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Religions > Atheism |
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"quibbler" |
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16 May 2004 05:34:14 PM |
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Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
I watched the new movie _Troy_ the other day and I liked the fact that
the movie puts a somewhat anti-religious spin on the Iliad. I've
noticed that many reviews of the movie are somewhat tepid and/or tend to
childishly carp and whine about things like the fact that the movie is
almost 3 hours long, or that it doesn't have the formulaic Hollywood
happy ending. However, I can't help thinking that, at least
psychologically, some movie critics also don't like the anti-religious
implications of the show. That may be why they aren't giving it rave
reviews.
Some examples of the anti-religious messages of the movie include
statements by Achilles (Brad Pitt) and Hector (Eric Bana) wherein they
both voice dripping sarcasm about the notion that the god Apollo will
intervene in the war. Most notably, in the case of Hector, when he is
told by the high priest that Apollo will give them victory he asks, "How
many soldiers does Apollo command?" (or something similar). Likewise,
Achilles desecrates the temple of Apollo and then keeps daring the sun
god to come down and do something about it. Now, it's been a while
since I read much of the Iliad, so I can't be positive, but I suspect
that this kind of impiety is exaggerated by the movie. Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to being
impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
So I'd encourage other atheists to see the movie and let me know what
you think. If anyone has already seen it then tell me if your
impressions matched what I'm describing.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
18 May 2004 05:46:07 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:10:44 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 17:13:03 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
Which God would you worship?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God. He is the only one.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
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| User: "Alex" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
19 May 2004 06:42:27 AM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:46:07 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:10:44 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 17:13:03 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek mythology and the truths of
Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
Which God would you worship?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God. He is the only one.
duke
Why the hell are you talking about a piece of wood in answer to a
simple question "which god would you pray to if you lived back in the
times of the Trojan war"?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
19 May 2004 05:25:55 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:42:27 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God. He is the only one.
duke
Why the hell are you talking about a piece of wood in answer to a
simple question "which god would you pray to if you lived back in the
times of the Trojan war"?
I told you above - almighty God. atheists pray to wood.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Alex" |
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20 May 2004 07:05:58 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 17:25:55 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 07:42:27 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God. He is the only one.
duke
Why the hell are you talking about a piece of wood in answer to a
simple question "which god would you pray to if you lived back in the
times of the Trojan war"?
I told you above - almighty God. atheists pray to wood.
***WHICH*** god? The Christian God wasn't worshipped back then, so
which god would you pray to?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 May 2004 06:29:08 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:10:44 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 17:13:03 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
Which God would you worship?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God. He is the only one.
It's Cthulhu, I tell ya! I win!
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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17 May 2004 09:50:24 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
That's because the piece of wood actually exists.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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18 May 2004 05:45:20 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:50:24 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
That's because the piece of wood actually exists.
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Jez" |
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19 May 2004 05:31:08 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ge4la0tk352s7hsh8ole8g8nsb55mf9f9q@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:50:24 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
That's because the piece of wood actually exists.
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Who but a Christian would pray to a piece of wood...with a guy nailed to it
????
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "duke" |
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19 May 2004 05:25:01 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:31:08 +0100, "Jez" <iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Who but a Christian would pray to a piece of wood...with a guy nailed to it
????
Now you're getting warmer - Christians don't pray to a piece of wood. Atheists do that.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Jez" |
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20 May 2004 04:03:12 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8knna0pejrutd5i3sh6dpfmf2escv7kl6n@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:31:08 +0100, "Jez"
<iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Who but a Christian would pray to a piece of wood...with a guy nailed to
it
????
Now you're getting warmer - Christians don't pray to a piece of wood.
Atheists do that.
Atheist don't even bother to pray Dukie.
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Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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19 May 2004 10:48:21 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:31:08 +0100, "Jez"
<iced_spear@AwaySPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Who but a Christian would pray to a piece of wood...with a guy nailed
to it ????
Now you're getting warmer - Christians don't pray to a piece of wood.
Atheists do that.
Atheists pray?
<cups hands over mouth>
OK, who prayed? Come on guys, fess up!
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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19 May 2004 11:29:50 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Jez:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ge4la0tk352s7hsh8ole8g8nsb55mf9f9q@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:50:24 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com>
wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
That's because the piece of wood actually exists.
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Who but a Christian would pray to a piece of wood...with a guy nailed to
it ????
A wooden guy at that. Maybe instead of Jebus they should have called him
"Woody".
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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18 May 2004 06:28:22 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:50:24 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
That's because the piece of wood actually exists.
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Don't need to. The wood exists.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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19 May 2004 05:23:54 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 23:28:22 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:50:24 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
That's because the piece of wood actually exists.
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Don't need to. The wood exists.
And the wood is all those thousands of gods you claim exist.
Almighty God is not wood.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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20 May 2004 12:54:59 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 23:28:22 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:50:24 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 20:12:52 -0400, Alex <a@b.c> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
If you were born back in those times, which god would you pray to?
Not a piece of wood. The answer is almighty God.
That's because the piece of wood actually exists.
Who but an atheist would pray to a piece of wood?
Don't need to. The wood exists.
And the wood is all those thousands of gods you claim exist.
Almighty God is not wood.
Agreed. The wood exists. The god does not.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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16 May 2004 11:15:57 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
Why would one confused atheist be different from another confused
atheist?
Boy, you are just a bundle of worthless ad-hom attacks, aren't you duke?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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17 May 2004 05:15:02 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 04:15:57 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
Why would one confused atheist be different from another confused
atheist?
Boy, you are just a bundle of worthless ad-hom attacks, aren't you duke?
Well, it unquestionably obvious you can't support your beliefs. One atheist just says no,
all atheists just say no. One confused to the other confused.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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17 May 2004 09:17:45 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 04:15:57 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
Why would one confused atheist be different from another confused
atheist?
Boy, you are just a bundle of worthless ad-hom attacks, aren't you
duke?
Well, it unquestionably obvious you can't support your beliefs. One
atheist just says no, all atheists just say no. One confused to the
other confused.
I win, I say.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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18 May 2004 08:06:47 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:17:45 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
I win, I say.
Only in your wildest dream.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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18 May 2004 10:39:27 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:17:45 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
I win, I say.
Only in your wildest dream.
Cool! Then I win!
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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17 May 2004 12:40:16 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94EBD87FFEA94vicman@63.240.76.16>...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
Why would one confused atheist be different from another confused
atheist?
Boy, you are just a bundle of worthless ad-hom attacks, aren't you duke?
Methinks duke doth protest too much. Why else would he hang out in a
newsgroup for people diametrically opposed to his weltanschauung? He
secretly finds atheism and the arguments for it compelling; but he's a
chickenshit who must wrap himself in Christian dogma to drown out his
mental shouts of terror.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
Chief Wrangler and Ramrod Emeritus
(and Professor of Feline Thermometrics)
EAC Equine Transportation Command/Carne Seca Division
in the Prefecture of Baja, Arizona
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17 May 2004 05:21:28 PM |
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On 17 May 2004 10:40:16 -0700, (Brenda Nelson) wrote:
Boy, you are just a bundle of worthless ad-hom attacks, aren't you duke?
Methinks duke doth protest too much. Why else would he hang out in a
newsgroup for people diametrically opposed to his weltanschauung?
Easy, you are confused and clearly don't understand what drives your profession. So I
stand ready to assist you. After all, it's great for the salvation of your soul, which I
feel sure you do not wish to continue on your current path of spiritual suicide.
He secretly finds atheism and the arguments for it compelling; but he's a
chickenshit who must wrap himself in Christian dogma to drown out his
mental shouts of terror.
Except that I can win, and you can only lose. Just why would I be the one with mental
shouts of terror?
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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17 May 2004 09:11:22 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On 17 May 2004 10:40:16 -0700, (Brenda Nelson)
wrote:
Boy, you are just a bundle of worthless ad-hom attacks, aren't you
duke?
Methinks duke doth protest too much. Why else would he hang out in a
newsgroup for people diametrically opposed to his weltanschauung?
Easy, you are confused and clearly don't understand what drives your
profession. So I stand ready to assist you. After all, it's great
for the salvation of your soul, which I feel sure you do not wish to
continue on your current path of spiritual suicide.
He secretly finds atheism and the arguments for it compelling; but
he's a chickenshit who must wrap himself in Christian dogma to drown
out his mental shouts of terror.
Except that I can win, and you can only lose. Just why would I be the
one with mental shouts of terror?
No, no, no. I win.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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17 May 2004 01:06:14 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Brenda Nelson:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:<Xns94EBD87FFEA94vicman@63.240.76.16>...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
Why would one confused atheist be different from another confused
atheist?
Boy, you are just a bundle of worthless ad-hom attacks, aren't you
duke?
Methinks duke doth protest too much. Why else would he hang out in a
newsgroup for people diametrically opposed to his weltanschauung? He
secretly finds atheism and the arguments for it compelling; but he's a
chickenshit who must wrap himself in Christian dogma to drown out his
mental shouts of terror.
Heh - and then insist it's not dogma.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
17 May 2004 05:22:14 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 13:06:14 -0500, (Vic Sagerquist) wrote:
Heh - and then insist it's not dogma.
And I can do that because I know what dogma is and you don't, by your own demonstration.
duke
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John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
17 May 2004 09:10:55 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Mon, 17 May 2004 13:06:14 -0500, (Vic
Sagerquist) wrote:
Heh - and then insist it's not dogma.
And I can do that because I know what dogma is and you don't, by your
own demonstration.
Duke, your mistake here is your refusal to understand that gods are a
belief, not reality.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
18 May 2004 05:53:30 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:10:55 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
And I can do that because I know what dogma is and you don't, by your
own demonstration.
Duke, your mistake here is your refusal to understand that gods are a
belief, not reality.
vic, your mistake here is your refusal to understand that God is a reality, not an
unfounded belief.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
18 May 2004 06:26:42 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:10:55 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
And I can do that because I know what dogma is and you don't, by
your own demonstration.
Duke, your mistake here is your refusal to understand that gods are a
belief, not reality.
vic, your mistake here is your refusal to understand that God is a
reality, not an unfounded belief.
Nope. If the god was real, there would be evidence. Instead, all you
will ever have is faith.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Big Bucket" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
17 May 2004 08:56:00 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:l8ufa051ei2frnue6gij0kqjarteeckdg4@4ax.com:
On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:34:14 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Still, it's nice
to see it, because at least some audience members should realize that
it's only a small leap from being impious about the Greek gods, to
being impious and skeptical about the Judeo/Xian version(s).
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
Good old duke. Still unable to demonstrate that difference, yet dishonestly
acts as if he is.
Some things *are* constant. Apologists are pretty much the same through
history.
So I'd encourage other atheists to see the movie and let me know what
you think. If anyone has already seen it then tell me if your
impressions matched what I'm describing.
Why would one confused atheist be different from another confused
atheist?
One may have taken a course in Abnormal Psychology and be able to give us
some insight on religious lunacy.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Troy movie advances religious skepticism |
17 May 2004 05:18:02 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 13:56:00 GMT, Big Bucket <bucket@home.com> wrote:
Good old quib. Still can't tell the difference between Greek
mythology and the truths of Judeo/Christian faiths.
Good old duke. Still unable to demonstrate that difference, yet dishonestly
acts as if he is.
But I clearly have. My guy walked after being dead for 3 days.
Some things *are* constant. Apologists are pretty much the same through
history.
Heads and shoulders above the atheists, who are beyond evidence for their own beliefs.
One may have taken a course in Abnormal Psychology and be able to give us
some insight on religious lunacy.
Ok, now why is it lunacy? Can you offer a suggestion? The whole world awaits your
answer, Mr. big bucket Expert. I trust you will stand ready to discuss your findings and
debate them with me on this ng.
duke
*****
John 6
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless
you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his
blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my
flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day.
*****
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