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"St. Jackanapes" |
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06 Dec 2007 02:45:02 PM |
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Trippy Jesus Christ |
I think I know why the founding Christian figure of Jesus thought that
he was talking with Satan and God - He was on some sort of
hallucinogenic compound. I'm not sure what type of hallucinogenic plants
grow in the middle east are of Judea back 2000 years ago, but I'm pretty
sure that Jesus was full of it - in more ways than one! If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs. They were all in a purple
haze trying to divine the secrets of the Gods. If George Bush would be
doing more of this sort of thing instead of locking himself away in some
closet for a secret booze bender, he would have know that the Iranians
had quit trying to make a nuke away back in 2003, fer christ' sake! He
needs to wear a purple jogging suit or something similar, to let the
world know that he's hep with what is going on in the world of secret
dimensions. Let them know that nothing will get past old Georgie while
he's communing with the God/s. Purple meant power, and purple is what
you see a lot of when tripping!
Attached you'll find an excellent image of the Jesus of Christ floating
in a Purple Haze of his own making. Craazy, man, craaaa-zieeee! Jesus is
*the* Acid King! All hail the King of LSD!
--
St. Jackanapes
http://jackanapes.ws.ws
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07 Dec 2007 02:12:23 AM |
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=?Windows-1252?B?U3BlbmNlciCpv6ms?= asked Santa for...
"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:
I think I know why the founding Christian figure of Jesus thought that
he was talking with Satan and God - He was on some sort of
hallucinogenic compound. I'm not sure what type of hallucinogenic plants
grow in the middle east are of Judea back 2000 years ago, but I'm pretty
sure that Jesus was full of it - in more ways than one! If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs. They were all in a purple
haze trying to divine the secrets of the Gods. If George Bush would be
doing more of this sort of thing instead of locking himself away in some
closet for a secret booze bender, he would have know that the Iranians
had quit trying to make a nuke away back in 2003, fer christ' sake! He
needs to wear a purple jogging suit or something similar, to let the
world know that he's hep with what is going on in the world of secret
dimensions. Let them know that nothing will get past old Georgie while
he's communing with the God/s. Purple meant power, and purple is what
you see a lot of when tripping!
Attached you'll find an excellent image of the Jesus of Christ floating
in a Purple Haze of his own making. Craazy, man, craaaa-zieeee! Jesus is
*the* Acid King! All hail the King of LSD!
Nonsense!
Watch The Life of Brian for a true picture of what it was like in those times.
Life's a wake, live it or crickit, and on the bunk of our
breadwinning lies the cropse of our seedfather.
A phrase which the establisher of the world might pretinately
write across the chestfront of any manorwomban born. --James Joyce.
With my mouth I've written many a thing across the chestfront of many
womban in my time. Some beauties, most not. Fortunately when I became a
seedfather I was able to renege on my successful seedling and get it
back from the dark-hole from whence I cast it months earlier. The
miracle of God's science?
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St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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"The most annoying atheists are on alt.flame.jesus.christ!"
-- John Vogel, a most annoying Christian.
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| User: "marika" |
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09 Dec 2007 09:11:45 AM |
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"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c2ca659a6d629c98968b@news.alt.net...
With my mouth I've written many a thing across the chestfront of many
womban in my time.
7:06 Saturday night
call friend to see if Pat Storm has risen from the deaad.
sighing breath of relief
read rest of post
you sir are no Pat Storm
mk5000
In The Cool Twilight Of An Ultimatum
If you remember her ultimatum
it was...
"IT'S EITHER THAT DAMN POETRY OF YOURS OR ME!!!"
So I weighed up all the alternatives,
remembering of course,
I preferred to keep both.
And seeing my name and work
in the small press
does give me a charge...
But so do her kisses
and curling up in that soft flesh
is like the Olympic games of heaven.
So I told her
she was my decision.
And as we made love
I secretly wrote two poems
on her bare flesh.
-Pat Storm
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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12 Dec 2007 04:04:54 AM |
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marika asked Santa for...
"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c2ca659a6d629c98968b@news.alt.net...
With my mouth I've written many a thing across the chestfront of many
womban in my time.
7:06 Saturday night
call friend to see if Pat Storm has risen from the deaad.
sighing breath of relief
read rest of post
you sir are no Pat Storm
No, and I'm no Larry Jackowski either, thank you.
mk5000
In The Cool Twilight Of An Ultimatum
If you remember her ultimatum
it was...
"IT'S EITHER THAT DAMN POETRY OF YOURS OR ME!!!"
So I weighed up all the alternatives,
remembering of course,
I preferred to keep both.
And seeing my name and work
in the small press
does give me a charge...
But so do her kisses
and curling up in that soft flesh
is like the Olympic games of heaven.
So I told her
she was my decision.
And as we made love
I secretly wrote two poems
on her bare flesh.
-Pat Storm
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St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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- USENET KOOKS: http://jackanapes.ws/kooks.html -
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"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous
as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
-- St. Robert Bellarmine
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| User: "Ghod" |
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06 Dec 2007 03:30:14 PM |
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"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
......booooooooooring.
Don't bore Ghod, boy.
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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07 Dec 2007 02:06:24 AM |
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Ghod asked Santa for...
"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c2295bf680dc07989684@news.alt.net...
[snip]
.....booooooooooring.
At least I woke your sorry ***** up, Ghod. The way you run the Universe
the Big Crunch could happen and you wouldn't even know it.
Don't bore Ghod, boy.
Why not? You bore me. What's that stupid saying that fat ugly girls were
always saying in the late 80's? What goes around comes around?
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St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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"The most annoying atheists are on alt.flame.jesus.christ!"
-- John Vogel, a most annoying Christian.
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| User: "marika" |
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06 Dec 2007 03:51:24 PM |
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"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c2295bf680dc07989684@news.alt.net...
If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
one that was in a lot of pain
so he was probably chewing a lotta poppy too
or maybe just only
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs.
in case you don't get this - it's from the TV show V, it was a passing fad
mk5000
"But it is not cumpulsory that they testify to your benefit. That part is
up to you and your legal counsel to assure."--virgil
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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12 Dec 2007 04:08:55 AM |
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marika asked Santa for...
"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c2295bf680dc07989684@news.alt.net...
If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
one that was in a lot of pain
so he was probably chewing a lotta poppy too
or maybe just only
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs.
in case you don't get this - it's from the TV show V, it was a passing fad
Egad. I remember that. Lizards invading Earth. First the "V" stood for
Visitors and later on when humans rebelled they changed the "V" to mean
Victory. I hope I'm not showing my age? The big event was when a
human/lizard had a baby. Ho-hum.
--
St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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- USENET KOOKS: http://jackanapes.ws/kooks.html -
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"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous
as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
-- St. Robert Bellarmine
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| User: "marika" |
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12 Dec 2007 08:45:46 PM |
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"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c97d42d2022a719896ae@news.alt.net...
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs.
in case you don't get this - it's from the TV show V, it was a passing
fad
Egad. I remember that. Lizards invading Earth. First the "V" stood for
Visitors and later on when humans rebelled they changed the "V" to mean
Victory. I hope I'm not showing my age? The big event was when a
human/lizard had a baby. Ho-hum.
I thought it meant violet
lizards already look old because of the wrinkles.
mk5000
""
In one quick motion, Peter closes his spread fingers into a fist and pulls,
spinning around throwing his arm out towards the street. Even with the
distance between them, Sylar can see his teeth bared, the fierce look of
concentration on his features. The loading bay doors heave, groan, and
buckle in the space of a few breaths, flying out and over Peter's head with
a tortured, metallic scream. The twisted, broken remains of what used to be
the doors land on the fence with an ear-splitting crash, taking down the
security gate with them. Suddenly, alarms are blaring, emergency lights
flashing, and Peter is stalking towards the newly-created hole in Primatech,
alternately cloaked in shadow and bathed in ruby-red
light."--http://community.livejournal.com/heroes_slash/541555.html
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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14 Dec 2007 12:37:14 AM |
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marika asked Santa for...
"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c97d42d2022a719896ae@news.alt.net...
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs.
in case you don't get this - it's from the TV show V, it was a passing
fad
Egad. I remember that. Lizards invading Earth. First the "V" stood for
Visitors and later on when humans rebelled they changed the "V" to mean
Victory. I hope I'm not showing my age? The big event was when a
human/lizard had a baby. Ho-hum.
I thought it meant violet
It could have meant Vapid, as in the story line.
lizards already look old because of the wrinkles.
They must have looked sexy to someone. Unless the lizard raped her. They
are cold blooded.
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St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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- USENET KOOKS: http://jackanapes.ws/kooks.html -
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"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous
as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
-- St. Robert Bellarmine
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06 Dec 2007 04:24:27 PM |
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On Dec 6, 4:51 pm, "marika" <marika5...@mail.com> wrote:
"St. Jackanapes" <larry_jackow...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c2295bf680dc07989684@news.alt.net...
If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
one that was in a lot of pain
so he was probably chewing a lotta poppy too
or maybe just only
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs.
in case you don't get this - it's from the TV show V, it was a passing fad
There is always these guys as an alternative...
http://www.psychedelicrepublicans.com/
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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07 Dec 2007 12:20:27 AM |
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On Dec 6, 3:45 pm, St. Jackanapes <larry_jackow...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think I know why the founding Christian figure of Jesus thought that
he was talking with Satan and God - He was on some sort of
hallucinogenic compound. I'm not sure what type of hallucinogenic plants
grow in the middle east are of Judea back 2000 years ago, but I'm pretty
sure that Jesus was full of it - in more ways than one! If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
Purple haze: There's more than one reason that the top dogs of the
ancient world preferred to wear purple togs. They were all in a purple
haze trying to divine the secrets of the Gods. If George Bush would be
doing more of this sort of thing instead of locking himself away in some
closet for a secret booze bender, he would have know that the Iranians
had quit trying to make a nuke away back in 2003, fer christ' sake! He
needs to wear a purple jogging suit or something similar, to let the
world know that he's hep with what is going on in the world of secret
dimensions. Let them know that nothing will get past old Georgie while
he's communing with the God/s. Purple meant power, and purple is what
you see a lot of when tripping!
Attached you'll find an excellent image of the Jesus of Christ floating
in a Purple Haze of his own making. Craazy, man, craaaa-zieeee! Jesus is
*the* Acid King! All hail the King of LSD!
It happened a LOT. There's GOOD reason grain and bread
figured so heavily in the old book. Exodus is probably
a many times retold account of mass ergot poisoning.
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| User: "pj" |
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15 Dec 2007 07:44:18 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:45:02 -0500, St. Jackanapes
<larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think I know why the founding Christian figure of Jesus thought that
he was talking with Satan and God - He was on some sort of
hallucinogenic compound. I'm not sure what type of hallucinogenic plants
grow in the middle east are of Judea back 2000 years ago, but I'm pretty
sure that Jesus was full of it - in more ways than one! If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
If the stories are actually true, there's no need to invoke some
substance to explain his experiences - religious acetics have had
techniques for inducing altered states for a very long time. Not
eating for example.
pj
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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15 Dec 2007 11:23:56 AM |
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pj asked Santa for...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:45:02 -0500, St. Jackanapes
<larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think I know why the founding Christian figure of Jesus thought that
he was talking with Satan and God - He was on some sort of
hallucinogenic compound. I'm not sure what type of hallucinogenic plants
grow in the middle east are of Judea back 2000 years ago, but I'm pretty
sure that Jesus was full of it - in more ways than one! If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
If the stories are actually true, there's no need to invoke some
substance to explain his experiences - religious acetics have had
techniques for inducing altered states for a very long time. Not
eating for example.
I tried that. Didn't work.
--
St. Jackanapes
http://www.jackanapes.ws
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- USENET KOOKS: http://jackanapes.ws/kooks.html -
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"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous
as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
-- St. Robert Bellarmine
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| User: "pj" |
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15 Dec 2007 03:57:44 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:23:56 -0500, St. Jackanapes
<larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote:
pj asked Santa for...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:45:02 -0500, St. Jackanapes
<larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think I know why the founding Christian figure of Jesus thought that
he was talking with Satan and God - He was on some sort of
hallucinogenic compound. I'm not sure what type of hallucinogenic plants
grow in the middle east are of Judea back 2000 years ago, but I'm pretty
sure that Jesus was full of it - in more ways than one! If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
If the stories are actually true, there's no need to invoke some
substance to explain his experiences - religious acetics have had
techniques for inducing altered states for a very long time. Not
eating for example.
I tried that. Didn't work.
So? My mum tried installing an ADSL router and it didn't work. Fact
is, there's a huge and ancient body of literature of people describing
mystical and strange stages of mind. Just because it didn't work for
you doesn't mean it didn't work for others.
A lot of people, including psychedelic users, think that there's
something superior about the states achieved through non-drug means.
William James in "Varieties of Religious Experience", suggested, and
other experiments (e.g. comparing descriptions of mystical states from
non-drug experiences and those from psychedelics, or the famous Good
Friday experiment) suggest that they are actually very similar.
I don't know - I've tried various kinds of meditation, but haven't
found it particularly useful. I've experienced things on psychedelics
which compare very well with descriptions of mystical experiences.
Terrence McKenna said he thought meditation was useful in inducing
these states, but that psychedelics were a faster and more reliable
route to the same destination.
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
pj
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| User: "Spencer Spindrift" |
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15 Dec 2007 09:16:17 PM |
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pj wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:23:56 -0500, St. Jackanapes
<larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote:
pj asked Santa for...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:45:02 -0500, St. Jackanapes
<larry_jackowski@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think I know why the founding Christian figure of Jesus thought that
he was talking with Satan and God - He was on some sort of
hallucinogenic compound. I'm not sure what type of hallucinogenic plants
grow in the middle east are of Judea back 2000 years ago, but I'm pretty
sure that Jesus was full of it - in more ways than one! If there were no
mushroom or cacti, marijuana or hashish to be had, I think that the guy
who had the balls to claim that he was the King of All Jews had to have
been on a super-high of Lysergic acid diethylamide. Why else the
grandiose claims and also the talking with other dimensions and
realities. He must have been an Ergot Eater!
If the stories are actually true, there's no need to invoke some
substance to explain his experiences - religious acetics have had
techniques for inducing altered states for a very long time. Not
eating for example.
I tried that. Didn't work.
So? My mum tried installing an ADSL router and it didn't work. Fact
is, there's a huge and ancient body of literature of people describing
mystical and strange stages of mind. Just because it didn't work for
you doesn't mean it didn't work for others.
A lot of people, including psychedelic users, think that there's
something superior about the states achieved through non-drug means.
William James in "Varieties of Religious Experience", suggested, and
other experiments (e.g. comparing descriptions of mystical states from
non-drug experiences and those from psychedelics, or the famous Good
Friday experiment) suggest that they are actually very similar.
I don't know - I've tried various kinds of meditation, but haven't
found it particularly useful. I've experienced things on psychedelics
which compare very well with descriptions of mystical experiences.
Terrence McKenna said he thought meditation was useful in inducing
these states, but that psychedelics were a faster and more reliable
route to the same destination.
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
Saul/Paul probably had some form of epilepsy, probably temporal lobe,
He perverted the teachings of Yeshua to create a fake Xtianity in many
ways opposite to the original.
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16 Dec 2007 05:59:03 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:16:17 +0000, Spencer Spindrift
<qsx1@supanet.com> wrote:
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
Saul/Paul probably had some form of epilepsy, probably temporal lobe,
As I said, he probably has a mystical experience, that didn't involve
drugs. At least one anyway - on the road to Damascus (perhaps others -
or perhaps the other references (being caught up to the seventh
heaven) were to the same event). Some have speculated that his vision
was caused by epilepsy. They might be right. They might not. There
isn't an awful lot of evidence to go on, and there are people who have
such experience without suffering from epilepsy.
He perverted the teachings of Yeshua to create a fake Xtianity in many
ways opposite to the original.
There's not a whole lot to suggest that he knew much about the
teaching of Jesus. He almost never refers to the life or words of
Jesus, and his letters were written years before the gospels. I don't
think he created a fake christianity - he created christianity. Jesus
didn't (although he is a central figure in it's teachings).
To say he perverted the teachings is a bit strong too - he was a Jew,
and he had an intense mystical experience in which Jesus was a central
figure - the rest of his teachings developed from this situation, and
from the need to adapt and make decisions in new situations (e.g. the
rise of hellenistic christianity lead to tough questions about whether
non-jews who believed in Jesus had to essentially become jews -
circumcision, obeying the jewish law etc.). He improvised, and
developed the teaching. It wasn't just him - this went on intensely
for hundreds of years (e.g. the doctrine of the Trinity which wasn't
forumulated for a very long time afterwards), and hasn't really ever
stopped.
Paul's often represented as a bad guy - but that's mainly because a
lot of people don't like christianity and he was a key figure. A
christianity based solely on Jesus teachings in the gospels wouldn't
really work (although the Jehovah's Witnesses try hard), becase Jesus
was a apocalyptic teacher who thought the world was about to end, and
because his teachings were directed to people who had a religious and
cultural background (the various messianic and apocalyptic
developments from about 300BC onwards) which, because they weren't
incorporated into the Biblical cannon - most modern day people simply
can't understand.
Paul's also given bad press for the idea of original sin, which is, I
think, present in his teaching. The idea (abstracted and put in more
modern terms) that we are not really in control of what we do - that
we are not rational creatures who make rational judgements, always
provokes strong reactions. Nietzsche taught, in a different way, the
same thing, as did Freud. Both produce a viceral hatred in those
(especially on the left) who think we are wonderfully rational little
beasts.
pj
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Trippy Jesus Christ |
16 Dec 2007 06:01:52 PM |
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On Dec 16, 6:59 am, pj <p...@psychedelicjones.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:16:17 +0000, Spencer Spindrift
<q...@supanet.com> wrote:
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
Saul/Paul probably had some form of epilepsy, probably temporal lobe,
As I said, he probably has a mystical experience, that didn't involve
drugs.
I just saw part of a documentary on TV that was about a man much like
Saul of Tarsus. He was a small-town salesman from Saskatchewan by the
name of Philip Kives whose masterful ability to work a crowd and sell
worthless crap to virtually anyone turned him from a mediocre salesman
into a multi-millionaire. He could just do it. He was that good at
getting the message out and getting people to believe it. He was an
amazing talent. But Kives and the company he founded (K-tel) are still
rank amateurs compared to the cash cow Saul of Tarsus created. Kives
never had the chance to get the kind of government sponsorship Saul's
company did which is why they ended up in bankruptcy and only now is
beginning the road to recovery.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Trippy Jesus Christ |
16 Dec 2007 06:17:53 PM |
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On Dec 16, 7:01 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Dec 16, 6:59 am, pj <p...@psychedelicjones.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:16:17 +0000, Spencer Spindrift
<q...@supanet.com> wrote:
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
Saul/Paul probably had some form of epilepsy, probably temporal lobe,
As I said, he probably has a mystical experience, that didn't involve
drugs.
I just saw part of a documentary on TV that was about a man much like
Saul of Tarsus. He was a small-town salesman from Saskatchewan by the
name of Philip Kives whose masterful ability to work a crowd and sell
worthless crap to virtually anyone turned him from a mediocre salesman
into a multi-millionaire. He could just do it. He was that good at
getting the message out and getting people to believe it. He was an
amazing talent. But Kives and the company he founded (K-tel) are still
rank amateurs compared to the cash cow Saul of Tarsus created. Kives
never had the chance to get the kind of government sponsorship Saul's
company did which is why they ended up in bankruptcy and only now is
beginning the road to recovery.
That's at once frightening and horrifying, considering K-Tel never
lost a
penny on those gawdawful "Sound Effects" cover albums from back in
the early 1970s.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Trippy Jesus Christ |
16 Dec 2007 06:13:21 PM |
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On Dec 16, 6:59 am, pj <p...@psychedelicjones.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:16:17 +0000, Spencer Spindrift
<q...@supanet.com> wrote:
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
Saul/Paul probably had some form of epilepsy, probably temporal lobe,
As I said, he probably has a mystical experience, that didn't involve
drugs. At least one anyway - on the road to Damascus (perhaps others -
or perhaps the other references (being caught up to the seventh
heaven) were to the same event). Some have speculated that his vision
was caused by epilepsy. They might be right. They might not. There
isn't an awful lot of evidence to go on, and there are people who have
such experience without suffering from epilepsy.
If you think it *might* have been caused by epilepsy, it probably
*was*.
Go to an emergency room. Immediately.
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| User: "Spencer Spindrift" |
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| Title: Re: Trippy Jesus Christ |
16 Dec 2007 07:56:17 AM |
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pj wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:16:17 +0000, Spencer Spindrift
<qsx1@supanet.com> wrote:
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
Saul/Paul probably had some form of epilepsy, probably temporal lobe,
As I said, he probably has a mystical experience, that didn't involve
drugs. At least one anyway - on the road to Damascus (perhaps others -
or perhaps the other references (being caught up to the seventh
heaven) were to the same event). Some have speculated that his vision
was caused by epilepsy. They might be right. They might not. There
isn't an awful lot of evidence to go on, and there are people who have
such experience without suffering from epilepsy.
He perverted the teachings of Yeshua to create a fake Xtianity in many
ways opposite to the original.
There's not a whole lot to suggest that he knew much about the
teaching of Jesus. He almost never refers to the life or words of
Jesus, and his letters were written years before the gospels. I don't
think he created a fake christianity - he created christianity. Jesus
didn't (although he is a central figure in it's teachings).
To say he perverted the teachings is a bit strong too - he was a Jew,
Paul was a Jew? I thought he was a Roman.
Jesus was a Jew and a Zionist who wanted to liberate the Jewish land
from Roman occupation and reform Judaism. He was working for a secret
sect, maybe The Essenes to achieve these ends by faking the fulfillment
of messianic prophecy. There are two books which tell the real story.
The Passover Plot and the Penticost Revolution.
The potential for Religious/mystical experiences seems to be innate.
This does not validate them as evolution will not select out a random
trait if it does not interfere with differential reproduction.
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| User: "pj" |
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| Title: Re: Trippy Jesus Christ |
16 Dec 2007 03:55:10 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:56:17 +0000, Spencer Spindrift
<qsx1@supanet.com> wrote:
pj wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:16:17 +0000, Spencer Spindrift
<qsx1@supanet.com> wrote:
My view on Jesus, for what it's worth, is that he did have mystical
experiences, but that they didn't involve drugs. I think the same
could be said for St. Paul.
Saul/Paul probably had some form of epilepsy, probably temporal lobe,
As I said, he probably has a mystical experience, that didn't involve
drugs. At least one anyway - on the road to Damascus (perhaps others -
or perhaps the other references (being caught up to the seventh
heaven) were to the same event). Some have speculated that his vision
was caused by epilepsy. They might be right. They might not. There
isn't an awful lot of evidence to go on, and there are people who have
such experience without suffering from epilepsy.
He perverted the teachings of Yeshua to create a fake Xtianity in many
ways opposite to the original.
There's not a whole lot to suggest that he knew much about the
teaching of Jesus. He almost never refers to the life or words of
Jesus, and his letters were written years before the gospels. I don't
think he created a fake christianity - he created christianity. Jesus
didn't (although he is a central figure in it's teachings).
To say he perverted the teachings is a bit strong too - he was a Jew,
Paul was a Jew? I thought he was a Roman.
Erm, he was a Jew with Roman citizenship. Like being a muslim with
British citizenship (or indeed, a Jew with British citizenship)
Jesus was a Jew and a Zionist who wanted to liberate the Jewish land
from Roman occupation and reform Judaism.
To call anyone from that period a "Zionist" is meaningless and
anachronistic.
To claim that Jesus wanted to liberate Israel from the Roman
occupation is to speculate based on very little evidence indeed -
there are explicit quotes where he appears to deny this, and there is
nothing to suggest that he did want to start a rebellion. If he did,
then perhaps he would have behaved more like those who were in fact
trying to achieve that (who's actions & fates are recorded fairly
well).
Did he want to reform Judaism? Well, Judaism was a pretty mixed bag at
the time. He was closest in his beliefs to the Pharisees, although he
did differ in his teachings.
He was working for a secret
sect, maybe The Essenes to achieve these ends by faking the fulfillment
of messianic prophecy.
Utter bollocks. You can always tell when the story is about to enter
real fantasy land, because the Essenes are invoked. The Essenes happen
to be well known because of where they were located - their records
(the Dead Sea Scrolls) were preserved - unusual in Israel where there
are very few contemporary written records which have survived. It's as
if our civilisation has collapsed, and all that survived was a book
about art history and the entire records of the womens' institute. All
the cranks would assume tha the womens' insitute was more important
than it really was - and anything odd in the art history book would be
explained by a reference to the minutes of a WI meeting.
There are two books which tell the real story.
I know people who think the Bible tells the real story. My own view is
that the Bible is not infallible, and, what's more, I extend this to
any other book - so the idea that a particular pair of books tell the
"real story", isn't one I find immediately appealing.
The Passover Plot and the Penticost Revolution.
I'm not familiar with these works, but I'm intrinsically suspicious of
anyone writing lots of popular books in this field, but very few
scholarly articles / books (i.e. ones which are subject to peer
review). A visit to any local library in the UK will easily confirm
this - look at the religious / biblical section and you'll find
shelves full of books making sensational claims, and very few books
indeed written by acknowledged Biblical scholars. This can of course,
be explained by a conspiracy theory - all of the academic scholars are
in a plot to conceal the truth - but in fact, universities are packed
with academics who's views are very divergent, but who at least
subject their work to the criticism of their peers, and who have a
decent grasp of the basic research that has been done in the field -
as opposed to the books by retired, evangelical, american engineers (I
think there were three different ones in my library when I last
looked) who claim to have found Noah's Ark.
The potential for Religious/mystical experiences seems to be innate.
This does not validate them as evolution will not select out a random
trait if it does not interfere with differential reproduction.
I'm not sure how that is relevant - it was suggested that Jesus was
using some psychoactive, and I pointed out that this was not necessary
to explain any visions he might have had, because there are a great
many documented cases of people having visions without taking
psychoactives.
pj
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