise there is nothing wrong with a
DEGREE of tribalism and nepotism. These 'primitive structures are
not bad because they are primitive. They are natural and they are
good.
Problems arise when one tribe takes over the land, resources of
another. For instance when Europeans conquered the Australian
Aborigines (a truly primitive and stone age culture) and the various
Indians of America.
Scientists who study primate behavior have identified a series of
responses
that goes, 'see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger,
kill the
stranger'.
Name one of these studies which aren't just mendacious left wing
groups trying to score political points. They stink. The recent
"racism detector" was really just the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law
Center) which is a borderline corrupt ethno-Marxist group.
http://www.vdare.com/letters/tl_120403.htm
(Ironically SPLC is strongly supported by Jewish people who are torn
between either strengthening their own tribalism or fighting tribalism
generally)
The same series of responses runs through human behavior from the
neighborhood street to international policies. It's a heavy anchor
and
needs to be shed by us all.
You should watch " a clockwork orange" to get an appreciation of the
horrors of what you are saying. Your way ends in the way of burning
of heretics through the denial of human nature. At least it ends in
jailing of dissidents.
Work with it not
We must learn to work with tribalism and ethnic interests rather than
against them. An ethnie has the right to self determination (unless
those claims are too extensive to make them fair and legitimate.)
Localism: Power of courts, police, services must be concentrated in
Locales where direct vote democracy can take place rather than a
Republic of distant unaccountable politicians 'representing us' in
distant bureaucracies in Canberra, Washington or Brussels.
Nationalism: to allow power to decentralize and reflect the undiluted
ethnic wishes of a group of people. All ethnies should have the right
to evolve and develop in their own unique way.
Not good enough for some to have got past it;
the next step will wait for the last person to cross the hurdle.
How's that
for mixing metaphors?
Malcolm
There is nothing wrong with 'tribalism', nepotism, nationalism if
legitimately applied. They are primitive, natural and beautiful.
Like all things they sometimes require compromise and sometimes the
wisdom of Solomon. (I.E. when Solomon adjudicating a divorce
rhetorically agreed to cut a child in half in order to share it)
All things can not be solved. They must be solved however to respect
the other guy.
White people of European background are detribalizing themselves
unilaterally. They will cease to exist and end up being replaced
simply by other tribes.
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| User: "JGB" |
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| Title: Re: Tribalism the evils |
10 Jan 2004 11:23:57 AM |
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"Malcolm" <ironwrkr@hotmail.comNOSPAM> wrote in message news:<WWNLb.840$De.511@edtnps84>...
"P. A. Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:h2LLb.3671$Wa.570@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs
from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime
gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other.<
Different tribes are really different "breeds" just as canines evolved
or were bred into different breeds to serve different needs. Each
breed of dog was specialized for something, and having a broad
selection is very nice.
How boring it would be just to have a single breed. However, some
breeds
get along better than others when mixed in groups. Some are loners,
and
some run in packs. Some are small, and some are large, and some are
aggressive
and some more passive. The idea that there can be no peace until we
are all
reintegrated into a single, uniform breed is a dangerous one. Which
breed
is the "master breed" that all others have to adapt to , or become
like?
The real evolution should be in our controlling our negative instincts
and
need to hate those who seem different and strange. Being open to
learning
about each other, and learning to appreciate both the commonalities
and
the differences is part of the human experience that we ought to learn
to
cherish.
The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like circumcision or
pig eating.<
Irish Protestants and Catholics have done a good job going at it
against each
other as well. And even where there are no ethnic or religious
differences,
men will create differences, such as class differences anyway. New
differences
will be created as fast as we do away with other. Looks, money, skin
color,
fat, age, health, hair, anything and everything can and will be used
as a
reason or excuse to differentiate ourselves from the "other" and to
live in
different neighborhoods amongst "our own." Whether "our own" is based
on
ethnicity, religion, age, class, wealth, looks, gender, marital
status, whatever. Discrimination is an inherent trait in all species,
but we have the
intelligence to rise above it, or not. That is our personal decision
to make.
But we can't force others to be as we would like them to be. THat's
why there
are clans, groups, tribes, nations and neighborhoods. The true
"hurdle" is
to get over our own instincts to discriminate and baseless hatreds.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
An excellent point (not least because it agrees with my thinking!).
In my opinion tribalism is the last hurdle humans need to get over before
they can really evolve beyond their primate past. It's the root cause of
nearly all the suffering in the world.
Scientists who study primate behavior have identified a series of responses
that goes, 'see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the
stranger'. The same series of responses runs through human behavior from the
neighbourhood street to international policies. It's a heavy anchor and
needs to be shed by us all. Not good enough for some to have got past it;
the next step will wait for the last person to cross the hurdle. How's that
for mixing metaphors?
Malcolm
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| User: "amigocabal" |
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10 Jan 2004 09:00:36 PM |
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In case of jews it is a need to attack in packs, like dogs do. Evident in
these NG's
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| User: "Tom Aldrich" |
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10 Jan 2004 03:27:16 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"P. A. Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:h2LLb.3671$Wa.570@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs
from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime
gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like circumcision or
pig eating.
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example is
almost
unbelievable.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions, sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with the
west
brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
An excellent point (not least because it agrees with my thinking!).
In my opinion tribalism is the last hurdle humans need to get over before
they can really evolve beyond their primate past. It's the root cause of
nearly all the suffering in the world.
Scientists who study primate behavior have identified a series of responses
that goes, 'see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the
stranger'. The same series of responses runs through human behavior from the
neighbourhood street to international policies. It's a heavy anchor and
needs to be shed by us all. Not good enough for some to have got past it;
the next step will wait for the last person to cross the hurdle. How's that
for mixing metaphors?
Malcolm
Not that I disagree, but at what price do we achieve this at.
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| User: "Harvey" |
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10 Jan 2004 11:01:53 AM |
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"Tom Aldrich" <TomAlrich@usenetserver.com> wrote in message
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Malcolm wrote:
"P. A. Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:h2LLb.3671$Wa.570@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs
from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We
even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of
supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime
gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe
of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically
the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like
circumcision or
pig eating.
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example is
almost
unbelievable.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions,
sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with the
west
brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
An excellent point (not least because it agrees with my thinking!).
In my opinion tribalism is the last hurdle humans need to get over
before
they can really evolve beyond their primate past. It's the root cause of
nearly all the suffering in the world.
Scientists who study primate behavior have identified a series of
responses
that goes, 'see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill
the
stranger'. The same series of responses runs through human behavior from
the
neighbourhood street to international policies. It's a heavy anchor and
needs to be shed by us all. Not good enough for some to have got past
it;
the next step will wait for the last person to cross the hurdle. How's
that
for mixing metaphors?
Malcolm
Not that I disagree, but at what price do we achieve this at.
I was thinking about this the other day. A friend of mine sent some email
complaining about the American primary system. It occurred to me that we now
have the technological capability in the US to become a pure democracy
rather than a republic, doing away with primaries... indeed, doing away with
much of government altogether, a notion that appeals to me. But doing so
would be a mistake. Having a majority vote on every issue supplant decisions
by chosen leaders would be chaotic, as even the most wise among us cannot be
familiar with every issue, and in a pure democracy the vote of the wise and
the foolish carry equal weight. Recall that 50% of humanity by definition
has an IQ of less than 100... not to confuse wisdom with intelligence, but
there is some correlation.
If you buy that, then tribalism makes some sense on a basic level.
Nationalism is tribalism writ large. It would seem that the only way to
eliminate the unfortunate effects of nationalism would be to have a central
representative world government. We obviously are not ready for this. One
could point to the UN as an attempt... a very poor one. If the UN were to
restrict membership strictly to representative governments that upheld a set
of basic human rights, we might have the beginnings of a reasonable attempt.
Harvey
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| User: "Iskandar Baharuddin" |
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10 Jan 2004 03:48:51 PM |
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"Harvey" <researchermd@netscape.net> wrote in message
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snip
I was thinking about this the other day. A friend of mine sent some email
complaining about the American primary system.
Will you kindly share his/her criticism with us? IMHO the primary system is
one of the most desirable features of the US system.
Or was your friend complaining solely about the Presidential primary system,
which does present a few problems.
Regards,
Izzy
snip
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| User: "Kermit" |
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10 Jan 2004 07:56:18 AM |
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Tom Aldrich wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
"P. A. Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:h2LLb.3671$Wa.570@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs
from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime
gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like circumcision or
pig eating.
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example is
almost
unbelievable.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions, sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with the
west
brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
An excellent point (not least because it agrees with my thinking!).
In my opinion tribalism is the last hurdle humans need to get over before
they can really evolve beyond their primate past. It's the root cause of
nearly all the suffering in the world.
Scientists who study primate behavior have identified a series of responses
that goes, 'see the stranger, fear the stranger, hate the stranger, kill the
stranger'. The same series of responses runs through human behavior from the
neighbourhood street to international policies. It's a heavy anchor and
needs to be shed by us all. Not good enough for some to have got past it;
the next step will wait for the last person to cross the hurdle. How's that
for mixing metaphors?
Malcolm
Not that I disagree, but at what price do we achieve this at.
We might have to sacrifice football...
Oooh, wait, that's not a sacrifice.
Is there anyone else here bored and mystified by sports fanaticism? I
wonder if sports fans are predisposed to tribalism, or if they are more
civilized by nature, and sublimate their instincts into less violent
expressions?
(Heh. As a martial artist, it can be argued that my involvement in the
arts is more violent than those who merely watch football. But as a
geek, I just can't get excited over team rivalry. Social misfit, or
rugged individualist?)
Actually, I suspect that this tribalism is inescapable by humans
(especially males) until we are rewired by genetic engineering. But
there are ways around its common and unfortunate results. Sports is one.
another is one's "gut understanding" of the tribe. How do you percieve
yourself: as a Crip? As a Green Bay Packers (American football team (I
think)) fan? As a Republican? As a tree hugger?
How about:
Us vs. Them = Civlized vs. Savage?
I "feel" like I have more in common with a Limey humanist than I do with
many of my Yankee Western neighbors. The "others" are not an identical
teen gang with different colors but those who are anti-scientific, or
anti-democratic.
I don't know what happens if we achive victory, and we're all humanists.
Look for a new enemy? What happens with primitive/violent tribes when
they achive genocide? Do they look for enemies within?
--
Kermit
Remove _your_inhibitions_ to reply.
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| User: "flange" |
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10 Jan 2004 01:49:28 AM |
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"P. A. Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:h2LLb.3671$Wa.570@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs
from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime
gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like circumcision or
pig eating.
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example is
almost
unbelievable.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions, sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with the
west
brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
Now just say the answer to your question is "yes".
Now tell how this can be achieved.
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| User: "Patricia Heil" |
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10 Jan 2004 04:22:20 PM |
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No because there would still be assholes like you around.
"P. A. Abeles" wrote:
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
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| User: "P A Abeles" |
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11 Jan 2004 03:54:55 AM |
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"Patricia Heil" <pjayheil@erols.com> wrote in message
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No because there would still be assholes like you around.
Sticks and stones..............................
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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11 Jan 2004 04:28:39 PM |
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"P A Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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"Patricia Heil" <pjayheil@erols.com> wrote in message
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No because there would still be assholes like you around.
Sticks and stones..............................
If you weren't, you wouldn't have to change your name to avoid killfiles.
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| User: "P A Abeles" |
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11 Jan 2004 11:32:08 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"P A Abeles" <nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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"Patricia Heil" <pjayheil@erols.com> wrote in message
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No because there would still be assholes like you around.
Sticks and stones..............................
If you weren't, you wouldn't have to change your name to avoid killfiles.
I hate censorship.
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| User: "amigocabal" |
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10 Jan 2004 08:58:50 PM |
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"Patricia Heil" <pjayheil@erols.com> wrote in message
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No because there would still be assholes like you around.
There is a need to circumcize such as Patricia, AT THEIR TRAP!
"P. A. Abeles" wrote:
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for
tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
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| User: "Kate " |
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09 Jan 2004 11:15:32 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:18:21 GMT, "P. A. Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> wrote:
As a kid growing up in inner Sydney I still remember fights with gangs from
other suburbs. Some of these fights resulted in serious injuries. We even
had fights between Rockers and Surfies.
In the UK we have soccer hooligans fighting other groups of supporters.
In most western nations we have gang wars, between bikie gangs, crime gangs,
race gangs.
Even the most primitive peoples have used tribalism as the basis of
slaughtering each other. The ancient Hebrews were just another tribe of
Canaanites, who slaughter other Canaanites. They were both basically the
same race of people separated by some beliefs systems like circumcision or
pig eating.
Some of the horrors committed between tribes in Africa for example is almost
unbelievable.
Of course we have wars between religions and within religions, sectarian
violence.
Now of course is the war between Jews and Muslims over Israel with the west
brought into the fight.
Now the question is, if we can eliminate the basic need of man for tribalism
can we eliminate a lot of hate and violence.
Supposedly that's what sports games were set up for - to bleed off the
competitism desire and to safely allow young bucks an outlet.
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| Title: Re: Tribalism the evils |
11 Jan 2004 08:14:54 PM |
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On 9 Jan 2004 23:15:32 -0600, (Kate ) posted to
alt.atheism:
Supposedly that's what sports games were set up for - to bleed off the
competitism desire and to safely allow young bucks an outlet.
It's not the young bucks who declare war. They only die in them.
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"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
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